Should've installed a shut off valve in the basement

I have been a gas fitter/ service technician for 35 years for the gas utility in St Louis Missouri and would like to go over some of the shortcomings in this video. Number one ,before turning the gas off to the home you should do a general inspection of all the gas appliances that are about to be turned off. Number two, any Appliance with a standing pilot should be turned off manually and the pilot safety proven ( this procedure will eliminate any air being sucked in throughput pilot assemblies and assure you the pilot safeties are working ). Number three, turn electrical controlled gas appliances off at the thermostat so units do not call for heat while you have the gas turned off. Number four, turn the gas off like shown in the video. Number 5, replace the the pipe nipple like shown in the video with one difference ( replace the extremely old core type shut off with a new ballcock style valve and all used flex connectors should be replaced with a new one).. Number 5, install the anti-tip device the gas range was shipped with, this is a national code requirement ,no exceptions. Number 6, a low(inchs) pressure test with a manometer should be performed before the gas is turned back on. The days of spotting the test hand on the gas meter are over ,due to the use of smart meters.The tolerances of the multiple drives on the index cause a spot test to be inaccurate. Number seven, keep the manometer on the system so the incoming gas pressures can be tested. If any discrepancies are found in the gas pressure ,turn the gas back off and immediately contact your gas supplier ASAP. Number eight, after the work & tests are completed the gas can be turned back on to the fuel run system. Always turn gas systems on in a very slow manner. Number 9, test the work that was performed with an electronic leak detector and approved soap solution. Number 10, since the gas was turned off to the entire home you just became responsible for all the gas appliances not just the one you installed. This means that you are not just checking the installed gas appliance for safe and proper operation but you are checking all gas appliances for safe and proper operations. As Richard said this type of work should only be performed buy a licensed and experienced technician.Also one familiar with the current codes and latest Technical Training. The gas industry is a rapidly changing industry. The problem I am seeing is the lack of experienced and well-trained people. This is becoming all too obvious ( the over pressurized gas Mains in Andover , North Andover and Lawrence Massachusetts, killing one and injuring multiple people. The damage gas Main in Durham, North Carolina hit by a directional bore machine; 2 dead and multiple people injured. House explosion in Texas, killing a teenaged cheerleader making breakfast Saturday before practice). This all happened recently and I feel all were preventable through proper training and experience. The test equipment and materials we use now have never been better, so this leaves me to believe the Lac of training and experience can be the only cause of all these incidents.

"You were a great help." He didn't do a Goddamn thing!

Fail! That gas valve should have been replaced with a ball valve. Shame on you guys.

Richard : I’m a professional, that why I can say “lefty loosie”

First thing is not to shut off the gas, but to carry out a soundness or tightness test to ascertain if there are any leaks on the existing system and again when completed. This way you know which part you have a leak on. Secondly all he had to do was remove the valve above the floor and insert a 90 degree bend and refit.

I like how the title is "How To" but then he goes on to say "This should only be done by a licensed professional"

Nice well lit basement area. I would vacuum the top of that elbow below the floor to remove dust and debris from falling in the pipe.

5:52 Pushed the stove back without connecting the power plug. 6:22 "Well you were a great help." Richard did all the work except moving the stove.

Maybe clean the dirty connection you're about to reattach the pipe to. You can see the threads screwing into dirt.

Came in for comments from ",experts". Was not disappointed

i would have replaced that gas valve

New gas stop at stove. Teflon tape on threads plus green pipe dope that is made for gas lines... At least that is how we would do it in Kentucky.

If you're going though all that trouble you should have changed out the valve. I work for a gas company and I can't tell you how many times I go to house for leaks on older valve like that.

In Westerchester county NY it’s illegal to operate the gas meter valve or any valve before the meter . The utility company must be notified by a licensed certified gas plumber Also when ever a meter valve is operated an integrity test has to be preformed to verify the pipes integrity

Most of all i like the way that man used pipe wrenches!

I would have also replaced the gas valve, and I would have leak tested the connections behind the stove before putting it back. CSST pipe is fragile, and you opened a compression fitting then re-closed it, which can often leak.

Nice video, but one question. If this is too dangerous for a homeowner, why did they make a how to video?

Recommended: Install elbow, so flexible hose wont get dammage.

You tested the pipe connection under the floor where the 6"pipe screwed in for gas leaks but the other in above the floor that got connected to the gas shutoff valve I did not see you test for leaks on the black pipe or flex hose that connects to the stove. Keep the videos coming. They are very tutorial for the average home owner

I hate seeing pipe wrenches on hex fittings but still a good video.

And the homeowner still does not have an inline gas shutoff for the stove......SMH

Okay. Few tips. If you think you want to risk doing it yourself. 1. Before you even move your stove check the main shutoff works by running the stove burners. Get a fire going on all burners. The gas should get consumed and stop. Otherwise call a pro. 2. Replace the valve with a ball joint valve that can be turned off by hand. These things fail in time and better to fix it while you have it disassembled. 3. Get a gas leak detector (about 20 bucks on Amazon/ebay) they are better than the "bubble" methods. Play with it before hand using the burner (no fire, on low) but keep the windows open. So you know how it works. 4. Not sure if they covered this but don't untighten the pipe. Be sure to stop when you need to. Reversing the pipe will mess up the seal the "dope/tread sealant" creates.

This seems easy enough for an afternoon project.

I can't believe that he reused that old gas valve! Those old gas valves are notorious for leaking. Also, you shouldn't need a tool to shut the valve off, which is yet another reason to replace it.

What left old gas valve. 🤦‍♂️. It’s a 10 dollar part new ones you can turn off by hand don’t need to look for a wrench. And what about anti tip device. Man said it’s a new stove. Guess that went in the trash O brother

Wouldn't a street "L" have been a better choice instead of making the shut-off valve harder to reach?

Richard , don’t be a hack . Why not replace the shut off valve and put in a new gas flex??

Did I miss something? Looked like there was a shutoff for the stove... right behind the stove even though he said there's no shut off for the stove... or there needs to be a shutoff before the shuttoff in case you need to replace the shutoff? then do you need a shutoff before that shutoff if you want to work on that shut off... heck just put in shutoffs all the way to the meter and hope that first one doesn't have a problem! And I'm not sure if it was the angle the shot was taken at, but it looks like replacing the nipple right above the shutoff with a 90 would put that below the recess of the stove, then you can add your flexible and call it a day.

Now that's a real old fashioned "cellar"! Reminded me of my parents "cellar".

When I was in trade school with the union in New York we would have to add lamp wick to the threads , gas or water it didn’t matter also a pressure test on the gas line.

Shouldn't you replace that valve with a newer ball valve? Don't those have tenancy to leak over time?

Who ever connected it last made a big mistake. you do not put pipe dope on a flair fitting.

gas line near stove should have a drip leg. would have been easy to add.

Why doesn't Richard use actual wrenches that fit the fittings? I never see this. Its always pipe wrenches or adjustable pliers. Wonder why?

better to move stove gas shutoff valve to basement so it is accessible before moving the stove (now a legal requirement in some locations). best to replace the gas valve or repack it (by trained professional).

"You definitely need a licensed professional for this" proceeds to screw and unscrew pipes.

I was always told that once u remove the gas stove connection u get a new one to replace it. Was I duped into buying those connector kit again. ??

Another hack job by Richard, "it's too unsafe, pro only" yet he screwed up. How about replace that worn out shutoff valve and do a simple leak check on all fittings and not just the one when you are done.

Slam those pipe wrenches down on those countertops...lol

Rich forgot to apply yellow teflon first before the sealent. OH NO! I can't get a perfect seal without both combined. I bet you 100% there is a smell gas leak there.

So you didnt put a shut off valve on line?

Couldn’t spend an extra 6.99 on a new shut off. Killing me.

Does torque matter in threaded plumbing connections? It seems like the standard is to just get plenty of threads in place so that it won't pop out, regardless of torque needed, and then check for leaks.

why not pop a extra shutoff value in the direct line from gas meter that leads to stove for future maintenance. maybe even pop on a 90 to the new end. so you'll have more waggle room for future stove upgrades.

Any need to use a new hose or fitting?Many say to use a new hose kit.I think as long as it’s not damaged it should be fine.What do you think?

Very helpful thank you

To see them using LOTO on the gas main would have been nice.

He didn’t install a shutoff lol

I understand that there's probably nothing wrong with it but why did he not put a new style shut off valve instead of the old square stub? And when he was down in the basement he said that the branch line going to the stove did not have a shut off is he relying on the one that was existing?

If there’s something I hate is guys putting tools ( especially heavy steel tools ) on top of clients nice countertops and floors. Use a rag or a piece of carton bro! Or a tool bag. Especially if they just replaced they’re countertops or flooring. Bad practice

How old was that gas supply valve?

One thing I have noticed watching these videos is that all the pipes in America are never secured properly, Meters and meters of pipe, running in all directions, not fastend to the wall or anything. Apparently, even gas lines. They seem to be so strict about "code" when laying waste water pipes; everything has to be according to the all mighty "code", but really important things like gas lines are not controlled in any way. WTF???? What is the sense of a main shut off valve at the meter that you need a wrench to turn it??? In an emergency, you don´t always have a wrench handy.

0:28 looks like pipe dope on the compression fitting.

No sediment trap?

Pipe dope.on everything

CAUTION!!!! Always bleed out the line by starting the stove top till the flame goes out, otherwise flammable gas just goes into the air

What if the gas range says it needs to be x amount of space from back wall??

Why not a 90 off the valve?

Come on bro you should know that old gas valve is against code. Once you removed it it was your responsibility to change it. Those old valves leak.

Smh. No new line valve?

Isn’t there a need to purge the entire system to get all the gas out of the line?

3:11 story of my life...

In our jurisdiction - it is considered UNprofessional to re-use the old style gas valves ( that have brass levers or knobs ) at the appliance - if you take one out , you should replace it with the new style.

Why didn't you carry out a proper soundness test using a U gauge or pressure tester as you can't see the soap solution on the threads beneath the cooker isolation valve as those threads are withing the thickness of the floorboard....

Is it ok to run a gas and water line behind studs ??

Does this type of job require any permits or contact with the city or gas company? We need to do this in our house but want to make sure we’re doing it right

Why not soap test all points of connection that you worked with?

Bad enough he didn’t install a shutoff valve in the basement, but also reinstalled that old valve behind the stove..

Lesson #1_____Call me...I'm a master plumber._____Lesson #2____ See lesson #1

This guy is probably thinking "I could of save alot of money"!! People over think gas.

Hi Richard at 5:30 why pipe not against the back of the jaw for 3 points of contact, thanks

Should have used teflon tape and pipe dope. Especially with gas. It is mandatory in the field.

Why not give them a new shut off? That old valve is a problem waiting to happen.

You may want to check for leaks before you slide it all back in. I understand he's a gas line wizard, but even the best, get a leak here and there. Word up.

How much would something like this cost? I just got a new stove and I’m running into the same problem.

What, No Pipe Dope at 5:44 ? Oh, compression fittings don’t need it....or do they? 😉

I hate natural gas with a passion. Carbon Monoxide Poisoning makes me paranoid. I prefer all electric, but you save money since you don't have a gas bill.

Went that far so why not change the valve? Also a ball valve is better than that old one because it requires no tools to shut on and off.

I like to see a shutoff for each branch but there isn't one and I"m only into this job a 6" nipple so what the hell.

At 4:21 even though you said "... lefty loosey..." while you're at it you might as well say the left rotation is from the point of view of the opposite end of the pipe, in that from your point of view you're turning the wrench clockwise aka 'righty' ... and when turning off the gas, looking squarely at whatever arrangement you see it's 'clockwise to close' ... seconds might matter someday

I guess we don't soap the quick connect on the stove and tssa bugs us lol

Why not just thread on an elbow?

"The shorter pipe comes precut." They call them nipples. Oh I'm so embarrassed!

If you are removing the 12" pipe, why not put a valve and a short nipple in the basement., plus one valve behind the stove. And if you were going to work of the meter valve like you did, all you would had to do was removed the old valver and replace it with a street elbow and tread a new valve on the street elbow. Connect the flex line to the new valve and call it a day. It would take the same time as I'm taking to type this comment. LOL! :)

Use a match or bic lighter to check for leaks after installation.

No pressure test?

Can’t believe he didn’t replace that shut off valve

3:11 that's what she said

Home owners should not mess with gas !

2 pipe wrenches on the $2k countertop.

I don't know why he didn't just install a 90 or a street 90 and a new shutoff valve and flex. So many issues in these TOH episodes, they shouldn't be showing how to do it wrong and against national codes.

The owner looks scared lol

Complains about no shutoff valve then doesn't install one at a good time to do just that. Not even a mention of a sediment trap or drip line. THIS is This-Old-House?????? (1:45 "licensed professional")

4 mistakes by a “pro” a diy would have: 1-add a 90 degree elbow below the shutoff valve. instead of replacing the 12 inch pipe 2- use a crescent wrench to disconnect the hose. the “pro” pipe wrench tore up the fitting 3-add another shut off valve on that gas branch so if valve behind stove messed up there is a way to shut off the gas branch instead of going back to meter to shut off gas to stove 4-let the excess gas out of the line after the gas was turned off at the meter. just turn on the cooktop to get rid of excess gas i bet if tv was not there mr “pro” would have left the gas on and just used his finger to plug the pipe for the minute he had it unscrewed...

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great vid.

Who put the pipe dope on the flared fitting 🤦🏽

Safety first !!!

“We got up to 6 inches to play with”😭 ... that’s what my last treesome girls said 😧