Amazing Duncan🤩All the years I,ve been doing it, and I cant believe its even simpler🤯Every days a school day👊The video showing how I cut and fix this handrail and newels is out VERY soon👍Thanks again for your great comment and for watching😎Cheers Del

That’s what I came to say 👍

@@temporarynoble Cheers Kevin👍

So if there was 19 spindles would you divide by 20 ? How do you know many spindles there are sorry to sound naive

@@jordis_journey-9981 you would divide distance by 100mm + width of spindle as that’s max spacing allowed. Round up to whole number of spindles, then follow Del’s explanation.

Hi there🖐You comment is very kind and thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del

Hi Terry🖐Another great suggestion bud, and certainly another way to skin the cat😜Sharing stuff on KZfaq is awesome👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

@Terry davies, simples!!👍👍

Hi Bob🖐I'm really lucky to have some awesome contributors in my comments sections, and they always make good reading👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Gary🖐The firm I served my time on was exactly the same, and it definitely sticks with you👊Great comment, and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Hi Gilesfone 🖐 Appreciate your comment, and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Thats a nice thing to say Michael🤗Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Hi Mohammed🖐You're spot on with your comment bud, its a cool part of the job having to figure things out and get your brain working👊Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del

It's all about sharing what we've learnt Christopher👍Thanks for your comment 🤩 Cheers Del

Hi there🖐That's cool and the reason I'm making videos👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Thats great to hear Kevin👊Cheers Del

Cheers Trevor😎Thanks for watching🤩

Hi James🤣Nice one🤩Cheers Del

Hi Dermot🖐 Are you saying from experience that 8 spindles per meter is about right and a good starting point to go from🤔If so, then you're technique is superior as you can find a baseline number of spindles straight away just by measuring the run and applying your 8 spindles per meter formular👍I like it as I'd never though to actually check back on a finshed run and see how many spindles there actually was per meter😵‍💫 Thanks for adding it into these comments😎Cheers Del

Hi Del , no I go 9 spindles per meter ,it works for me , it gets me moving 2m span 18 spindles, I clump them together to get a true overall measurement then follow my maths procedure , I can plus or add a spindle or two to home in on my desired spacer size , the face width of the spindle is key . It works the same on the stair rake , A horizontal line between newels , same procedure will give you the length of the raking spacer . Many wouldn’t look at it twice let alone calculate it ! In the van and gone with the £’s and onto the next one while we are still looking for the masking tape 😁. You need some decent knee pads my friend , As the paddy’s used to say to me “ we are still waiting for the first man to beat Mother Nature “ 👍

Hi John🖐Yes bud, the glue is super strong, and leaving out pinning it, saves work for the decorator👊I know its awful, but I don't watch or listen to any news anymore as its virtually impossible to work out who's not twisting it one way or the other😬Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del

Hi Dan🖐I think that mortice and tenon working straight of the saw give the same kind of feeling as when a hip drops in perfect, first time😎You're right about mitre mate, and some guys use it foe everything😲Thanks for watching bud🤗Cheers Del

Hi Paddy🖐Not all calculators apps do it, but I find it really handy for gauging things out👊 Anyway, I learnt something today also, and that is that there is an app for working out spindle spacings rendering my video obsolete😜I hope there's not an app for cutting mortice and tenons, or my next video will be a waste of time as well😆Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Thanks for watching Dan😎Cheers Del

Hi Jimmy🖐I'm glad you could follow it bud👍and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Liam🖐I do exactly the sane at the end of the run bud, and they are great tips👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Barry🖐Thanks, as always, for watching bud🤩Cheers Del

Hi Kevin🖐Great to hear how you do it bud, and, you're right, that you need to accommodate turned spindles when setting out thier spacings👊Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del

Gauging it out Paul, just helps you keep on track👍I went oldschool on the handrail joints and cut mortice and tenons🤘(video coming soon😉) Cheers Del

Hi Steve🖐Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Gary🖐Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi there🖐You're quite right and we all have our different ways😉I also use a rod, but more when I do the stair flight spindles, as like you also, you need to keep an eye on the spaces 'creeping'👊Thanks for watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del

I had another look at your math. That's clever..there is a stair guy. I had his book. He sets out his Strings exactly like this. He increments on the tape marking the point of the treads to negate error. I'll try this out 🤓

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Hi Paul🖐Yeah, the gauging out just helps keep you on track👊Thanks for watching and keep you eye out for the next video 🤩Cheers Del

I pin the fillet pieces top and bottom, two 18Ga brads in each plus pva. The spindles get pva and two brads top and bottom as well. I have my eye on a 21Ga pinner from Senco, it leaves a tiny hole, 🔨🇮🇪

Hi Mark🖐Ultimately bud, it's all about how it looks at the end of the day, and usually, if it looks right it's alright👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

@@thetallcarpenter would you say the “let your eye be your guide” is a good principle to work to?, do sometimes obsessing over the mm even though it’s barely visible and not necessarily noticeable a waste of time?, will their always be that slight imperfection in one’s work but as long as it looks right?

@@charlierodgers2776 Ultimately Charlie, most people can only tell a jobs not right just by looking at it, so yes, to a degree, something can, technically be wrong, but actually look right in the context of the job as a whole👍Cheers Del

Hi Luke🖐 Good tip, and i know a few guys that do exactly the same🤘Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del

Hi Alan🖐I really appreciate your comment bud🤩and the channel would be nothing without guys like you watching👊Cheers Del 😎

Hi JRS🖐I really had my head turned about PVA glue a many years ago by a chap who worked in a stair manufacturer. He showed me how quickly he could start working on glued parts, and how impossible it was to split glued work once it had cured👊 (yes, Dan does have an obscene amount of clamps😆) Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Dave🖐You're so right bud, and that's the beauty of meeting/talking to other carpenters. You can be doing something the same way for years, then someone shows you a different way which is better, quicker and easier👊I really enjoy fitting stairs, and the more complex the better as it really gets your brain working🤓Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Truus 🖐 A jig is definitely a good move on repetitive tasks👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Hi Joe🖐Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Thanks for watching Jordan😎Cheers Del

Thanks for watching Slashley🤩Cheers Del

See how you get on Bob, although, I've since found out that there are apps to do this now😆Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Mark🖐It works a treat bud, but you want to take it off the next day, or it can become welded on if left on too long😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Thanks for watching Ian😎 Cheers Del

Thanks for watching Jordis😎Cheers Del

Glad you stuck with it Garviel👊Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del

@@thetallcarpenter I realized it was a fine detail. Well worth it

Thanks for watching Vianka 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Paul🖐Its cool that we've all got slightly different ways of doing this kind of thing, and I've learnt 3 now different ways of doing it, but all we need is an app nowadays, which I've only just found out there is plenty of to do these calculations🤯Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del

@@thetallcarpenter ohhh aye... nowt worse than when ya see spindles with odd gaps or hard up to a newell post. simple maths gets ya there though. sometimes the last couple of fillets need a bit of a trim but ya can get it nigh enough how we all seem to do this job

@@stantheman7467 aye same sort of craic isn’t it

@@stantheman7467 To be fair, you do need to find how many spaces to divide it by in the first place, which is where part of my method comes in👍(all pointless anyway, as the app does it all for us now😬) Cheers

Hi Elliot🖐In this instance I would guage, as you have, to the widest measurement between the newels and keep the spindles upright. You can't do anything about the newels, and it's better that its just them.out of plumb rather than some of your spindles👍Cheers Del

Hi Kevin🖐Your calculation works a treat👊Cheers Del

@@thetallcarpenter It’s the method I was taught back in the 80’s so I can’t take credit 😄 … great content by the way, love your work 👍

@@67spoon I can't remember what I was taught Kevin😮and the method I use helps me find out how many spindles and spaces there are to start with👍Thanks for your comments bud🤩Cheers

That’s how I have always done it … length - spindles then decide remainder by spindle qty+1 gap .. I

Hi Arthur🖐There is a few simpler ways, but I use this way as it works the same for raking spindles👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Great comment Gazza🤩and thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Diarmuid🖐Yes, the base rail and handrail were both level, so all the spindles were the same length👍I haven't fitted a set of stairs for a couple of years, which is odd, as I'm a bit of a stair specialist🤔I'll definitely do a series of videos when I next fit some stairs covering raking handrails and spindles👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Took the words right out of my Mouth. Great vid as always got to agree a video showing how you do your hands rails would be good

@@darrenbethell3171 Hi Darren🖐The video of me cutting and fitting this landing handrail is coming VERY shortly👍Cheers Del

@@thetallcarpenter nice one Del cheers for the speedy reply keep up the great work 👍

Hi Harpreet🖐Took me ages to get my head around too bud😮Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

Hi there🖐I didn't know that, and I'm not surprised😜Thanks for your comment, and for watching😎Cheers Del

App is called staircase mojo mate

@@dalemoore11 I'll check it out👍Cheers

Dale gotta be worth 89p of anyones dosh that pal. Cheers for the heads up👍

Hi Stefan🖐Yes, it's exactly the same, the trick there is how you project the inside line of the bottom newel up enough to be able to take the measurements🤔and I normally just clamp a 6 foot level on the newel to do this👍Cheers Del

@@thetallcarpenter so as it's an incline the spacer would be longer to allow for the angle. And the spindle width would be taken from the angled cut at the top or bottom of the spindle which would be longer than the actual width?.

@@Stefsax Sorry Stefan, I wasnt 100% clear in my first reply😬I first find the HORIZONTAL distance between the lower and upper newels, and divide that as per the video👍I then cut a spindle the appropriate length, (with the stair pitch angle cut on each end), to fit in between the string cap and the handrail groove and make sure it is plumb. I then move this spindle away from the newel until the space matches that of the calculation, but HORIZONTALLY. I then cut the stair pitch on one end of a piece of spindle spacer and put the cut end against the newel, (this can be rested up the side of the spindle and not in the groove), and then mark the spindle spacer up the side of the spindle. This then gives you your spacer length which you can use to set a stop up on the mitre saw to repeat cut a load. I still mark out all the spacings and spindles on a rod and keep checking every few spindles, HORIZONTALLY, and adjust the spacer length if needed👍Hope this makes more sense, and I,m going to try and cover this in a video soon👊Cheers

Hi Philip🖐Yeah, the cool thing about sharing these videos is that it gives viewers the opportunity to say how they do things, giving me and anyone else a chance to learn something👊(even it is just using an app instead of doing it mathematically) Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Hi Wayne🤘Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del

Hi there🖐The thickness of the spacers will be relative to the depth of the groove that the spindles fit into👍Personally, I prefer to have the spacers sitting a few mm proud of the groove👊Good luck🤞Cheers Del

Hi Paul🖐Exactly the same way, but you need to clamp a straight edge/level up the side of the lower newel so you can get the 'run' measurement. Once you have this measurement, you can cut a spindle to the right length, and put it the calculated distance from the newel, and then direct mark a the stair pitch spacer from this👍Hope this makes sense🤞Cheers Del

@@thetallcarpenter thank you

Hi Aaron🖐I've had a few comments now about apps for this, and I kinda feel like a right dinosaur, and also that this video is, basically, redundant😆There's an app for everything nowadays🤯Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

@@thetallcarpenter I used to do the maths but always end up been a bigger or smaller gap the app dead easy put in the width and you have different opdion to add more spindles or less for a bigger gap just used it today on a decking job saves a lot time al send ya the link to one I use it’s so easy to use

@@aaronbell8527 There is quite a few apps for this and I got a message through IG from a chap that developed his own which blew my mind how cool it was🤯Its called Even-Spacer

@@thetallcarpenter av been trying to send the link of the one a use but keeps disappearing😂

@@aaronbell8527 KZfaq is weird about posting links to things in the comment section sometimes🤔Sometimes it even deletes my own replies to comments🤯

Hi Terry🖐As a carreer carpenter, I guess I/we should all appreciate Japanese carpentry, but like you, its something thats never really got my juices flowing like it should😬Great comment😎Cheers Del

Japanese hand saws are brilliant, try them and you won't regret it, 👍😁🔨🇮🇪

Hi Mark🖐The cool thing about posting videos is that it gives people the chance to respond, and as a result, we/I can all find out the different ways we do the same things👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del

I've only found that out since I did this video Ben😖but it's good to keep the grey matter engaged sometimes🤔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del

Super simple Kevin👊and accurate👍Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del

I gather that now Dave🫡 Still, we can always fall back on the old way when China plants a virus in all our smart devices😆Cheers Del

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Hi William🖐I hear what you're saying bud, but my channel is pretty trade specific and not at all aimed at the DIY'ers. My aim is to try and pass on bits and bobs of what I've learnt over the years to other carpenters, especially ones who are in training or starting out. In my experience, you will always have the kind of folk who will do it themselves, and they, generally, will not employ the likes of fully trained tradesmen. The massive influx of cheap, poor quality labour from abroad has done far more to harm the building industry, push down rates and take work than videos on KZfaq. Thanks for your comment👍