I led this lifestyle for many, many years. Growing up in a very devout catholic household, I was an altar boy, lector, went to Mass faithfully, all of that. But I always knew that I was different. Then as I hit 21, I thought I needed to start living how I thought I should live: that is a gay lifestyle. It was a choice, yes, a choice, that I made, and I lived this way for 27 years. Having been in same-sex relationships, having gay friends, basically "being" gay all around. But, around 4 years ago, I had this very strong pull, as it were, to come back to the Church, but I resisted. I can't explain it, but that pull grew stronger and stronger which later I attribute this to the BVM and Divine Mercy. Eventually I realized that I needed to make amends with God and come back to Church. I went to confession and started going to Mass again. I started to pray just a little bit and as more time went by, I started to pray more and more. Today, prayer, going to Mass daily, and to Eucharistic Adoration are a huge part of my life. I have come to realize that I am not gay. I may be same-sex attracted, but the two are completely different things. As Fr. Schmitz said, one is an identity that you choose to be recognized by. I have come also to realize that it's not about me; it's about God. The more I read the writings of the greats like St. Teresa of Avila, St John of the Cross, St Catherine of Siena, Francisco de Osuna, Walter Hilton, Thomas a Kempis, the more, as I said, it's about God. God is the ultimate, the supreme. In today's day and age, it's all about me. This is the trick of the Accuser. God created me and I owe God everything. I owe God my worship and my adoration. I owe Him my life. There are certain priest, Fr. James Martin, SJ, and ministries like Fortunate Families and Dignity that put everything on the person. They teach false love, false compassion and false mercy. They teach a gospel of love and mercy and compassion but forget the other main point: repentance. Repentance is key first. You can't have love, mercy, and compassion without repentance of your sins, but you have to accept your sins, too. If you don't, then there is no mercy. It's about humility. You have to humbly approach God and with your whole heart, you have to acknowledge your sins regardless of what they are. This isn't part of any of Fr. Martin's or Fortunate Family's agendas. Hidden behind a very thin veneer, they want the Church to accept homosexuality as normal. In fact, FF goes as far as saying in their beliefs, that no amount of therapy or prayer can help. This tells you right there how wrong they are. They are saying that God cannot heal the wounds of this sin. That in itself is a sin. Prayer with faith can heal. It might not change the SSA, but it helps you overcome the desires, the concupiscence and gives you the strength. But, you have to put God first and recognize that He is above all and you owe Him everything. If you don't, regardless of what your sin is, you will continue in your sin. We are so overwhelmed today by individual rights, etc., that even if we were taught who God is and how much He loves us, we will tend to forget that and then become blinded by our own individual pride. We have to have the humility to go to God, who loves us more than anything we can ever imagine on in this earth in this life, who is there waiting for us to run to Him and ask for that forgiveness and mercy. We have to turn to Him and trust Him completely with humility. We have to give our day, our night, our lives to Him. God owes us absolutely nothing. It's us who owe Him everything. We want God, who never changes, always was, is, and will be the same, to bend to us and accept what we want namely the right to sin, and God can't and won't ever do that. Until we realize it's not about us, and it's about Him, we will be a slave to this sin or any sin.

Thank you for addressing this. For someone who struggles with same sex attraction everyday is a battle. My desires/temptations are at bay some days and other days it hits like a freight train. Been physically chaste since 2013. Pray for me!

I am a divorced Catholic (my husband (after 30 yrs together) left me and our 4 children for another woman). Even though my pastor assured me I would most likely qualify for an annulment, I knew that really wouldn’t be honest. With tears in my eyes I picked up my cross and carried it. God has blessed me and brought me closer to Him, helping me through all the difficulties life as a single mother can bring. The sexual temptations were there, but with God’s help I remained faithful to His teachings.

I like how you said “Your feelings or experience does not define who you are” and “There is no us and them because we’re all in the same boat when it comes to the struggles of the flesh.” So true.

Father Mike is just a blessing to all God preserve him and bless him. Thank you Dr. Hahn.

I love Fr. Mike because he is not afraid to have difficult conversations. The church needs to talk about difficult things

PERFECT conversation! Beautiful! Such a positive, yet faithful, antidote to much of the venomous talk out there! Mr. Hahn: "I think that we as Catholics have got to not only discover our weaknesses in new ways in order to appreciate God's strenght in new ways, but turn around and admit that with a joyful, honest humility" - exactly! This is the point from where honest - and still faithful - dialogue can be entered with those outside the Church (and within). This is evangelism that is not hypocritical and does not threaten with Hell at every corner and in places where we need to have the humility to say only God knows about this person's destiny. We are here to teach, faithfully, in love - the judgment afterwards (of us all) is up to God.

I have same-sex attraction (particularly bisexualism). And there’s nothing more empowering for me than the Catholic faith to be honest with myself, whilst in a grounded self-control!

Good job Dr. Hahn and Fr. Mike 👍✝️

‘A conversion daily’ - begins with humility 🙏🏻🕊

There is so much wisdom and encouragement in this discussion especially the highlighting of self - it is so easy to become obsessed with this idolatory of self - this is without doubt the temptation of the enemy to draw us further away from the lord - and what Scott was saying about division in relationships/homes/families the enemies tactics are divide and conquer to pick off the sheep when they are away from the flock. And of course the world has put people who believe themselves to have what is deemed to be sinful lifestyles/attractions at odds with 'christian/catholic' beliefs becuase who better to tell christians what they belkieve/think/do/say than non christians/catholics who know absolutely nothing at all about those beliefs or who have a very twisted 'knowledge'. If in doubt at least seek counsel from someone who knows what they are talking about or go to the source but be prepared to act on whta the lord tells you don't expect him to tell you what you want to hear, but he will tell you the truth if you are preapred to listen and hear and act.......

Yes, “There but for the grace of God go I”. I love this. We are all fallen humans. I love the deep heart of Fr. Mike. I feel his grace. We must meditate about this. We all think of “them and us” in everything and that is not ok. Jesus does not do that.

The first 5 mins of this video blew my mind away! Wow! It hit me hard thinking of brothers who struggle with homosexuality while my struggles are different. This established mercy and understanding in my heart.

Father Mike, you made a powerful point about how everyone has something they are struggle with and that puts everyone in the same boat. I don't struggle with same sex attraction but I struggle with other things that separate me from God and hinder me from living fully in his presence. Father Mike, you are such a great voice and role model for the faith

Thank you for this great talk

When Fr Mike speaks, sounds like the video is on 2x speed!

Very powerful

Scott Hahn is on a whole other level

More conversations toward GOD LOVE Will change Hearts ♥️ from flesh to Divine . Fr Mike has openness to reality of sin temptation desire and TRUE LOVE

Mike---sure appreciate you!

Amen! We all need conversion every day so let us pray fornour conversion and awakening of the faith in us and in our sociaty!

“Conversion is something I need everyday” - as someone struggling to go back to fostering and taking care of my faith in my adulthood, this hits me in the gut so hard

Dr. Hahn and Fr. Schmitz are the friends I wished lived down the street. So smart, articulate, and in love with the Lord.

Father Mike Schmitz seemed teary-eyed here.

One things we do know... Fr. Mike is not skipping leg day at the gym! Get it done, bro!

I have met maybe 2 or 3 so called Christians in my whole life who are truly capable of the necessary combination of truth, compassion and humility to have this conversation. The others, 99%, genuinely see one as the 'other', and condescend, 'teach', 'minister,' like the friends of Job, without even being conscious of it. Collectively, the church is usually a very ostracising place to be for people with SSA. Why? Most of what passes for Christianity .... isn't.

This makes so much sense.

Great video 👌

This was so helpful and explained so generously, thanks.I have tried to say the same but it boils down to: They are us, We are them. We all need conversion. Daily.

I think I like FrMike… but sometimes I have to listen to him several times before I get what he’s saying… but that’s probably just me🤪…I try to stay slow 🐌and to stay sane…I’ve had the honor of dining w/ Dr Hahn and he’s amazing man of God~> Good to see these two commiserating with current conversation on important relevant topic that needs discussion and pray for discernment🙏🏼😇🦋🌈🕊✌🏽👼🏽

Love you guys but not as much as God loves you! Keep persevering! God will get you through this

Wonderful discussion!! Thanks for taking this on for our benefit.

We all sin, my sins are different than others', and others' are different from mine. I think they did a great job explaining this. ❤️💙💛

Scott knows all about good and bad diversity. I think we need to teach on this more.

i thought they meant how to talk about HOMOSEXUALITY WITHIN THE CHURCH - specifically within the clergy and hierarchy

Your childhood upbringing shapes your character. Love is from God. We are all loved by the Lord. It is not my place to judge. God created all life. We as individuals tend to throw stones without considering our own failures and fallacies.

The saddest part is... If a person of same sex-attraction is aware of it since their youth, even without trauma--- consider the hardships of how ridiculous that sounds to be not acknowledging who you are? Why should you spend the rest of your life without sincere love and commitment? That is a sin in itself an act that xreates a traumatic butterfly effect. I understand not sleeping around, adultery, ECT. But what is horrible about two males being together it the opposite? At the end of the day we are all composed of souls. The shell is null and void. If you love another soul and commit to them- even if you can't fruitfully produce, it is still love and conjoining in one body of your companion id you dor the rest of your lives conjoin as one and reject temptation . It creates a hardened heart when you here people of "regular straight" connections can connect and share the pleasures god has granted you, but not if you're gay. I always was taught love overpowers all. And commitment is a massive task within itself. And if you stick with that- apart from not having children- why would you be condemned to eternal damnation for loving a soul that God created? That does not sound rational or correct. I don't see the fairness in a homosexual person being celibate for their entire life, rejecting a god-given gift of absolute intamicy because you are aware at the end of the day, you cannot conform to that path. What a lonely life and a lie which is also sinful, let alone the broken families that will be exposed later on when the person can no longer lie to themselves or their partner/spouse/children. There are far worse sins in the world. But everyone is afixated on the gays. Not the murderers, the thieves, the adulterers... But someone who is attracted to the same sex and does not want to live a lie.

When you say I am straight you're saying that's a part of your identity. To reduce a person's identity as an experience rather that a key piece in one's identity is a great disservice. I know Fr Mike is trying to be empathetic to gay people but sadly this message does nothing to make gay people feel any more welcome in the church.

I stand in truth. It is my right to be free of normalcy. If that means I'm WICKED. Then SO BE IT. SO IT IS

As a gay ex-Catholic, treated appallingly by priests in the confessional in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, I can let you know this... for the all the fine words of understanding and compassion uttered by modern priests such as this, deep down you are in their eyes just an almighty sinner, destined for hell. Well they can go to hell in my view.

i like how they treat being gay as a problem

Homosexuality is a natural variation of human sexuality. The church makes it all about sex; even saying saying, "same sex attracted" it breaks off someone's sexuality from the wholeness of who they are as a human. It is the way gay people love romantically, not just about sex. It would be the same as saying to a naturally left-handed person they are "left-hand attracted", or have left-handed urges. How mad would it be to say, " It's ok to be left-handed as long as you don't perform left-handed actions"? Thats how it sounds to me as a gay person.

A humoristic comment. Fr. Mike actually has more to say than Dr. Hahn! at least in this post!🙂

God is infinitely bigger than our sexuality. Focus on God and His Holiness. You can be LGBT but you don't have to give in to the temptations of the flesh. You can be with your partners without committing sinful acts. One does not need to have sex to show love. You can still love one another by taking care of each other as brothers and sisters in Christ, till the very end. It's not easy, it never was and never will be easy, but as shown by great men and women of God and by the Lord Himself, the temptations of the flesh can be overcome. Pray more, meditate on the Word of God more, and spend more time helping each other in whatever ways we can. Sincerely, Your bisexual brother in Christ

When I was younger, I knew a monk who was very obviously gay and openly said so. This troubled me. I knew the bible to say this was sin. I shared it with a priest who knew him and he told me, "I have known this man since his childhood. Do you know what he was called in his teenage? The virgin queen". This made me realise how wrong I was to judge him. But I still carried this condemnation of gays in my heart until, years later, I met a truly good and kind young man who everyone spoke well of - and rightly so. He left a note before he jumped off a cliff and killed himself. He had struggled with being gay and no-one knew. Then I began to research this more. I learnt about 'intersex' babies. It bacame clearer to me that many men were male on the outside and female in their heart - and vice versa. I don't look lustfully at women because I am more virtuous than a man who looks that way at men. They are intrinsicly so and I can NOT judge them because of that. Jesus not only absolutely loves them but, by His grace, I do too. They are really nice people; loving and kind and with funny ways. Sometimes they decide to live together. I don't know whether the church can bless that union but it surely can pray for God's blessing on it, which is slightly different. It makes me awware of how difficult it is to be a gay Christian man. I struggle like mad with adulterous thoughts and inclinations (Matt Ch5) but I can't help feeling it is acceptable, all men do - just as all women are guilty of murderous thoughts. Wrong thinking, I know!. How wrong I am. I am as unworthy as a man who looks 'lustfully' at another man. And that man is as worthy of God's mercy and grace as i am. As a Christian, he or she is as noble as someone who has to accept injury or blindness or other such trial through life. And I am absolutely sure and certain that God looks on gays with great love.

Have not seen the video yet but a like for father mike. 👍🏽

Father Schmitz is great. I loved his interview with Megyn Kelly. Here again he shines. Great compassion. Great willingness to talk openly about the difficult issues of our time. What a beautiful, intelligent, thoughtful person. A great voice for our culture and our time.

Father Mike has a nice farmers tan.

I'm a LGBT Christian, and I really like the tone of inclusivity. Even though we disagree on this topic, I respect anyone who is willing to listen and try to understand. I am trying to understand where you are coming from also. I hope good things happen to you.

Two powerhouses! Amazing discussion.

I didn't think I was attracted to men until I saw this priest. Yowza!

I miss the daily reading reflections 💔😥

You mentioned having priests who speak the truth - they should be saying there is nothing wrong with being gay or the sexual expression of it, but its bad for business, as is birth control, premarital sex, abortion and women's rights... No wonder the church is dying - anything that does not change with time usually ends up going extinct.

i want you to cover a topic based on Priests that are living the New Age lifestyle versus the Gospel. This is because when I hear a priest preach somehow the Gospel that he preaches on the pulpit seems to contradict his actual life outside the pulpit. Lots of justificaation for his actions comes along with it. He tells the lay people not to gossip but he will be the first one to spoil the name of someone who lives with him in his residence or seminary. Gosh. So much of contradictions comes to my mind. Please please come up with such challenging topics. God bless your efforts

You are cordially invited to the Wedding And the Great Feast of the Lord Jesus Christ and His bride the Church to take Place in the Kingdom Of Heaven Really, really soon. No Gift required, He was the Gift for you.

I am homosexual and I have always been so. I was a Roman Catholic until I was 24 years of age. At 24 years of age, I had my first homosexual experience with an adult male. I had to decide which way to go - to be a Catholic or an active homosexual. I decided to be true to myself and to be an active homosexual. As soon as I made the decision, I experienced an integration of personality and I felt whole. I quit the Catholic Church more than 50 years ago. It was one of the best decisons I ever made in my life.

The Jezebel spirit is getting stronger so we must pray for the intervention of our Heavenly father.

This is not something "to deal with," not an ideology, it is A REALITY. It is not chosen, it is not a construct. It is about accepting the way some people connect and love another person. The flesh is not a struggle per se, the body is not a struggle per se, and nothing is intrinsically disordered per se. Being gay is a gift, the body is a gift, the flesh IS A GIFT FROM GOD. God became human, incarnate, for a reason!!! Love is love, is love, is love. PERIOD.

Fr. Mike repeatedly says, listen to the homosexual. But, I don't see that happening in any of these videos. Sexuality is a gift not a burden. That's what we truly all have in common.

I accept myself as a gay man. I also accept that I have a partner whom I supported through three years of cancer. I know that God meant for us to be together (twenty years this year) as brothers in Christ. He was brought up Greek Orthodox. I was brought up Roman Catholic.

Love this.

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It’s very simple, love is love. God is love. Anything that brings love is good, anything that destroys love his bad. The church has changed teachings over the years. Hopefully this will be one of them they eventually change.

I don’t think the church comprehends how ruinous the equating of sinfulness and being gay has been in so many peoples’ lives. If you’re one of those people who’ve spent years trying to be Christian and knowing you are gay, you’ll know what being between the devil and the deep blue sea really feels like. Jesus tells us to love, and yet many gay people have spent their life denying any instinct to get close to others, in fear of what that may turn into. It takes a strong resolve to not be totally messed up, to not have every part of your relationships with others affected, and with how you live every aspect of your life. It becomes you. What kind of sin is it to want to find meaningful love, to want to be happy in your own skin? These men sit and talk about it like it’s a philosophical debate that has no personal effect on them. It’s not a philosophical debate if you’re living it.

Fr mike please

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Thanks Dr. Hahn and Fr. Mike for reaching out to those with same sex attraction. I admire the discipline of those in religious life and others who lead perfectly chaste lives. It would be very helpful if there were a book in which people with same sex attraction explain how they maintain that discipline even when they have close friendships with others. Many Catholics with same sex attraction have found life/soul partners and are in a monogamous long-term relationship relationship. Many of these earnestly wish they could receive Holy Communion at Mass. I know of many such couples who have been together twenty years and one over fifty years. It's difficult to have to choose between what has been a mutually positive relationship of long duration and one's faith. Some have left the Catholic Church for the American Episcopal Church which is similar in terms of most of its doctrines but is generally accepting of same-sex couples. Sorry that this comment is so lengthy. Thanks for reading through it.

When people tell you they are Catholic it's important to make sure they know that "being Catholic is not your identity"

I am gay but I could not accept the difference between the teaching and practice of homosexuality. The church was saying don't do it, but, at the same time, I had several priests and others coming on to me. That was at the time of the storm of the scandal being exposed. I became a hard core traditionalist and an Altar Boy for a TLM. I was very devoted to the Blessed Sacrament and Mary, the mother of GOD but nothing changed. The priests were no different. I didn't feel right so I finaly became an Episcopalian. I accept the things that I cannot change. Now I feel comfortable about my calling. I still serve at the altar but am discerning my vocation.

Someone help me understand this. Having homosexual attractions or desires are not a sin, but acting on those desire is? So, a heterosexual person can have consensual sex with their spouse of the opposite sex and a homosexual person cannot have consensual sex with their partner even if they're legally married, because that's against the Church's teachings? A heterosexual person can act upon his desires but not a homosexual person? How is that normal and healthy?

I do think at a certain point, if you insist that gay love is sinful, you are are refusing to see the real, full, God-given love that we’re showing you. I wish the Church I was born to was willing to see us as we are. Happy pride to all the other LGBT Catholics who end up here 🏳️‍🌈

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Well I'm heterosexual, demisexual but also I have no problems live celibacy and not having sex. The thing that you can't have your own children would be kinda depressing for me if I would be homosexual. If I'm not living celibacy I would have a lot of children, but that's just me. I agree that we have to understand homosexual people and respect them and their feelings and if they want to follow God and they still suffer it must be really heavy burden... I don't like how some heterosexual people who maybe changed 5plus+ partners hate homosexuals and think like they are better people... God bless :)

God does not want people to get rid of what He gave us. If Church stance on this issue (namely, that God does not create trans or homossexual people in the first place but, rather, that their inclination is an intrinsic evil where His will is absent), why aren't we seeing happy, sound, examples of homossexual gay Catholics by the milions sticking to this divine rule of self-hatred? Catholic families should embrace these folks and take pride in that their sons and daughters are non-practicing gays. We don't see any of that though. We see families hiding the truth in front of their eyes, and sons hiding from their families that they "struggle" with it. This is the rule everywhere. Deep down all of them know the only struggle is precisely the one they have with one another. These people begin to hate the truth, not the sin. Cause the truth is for them worse than hiding. Living chastefully under an inclination the Church deems "instrisically evil" could only make them better. Right? But the out of this world number of gays hiding in the clergy prove it wrong: they "worsen" as they try to hide it. As they try to solve it with prayers and rituals. They become hypocrites, lying cause they can't "pray away" their sexuality. Well, what if they knew... God wants them to precisely live like they are? 😅

Sorry but I like beards and stubble. Blessed be God for creating us male and female and so beautiful and different. I'm just saying 🙈👩🏾‍🦯👩🏾‍🦯👩🏾‍🦯👩🏾‍🦯

My path isn't forsaken. How could one say such a thing when you are you are damning your own selves through the torment of other people I choose not to go through.

@9:26 "the Gospel makes no sense"?..."The Gospel is a burden?" Fr. Mike...the Gospel is a story about God who emptied God's self to become human and to show us humans how to keep the covenant...how to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself"! (the Two Tables of Torah!) So very little (if any) concerns over "pelvic matters" are found in the Gospel. The Baptist sent his disciple to ask Jesus "Are you the sent one?" His response was something like "Tell John the blind see, the lepers are cleansed, the lame walk, the dead are raised, and the poor are happy." What is missing from that proclamation? (the gay are made straight? the gender-confused cured?). We should all be blown away by this to the point where the only thing that can comes out of our mouths is Doxology!

Being gay or lesbian isn’t just a feeling, it’s a deep desire to have a spouse, a commitment to that spouse. It’s having an expectation to be safe from harassment at work. It’s being part of a larger community that has many smaller subsets. Also, there is no one gay lifestyle just as their is no one heterosexual lifestyle. There are promiscuous straight people who live a hedonistic lifestyle. There are gay people who are Christian. Being gay is not just an attraction it’s an integral part of who we are.

I grew up awkward around girls. Then during my junior high school days, I often felt urge to hug, have that desire to have physical contact with my closest buddy. But deep inside me, I know it's not the right thing to do. And so I resisted. Lucky me the LGBT agenda is not yet that strong back then when I was growing up. Imagine how I would have proceeded if I grew up in an environment where same-sex attraction is not only not frowned upon, but encouraged? Surely I would be living a gay life now. And about 2 years ago I started reading the Bible. As I read it, I came to the realisation that if we were left to our own devices, we are more likely than not to follow the lusts of our body. We need to be taught and guided that it is WRONG to follow our feelings and pander to lust, just as it is wrong to follow your anger and go hit or kill and to follow your desires and greed to steal. There are truths that should be universally applicable, and adhered to, for our common good. Follow the truths, not your heart. A man's heart is full of, and is directed toward sin.

Viva Cristo Rey!

As a Protestant Christian who happens to only be attracted to men I'd like to know if homosexuality requires an exorcism? I will seek out the help of a priest if so.

As someone who was raised Christian and still loves and has a deep relationship with Christ and is also gay, it is profoundly disrespectful to treat us this way. Anytime someone brings up this talking point, I find it very difficult to stay engaged, in large part due to the jadedness I feel at its repetition. It is completely disingenuous to equate your sin to what you perceive as sin in another as a form of counterfeit pity. If the church actually believes this then they need to promote singleness for ALL, like Saint Paul did, rather than making marriage a sacrament. I am not trying to make a statement about either of y’all’s individual characters, but it’s extremely hurtful and it is not seeing people’s pain for what it is. It’s a flippant way to treat the children of God. Praying for everyone who experiences homosexuality or gender dysphoria and the deep distress that they can bring, no matter what you have chosen or where the Spirit has led you, may you find deep and abiding peace.

When I lived in the United States and in Canada, I knew Roman Catholic priests who led a double life - as priests and as active homosexuals. I met these priests at gay bars and at gay baths, where promiscuous sexual activity took place among adult males. Perhaps, you should "approach the topic of homosexuality" from that angle - Catholic priests who are active homosexuals (in secret)!

what is the word used at 5:58...capusescense? I have never heard this word in 52 years of english.

Wonderful conversation with two of my favorite, holy men. Thank you! I often wonder why every relationship is sexually defined in these times? I am 66 and remember a time when you could live with someone of the same sex, have a loving relationship, but completely not enter into a sexual relationship. What happened to rich, deeply loving friendships? Sometimes I wonder if the media and the digital world have erased this model in favour of depravity for the purpose of reducing everything to materiaism...just thinking...

The only there is to talk is to look what he says in the Bible, and the consequences of this actions!

Actually if you are LGB like everyone else you are called to chastity. God doesn't judge people based upon their attraction to certain genders of people rather we are all judged by God for the sins which we committed. But as sinners because we are all made sinners as a result of original sin we are called by God to repent for our sins as we unlike God are imperfect and we are only made perfect through our Lord Jesus. Jesus wasn't married as His vocation would've conflicted with having a wife and children in which He lived a life of chastity. Think about that Jesus a perfect human living a life chastity denying Himself the material pleasures of this world as one of us. Denying yourself worldly pleasures pleases God. Which is why St. Jerome referenced chastity like gold and marriage in a sense of man and woman being like silver as gold is worth more than silver even though both are precious metals.

To active church members I kindly ask you to defund hate by defunding religion. Stop tithing. Many have quietly made this decision and it’s the loudest voice the church is hearing. Defund hate today. I have and it’s one of the most meaningful and rewarding decisions I have made in support of my gay brothers’ and sisters’ happiness and fulfillment. Thank you.

Thank you both! We need more talks like this to lead us to truth Beautiful video ❤️

Every time ypu like a bloke turn to Our Father. One could see it as a projection of our true love for The Father as we are afraid to express that love. Jeaus wants us to love Him more than any man.

We got to teach children not to lead with sexuality lead with their personality they’re not living in reality Hmmm will never have a happy family

One of the saddest stories I've heard was on Storycorps PBS, called "Under the Influence" by a gay man who had his parents disown him after he came out to them going to college. She burned everything he ever gave her, all the things in his room. They loved him, taught him to be kind but then did this. It has to be religion sadly, misguided. Even after 6 years she wouldn't talk to him. I would never do that to anyone I loved.

We are all running on the same boat. There is no temptation uncommon amongst us

Here is the reality : In total, Catholic dioceses in the United States have paid more than $3 billion in sexual abuse settlements over the course of several decades. Individual settlement amounts range considerably depending on the unique circumstances of each case.

0:34 This is a failed endeavor. No one is saying or that sexuality is your identity. If you can not conceive of Queer people apart from their gender an sexuality then you have already failed to reach out to them. Obviously sexuality is big deal but so is being a parent. You don't have to make being a parent your entire identity to realize that it affects your life and to know when people are trying to interfere. ... 2:05 You can not reach out to Queer people if you assume that you know what they are experiencing. Recognizing commonality is all well and good until you use our shared humanity as a smokescreen for superimposing your own beliefs and expectations onto Queer people. We have common problems sure but that doesn't mean you know what the problems are. As indicated by the fact that you seem to think that homosexuality or is only a result of horniness. Which is false. I shouldn't even have to say that. Queer people are human beings, you can not reduce them to a carcicatured idea of sex addiction. ... 2:55 And this is what I'm talking about. Being gay is not the interchangeable equivalent of your penchant for lying or rage. Reducing it to an "issue" is evidence that you have not been listening. We're also well past the point where you can say that being Queer is a sin or "makes it harder to follow Jesus". That is a claim that recquires justification. You can not just handwave the massive theological debate that is happening worldwide and implicitly justify the years of ongoing violence and abuse. Queer people want answers, and the church owes them that, and much more besides. ... 4:10 I repeat no one has their entire identity revolving around their sexuality. This is simply a lie. ... 5:31 Scripture specifically speaks against enforcing celibacy for those who are not already capable of it. Treating your marital issues as if they are the same as mandatory celibcacy is just anothe instance of why you can not interpret other people's experiences through your own. Saying "I know it's hard being celibate against your will but I can't cheat on my wife so we're really the same" isn't just gauche, it's cruel. Also it's not even biblical, since we seem to have forgotten that that's the point. ... 6:00 Romans 7:6 also specifically states that we are not under the law. Which means that we are under no obligation to follow the prohibitions on certain types of male homoeroticism even if those translations were accurate. ... 6:34 Speaking of self-worshiping, raising priests to a higher level of spirituality is prone to produce priests with exactly that mindset. ... 8:39 Trying to sneak Queer people in through the backdoor of sainthood is not helpful or honest. Any well-adjusted Queer person does not need to be validated by this, they already know that they are the spiritual equals of their Christians siblings. The fact that such validation even has the possibility of working is only evidence of how Queer people have been mistreated and neglected by the church. It's also dishonest because many so-called Saints are hardly good examples. Thomas Moore burned his fellow Christians alive for the grand heresy of owning a Bible do you really expect us to believe that Queer people will be accepted as spiritual equals by the church any time soon when it still venerates a person who murdered people for the far more acceptable "sin" of wanting to read the Bible? This is PR, this isn't the truth. The Church does not view Queer people as spiritual equals even though it should. Why else would their be such a hubub about a celibate gay priest? If we're "all the same" why should it matter with which gender a priest has forsworn? Because large swathes of the Catholic church reject Queerness and Queer people by default and often won't even answer why ... Notice how none of this addresses any issues. Save the very very basic, bare-bones idea that you should treat Queer people like people. It perpetuates false and defamatory ideas about what Queer peopele are and believe. It tries to put sexuality in a separate category of human existence, it projects claims about Queer people without explanation and purports to want to join Queer and non-Queer people while really super-imposing its own views. If this was about treating Queer people the same or listening to them it would bear a stronger relationship to reality.

I just don’t understand bc they haven’t actually said what the church says about all of this. If we are all just sinners and it is “us” then SSA persons should be able to married in the Catholic Church. Also, “we” as women and those who are gay (many are but don’t ask don’t tell) should be able to be priests…after all it’s just “us.” It just seems hypocritical to me. Please help me to understand.

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Where is st Paul center praying for you all

The Church's constant focus on sex and a person's sexual nature will be its ultimate undoing. Jesus never did this, not did he speak much about it. If we are created in God's image, body, mind and spirit, then our sexual nature is holy. Period. Men of the Church, not God, created these problems of ugly division. The Church needs to repent of its sins against those who are sexually "different" and begin to minister to all without judgment.

So just not have a partner and stay single my whole life? Yeah no thanks