How To Solve For The Area - Viral Math Problem

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5 жыл бұрын

Thanks to Reio in Romania for emailing me this fun problem! What is the area? This puzzle was shared with the tagline "you should be able to solve this."
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@MindYourDecisions
@MindYourDecisions 4 жыл бұрын
Happy anniversary! Thanks for nearly 2 million views in one year! I really thought it's obvious why this equation is true (a + b) + (c + d) = (b + c) + (a + d).
@apporvetyagi9348
@apporvetyagi9348 4 жыл бұрын
Please tell us, I can't figure out why
@HeracIeid
@HeracIeid 4 жыл бұрын
MindYourDecisions You could've just said "by the associative and commutative laws of addition". That would've been about as fast as saying "notice that" or "it's obvious that" while still giving viewers enough information to research their missing puzzle piece.
@alkankondo89
@alkankondo89 4 жыл бұрын
Luke Johnson : Ah, yes, the plight of so, so many proofs in textbooks! Just spell out all the steps that are so "obvious" or "clear" -- it doesn't even take that many more words usually!
@rishijai
@rishijai 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeracIeid This is the first real world application of commutative and associative laws I have encountered!
@Deibler666
@Deibler666 4 жыл бұрын
Other way to see it is because the whole square is 2a + 2b + 2c + 2d. Let's know the area of each triangle, their angles and length of their legs, just for fun.
@youcefkhalilmoharem2343
@youcefkhalilmoharem2343 5 жыл бұрын
I contemplated the thumbnail of this video for 20 minutes before finally deciding to watch it.
@shiskeyoffles
@shiskeyoffles 5 жыл бұрын
SAME.. I stared for like 10 min.. I think the answer is 28... (16+32=48) and (20-48=28)... Let's see what's the answer now
@austineckhardt9147
@austineckhardt9147 5 жыл бұрын
I just guessed and said 28 and I was right
@Eytan_Adam
@Eytan_Adam 5 жыл бұрын
Given triangle ABC, a = 3, b = 4, sin A = 0.6 . Find c and draw it geometrically. It's not so easy as you think!
@samdoesstuff4924
@samdoesstuff4924 4 жыл бұрын
Eytan ADAM hey i didn't know there would be trigonometry in this!
@Eytan_Adam
@Eytan_Adam 4 жыл бұрын
@@samdoesstuff4924 use trigonometry and algebra, and you will be surprised!
@catanonimus7
@catanonimus7 5 жыл бұрын
Who don't understand why the sum of opposite areas are equal, just try to count what triangles these areas consist of. Yellow area - a, b Red one - c, d Green one - b, c Blue one - a, d So Yellow and Red areas together consist of a, b, c, d. Green and blue areas together cosist of a, b, c, d too. So, it's why they are equal
@TheFeldhamster
@TheFeldhamster 5 жыл бұрын
Actually, it's not the "opposite areas" which are equal, because that would mean a+b = c+d. I also at first somehow read and heard "opposite areas are equal" which is just wrong. It's really "the *sum* of the opposite areas is equal". I guess more ppl just misheard/misread it and missed that critical word "sum".
@catanonimus7
@catanonimus7 5 жыл бұрын
TheFeldhamster you're right, I corrected
@tylerbreau4544
@tylerbreau4544 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation. Was wondering where he pulled this magical statement from.
@manojYadav-fd3nz
@manojYadav-fd3nz 5 жыл бұрын
nice bro...
@insearchofpeace2151
@insearchofpeace2151 5 жыл бұрын
Another way to look at it would be to consider the interior point as a locus of a kind.
@ane150893
@ane150893 4 жыл бұрын
28? Aw man, so close! My answer was "Argentina"
@seanleith5312
@seanleith5312 3 жыл бұрын
Presh Talwalker: You will really need to change your name, at least the first name. I have never seen a name that I really don't like.
@legendarymonkey503
@legendarymonkey503 3 жыл бұрын
I got 25
@veud
@veud 3 жыл бұрын
Ha! I guessed what i subtract and add and and I got 28 😝
@hacker64xfn99
@hacker64xfn99 3 жыл бұрын
I seriously got 28....but i did not use the exact same method !
@enkh-erdenebatbold1177
@enkh-erdenebatbold1177 3 жыл бұрын
So were my grandpa’s
@botfeeder
@botfeeder 3 жыл бұрын
Another method: Designate the side of the square as 2a. Run a diagonal line between the center points of each side of the square to the adjacent sides. The square is now divided into 8 pieces. The outer 4 pieces are 45 degree right triangles with area (a^2)/2 . The other four pieces are triangles each of a different size. One triangle goes with each of the four areas the square is divided into. We denote the areas of these triangles T16, T20, T32, and T?, with the number corresponding to the identified area of the original square. Now rotate this cluster of four triangles by 45 degrees clockwise. You see that you have a square whose side is sqrt(2)*a. Now notice that based on the base and height formula for a triangle that T16+T32 = a^2. Now add the two 45 degree triangles that go with the area that's 16 and the area that's 32. You get (a^2)/2 + (a^2)/2 + T16+T32 = 16+32. Hence 2a^2=48 and a^2=24. Thus a=6sqrt(2). Now we know that T20= 20-(a^2)/2= 20-12=8. We also know from the square containing the four triangles, using the area of a triangle formula that T20+T? = a^2. Hence T?= a^2-T20 = 24-8=16. The area the problem asks for is T? plus one of the 45 degree corner triangles whose area is (a^/2)/2 which is 12. So the area the problem asks for is 16+12=28.
@account5223
@account5223 7 ай бұрын
how does T16+T32 = a^2
@stavroulapapadaki4078
@stavroulapapadaki4078 4 ай бұрын
Because the area of a triangle is a^2/2 and since they are two triangles with equal sides, then it's a^2/2*2, so a^2 @@account5223
@thegoodkidboy7726
@thegoodkidboy7726 5 жыл бұрын
I got negative twelve.
@imadhamaidi
@imadhamaidi 5 жыл бұрын
I got 76 :c
@jamesramirez0408
@jamesramirez0408 5 жыл бұрын
I got 28...
@Schenkel101
@Schenkel101 5 жыл бұрын
Good ol' negative area.
@user-nt9tn7zw7n
@user-nt9tn7zw7n 5 жыл бұрын
how could yoy do that? great!
@Rumpael
@Rumpael 5 жыл бұрын
Negative 12 would work too
@timmokoo5679
@timmokoo5679 3 жыл бұрын
"I don't know" is also a correct answer
@-Chicken_
@-Chicken_ 2 жыл бұрын
I put that answer for my exams and I got an F! I got Fantastic!
@timmokoo5679
@timmokoo5679 2 жыл бұрын
@@-Chicken_ I think in this case F stands for "Fair"
@Wasp13077
@Wasp13077 3 жыл бұрын
There is a much simpler way to arrive to the same answer. Starting with the upper left and working clockwise, let's label each area A, B, C, and D respectively. Since each line segment bisects the outer wall, then (A + C) = (B + D), giving us (20 + C) = (32 + 16), or (20 + C) = 48. Subtract 20 from both sides: C = 28.
@CarlosGarcia-kx6hd
@CarlosGarcia-kx6hd Жыл бұрын
This is way easier
@girishshivshankar6339
@girishshivshankar6339 11 ай бұрын
Can you explain why areas A+C will be equal to B+D? Didn't understand that part..
@Thinker.05
@Thinker.05 10 ай бұрын
@@girishshivshankar6339+
@parapunter
@parapunter 10 ай бұрын
@@girishshivshankar6339 If you join the mid points of the sides of the square then you get a smaller inner square. Now each of A,B,C,D is composed of a triangle outside the inner square and a triangle inside the inner square. The outside triangles are all the same size. Because it's a square the sum of the heights of opposite triangles in the inner square are equal. Because their bases are also equal, the sum of their areas is equal.
@jaideepshekhar4621
@jaideepshekhar4621 4 ай бұрын
@@girishshivshankar6339 Divide the square into two rectangles vertically at intersecting point. 2b is half the area of left rectangle, 2d is half the area of right rectangle. The remaining area is 2a+2c.
@OmniLiquid
@OmniLiquid 4 жыл бұрын
For the bonus: Call the point where the red area and the 72 area meet M, the point where the 10 area meets side BC N, and the point where the 8 area meets side CD P. Area(triangle ADM) + area(triangle BPM) = 1/2 area(parallelogram ABCD) = area(triangle ADN). The missing spots are the same in each side, so call the sum of their areas y and the red area x. Then x + y + 72 +8 = y +79 + 10 -> x = 9. Thus the red area is 9.
@vaibhavyadav9912
@vaibhavyadav9912 2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@KM-om1hm
@KM-om1hm 2 жыл бұрын
Who told those are of same size
@OmniLiquid
@OmniLiquid 2 жыл бұрын
@@KM-om1hm It's been a couple years and I've only taken a glance at the problem but I'm gonna go with probably some combination of the definition of a parallelogram and my brain. I'll look more closely after work and try to get a more accurate answer.
@KM-om1hm
@KM-om1hm 2 жыл бұрын
@@OmniLiquid okay. Thank you
@mastick5106
@mastick5106 Жыл бұрын
@@OmniLiquid The reason is the triangle area formula mentioned in the video. If we call the height of the parallelogram 'h', and represent the length of line segment AM as [AM], then the area of ADM is 0.5h[AM] and the area of BPM is 0.5h[MB]. Add these and you get 0.5h[AB]. Since the area of the parallelogram is defined as h[AB], the sum of the two triangles is half the total area. You can show in a similar way that the area of ADN is half the area of the parallelogram.
@chicoti3
@chicoti3 5 жыл бұрын
When you can solve complex analysis problems but didn't even know where to start solving this
@Kuki_ogl
@Kuki_ogl 4 жыл бұрын
“The sum of opposite areas are equal” , you lost the majority of us there mate.
@danycinkhope
@danycinkhope 4 жыл бұрын
Yes but it is not essential to resolve the problem !
@josepherhardt164
@josepherhardt164 4 жыл бұрын
If the sum of "opposite areas" (definition, please?) are equal, why even bother to subdivide into triangles? Aha! Don't think of this as "opposite areas are equal," think of this: a + b + c + d = a + b + c + d, so ... (a + b) + (c + d) = (b + c) + (a + d) merely by rearranging, and the rest follows.
@adrianogalink3588
@adrianogalink3588 4 жыл бұрын
@@josepherhardt164 Thanks Bro.
@MrMeGaSeNt
@MrMeGaSeNt 4 жыл бұрын
How does the side length matter? If the whole square area equals to 100%, and other areas' sum is 16%+20%+32% = 68%, so the rest would be 32%, in current measures is 32 cm^2. Can this be correct?
@Lioxqtp
@Lioxqtp 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrMeGaSeNt we don't know if its 16%, just that it's 16 cm^2.
@indigoziona
@indigoziona 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you talk through the answer slowly so I can watch a bit and then have a go :)
@el_bob.
@el_bob. 3 ай бұрын
I think your problem perfectly encapsulates the beauty of math, in the sense that, although it's a really hard problem, it's solution is also quite simple, but not intuitive! Beautiful problem!
@alvinknumpihc3680
@alvinknumpihc3680 5 жыл бұрын
I solved it in a different way with matrices. I first thought about a square cut into 4 even pieces (like how a window looks like) so the dot would be right in the middle I labeled each area z Then I thought about what would happen if u moved the intersection (the dot) directly left or right. If I moved the dot to the right, then the left 2 squares would increase the same amount the right 2 decreased , since you can't magically gain or lose more area by partitioning them differently. So I made x the amount a square gains/loses when the dot moves left or right. The same reasoning for the dot moving up or down. Made the change y So upper right was z + x + y = 32 Upper left was z - x + y = 20 Lower right was z - x - y = 16 3 equations 3 unknowns. z = 24, x = 6, y = 2 The equation of the lower left square was z + x - y. Plug in and you get 28
@wassupjg
@wassupjg 5 жыл бұрын
nice
@code-cave
@code-cave 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, great solution.
@amitabhshekhar2558
@amitabhshekhar2558 5 жыл бұрын
Liked ur approach but something is a miss here.. You got ur ans coz of square or a parallelogram which have this as a property .. But according to your method(area can never be created) this can be applied to any of the figure like quadrilaterals.. N there it fails.. Try it urself.
@jerinbiju8869
@jerinbiju8869 5 жыл бұрын
Alex Xela
@kiraal3619
@kiraal3619 5 жыл бұрын
This is so much better
@vobisw
@vobisw 5 жыл бұрын
I think, i‘m a genius. Just continue watching and don’t even try solving, because he‘ll tell you the solution.
@kkyt_9154
@kkyt_9154 5 жыл бұрын
wow,intelligent!
@benhardwiesner6963
@benhardwiesner6963 5 жыл бұрын
Thats cheating! By the way MY method was way faster... Solution: Take the square root of 76 and then scroll through the comments... The first step I left out
@goodplacetostart9099
@goodplacetostart9099 5 жыл бұрын
Genius answer , pal , total 101% genius What praise should I give you for such an genius answer Einstien's brain is the mere dust of your feet , pal , genius
@markiyanhapyak349
@markiyanhapyak349 5 жыл бұрын
Benhard Wiesner, You cannot apply the square root like that......can You?
@returnzero3530
@returnzero3530 5 жыл бұрын
I solved it from the first try 😊
@dionisis11
@dionisis11 3 жыл бұрын
a+b= 16, b+c=20, c+d=32 => a+b+b+c+c+d=16+20+32=> a+d+2*(b+c)=68 => a+d=68-2*(b+c)=68-2*20=28. No need to perplex things by means of mentioning this about the opposite areas. Cute problem thought. Thanks for sharing it!!!
@Marius-qs2jw
@Marius-qs2jw 4 жыл бұрын
Bă,Raio din România, mi-am spart creierul cu problema asta vreo 2 ore,apoi cand am vazut cum a fost rezolvată m-am luminat:făină de tot problema cu o rezolvare elegantă.Bravo!
@keremkaya6915
@keremkaya6915 5 жыл бұрын
Hey. A very similar question was asked in Turkey's university entrance exam yesterday. I don't know if I could solve it if I didn't watch this video. I haven't got the results yet but you made me make one question more and closer to the university I want. Thanks a lot.
@catitude235
@catitude235 Жыл бұрын
I hope you've made it!
@abshariadam
@abshariadam 3 ай бұрын
Hey, I'm curious, what was the exam that you took? Was it SAT? YOS? Hope you can make it to uni, btw.
@metehankanmaz8805
@metehankanmaz8805 13 күн бұрын
@@abshariadamIt was YKS I think.
@Erysea
@Erysea 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah ! When I finally decided to watch the video I was like, "ok might as well try to find a solution before watching" and I found 28cm2 in my head. God it's nice to get a boost in math confidence for once :')
@sgaming8450
@sgaming8450 4 жыл бұрын
I solved it by just looking at the thumbnail and randomly: b+c=20 b+a=16 Difference is 4. Then a+d=32-4=28 Pretty cool considered i didnt use anything lol
@TheGRTF
@TheGRTF 3 жыл бұрын
same way...but by suming up opposites areas...
@ChuckKarl525
@ChuckKarl525 3 жыл бұрын
My day job is modeling/drafting with Revit, but I enjoy learning what I should already know. Thanks!
@realcygnus
@realcygnus 5 жыл бұрын
I just simply assumed that the sum of both "diagonal sections" should be equal, that SW + NE = NW + SE, specifically NW20 + SEx = SW16 + NE32, so 20 + x = 48, so x = 28.....no need to divide every section in half or consider as triangles. Or was it mere coincidence that this worked in this case ?
@twigpig
@twigpig 5 жыл бұрын
It wasn't coincidence because your assumption was correct in this case, but in maths you should always prove your assumptions before using them in your calculations (as Presh did in this video).
@c00bmaster
@c00bmaster 5 жыл бұрын
it wouldn't be coincidence since with a point anywhere in the square coming from the midpoints of each side, you can split it up in the same way as he did with a, b, c and d without knowing the exact area. since (a + b) + (c + d) will always be equal to (b +c) + (d + a) this means that the sum of both opposite sections in any square split up that way will be equal. I hope this made sense
@rsalehi6568
@rsalehi6568 5 жыл бұрын
I Believe your approach works in every instance regardless of where that point is.
@SuperRousku
@SuperRousku 5 жыл бұрын
They are always the same, and it is not a coincidence. As you can see, both diagonal areas are (a+b+c+d). You can also get to this conclusion by noting that any deviation from the center point creates a equal but opposite change to the areas of the diagonally opposite areas, so they must stay constant. How did you come up with your assumption?
@rsalehi6568
@rsalehi6568 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine the point is coincident with one of the corners. Then it becomes more clear why your approach works.
@prim16
@prim16 5 жыл бұрын
A Chinese fifth grader solved the more difficult problem in less than a minute... *cries myself to sleep*
@songyili7072
@songyili7072 2 жыл бұрын
it is so easy for a Chinese like me. And i‘m lerning integration now, although i‘m just a ninth grader :)
@levi8971
@levi8971 4 жыл бұрын
For everyone confused why he took so long and it only took you all second, hes doing the same thing. Just proving the method you probably used is true. The sum of opposite areas are equal, so he can justify his answer, which is usally the hardest part.
@evelieningels9408
@evelieningels9408 4 ай бұрын
The moment u started talking about triangles I was convinced I could do it and I actually did it! (with a long detour, but I got there none the less)
@fredumstadt593
@fredumstadt593 5 жыл бұрын
Let a be the half-length of a side. Total area is T = 4a². Also, T = SW + NW + NE + SE = 68 + SE. So SE = 4a² - 68. Let x and y be the coordinates of the point. Use the area of a triangle: A = 1/2 × base × height. For SW: 16 = 1/2 × a × x + 1/2 × a × y = a/2 × (x + y). For NE: 32 = 1/2 × a × (2a - x) + 1/2 × a × (2a - y) = a/2 × (4a - x - y). Sum these two, the x and y cancel out: 48 = 2a². Replace in the first equation: SE = 48 × 2 - 68 = 28.
@ronaldjensen2948
@ronaldjensen2948 5 жыл бұрын
This is how I solved it as well. It turns into 3 equations with 3 unknowns
@alexandramuller9055
@alexandramuller9055 5 жыл бұрын
Or just 16+32=20+x
@apoolplayer278
@apoolplayer278 5 жыл бұрын
i am a simple romanian: i see the world romania i get my heart warmed and like the video
@emrebakar3710
@emrebakar3710 5 жыл бұрын
I got Jamaica on the 2nd question, is it correct?
@yusref5021
@yusref5021 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha emre bravo
@infamouscoffee4934
@infamouscoffee4934 5 жыл бұрын
Did you divide by two?
@zgcolorforce214
@zgcolorforce214 4 жыл бұрын
Huh, I got Jamaica/sqrt(Cuba) on that question.
@chaosmaster2642
@chaosmaster2642 4 жыл бұрын
Nah dude. U forgot to multiply by Canada and divide the remainder with Caribbean
@Gamer-qz8ij
@Gamer-qz8ij 4 жыл бұрын
Chaos Master26 u gotta subtract the USSR first though...
@georgechen8028
@georgechen8028 5 жыл бұрын
I made it with a harder way through figuring out the side length of square = 4√6. After watching the video, I found it's actually a simple question.
@lostfeather1089
@lostfeather1089 5 жыл бұрын
How did you calculate the side ? ! !
@critisizerr245
@critisizerr245 4 жыл бұрын
He didn't Fooling himself only
@mr.dr.kaiser4912
@mr.dr.kaiser4912 3 жыл бұрын
@@critisizerr245 I did the same thing, so no, he wasn't fooling himself.
@spacescopex
@spacescopex 2 жыл бұрын
中文解答:Please have a look at MY SOLUTION: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/npZhlsSTl9TLfWQ.html
@LevelUp643
@LevelUp643 4 жыл бұрын
Or d+a=?? d=32-c a=16-b So 32-c+16-b=?? Because b+c=20, then -b-c=-20 Therefore 48-20=28
@jamessanchez3032
@jamessanchez3032 3 жыл бұрын
I did something kind of similar. We know that b=16-a. c is then 4+a because they are the green triangles adding up to 20. c is also 32-d. So 4+a=32-d, or a=28-d. a+d=(28-d)+d=28.
@kiranshetti7991
@kiranshetti7991 3 жыл бұрын
32-c+16-b=? 32+16=b+c 48=b+c B+C=20 from ..fig .🙄
@hgfdshtrew8541
@hgfdshtrew8541 3 жыл бұрын
@@kiranshetti7991 i think this is what i did, the area equality of a square divided from a central point/equally on the sides meant i just intuitively knew that each half was the same area as 16 + 32 = 48, so 20 + ? = answer, or 28
@arshjeetsingh7113
@arshjeetsingh7113 3 жыл бұрын
@@kiranshetti7991 you cant actually take b and c to right hand side because r.h.s is not equal to 0. It is actually equal to ? Which is actually a+d
@aeter4352
@aeter4352 3 жыл бұрын
@@arshjeetsingh7113 Exactly he forgot ? = a+d. What he did was add b+c to a+d, which is 48.
@mastermiggy6861
@mastermiggy6861 4 жыл бұрын
Hello there. I always loved math. I loved it so much that I became an actuary. I saw this problem a different way. I figured, if you pick any point inside of a square, and draw a line from that point to the center of every side of the square, then the sum of opposite areas has to equal half of the area of the square. I used that principle and came up with the same answer of 28.
@spacescopex
@spacescopex 2 жыл бұрын
Please have a look at MY SOLUTION: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/npZhlsSTl9TLfWQ.html
@enricomorinelli6747
@enricomorinelli6747 4 жыл бұрын
your videos stimulate my mind. thank you so much
@RoverIAC
@RoverIAC 3 жыл бұрын
the Chinese kid who solved the end problem in under one minute answered with "Red Triangle is Supreme over all. Long live Red Triangle".
@eventhisidistaken
@eventhisidistaken 5 жыл бұрын
I couldn't think of a simpler way to do it, so I set it up as 4 equations and 4 unknowns, using nothing but areas of rectangles and right triangles, and was able to grind through the algebra to solve for the total area, from which the resulting area is 28. I'm embarrassed that it took me over 1/2 hour.
@itsmesuryat7570
@itsmesuryat7570 5 жыл бұрын
I went through 6 eqns and 6 unknowns ! FML brute forcing my way through everything XD
@vinsentnys
@vinsentnys 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@pary8245
@pary8245 5 жыл бұрын
My first idea was 16 equations and 16 unknowns...
@szymonaugustynowicz630
@szymonaugustynowicz630 4 жыл бұрын
you can inscribe a different square connecting the the middles of the sides of former square and then u see 32-y+16-y=20-y+x-y where y is the rectangular triangle
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 3 жыл бұрын
4:06 the sum of opposite areas are equal. This is a beautiful and (to me) surprising general result that i find even more interesting that the solution to this particular problem.
@audunskilbrei8279
@audunskilbrei8279 5 жыл бұрын
I finally solved one of these! Although my way of solving was far less elegant.
@3freezeen
@3freezeen 5 жыл бұрын
My explanation to why the the sum of a pair of opposing areas= Sum of the other pair: Consider a square inscribed inside the original square, with its vertices at the midpoints of the original square. Within this inscribed square are four triangles. Drop altitudes(heights) from the interior point to the bases of these triangles (sides of the inscribed square) Sum of one pair of opposing heights= Side length of inscribed square= Sum of the other pair of opposing heights. Multiplying the heights by the inscribed square side length and you will get their areas. Hence Sum of one pair of opposing triangles in inscribed square= Sum of the other pair Adding the areas of the triangles generated in the space between the original square and the inscribed square, and since the four of them are equal, you get Sum of one pair of opposing areas= Sum of the other pair Hope that helps.
@sra1kumar905
@sra1kumar905 5 жыл бұрын
I got what you said, but for people who don't try it this way, it's hard!
@marcos4325
@marcos4325 5 жыл бұрын
I had the same approach at the first time, and it shows the true nature of the problem... but I think that Presh's solution was more elegant...
@3freezeen
@3freezeen 5 жыл бұрын
Marcos Guilherme To be frank if I were in a time-limited exam, I would have gone first for Presh's solution. It was more methodological and alelgebraic. It isn't as intuitive and requires you to write down the algebra or form them in your mind to realize the relation. Whereas I think my method aids more the geometrical understanding of the relation. It took me a while to think of my method. In an exam I definitely would recommend Presh's.
@K.C.Kundu-1980
@K.C.Kundu-1980 3 жыл бұрын
Sir,I have seen your all videos .Your method of explanation is very good.(From India)
@pabloarvelo5969
@pabloarvelo5969 3 жыл бұрын
sooo glad I came across this channel.
@sashashadowhive6128
@sashashadowhive6128 5 жыл бұрын
I can actually solve this initial problem way easier. I did it in under a minute. It is simple! due to the fact that all lines connect to the center of one of the lines of the square, it does not matter where you put the connection point. in these circumstances diagonally opposing area's together are ALWAYS half of the square. So the equation to solve this is simply 16+32-20=28
@comershaw7610
@comershaw7610 5 жыл бұрын
Sasha Shadowhive Wow, I didn’t know that! Thanks for telling me this!
@sashashadowhive6128
@sashashadowhive6128 5 жыл бұрын
@@comershaw7610 no problem. I just don't understand why he uses such a roundabout way Keep in mind this only works if the connection points on the lines are turn symmetrical. 2 easy examples are, like in this problem, the middle of each line or in each corner. But if the connection point is, for example, on 2cm from the left corner (if you look at it from the center of the square) and 5 cm from the right corner, this theory will still work if ALL 4 POINTS are 2 cm from their respective left corner and 5 from their right corner. If the points are no longer the same this will not work
@perz0n595
@perz0n595 5 жыл бұрын
@@sashashadowhive6128 Yeah, but try to prove that it actually is correct solution (I know it is, but I wouldn't say the proof is obvious, meanwhile, in his solution, the proof is quite obvious, it's pretty much the solution itself).
@cmd31220
@cmd31220 4 жыл бұрын
I had a similar problem on my algebra test a few years ago, but I didn't know the thing about opposite areas being equal, so I had to go the long away around. In this case, I did the same thing by dividing everything into triangles and labeling the equal areas a, b, c, and d. Then I did some algebra. You know a+b=16, b+c=20, and c+d=32, and what you're looking for is a+d. So based on that you know that d=b+12 and a=c-4. Then to finish, you do (a+d)=(b+12)+(c-4) and then simplify it to =b+c+8. And since we already know that b+c=20, we know that (a+d)=20+8=28
@rimas9684
@rimas9684 3 жыл бұрын
Wowww man you are amazing I have nothing to do with math or trigonometry. But your puzzles are interesting. Thank you very much for your content
@easy_s3351
@easy_s3351 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty smart solution. What I'd do after splitting the areas up into the triangles with areas a, b, c and d is: total area of the square T=2*a+2*b+2*c+2*d and rewrite to T=2*(a+b)+2*(c+d). We know a+b=16 and c+d=32 so you get T=2*16+2*32=96. We also know T=16+32+20+(a+d) so (a+d)= 96-68=28cm2. But stating that a+b+c+d=a+b+c+d (which is obviously true) and rewriting that as (a+b)+(c+d)=(b+c)+(a+d) to get to (a+d)=28 is pretty neat too. I went about this in a different way: If you connect the midpoints of the sides of the square you get another square inside the square we started with, the inscribed square. Let's call the length of the sides of the big square 2a so that all the lines marked ‖ (equal-sign) have a length a. The sides of the inner square then become √2a^2. You'll see that each of the 4 areas we created has the same triangle in them, with two legs of length a and one of √2a^2. Since all 4 areas have this same triangle in them this triangle can be discarded when looking at how the areas relate to each other. This I'll use in a bit. You'll also see we now have 4 triangles in the inner square, each with one of the sides of the inner square as their base and the other legs are the lines we drew to make the 4 areas. Let's call the top-left triangle B, the top-right one C, the bottom-left one D, the bottom-right one E and the intersection point S. Now drop a line from the intersection point S perpendicular to the base of each of the triangles B, C, D and E. These lines are the heights of those 4 triangles in the inner square and you'll see that the height of triangle B (b) plus the height of the triangle E (e) equals the length of their base. The same goes for the combined heights of triangles C (c) and D(d). So b+e=c+d=√2a^2. As we know the area of a triangle is 1/2*base*height. These 4 triangles all have the same base so the relation between their areas depends on the relation of their heights. I've also determined that the relation between the 4 areas we created at the beginning depends on the relation between the area of these 4 triangles. Since their area depends upon their heights (as they all have the same base) I can state that the relation between the heights of these triangles and the areas we created at the beginning is b+e=c+d. So 20+e=32+16 gives e=28 which is the area we were looking for. Total area of the square then is 16+20+32+28=96 and its sides are √96=4√6 long.
@Freeman4815
@Freeman4815 3 жыл бұрын
3:52 You can do that also with system of equations
@exlzyor2006
@exlzyor2006 3 жыл бұрын
Yep I ended up doing that. A bit longer to do AND it doesn't really use the method the sender wanted us to use but it gets the job done !
@aquamarine99911
@aquamarine99911 3 жыл бұрын
@@exlzyor2006 Yes, I'm more comfortable with algebra than geometry. I used x = base of all of those triangles (i.e. half the length of each side of the square), y = how far below the midpoint was from centre, and z = how for to the left of the midpoint from centre. So for the "a + b" shape, my formula was x(x-y)/2 + x(x-z)/2 = 16. And so on. Fortunately, there were ways of simplifying the algebra, so it didn't take all that long to get the right answer. But still not nearly as elegant as Presh's approach.
@ihti20
@ihti20 3 жыл бұрын
@@aquamarine99911 elegant or not, I solved it in head very fast using different division and sum of heights. Inscribed square is a half. Areas b+d=a+c=2S because of sum of heights. S is ⅛ of the whole square. 4S = 16+32 => S=12 and square is 96. Unknown area will be 96-16-20-32=28
@shadowblock5814
@shadowblock5814 3 жыл бұрын
Bro mine is coming 25.5cm² . Please give a response Let equals side be x and other according to their type like y,z,k,z,l Area of first =20cm²=x*x*y*z Area of second=16cm²=x*x*y*k Area of third=32cm²=x*x*z*l Area of fourth=?=x*x*k*l Area of 4th= Area of 2nd * Area of 3rd / . Area of 4th (x*x*y*k)*(x*x*z*l)/x*x*y*z=x*x*k*l(which is 4th ) 16*32/20=25.6 cm²
@ihti20
@ihti20 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowblock5814 Look, connect middle points of the square - you'll get 4 equal isosceles right triangles (note them s) and inscribed square with side equal L√2/2, and area being a half of initial square. Inscribed square is split into 4 triangles, let's note them clockwise a,b,c,d. And correspondingly we'll note initial shapes A,B,C,D. a and c have base equal to the side of inscribed square, and the sum of their heights is equal to the side, too. The same to b and d. Thus, sum of their areas are equal a+c=b+d. Equality will stand if you add the same to both sides. 2s+a+c=2s+b+d => (s+a)+(s+c)=(s+b)+(s+d) => A+C=B+D => D=A+C-B= 16+32-20=28.
@user-wt1ul7ki6p
@user-wt1ul7ki6p 3 жыл бұрын
For the first question, let's call the centre point "P" which links to the centre point on the four square edges to divides the square into 4 areas. The first question then can also be solved by dividing the 4 areas in the other way: Link the middle point of each square edges to form a 45 degree square (call it the centre square). This centre square divides the 4 areas into 8 triangles. The sum of the top-right + bottom-left area, could be calculated as the sum of their four triangles. These four triangles has the same base length: the edge length of the center square! The total height of the 4 triangles is exactly the diagonal of the original square. Thus the sum 4 triangles is 1/2 x Centre square edge length x Outer square diagonal length. The same argument can be applied to the top-left + bottom-right area, and results in the same number (since the area sum will not depend on the position of point "P".) Now we know the two diagonal area sums are the same, and the problem can be solved as 32 + 16 - 20 = 28
@spacescopex
@spacescopex 2 жыл бұрын
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@claudeabraham2347
@claudeabraham2347 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best puzzles ever!
@dyvel
@dyvel 5 жыл бұрын
Assigning the point coordinates (a,b) and writing expressions for the original areas worked fine too. //=h, ha/2+hb/2=16, h(2h-a)/2+h(2h-b)/2=32 , insert first in second and solve for h. Then you get the total area of the square 4h^2=96.
@spacescopex
@spacescopex 2 жыл бұрын
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@typha
@typha 5 жыл бұрын
hi presh, I solved this problem in another way, using the same principle but without any algebra, it is a much more visual solution. To explain, Let me label the upper right region as A and the upper left as B and so forth moving counter clockwise. (so D is our unknown area) Start by drawing in the lines between the centers of adjacent sides of the square. We have now decomposed each region into two triangles, like in your method. But here one is in the corner of the square (and has fixed area) and the other has a base of that diagonal and a height dependant on the position of the point. let's call these the variable triangles. Now draw a line through the point and parallel to the base of the variable triangle from region D (call this line m). Notice that this line is also parallel the base of the variable triangle from region B. What we notice as we drag the point around on line m is that the areas of regions B and D stay the same, and consequently area is just shifted back and forth between regions A and C. If we drag the point to the middle of line m, the figure is symmetric and by that symmetry, regions A and C have the same area. Originally they had 16+32=48 area between them, and they still must, so each has an area of 24. Now draw the main diagonal that is also the symmetry line, and passes through our point, and is parallel to the bases of the variable triangles of regions A and C. (Call this line d) If we drag our point around on line d we notice that regions A and C don't change area and the area shifts between regions B and D. And! we notice that we can put the point in the middle of the entire square. When we do this all areas are the same, so all the areas in this position must be 24. Shifting the point back so that region B only has an area of 20 means that 4 units of area mush have shifted from it into region D. 24 +4 = 28 done.
@typha
@typha 5 жыл бұрын
Actually, thinking about this further, there are loads of really cool observations here that can lead us to the same conclusion. Using the same type of argument as above we can see that moving diagonally doesn't change the total areas between diagonally opposing regions at all (A and C, and B and D). After accepting that, and the existence of the state where the point is in the middle and all regions are equal, it is obvious that D= A+C-D. Also if we instead make cut the large square into quarters with a horizontal and diagonal line, and focus on triangles created in that picture, we can notice the following things about combined areas of adjacent sides: If we move the point horizontally, A+B and C+D both remain constant. If we move the point vertically, A+D and B+C both remain constant. Which is cool, but not helpful for this problem.
@ongbonga9025
@ongbonga9025 5 жыл бұрын
Sovled within ten seconds, with the correct assumption that opposite segments equals half the total area. It's easy to see this is true when we have the intersection point in the exact centre (all segments equal sized squares), but if we visualise the intersection point moving from the centre to the corner, we see one segment get larger, while its opposite corner becomes smaller. Meanwhile, the other two segments change shape equally, but they do not change area relative to one another. If they never changed area relative to one another, they they must have remained the same area as they were when the intersection point was in the exact centre. Thus, opposite segments are equal to half the total area, regardless of the location of the intersection point.
@marexlucas6353
@marexlucas6353 5 жыл бұрын
I saw the same thing from the beginning but could not believe its so simple :) so spend a lot of time by proving it math way.
@balakrishnakarri6264
@balakrishnakarri6264 3 жыл бұрын
I am a biggest fan of you. I always watch ur videos and i improve my math skills. I want to meet u once in my life
@dsanchack332
@dsanchack332 3 жыл бұрын
You did not need the "sum of opposite areas are equal" equation. It could be solved for 28 just by knowing that a+b=16,b+c=20,c+d=32,a+d=x. You use basic substitution across the first three equations, and you eventually get that a=28-d. As such, if a+d=x, then x must equal 28.
@rolliepollie941
@rolliepollie941 5 жыл бұрын
Who else checked the comments for 'clues' but realized they were so early that all the comments aren't very helpful yet... Well I did...
@tomassansu3575
@tomassansu3575 5 жыл бұрын
Gifted Guy all you can i find in this section are comments like "fresh dog walker"
@TheReactor8
@TheReactor8 5 жыл бұрын
Simple I had 28 in a minute!! Where the point in the inner square is, is indifferent for the answer!! The inner square (connect half way points) is half the size. Now each of the two opposing triangles of the 4 triangles of the point to the edges of the inner square take half the size. So half the size is 16+32 because half the inner square plus half the outer parts of the larger square equals half the larger square. Now you know that 16+32=20+x and x = 28 Guessing 28 is not good enough.
@shingoukiex
@shingoukiex 4 жыл бұрын
TheReactor8 your explanation makes no sense sir. Your language is so confusing. Without explaining what you mean by inner square. Reread your first sentence starting with “now each” and think if anyone would be able to understand such a long sentence without label or a reference picture. Impossible.
@graciasalavida5462
@graciasalavida5462 5 жыл бұрын
One should make the difference between to guess and to demonstrate. To guess right is good, to prove is better and is real maths. I couldn't solve without pen and paper. Finally found a method different with the same result.
@lubutobwalya5810
@lubutobwalya5810 4 жыл бұрын
I just Love your channel 😍
@problematicpuzzlechannel6663
@problematicpuzzlechannel6663 5 жыл бұрын
ahh nice problem!!
@ratnakarhegishte1286
@ratnakarhegishte1286 5 жыл бұрын
Problematic(puzzle channel) ????
@edmis90
@edmis90 5 жыл бұрын
No. It's NOT a nice puzzle because it requires the knowledge of a geometric formula. A puzzle that requires me to look up a math formula is not a puzzle at all - it's a MATH problem. Disliked this video.
@marcusmees4625
@marcusmees4625 5 жыл бұрын
edmis90 I disagree with you. He doesn't simply produce a formula but explains showing different triangles.
@zjc7353
@zjc7353 4 жыл бұрын
edmis90 Your point: All question with solving geometry problem are not nice puzzle
@danbradley7176
@danbradley7176 Жыл бұрын
The discussion about the smaller triangles being equal was interesting and potentially useful for something else but that had nothing to do with the actual solution. Knowing that the sum of the areas of the opposing polygons being equal is all you needed to solve the problem. I didn't know that so I learned something new today.
@wbfaulk
@wbfaulk 7 ай бұрын
But the smaller triangles is how he showed you that was true. He divided it into smaller triangles, with pairs of the same area, by noting they had the same base and height. Then he took the original polygons and noted what their areas were in terms of those smaller triangles. The SW polygon has an area of a+b, NW is b+c, NE is c+d, and SE is d+a. Then you can note that the combined area of the SW and NE polygons is a+b+c+d, and the combined area of the NW and SE polygons is b+c+d+a. Then you can see that those sums are the same; they're the sums of the same four equivalent areas. The point of the video is showing that that's true, not merely telling you that that's true.
@akhileshg7100
@akhileshg7100 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful explaination sir.. I am ur fan now
@nathanleon2895
@nathanleon2895 3 жыл бұрын
I looked at it a minute and assumed the opposing areas should be equal area since the segments are drawn from the midpoints of the sides and all share a point. Then I did that last line in my head and came out with 28. I was so happy to see my assumption was correct. Not sure if I was lucky or logical, but I feel smart.
@jolioding_2253
@jolioding_2253 5 жыл бұрын
there is another way for this example wich is figuring out the middle worth of every section(in this case its 24) wich makes the square 96 cm² bc there are 4 sections so you just subtract 68 from 96 and you get 28
@NilfNilf1972
@NilfNilf1972 5 жыл бұрын
But if the three known areas have a total surface of 68, how do you get to an average of 24?
@jolioding_2253
@jolioding_2253 5 жыл бұрын
@@NilfNilf1972 i went from twenty to the number wich is in the middle of 16 and 32 wich is 24
@timonburkard3481
@timonburkard3481 5 жыл бұрын
24 is not the average of 16, 20 and 32...
@jolioding_2253
@jolioding_2253 5 жыл бұрын
@@timonburkard3481 i know but in this case the average from the biggest and smallest section is the overall average
@timonburkard3481
@timonburkard3481 5 жыл бұрын
@@jolioding_2253 Thanks, i understand now what you mean. Anyway i do not understand why in general (a+b) + (c+d) = (b+c) + (a+d) ?
@Artaxerxes.
@Artaxerxes. 5 жыл бұрын
Well thank God I solved it as fast as a fifth grader in China. I can be proud of that
@holdthatlforluigi
@holdthatlforluigi 5 ай бұрын
You can show the diagonally opposite areas are equal in a slightly different way: Start by connecting the midpoints of the square's sides. Opposite triangles in that new diamond must have total area equal to half the diamond bc their heights sum to a side length (so 0.5bh +0.5bh' = 0.5b(h + h') = 0.5b^2)
@mdmonjurulhasan6564
@mdmonjurulhasan6564 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the fun problem. The last assumption is making it complicated. I come up with a solution without assuming that. Here is what I come up with: a + b = 16 . . (i) b + c = 20 . . (ii) c + d = 32 . . (iii) a + d = ? (ii) - (i) c - a = 4 c = a + 4 replace c in (iii) a + 4 + d = 32 a + d = 28
@mgr2563
@mgr2563 5 жыл бұрын
I predicted 28 because of the relationship of the shapes but I didn't know that it was the answer 20-16=4 32-4=28 But this thing doesn't apply to everything
@GabbaGandalf-fo7cg
@GabbaGandalf-fo7cg 5 жыл бұрын
I took the Relation between 16 and 32. The middle is 24 what describes the size of all squares If the Point were in the middle. And than Just 24-20=4 so the opposide has to be 24+4=28 ... I think that Always works
@shohaa5736
@shohaa5736 5 жыл бұрын
Same
@brandonservis9791
@brandonservis9791 5 жыл бұрын
LOOL SAME! I THOUGHT IT WOULDNT WORK BUT I DID IT ANYWAYS
@carricto
@carricto 5 жыл бұрын
same I did it the same way
@maybeyourbaby6486
@maybeyourbaby6486 5 жыл бұрын
@@GabbaGandalf-fo7cg I feel like that is mathematically the same as the "sum of opposites are equal" method, just executed in a different way :P
@user-fc1xm9zh5f
@user-fc1xm9zh5f 5 жыл бұрын
I`m Japanese! I love this channel!
@chinareds54
@chinareds54 4 жыл бұрын
If you draw lines from the interior point to the corners of the square, you end up with 8 triangles. Pairs of triangles which share the same side of the square have equal area as they have the same base and height. So you can set up the following equations (i'll use compass directions to denote the triangles of equal area). W+N = 20. N+E = 32. S+E = x. S+W = 16. (W+N)+(S+E) = 20+x. (N+E)+(S+W) = 32+16. 20+x = 48. Therefore x = 28.
@viniciusfernandes2303
@viniciusfernandes2303 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video!!
@bahaaebesat
@bahaaebesat 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think dividing the shapes to triangles helped in solving ... only the fact that the sum of the opposites is equal needed.
@desambio
@desambio 5 жыл бұрын
that fact is derived from observing the division into triangles
@sanpedro5018
@sanpedro5018 5 жыл бұрын
I agree that it is not needed, but it can be helpful for those who don't know/remember that the sum of opposite areas are equal. Here, you have a+b+c+d=a+b+c+d : the equality is demonstrated.
@azsampako2266
@azsampako2266 5 жыл бұрын
You can't proove it otherwise.
@zecatox
@zecatox 5 жыл бұрын
​@@sanpedro5018 > thanks, I was wondering where this "sum of the opposites are equal" was coming from, but this is a lot more clear :)
@parvezmakandar4269
@parvezmakandar4269 4 жыл бұрын
Ya you are right
@matthiasburger2315
@matthiasburger2315 5 жыл бұрын
Here is another simple solution: move the inner point at an angle of 45degrees until you hit the vertical line that divides the square in half. The areas 20 and x will remain constant. Therefore also the sum of the others will be constant (48). Now we have a symmetrical situation on the left and on the right half of the square, so 20 + x = 48.
@smmr5813
@smmr5813 5 жыл бұрын
Why will the areas 20 and x remain same?
@matthiasburger2315
@matthiasburger2315 5 жыл бұрын
SM MR: because the inner point moves parallel to a line that divides the areas 20 and x in two triangles. One of them remains unchanged, the other has a constant height.
@flamingas
@flamingas 5 жыл бұрын
Matthias Burger There are two lines that divide those areas into triangles and they aren't parallel to each other, so how can you move the point parallel to both of them?
@matthiasburger2315
@matthiasburger2315 5 жыл бұрын
Mykolas Karpavičius: connect the midpoints of the sides of the square accross the areas 20 and x.
@RaresLitescu09091998
@RaresLitescu09091998 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! Really nice solution!!
@toanbui6354
@toanbui6354 5 жыл бұрын
I used the "area of the triangle with same bottom and same height" too, but in a different way, first, move the connecting point to the diagonal line (the top left - bottom right one), the area of the blue part and 20-part stay the same, so sum of the other parts still be 32+16=48, and now they are equal so each is 24, Next move the connecting point to the other diagonal line, so two 24-part-s area stay the same, and now each of them is exactly 1/4 of the whole square, so the area of the square is 24x4=96 Problem solved I find it easier in my brain than typing it out, may be it need a visual demonstration to understand it easily
@phungpham1725
@phungpham1725 8 ай бұрын
1/ Given any point inside a square and connect this point to the 4 corners; the sum of the areas of the 2 opposite triangles are equal. 2/Just connect the 4 midpoints we have a smaller square of which the sum of the opposite parts have the equal area. moreover every 4 parts has added up 4 equal triangles so ? + 20= 32+16 ----> ?= 28 sq cm
@coolbojy
@coolbojy 5 жыл бұрын
Alternatively: Draw the inner diamond of the square, where the 4 cornerpoints of the diamonds are the middles of the edges of the square. All edges of this diamond are equal by the pythagorean theorem and the fact that all half-lines of the square are the same size. (1) The angles of the inner diamond are all 90 degrees, proven by the 1/1/sqrt(2) triangles having 45 degree angles. Focussing on the diamond. draw a line with an angle of 90 degrees from all edges of the diamond through the dot. The lines from opposite sides coincide, leaving 2 new lines. Now the base of the triangle is the edge of the diamond, which is the same for all sides. See (1). The height of blue + the height of green is also equal to this. The area of the blue triangle + area green triangle = 0.5 *e dgeLength * height(blue) + 0.5 * edgeLength * height(green) =0.5* edgeLength * (height(blue)+height(green)) = 0.5 * edgeLength * edgeLength Repeat this for the red and yellow area's. The area of all 1/1/sqrt(2) triangles are all the same, therefore, green area+blue area = red area + yellow area I hope it's somewhat understandable
@afrojoe725
@afrojoe725 5 жыл бұрын
This is a good idea but only works if the dot is inside the centre diamond. If numbers of the problem were changed and the dot was outside the diamond this method falls apart.
@afrojoe725
@afrojoe725 5 жыл бұрын
Actually I had a go and it still works if you consider negative lengths/areas in this case.
@Tehom1
@Tehom1 5 жыл бұрын
That's one thing about answering geometric problems with text comments. You can't show a diagram, and describing a diagram clearly is tough.
@TheJaguar1983
@TheJaguar1983 5 жыл бұрын
Once I saw the equal triangle, I was able to solve it. I was trying to do it algebraically.
@anyakedutech6884
@anyakedutech6884 3 жыл бұрын
I spent more than 1 hr to this problem.... played with x to the half of square side, used the equation of area of quadrilateral, and a multiple of other ideas. But i didn't got any answer 😅 you are amazing...
@PYRAMIDHEAD1051
@PYRAMIDHEAD1051 5 жыл бұрын
I constructed an in-square with the outer square's mid points. If the side of outer square = 2x Side of in-square = Sqrt(2) of x Area of the portion other than in-square = 4 equal areas = (x^2)/2 = 12 sq cm(each) (This is obtained by considering the portions with areas 32 sq cm & 16 sq cm) Now , by considering the portion 20 sq cm , wanted area & In-square, The area of wanted portion inside in-square = 16 sq cm Hence, Area of wanted portion = 12 sq cm + 16 sq cm = 28 sq cm
@dad4alex
@dad4alex 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t you just say that opposite quadrants always add to half the square? So quadrant 1 + 3 = 2 + 4 16 + 32 = 20 + n n = 28
@HK_47
@HK_47 3 жыл бұрын
True, but prove it.
@Pippinn13
@Pippinn13 3 жыл бұрын
I just looked at it and had that thought about the sum of the diagonal areas being equal, but just couldn't recall how on earth I'd prove it, years of not trying Maths problems.
@shrutipal1075
@shrutipal1075 3 жыл бұрын
Ya thats what i thought at first
@maplleark714
@maplleark714 3 жыл бұрын
As long as the bases are separated evenly, it's true, and it's proved in the video tho
@Bruno_Haible
@Bruno_Haible 3 жыл бұрын
Sure. That's because the area of one of the quadrants is = ½ (distance from side midpoint to neighbour side midpoint) (length of projection of the quadrant onto the diagonal that starts in the quadrant's corners). So, the sum of the area of two opposite quadrants is ½ (distance from side midpoint to neighbour side midpoint) (length of the diagonal). Since both diagonals have the same length, quadrant 1 + quadrant 3 = quadrant 2 + quadrant 4.
@mymaths101
@mymaths101 3 жыл бұрын
"The sum of opposite areas are equal." Then there is no need to show that the area of a triangle is 1/2 of the base times height. 16 +32 = 20 + ? ? = 28 Unless you are trying to show that this is how it is derived.
@mr.cockroach1027
@mr.cockroach1027 Жыл бұрын
I got it right without all this just in my head. My reasoning behind this is that the 16 and 20 section has a difference of 4, so I subtracted 32 by 4 and got 28. I don't know if this can apply to every other situation, but it applied here.
@supersonicgamerguru
@supersonicgamerguru 7 күн бұрын
You don't even have to go with associative property shenanigans, you can separately prove that 2a + 2c = 2b + 2d. All you need to do is mentally draw in the height lines for the 2n triangles. The combined height lines of opposing triangles are the same length as the sides of the square, and the base is also the side of the square.
@weebdesu1224
@weebdesu1224 5 жыл бұрын
I found this way. If the sides are equally cut then 16+32=20+x And x becomes 28 easy man easy
@auregamiiii
@auregamiiii 5 жыл бұрын
Weeb- Desu yeah I did the same say too
@startup5292
@startup5292 4 жыл бұрын
How it works
@greymyers4087
@greymyers4087 4 жыл бұрын
Weeb- Desu me too
@aaronwarwick9966
@aaronwarwick9966 4 жыл бұрын
That is literally what the video proves, but instead you just said it.
@weebdesu1224
@weebdesu1224 4 жыл бұрын
His vids are good but they are all longer than 10 minutes and i just dont watch a proof of a questions answer for 10 mins
@greymyers4087
@greymyers4087 4 жыл бұрын
I finally got one of these right!
@IAdryan
@IAdryan 4 жыл бұрын
Me too ! :)
@prhamzamaths
@prhamzamaths 4 жыл бұрын
Merci beaucoup à vos extraordinaires raisonnements. Logiques et pédagogiques. From Morocco.
@spacescopex
@spacescopex 2 жыл бұрын
Please have a look at MY SOLUTION: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/npZhlsSTl9TLfWQ.html
@ranierymonteiro4135
@ranierymonteiro4135 3 жыл бұрын
This looks like Vivienne's theorem. Very interesting, thank you so much !
@ralfs7762
@ralfs7762 4 жыл бұрын
This was literally in a math olympiad I participated. I did not finish it, but later I did🙂
@user-lz3gm2fq8e
@user-lz3gm2fq8e 2 жыл бұрын
A similar problem was in an olympiad I participated in as well. Are you Chilean?
@Caipi2070
@Caipi2070 5 жыл бұрын
Lol I took a completely different approach but got the right result. My approach wasn’t that clever, i divided all 4 areas into rectangular triangles and rectangles. I described those mathematically by using one variable for the (half) side length of the big square, one for the horizontal offset of the „point“ and one for the vertical offset. I ended up with 3 variables and equations (each for every known area) which turned out to be very easy to solve after some terms cancelled out.
@derrickthewhite1
@derrickthewhite1 5 жыл бұрын
This is what I did. Its not elegant, and it takes a lot more work, but it gives the correct answer, and requires no brilliance. More interestingly, it gives you the coordinates of that point in the middle. The crazy thing is just how simple it gets when things start cancelling, and you know there was a way that didn't involve manipulating all these terms around. The point is SQRT(6) over and SQRT(6)/3 up. The entire square has a side length of 4*SQRT(6).
@davidgould9431
@davidgould9431 5 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I did: I expressed 16=(stuff) and 20=(stuff) in terms of the offsets and half-sidelength, s, and was able to easily get the offsets in terms of s. Then I spent a few hours down a total rat hole failing to make any headway with 32=(similar stuff). It gave me a quartic for s which turned out not to have easy to find factors (indeed, it turns out no "easy" real roots), so I bailed out on that. Eventually (a good night's sleep probably helped), I ignored the 32= and focused on the missing area, equating its s- and offsets-based formula with 4s² -(16+20+32) hence solving for s. I enjoyed it, but was very grateful to come out of the other side with the right answer! I guess I'll never make a mathematician (too late to carve out another career anyway, now) :-)
@SA38178
@SA38178 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see I was not alone! I used the same method too. The equations were indeed easy, and I managed to get the coordinates of the point and then 28 without using pen and paper.
@TheHuesSciTech
@TheHuesSciTech 5 жыл бұрын
+1, me too. This is the approach that simple exploration leads you inexorably down, without requiring spotting a special"trick".
@stormz4040
@stormz4040 Жыл бұрын
Very great exercise! I didn't make it unfortunately. Thank you for your explanations.
@PlacuszekPL98
@PlacuszekPL98 2 жыл бұрын
"these videos build confidence" not when you have no idea how to solve something
@rahulsingla1710
@rahulsingla1710 5 жыл бұрын
Please make a video on trisecting an angle!!
@asmitajadhav4845
@asmitajadhav4845 5 жыл бұрын
rahul singla We cannot trisect an angle
@ahsaft
@ahsaft 5 жыл бұрын
I don't get why the sum of opposite areas are equal. Somebody pls explain?
@vitornathangoncalves2575
@vitornathangoncalves2575 5 жыл бұрын
OhSaft The explanation is in the video, get a paper and a pen and try to replicate it
@ahsaft
@ahsaft 5 жыл бұрын
Vitor Nathan Gonçalves how do you proove it?
@swingardium706
@swingardium706 5 жыл бұрын
Once all of the a, b, c, and d areas are labelled, you can see that the sum of the areas of opposite regions is always a+b+c+d.
@poisonoushallucinations3168
@poisonoushallucinations3168 5 жыл бұрын
You could try cutting them up into triangles, and since the area of a triangle is 1/2*b*h and they share a common base, opposing triangles, when added up, would have the area 1/2*1/2(Length of cube)*length of cube. Do this for the adjacent triangle in the same quadrilateral and you’d find out that the area for them is half the area of the entire square
@Supremebubble
@Supremebubble 5 жыл бұрын
way too complicated but this was also my first thought to be honest :D
@psydarks4761
@psydarks4761 5 жыл бұрын
Bravo Reio!
@sergeylozovik2437
@sergeylozovik2437 5 жыл бұрын
You're a lifesaver, I already would sell my soul for the solve :). How about Fermat's theorem? :) Thanks to both of you!
@ananyagoel7591
@ananyagoel7591 3 жыл бұрын
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@freemathacademy6632
@freemathacademy6632 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9FnlciElr_GnoE.html
@fetusofetuso2122
@fetusofetuso2122 3 жыл бұрын
28 was my first guess after 15 seconds. Then I let myself get into the mood and my eyes deceived me into saying 20
@Schluis02
@Schluis02 3 жыл бұрын
Me too. I was like: 'hmmm.. let's go with 28' and it worked (this is btw my way of surviving math lessons)
@wisconsinfarmer4742
@wisconsinfarmer4742 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these brain treats.
@sittingstill3578
@sittingstill3578 3 жыл бұрын
I got the correct total area (96 cm^2) by applying principles but directly knowing the geometric rules. This was a good refresher. Usually these videos introduce me to completely new concepts and techniques.
@Shazistic
@Shazistic 3 жыл бұрын
The only person you should try to be better than, is the person you were yesterday -Shazistic
@silverbladeii
@silverbladeii 5 жыл бұрын
Não vi o vídeo ainda. Espero que minha solução esteja correta. Tome o quadrado ABCD e seja *O* o ponto interno tal que *[AQOM]=20*, *[MONB]=32*, *[OPDQ]=16* e *[OPCN]=x* é a área a ser descoberta, onde *M*, *N*, *P*, *Q* são os pontos médios de *AB*, *BC*, *CD* e *DA*, respectivamente. Seja *2a* o lado do quadrado. Veja que os triângulos AQM, MBN, NCP e PDQ são congruentes (ALA) e retângulos. Daí, suas áreas são equivalentes e iguais a *a²/2*. Isso nos leva ao fato de que *MQO=20-a²/2* *MNO=32-a²/2* *NPO=x-a²/2* *PQO=16-a²/2.* Veja que MQPN é quadrado de lado *a√2* (prova deixada a cargo do leitor). Isso leva ao fato de que *[MQO]+[PNO]=[QPO]+[MNO]=a²* (também fica a cargo do leitor). Daí *i) 20-a²/2+x-a²/2=a²* *→x=2a²-20* *ii)16-a²/2+32-a²/2=a²* *→2a²=48→a²=24* De i) e ii): *x=2•24-20=28*. Logo, *[PCNO]=28*
@HenrikMyrhaug
@HenrikMyrhaug 5 жыл бұрын
Easier way: Draw a line from each middle of each side to the middle of it's adjacent sides to create a (square) diamond inside the square. Draw two perpendicular lines paralell to the sides of the diamond that pass through the point and end at the sides of the diamond. Since the combined height of the oposite triangles inside the diamond is the same for the sw->ne and nw->se region, the sum of the area of the sw&ne regions is equal to the sum of the ne&sw region, hence 32+16=20+x x=28
@cheesywiz9443
@cheesywiz9443 5 жыл бұрын
OMG THIS IS HOW I DID IT :D
@uguree
@uguree 3 жыл бұрын
Wow presh I knew your solution simpler but I used this solution: I have drawn height from the middle point into each side of square, for little area I said it h1 and h2, and for other ones 2a-h1 and 2a-h2 Then from triangles formula one by one 4 different equations I found: a/2 (h1 +h2) = 16 a/2 (h1+(2a-h2)) = 20 a/2 ( (2a-h2) + (2a-h1) ) = 32 From all above we find a=24^1/2 root square of 24 Then h1 = 6/(6^1/2) h2 = 10/(10^1/2) :) Unnecessarily found all those triangle areas
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