This whole saga was on my mind a lot over the past few days so I decided to make a little bonus video about it. this is NOT part of the Pinely show canon

Using other folk’s content in your own is already a tricky minefield to maneuver, but clip channels like that wholesale uploading the entire thing and erasing the original creator from its identity is like giving up and jumping belly first on the IED’s, hope that some way to regulate reuploaded stuff like that is available soon for creators like you my friend

this stuff is insane, thanks for speaking out about it - but truly the biggest crime was that thumbnail, lol. big "how do i make sure this looks stolen" energy

The frustrating thing about all this is that, even in the context of YOUR OWN channel, this video (still well-made & articulate, but rushed and reactive) which has a more famous person on the thumbnail has 500k+ views compared to the ORIGINAL video that started it all (the one that took 3 weeks to make full of insightful commentary and great production) which has only 200k+ views. I blame the algorithm. Your videos are fantastic, and looking forward to more. 😊😊

Glad to see this is blowing up, it is a real issue that even relatively small creators face. KZfaq is flooded with so much stolen content these days it's amazing anyone even tries to make an original video anymore, so thanks for all the hard work!

I’m glad you’re speaking up my man

ur so real for talking about this bc this happens to a lot of creators and it’s good to see ppl talking about it especially talking about content farms and how they will blatantly steal content and not credit the OP

How to Steal A KZfaq Video | HasanAbi reacts to Pinely

This is what the official MoistCritikal has been doing for a while and it always bothered me. Because he starts some videos presenting himself as someone that knows about a subject, but then it turns out he just watched a viral video about it. Then he just cut right to the livestream reaction of him watching that video for the first time. Charlie does the courtesy of linking the original video but still, the original creator is the one that makes the content, does the research, the editing, the real work. And it happens that the reaction gets more views than the original video.

I’m the type of person who watches these vods, I never even thought of how negatively it can impact small creators. Thank you for speaking up and educating us on how negative these channels can be!

KZfaq support is insane the creators literally have to cry and beg for their help on Twitter. Crazy part is it's the only thing that works.

Great work dude, you are super articulate in explaining what is clearly an extremely frustrating situation. I mainly try to only watch VOD re-uploads of channels owned by creators who have said they don't mind it. I had never considered the impact it could have on the creator they are reacting to, although reaction content is generally not what I watch anyway. Anyway, this is the first video I have seen of yours, and much like Hassan, I immediately like your content's style.

Someone should make a site where theres every movie and tv series for free but theres in a corner xqc doing nothing.

Content farms are the worst thing to happen to KZfaq.

I feel like creators are afraid to speak out about these things because they are afraid of being seen as money hungry or attention seeking, and it's a shame. I appreciate when creators speak out against what hurts them because it can allow me to avoid those things when I see them. Thank you for bringing this up!

Can't wait for streamers to react to this and then watch it in an hour long compilation

This is what scares me into not making videos sometimes... Seeing other people's videos be stolen (and it has happened to me with original meme edits a ton), is really discouraging to smaller creators who want to put something out there. I absolutely hate content farms jeez. Everyone knows watermarking videos is useless, especially for faceless content. Glad that this was YOUR video, your face, your voice. Imagine if you didn't show your face how much worse the sharing would be... Put your stamp on your videos anyway possible and keep making stuff.

i remember when i initially started watching charlie and hasanabi, i'd get MORE recommendations from these compilation channels than the creators themselves. i'd always find it shady bcuz it'd recc me the same video that i just watched on the actual channel but with the word "reacts" next to it. youtube does not deserve to have this monopoly over video content they're SO bad at handling themselves. the only reason i'm still here is bcuz my fav creators are here. thanks for talking about this pinely man.

The worst part is that NONE of the monetisation of these channels goes to the creator of the video either. It's messed.

React content is some of the lowest effort shlock that anyone can make. There is some very basic value to it, but unless you're an expert or critic with a lot of knowledge on the reacted content, you can't inject any personality.

I'm really glad you raised awareness about this Orr. ✊

Happy to hear that you spoke up about it ! Stealing other people’s work should be hit with a warning. Keep up the good work !

Holy shid. When I saw the title for this video for the past couple months popping up in my feed, I was like "damn maybe reactions streamers ARE the problem." That's because I thought it was their vods and clips that they or someone affiliated with them uploads. And I remember there being a drama between two creators because of these similar situations where one person was accusing the other for stealing their content for reactions, so it struck me as this being something similar to that. When I watched the video finally today, I didn't realize there was like an actual criminal ring that abuses the copyright strike system like this. Sorry about this man. I at the very least hope that your video gets more recognition like it deserves, and at the most hope that these spam channels get regulated and terminated!!!

Reminds me of those "shorts" channels that will just slap on a video of them playing a game below a stolen video. Just plain scummy!

The fact that even big names like Hasan and MoistCritikal can't do anything about it is the most hopeless part of it. What the fuck is youtube team doing??

Thank you man for posting this so I'm aware. I live on these vods and twitch and I had no idea. Great work on your videos, I'll check more of them out for sure. Stay strong brother. 💪

It’s very disgusting and unfair. Hope KZfaq does something about this.

The fact that you had to “make a scene” to get something done is crazy, and it’s sad that’s how it is nowadays. More of us need to make a scene together

Saw you mention this on Twitter, glad to see you speaking up about this! It's a big issue that I don't see being talked about as much as it should

It's funny how those reactors basically do a similar thing but just in a way people think is okay. Reactions take a fraction of the work it takes to create the video that gets reacted to. And even if the reactors are "fair" and link everything in the description or point towards the original creator.. well guess what no one gives a shit, at least a lot less people that would've seen the original video if it wasn't for a reaction. And it's so accepted to a point where creators that put hundreds of hours of work into videos think it's okay and cool if someone reacts to the full video just because they might get " a bit of a push" or because they don't want to seem too greedy. I mean if small creators react the impact isn't that big but the big reactors up top they only grow bigger and bigger because no one other than reactors could hold up with them in term of quality of content. Because the quality comes from smaller creators who don't even get something out of it. It's sad.

Drives me nuts whenever I watch a video essay and then my next reco refresh is like 4 streamers reacting to that video. I watched the original, I don’t need to watch someone else watch it & comment

Been the victim of this a few times now and I'm really glad you made this video. It's something that I think many creators don't want to talk about because of the backlash but I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your thoughts.

Kind of reminds me when Anime Music Videos (AMVs) were really popular 10-15 yrs ago, and AMV editors would post their creations on YT, then these other businesses would collect all the best editors' AMVs & repost them on their channel, and these channels would consistently get a lot more views than the creating editors.

They like doing that kind of thing where they copy paste the whole title before adding the 'reaction/reacting' part at the end so that when you search for the same vid they always comes up either first or second, at the very least add the reacting part at the start of the title.

i watched his reaction live and your video afterwards to see it without all the pauses/stunlocks …. like a good community member 😊

Man I feel this right now. I spent 23 hours making an artwork just to get 1k likes only for the reposter to get 3k. What's worse is he claimed it as his and he doesn't even respond💀

This is not a fan channel. This is an opportunist channel. Any fan of Hasan should fundamentally disagree with this type of content stealing garbage. Sorry this happened to you. I can't imagine how disappointed this must be. I loved the video. Hopefully the extra eyes on your channel will get your views up a bit. You deserve them.

I hate these channels with passion, I remember confronting one channel that was stealing Sidemen content and some people actually defended him, shambles

Hey, not sure if you'll see this, but you should get in contact with Kyle Hill. He's in a different lane of content (science vids), but fighting the same people.

You're so right, I've unknowingly watched so many of these reuploads of Critikal's streams and even got happy to watch him react to videos from smaller creators that i love, but knowing this now it breaks my heart to see that in reality they're being stepped on to make a lazy person a bigger paycheck. As much as I appreciate vods and reuploads as someone who doesn't have time to watch long streams regularly, it's not worth it when smaller creators are suffering from it

Bro he even left your shoulder in the thumbnail 😂😂

This video explaining the situation now has more views than the actual video in question, amazing

Your video? No comrade, our video

theres a creator i watch, mostly because he goes over content that i enjoy and i enjoy his commentary on it. he goes over longer videos, usually the original is over an hour long. something really interesting is that when he does his reaction, he only watches half the video. oh, youre left on a cliffhanger and wish he would just finish the video? well then, you can just go over and finish it for yourself. nothings stopping you, and you really wanna know the ending dont you? its a good way to do react content imo

Found you through Hasan, and it totally sucks that this vod channel has done this. Hoping KZfaq will quickly fix it, even Hasan is trying to get that Copyright claiming channel gone, without taking down the rest of Hasan's fans clip channels.

As somebody who doesn't watch a lot of streams live I find value in reuploads of reactions. But when the video is taking credit away from the original poster and it isn't edited, that really sucks. I just hope that this shakes out in your favor.

He probably didn't even took it down, just made it private or unlisted in order to keep the revenues. 😐

A lot of these clip channels are reformatted stolen or bought channels. They then in turn copyright strike other people's clip channels. It's a pretty big epidemic that hasn't gotten a lot of attention.

I have a feeling that this video right here will blow up, given that it's in my recommended despite me only rarely watching Hasan, so at least something good comes out of this situation. I think you're addressing an issue that resonates with many content creators on KZfaq. It must have bothered them for a really long time, and rightfully so - I wouldn't want people to essentially steal and profit off of something I have worked on for hours either, it's a really simple concept to understand.

What's horrible is that instead of dealing with crap like this, KZfaq stupidly updates their policy, which they don't mention to anyone btw, that gets a lot of videos/channels demonetized. Great job team KZfaq 👏👏👏

Ngl I found the stolen video first, I had to look you up because I prefer watching OG videos instead of reactions. I'm glad I found your channel!

First time seeing your vids, that damn voice is freaking smooth, hate to see scumbags stealing work, you deserve better.

I love how real you are for posting about this on the channel

i love being able to watch this while it's still warm

This is the problem with reactionary and reposting content, so many channels can become huge with needing to put minimal effort and creativity into a project and just benefitting from other people's hard work

It is good that you are bringing this stuff to the light for more people to know. I'll try being more conscious on clip re-upload channels now because of this

This Pinely is becoming more and more underrated...

Been here for about 3 yrs. Ive always loved your channel, even back when you had the suited box character. You have developed so much a creator and Im glad your speaking up about this situation.

This is the first video I’ve watched on this channel, and it just makes me wanna watch the rest of your stuff

Im glad you're bringing up light to something me as a viewer gets frustrated about. I can only imagine your anger.

this shit happening is so unreal and even something as simple as leaving a link to the original video isnt done either ffs

Found you thru the Radicalization video (which I loved). But subbed cause of this one. Thanks for being courageous enough to speak out about a real problem with the platform right now. I hope you keep growing and growing

KZfaq won’t do sh*t until KZfaq creators unionise.

DarkViperAU Was ahead of the curve

Did anything show up in your copyright tab in Studio? Or was it tweaked enough not to show up? I assume if they've been getting away with it for this long, they've figured out a way to evade claims somehow...?

Got introduced to your channel by Hasan reacting to your video - so sorry that this unfortunate and gross situation is your first major interaction with Hasan and his community. I'm glad that you were able to get a boost from him reacting as a silver lining at least. I'd love to potentially see a collab between you and him in the future in some way, maybe he'd be open to it to make up for this business with the clip channel. Either way though, will gladly check out your other videos and stick around for future ones.

You've earn my respect my guy! Thank you so much for participating these out

I approve the usage of the OST from "The incredible: Rize of the underminer". just subbed

I’m so glad you brought this to light. I watched the video 100% thinking it was Hassan’s channel and it’s crazy how these bots and corporations can get away with making money by straight up stealing basically both of your videos 😮

came from hasans stream, fuck that "fan channel" and everything they manage. you deserve so much more love and attention on that insanely well made video, and im so sorry that people just piggyback off hasan being popular instead of giving credit to you :(

I joined a stream a while ago that posed a solution to this problem (by Zoe Bee); get your viewers to watch the video in another tab, and sync your play and pause times, so they get the video + the streamer’s reaction. It’s a bit more work, but it could put a stop to the clip compilation channels, plus the original creator gets the attention and monetisation they deserve!

that channel comes up in my recommendations a lot and i've watched a good amount of their videos, but now that I know that's what they're doing I will definitely stop watching them and try to be more aware of other channels doing the same. glad you brought light to this!

Ive always thought it was cool how hasan lets clip channels use his content but I never thought about how it hurts other creators. You bring up a good point. Also it’s actually pretty easy for anybody to claim or strike a video. It’s kind of a problem how easy it is. You couldve claimed them pretty easily and they wouldve had to sue you in your home country if they wanted to keep it up which obviously isn’t something they’d spend resources doing.

You must on some level recognize that Hasan specifically built that platform by taking videos like yours right? When he turns off his stream, his viewers necessarily have to go watch other creators and/or interface with recommendation algorithms and so end up finding new creators to watch that appeal to their interests. Hasan's goal is to prevent this from happening as much as possible, to reduce any reason for people to watch and/or find other creators. The scheme Hasan and his 'clip industrial complex' run, is to create a situation where he can stay live as long as possible with as much content variety as possible in order to become the middleman for the exposure that you and everyone like you would naturally recieve absent his interference. He does not give you exposure, he takes it. On KZfaq, his goal is to have any spot that would naturally have promoted someone else to show his face instead, and he succeeds in doing this through reuploading other people's videos with his face in and on them. Have you not ever wondered how a person can "give exposure" to creators for 10 hours a day yet have become the biggest US creator on Twitch? How he can "advertise" other creators with thousands of reuploads yet grow staggeringly fast on KZfaq? Reaction content INCREASES the amount of people who watch the one who makes it. It successfully pulls viewers from the wider market, from other creators to the reactor. If reaction content actually lead to people leaving the reactor and watching someone else, they would stop doing it once they recognized this was so or they would simply disappear as they would soon run out of viewers to lose. Funnily enough, being the focal point for the collective works of thousands of creators is a much better spot to be than any one of those individual workers who actually have to create what Hasan grabs with his gluttonous fingers. You will spend weeks making your next video, and Hasan will spend those weeks watching every video made by every creator just like you. You will end up with one video, he will end up with 100s and will never need to open an editing software even once. You and people like you built Hasan's platform, it is a shame you will never see it. What happened to you isn't rare, it is the norm, and it is the entire purpose of his enterprise. He has an unpaid labour force called "Hasan clip industrial complex" specifically to change impressions that otherwise would have promoted other creators on KZfaq, into impressions that promote Hasan instead. You can't beat the middleman. Again, he isn't giving you exposure, he is taking it. Your support of Hasan isn't simply about you. You support him in his lifelong theft of others. This reaction video helped you, what do you think the other millions reaction videos do on KZfaq Pinely? You can recognize a reaction video of your own content is competition, what about the other millions of reaction videos that exist because someone believed themselves entitled to weeks or months work because they sat in a chair and paused a video? How many times would your videos have appeared, but a reaction video appeared instead? How many times would someone have watched you but said "ah well, X creator uploade that 50th reaction video today, so why try something new?". You not only support the harm of yourself, but the harm of others.

Pinely has created the perfect video format... the style in which he holds the microphone.. not afraid to talk about topics everyone else is thinking... etc.

That is why I only watch directly from the creator. If it's a reaction I check if it's their clip channel and not a reposter.

The Hasanabi industrial complex (The group of channels that clips and monetizes clips from Hasan's stream) generally reject Hasanabi Compilations and they have a bad name within the community for how they approach things. Many of the channels attempt to be more transformative with the content and do credit reactions pretty well. Its sad that many of us got here from the love Hasan gave your content but it also took away from your earnings.

imagine getting three weeks of your work just straight up stolen and then finding out that what happened to you is just a symptom of a whole streamer vod freebooting empire

Hbomber guy half inched this video 😮

I click “do not recommend channel” on all these repost channels. There is a lot of JRE clip channels I’ve done that. KZfaq does a good job of filtering and I don’t get that much recommendations like that.

Same thing happens with Critikal’s VODS a lot. Sometimes he’ll react to a channel like Tuv and the reuploaded VOD will get more views than the original

Already comments blaming Hasan 😭 YA'LL WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE COMMENTING PLEASE

lmfao i actually find this funny. a streamer steals content and then a clip channel steals their theft.

Instagram updated an algorithm that favors the original creator. KZfaq should follow suit

man this shit fresh out the oven gotdamn

nah it’s messed up. The least they can do is leave a link for the original video of Pinely, or even edit Hasan’s hour long reaction to the best bits like some other clip channels do. Just because Hasan lets them take his content, they think they can get away with this. These clip channels & reaction channels think they can get away with it under “fair use” but that doesn’t apply to them

I definitely watch a lot of these types of clips and it really boils down to, in general, I’m interested both on the subject and Hasan’s take on it. To me, it seems like original creators should get something akin to music royalties at the very least, probably even during the original react, let alone the re-uploads.

People, please stop flickering the god damn backgrounds!! It's distracting and can give people headaches. Just either put an actual video in the background or speak in front of a static background PLEASE!

I think you made a great decision talking about this. It's really helping bring light to content-stealing channels and the people it's impacting. Thanks for sharing

i hate looking up a video and seeing a wall of "[insert streamer name] reacts to [insert video name]" sorry people are taking advantage of you and your content in this way. its one thing being okay with a big streamer you enjoy putting eyes and commentating on your vids (which is still controversial in some ways, but it's completely up to the individual and i think they've gotten much better with encouraging their audience to go directly to the channels/videos and gas up the people they watch from), but its a completely other thing for a content leech reuploading it on the exact same platform you upload on to take advantage of BOTH parties. i wish there was some kind of real resolution to this, but youtube is too busy being mad at people saying swear words to do anything meaningful. not only that, but it seems like the only real way to get anything fixed is to yell at youtube on twitter or get a bigger creator to also yell at youtube on twitter lol

with shorts, it's happening more often now

Couldn't you take the hassan clip upload it yourself and copy right strike him? Since its all your conten

It’s weird because I had no idea about any of this prior to this video and I binge watched all of your videos last night simply because I love your work. I can’t imagine how that feels. You have some great takes that this world needs

I enjoyed DarkViper's series covering reaction content, he nailed a lot of it on the head. Much love for speaking up on this, I personally think reaction stuff can be cool if it has valuable input, good editing, or something to make it stand out on its own, but a lot of this stuff, especially "content farms" as others have said, end up being multiple degrees of just reuploading others vids, unedited, unchanged & without proper credit

This got recommended to me after I finished watching Hbomberguy's video on plagiarism

I was not aware of this kind of business model existing. I might have watched videos like those instead of the original content. Will be on the lookout from now on.

I love how I got suggested this video an hour after this was uploaded even though I'm subscribed to neither of you. Hopefully this will get more eyes on that essay you worked so hard on.

Only found out about you through Hasan, now I know about and like your content. I'm sorry you had this experience with these scumbags, but hopefully getting more exposure to your work will turn it around and make it into a positive.

Someone should make a four hour video about this problem.

DarkviperAU made a series about why react content is bad and all the "react CC" got their EGO hurt so bad they didn't bother listening and just mindlessly bashed him and sent their army to attack.