How To Tune A Drag Car | Drag-Specific Tuning Secrets [GOLD WEBINAR LESSON]

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4 жыл бұрын

Optimising the power delivery of a powerful drag car can mean the difference between crossing into the other lane and claiming a world record.
In this webinar, we’ll look at some of the special techniques we used to claim 3 import world records on the drag strip. We will be looking at functions such as boost control, launch control, timer-based trims, driver warnings and driver controls and how we apply these using the MoTeC Mx00 series of ECUs.
Due to the current global situation we though over the next few weeks we'd help keep you guys out there entertained and release some of these otherwise 'paid access' webinars to you for FREE to help pass the time.
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@jaimegarciagamundi3800
@jaimegarciagamundi3800 2 жыл бұрын
Nice webinar! You have talked about reading coolant pressure. It helps you not only to check for an early failure on cylinder head gasket but to check for hot spots or coolant flow unevenly distributed, if you have a hot spot you will heve an increase of coolant pressure that will come back as soon as you release the right foot. I also recommend you to monitor blowby pressure. It can save your block from a flying rod
@mc1996
@mc1996 4 жыл бұрын
This is just gold. To bad that not many people will take the time to look at this, specialy tuners all over the world.
@Mitutumuch
@Mitutumuch Жыл бұрын
bigfacts. but somebodys gotta be thebest. 🤣
@twoticks6627
@twoticks6627 2 жыл бұрын
Every car here I have seen banging the limiter leaving the lights squatting struggling for grip lol 4BANGR was the first to blow my mind!! Unreal
@stevenkelby2169
@stevenkelby2169 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for sharing, keep up the great work 🍻
@DCWERX
@DCWERX 4 жыл бұрын
Pure Gold ! Thank you for sharing
@xavierkylo5655
@xavierkylo5655 2 жыл бұрын
instablaster.
@El_Chompo
@El_Chompo 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned the different dyno sheets from different manufacturers having higher readings than others. I've been thinking about this for a while because it really bothers me. Theoretically it wouldn't be difficult to setup a kind of machine that has an exact measurable output that could be taken and put onto different dynos. Then you could say set the machine for exactly 300hp and 300tq across the rev range, and then compare it to what the dyno readout says. Especially in today's world of modern technology. If you had something as consistent as say an electric motor powering the wheels of your test machine, where you could have a current clamp on the windings to know exactly how much electricity is going through the motor, there would be zero room for interpretation or error. Then you could take this machine around to different dynos and ask the owners if they are interested in getting an exact calibration done, or at least a few tests to know how accurate or inaccurate their dyno is. What I particularly don't like is how the two major brand of dynomometers are both considered "valid" results even though one type is known to create higher numbers than the other. It's very simple either one of those dyno types is wrong, or they are both wrong. You can't have two results that are different and both valid that are measuring the same input. I think if you could control the temperature of your test machine that would test these dynos so that it was consistent, and you could measure the current and voltage in the motor windings, and there was no wheel slip on the rollers, you would get a very accurate measurement that would not really be open to interpretation. I really don't think that this would be that difficult to do I guess there is just not enough demand for it. Maybe someday when I have the resources and time I can put something like that together.
@phantomgarage1208
@phantomgarage1208 2 жыл бұрын
While most of your arguments make sense, both of them being “Valid” is not referencing what dyno type puts out the most accurate number. But instead, both types can be used as valid measuring devices and tools to make sure you’re headed in the right direction when it comes to tuning. I’ve seen cars come out of both types of dyno with the same tuner (remote tuner) and put up similar numbers at the track.
@vozhdmeister5256
@vozhdmeister5256 3 жыл бұрын
Nice webinar, really interesting content. Awesome and precious knowledge sharing
@Sweethomemovers
@Sweethomemovers 4 жыл бұрын
awesome content keep it up
@AndrewKobzev
@AndrewKobzev 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
@95turbostang21
@95turbostang21 2 жыл бұрын
He'll yeah 4g63 my favorite motor I wish I had my 95 eagle talon so much money I put into this car and it was a lot of fun driving on the streets
@calageroemichael5563
@calageroemichael5563 4 жыл бұрын
can you do a video on determining maximum boost pressure a car can run vs knock
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 4 жыл бұрын
Andre, I'm not sure if you've heard of this product or not, but it's absolutely worth looking at - especially considering how much you seem to like increased tunability, like myself! [probably going to be a bit lengthy - brevity isn't my strong suit] An alternative to the more traditional inline clutch bleed circuit, like the Magnus unit, worth checking out is the ClutchTamer; it offers a very significant advantage over the more traditional inline bleed valves as I'll explain. Their website is the product name [ClutchTamer(dot)com - I've heard KZfaq doesn't like links in comments now] - don't judge them by the website(not pretty), judge them by the content, very dense with technical information. To the major benefits that this carries over the traditional bleed circuits, like the Magnus product - we know the glaring weakness of the traditional bleed circuits; the inability to control WHEN it slows the rate of clutch engagement. These are notoriously difficult to use in heads up racing because it slows the entirety of clutch travel, not just the travel when the clutch engages(the only part of the travel that you want to slow the rate of), but the entire dead zone of pedal travel before the clutch actually engages too, making clutch engagement rather unpredictable(or, maybe 'predictably delayed' would be more accurate). Where the ClutchTamer offers an advantage over the traditional bleed valves is in being able to infinitely adjust(via a dial, rather than swapping out fixed size orifices) not only the rate of clutch release, but most importantly the point of engagement. Meaning, you can side step the clutch, and the rate of clutch release will be 100% unaffected until it reaches the specific point in clutch travel that you've set the ClutchTamer to engage at. So, unlike with the traditional bleed valves, you don't have to change the way that you use the clutch - you can hold the pedal flat to the floor with both ambers lit, side step the clutch on the last yellow(as you do), and the clutch will drop uninhibited straight to the engagement point that you've set the ClutchTamer to engage at. This point obviously being the point at which your specific clutch in your specific car actually begins to 'grab' or engages of course; the point where you WANT to begin controlling the rate of clutch release. For heads up racing, the benefit of this design goes without saying, it's the difference between being able to consistently cut a light versus having to work around the side effects of one of these inline bleed circuits. Another benefit over the traditional bleed circuits is that this is infinitely adjustable from the driver's seat - instead of using fixed size orifices that must be swapped out to control hydraulic flow, you simply twist the knobs on the CT products to where you want to adjust them to. With the ClutchTamer, you're adjusting the level of resistance of the gas cylinder acting upon the clutch pedal arm. Note they also have a product called the HitMaster, which is an inline hydraulic bleed valve that works more like the ClutchTamer than the Magnus unit. It acts directly upon the flow of the clutch fluid, and I believe(don't quote me on this) that it uses an adjustable needle-and-seat flow restrictor instead of a fixed size orifice, so it's an inline bleed circuit that doesn't suffer from the downsides of the traditional inline bleed circuits(again, like the Magnus piece - not picking on them, they just have the most popular one on the market). I only have experience with the ClutchTamer though, but want to try out one of these HitMasters. And, with the way that the ClutchTamer is designed, it can be used on hydraulic clutches, cable clutches, and mechanical linkage('Z-bar') clutches too, since it acts upon the clutch pedal instead of being a hydraulic flow restrictor. Anyway, I'm not associated with this company in any way other than running their ClutchTamer product myself. I'm using one in a Fox body Mustang with a mild ~375-400HP 306" small block Windsor - running a bone stock T5 5-speed - and 255/9.5" Mickey drag radials. If you know about [US] domestic drag racing, then you're probably familiar with T5 transmissions being made of glass, and running drag radials on a clutch car being a BIG no no(radials only work when you can dead hook them, which is extraordinarily difficult with a clutch, while bias plies work best with some slip off the line, which plays into the favor of a clutch). Needless to say, since bolting on a ClutchTamer, it's been a total game changer - no more broken transmissions because we aren't shock loading the drivetrain, and we're able to dead hook our radials off the line while side stepping the clutch and letting the CT feed in engagement at a consistent, controlled, predictable rate. It's AMAZING for making last second tuning adjustments from the driver's seat for changing track conditions too - you can literally watch the person in front of you make a pass, and make an adjustment based on how they left the line right before or even after doing your burnout, by just turning a knob on/under your dash - very handy. Anyway, I thought this may be the sort of thing that HPA would want to look into, the ease of use and tunability is amazing, right up your alley. It really is the "poor man's slipper clutch", but for the price of an inline bleed circuit, and without the downsides of a traditional inline bleed circuit.
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting us know about that. It's not a product that I've heard of and yes, the conventional clutch slipper valves make it all but impossible to cut a good light with consistency. The clutch tamer sounds like a good step forward for sure - Andre
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 4 жыл бұрын
@@hpa101 I've been really impressed with it, it's a very effective tool for stick shift racers in a time when it's getting harder to stay competitive with a clutch & stick. It's gained a lot of traction in the NMRA Factory Stock & Coyote Stock classes too since rule changes had really hindered the stick shift cars, and I believe the last class champion in one of the two classes was running one too.
@yushanchen4193
@yushanchen4193 4 жыл бұрын
So as I understand it, the clutch tamer controls how much the clutch slows down, and also when it starts to slow down? What is the difference between the slipper clutch and this then? Is it due to the fact that slipper clutches can't control when the clutch starts to slow down?
@blamedair6543
@blamedair6543 3 жыл бұрын
the kitchen looking background is definitely inspired by science garage
@hpa101
@hpa101 3 жыл бұрын
Other way around, we've had this for much longer 😉 I hope you let them know you like Science Garages 'High Performance Academy' inspired set in the future too 🤘- Taz.
@blamedair6543
@blamedair6543 3 жыл бұрын
@@hpa101 ohhh good
@alejandrocasas1455
@alejandrocasas1455 3 жыл бұрын
You are bad ass man...
@Sleepersunfire
@Sleepersunfire 4 жыл бұрын
How fast would coolant pressure rise when the head is lifting? I have been monitoring my pressure and after a few pulls I start to exceed the cap pressure and push out small amounts of coolant. Not a sharp spike in coolant pressure, but say 15 PSI cap, rising to about 20-25 after a 1/4 mile
@trevorvanbremen4718
@trevorvanbremen4718 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Andre, feel free to travel that 1500 or so km back to 'the swamp' anytime you want...
@patbarrett9263
@patbarrett9263 3 жыл бұрын
what are you using for a clutch? are you able to slip the clutch off the starting line? in the US we swap base pressure for centrifugal pressure to soften the launch and allow the centrifugal to lock-up the clutch downtrack.
@questfor10s
@questfor10s 2 жыл бұрын
Does Haltech have all the capabilities that you demonstrate in the Motec in this video?
@ronin7057
@ronin7057 Жыл бұрын
In your course, will there content specific for Drag tuning and detailed ways to set boost pressure, afr and gearing specifically for 1/4 mile? Please let me know
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
We cover more detail on tuning in our course and webinar material than you would need for a drag application. As far as tuning goes, it's straight forward. We don't specifically cover things like gearing however. We are working on a transmission tuning course but that will only apply to automatic transmissions. Your supplier for your gears and diffs etc is probably a good person to talk to when ti comes to getting a handle on that side of things beyond what you can find yourself. Never be afraid to ask them questions. Note though and I think this is where you were coming from, you do not tune your engine any differently according to your gearing. You do things the other way around and your gearing is there to get the most from your engine for your application - Taz.
@TheSol115
@TheSol115 2 жыл бұрын
Andre hi , what ignition coil use the world record level drag car ?
@igqfresh
@igqfresh 4 жыл бұрын
Andre, What is a good car tuners laptop setup: Minimum processor speeds Minimum RAM Minimum screen size Minimum battery life WWAN 4G LTE capabilities OS: Apple or Windows (X86 or X64 or ARM64) Is it a good idea to research which laptop that has the most scaleabilities? For example a laptop that starts out with 8GB ram with a maximum upgrade to 64GB a good idea to consider? Because starting with a laptop with 64GB will cost a lot to begin with where as one can start out with what one needs and then later upgrade accordingly as needs changes.
@scootbmx01
@scootbmx01 4 жыл бұрын
You don't need a super fast or powerful laptop if that's your main use
@samuelmdouglas
@samuelmdouglas 4 жыл бұрын
What are your guys thoughts on intercooled intake plenums
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 4 жыл бұрын
Positive displacement supercharger-style intake manifolds - with a liquid-to-air heat exchanger core mounted in the intake manifold? If that's what you're referring to, they can certainly work just fine, but this comes with its own packaging constraints and can limit the size of core that you can run(likely not a problem unless you're running deep 4-digit HP numbers). You'll often see people take a factory supercharged car('03/' 04 Mustang Cobras are a prime example), remove the blower, put a fabricated hat on the blower manifold, and run a turbo/centrifugal s'charger feeding into the hat, through the stock heat exchanger core, and through the blower manifold. However, the problem with this is that blower manifolds are pretty terrible for anything that isn't a positive displacement blower because they're basically a big open plenum with non-existent runner length, so they produce an extremely soft curve everywhere except the last couple thousand of RPM in your rev range(and the inherent low RPM boost characteristics of positive displacement blowers makes up for these extremely short runners of course, which is how the factories/PD blower companies can get away with it). If this is what you're talking about, but in a more general sense, then the aftermarket makes [hardware, as opposed to chemical] intercooled intake manifolds more viable than the olden days of feeding turbos into blower manifolds. Case in point, check out the VERY popular Holley Hi-Ram manifolds for the LS & SBF(shocking - us Ford guys getting some love for a change! Lol) - these are what you see on basically every turbo LSx that isn't running a stock manifold today, hugely popular and for good reason. Because these are a 2-piece manifold with a lower made up of the intake runners and the lower half of the plenum, plus an upper hat that is the upper half of the plenum, they're very flexible and modular. As a result, the aftermarket offers a lot of replacement hats for these, plenum spacers, and of course bolt-in heat exchanger cores for an intercooled manifold setup. These work VERY well as you can stick a big fat core in there for a LOT of heat capacity/surface area, AND you do so without being forced to run compromised runner lengths as these have nice long runners. Of course, the downside of the intercooled Holley Hi-Ram is that they're VERY tall, especially after you stick that big fat core in the middle of one, and they are NOT cheap by any means. Granted, the only comparable alternative would be a fabricated tunnel ram(sheet metal version of a Hi-Ram basically) designed in a similar way - but that makes the intercooled Hi-Ram look like a bargain...
@samuelmdouglas
@samuelmdouglas 4 жыл бұрын
@@RyTrapp0 yes that is the type of intake im talking also the 2020 supra has an intercooled plenum aswell, what I'm interested in is the pros and cons of having the intercooler after the throttle
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 жыл бұрын
@@samuelmdouglas the upside is that the packaging is much more compact and you could expect an improvement in response. The downside is that you'll generally end up with higher inlet temps than a well designed FMIC. The water to air route also involves more complexity with a pump, lines and another heat exchanger for the coolant.
@SuperPaulfa
@SuperPaulfa 4 жыл бұрын
what compression ratio you are running in the evo 9 ?
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 жыл бұрын
We ran 9.5:1 in that engine because we were running a gasoline based fuel. On methanol or even E85 I'd have stepped that up to around 10.5:1 - Andre
@bigbothoee8617
@bigbothoee8617 4 жыл бұрын
Even if he backed off it's 2 late anyway 12.02
@bigbothoee8617
@bigbothoee8617 4 жыл бұрын
What was the engine built with internals ? Stroker. longrod. Alurods etc..
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 жыл бұрын
If you're referring to the black EVO 9 then it used a 94 mm billet stroker crank, custom JE forged pistons and a set of Carrillo rods.
@bigbothoee8617
@bigbothoee8617 4 жыл бұрын
@@hpa101 that is amazing do you sleeve the block ? Can't say thank you enough due to your vids and some others I was able to tune my own car have a Evo 7 running 579hp 542torque Running adaptronic m2000
@mattk9438
@mattk9438 4 жыл бұрын
Oh... So, whats the story with STM? Is that still in Wellington?
@mattk9438
@mattk9438 4 жыл бұрын
Wait I think I'm about to hear the story right now; I'm 2 minutes into watching.
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 жыл бұрын
I sold it to focus full time on HPA. It unfortunately went donw hill quickly and went out of business about 18 months after I sold it.
@stefanos2574
@stefanos2574 4 жыл бұрын
just asking.are these great vids in hpa.com for gold members too or just on youtube for free?cause i cant find them in webinars at your website.thanks in advance
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Stefanos, they're all in the archive. We won't release them all for free, just thought it might be a cool thing to do while everyone is in lock down to release a batch of them. This is webinar 193. Here's a link to it on the HPA site: www.hpacademy.com/previous-webinars/193/ - Taz.
@juiceman4211
@juiceman4211 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man What estimate hp level you have to be To trap 148 mph in a evo weighing 2800lbs?
@JustKyzuuh
@JustKyzuuh 4 жыл бұрын
Peak hp isn't an accurate measure for this type of thing. You really should be concerned about area under the torque curve, but again this isn't really as relevant as how much power you're able to get to the ground.
@seanpaul8584
@seanpaul8584 4 жыл бұрын
708hp
@seanpaul8584
@seanpaul8584 4 жыл бұрын
www.ajdesigner.com/fl_horsepower_trap_speed/horsepower_trap_speed.php
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 жыл бұрын
If you punch that into any of the various drag racing calculators you'll end up with somewhere around 700 hp. I usually find that a 4WD drag car can't utilise the available power as well as a proper RWD drag car so the actual engine power often ends up higher than the calculation suggests.
@yushanchen4193
@yushanchen4193 4 жыл бұрын
@@hpa101 its funny how awd cars often actually grip worse than proper rwd cars in drag racing... in almost all other motorsports having awd pretty much automatically equals better launch
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