OR..just drive over 65 mph all the time, I found that, that light don’t come on anymore. And comparing it to the 1500 ram I had with the 5.7L , it’s a different tune on the 6.4, it’s only on when going downhill,coasting,or you just had to let off the gas. Once it gets down to around 10 or 15 mph it goes off. The 1500 5.7, hell it seems like it was on a lot , you could even gently go on the gas and gain speed with the ECO light on (sounds like shit tho) where as the 6.4 it won’t do that...so HAMMER DOWN!😜🤣🤣🍻👊🏻good video!

Thanks bro! Just bought a 17 2500 6.4 . First drive was shifting excessively. You just cleared it all up. Thank you very much!

Today bud Your video was by far the most useful for my truck to date

Thanks for explaining that. I've been using the down 'shifter' for going downhills, and haven't used the tow haul at all. Now I know that tow haul might be the best way to go in the sierra hills and offcourse when towing.

Tow/Haul doesn't work for everyone but the +- shifter seems to work for all RAMs that have this feature. Thanks for the video! It helped me get rid of that damn MDS.

Went out just now in my 17 Power Wagon...confirm...ECO does not come on ever on tow/haul mode. Much better driving around in that mode. Especially with my muffler delete setup..like you...sounds awesome all the time then. And I like the shifting in TOW/HAUL mode. Have a great weekend buddy!

Best 6min video to get to know workaround my truck, nice.

Love the channel !

Appreciate the video . I have a big horn 1500 2015 & have wonder about the plus & minus buttons. Thanks for the video

Been looking to get a tune on my dads truck and when I get one soon just for this shitty mds, you’re a lifesaver my guy

Great tip. Thanks for posting. 👍🏼

I love the sound and setup. Btw the dash, aircon, radio setup to look like a ram front-awesome. If you didn't realise go back to where rocker is playing with radio or something, the whole mid dash looks like a ram grill etc

You had me at quick & straight-to-the-point 👍

the best informative video about ECO mode on a ram , ill try the tow haul mode !!

THANKS MAN. THATWAS VERY HELPFUL. THINK THATS WHY THE LIFTERS ARE FAILING ON THESE HEMIS AT SUCH A LOW RPM THEY ARE’NT GETTING ENOUGH OIL. THESE ENGINES LIKE TO REV. HIGHER RPM KEEPS EVERYTHING HAPPY.

Didn't know that info. Ram all the way!

Love your KZfaq videos I have a few questions regarding upgrades for better performance on my 2016 wagon.

i have a 2012 only draw back to using the "tow/haul" mode with the 6 speed it wont use 6th gear while using that mode, but the manuel shift mode works fine, just set it on 6th gear and drive!!!

Very helpful TY for the video! BTW Illinois does suck lol

Awesome informational educational video experience Y'alls

Thanks for the information good instructions

The column shifter is on the 6 speed Ram 1500s, the dial shifter is on the 8 speed Ram 1500s. Not sure if that is still true in the HD models

so what kind of mpg are you getting overall with the 6.4? Your truck is the exact one I wanna get!

So how did it screw up your transmission?

Had a 1500. While I agree with this if you don't want to buy a tuner...the tuner has wheel correction, transmission tuning, engine tuning, etc. Living in the mountains at 4500 ft up to 10,000 feet it really helps the truck. I gained 3 mpg on a mountain loop over stock.

Hey. Thanks for the video. Did the exact thing. Though trial and error. 👍

Interesting. On my 2015 6 speed when I navigate to fuel saver mode. I have two choices. ON or OFF. When I push Off and done the eco mode stays off. Even when turning the truck off and then starting. I manually need to go back to fuel saver mode and push the On and then done.

Video was the answer. Thank you!

In the case of the 5.7 Hemi, one of the inherent reported problems was cam wear over time. In further researching this the cams that were wearing done were the cams related to the cylinders shut down by the MSD system. My solution has been as you show switching out of ECO mode. Using the Tow button lowers gas mileage (it is the same as putting a performance chip in the unit). As far as gas mileage, (200,000 miles and still sounding like a new engine) the ECO mode actually improves very little over turning it off. You need to burn the same amount energy to maintain the same speed running four or eight cylinders. I know some would dispute said statement but it is true. The computer compensates with fuel to the injectors to make up the difference.

Once I set my gears (+-) to 8 which is highest gear. MDS is turned off and I can drive around without a problem while all 8 cylinders are being used? Do I need to downshift a gear, for example come back to 3rd or 4th gear when coming to a stop or not necessary?

I own a 2015 ram with the 5.7 and 8 speed trans. my truck will run mds at any speed under 75 usually with Hwy tires and good gas but when it comes to a half ton ram 2015 - 2019 classic the only way to disable MDS it to turn manual mode on turning tow and haul on does not disable mds in the half ton line The only issues with mds I’ve personally seen are with the mds lifters because of the size/weight of the mds lifters they can wear out faster than traditional lifters at least that’s my understanding I like mds at certain cruising speeds but if the rpms are too low it makes a little vibration I don’t like. I recently bought a 2019 with e torque and it doesn’t seem to go into mds mode as often and there is no mds vibration/shutter the transmission also seems a little smoother although it’s the same trans as my 2015. I’ve had many rams over the years with and without mds, I’ve never had major problems with any of them

Good explanation 👏

MAN that thing is a beast!

Realize, that your mds lifters are actually getting more oil in 4 cyl mode. Oil pressure to the lifter bore is what lets the lifter collapse. The best way to do this is delete the mds solenoids with the proper plugs, and replace your lifters, and get a tune. Then the lifter bores get xtra oil all the time. Ive noticed about 3 mpg difference in my challenger but im sure a heavy truck gets less.

In the left gauge cluster what does that icon with the up and down arrows with the truck in the middle mean? It looks like the wheels and tires glow orange. I can’t find it any where.

any way to make the Hemi a Dodge neon 4cyl

straight to the point no bullshit subscribed

The reason the roads are so bad is because someone decided to remove all the feet pads on the snow blades. .now the actual blade scrapes the road instead of being up a bit. .so everything it hits it chips up..thanks smart person for all of the pot holes

What happens if you do both the tow/haul and the shifter method at the same time? I guess unless you were planning to only shift up to a certain gear, for example 5th gear, the shifter method wouldn't really have any effect if you were in the tow/haul mode.

What exhaust do you have?

Do you have to do this everytime you start the truck? Or does it save your settings?

Just tried this on my 2021 DT 1500 Laramie with E-Torque Tow haul cancels out MDS on mine awesome thanks

That should have been a 10 second video. Put it in manual mode and MDS will not come on..done.

Always been a Gm fan,recently got a ram 1500 for a nice deal however and I noticed it’d “bubble” I figured it’s in 4 cyl sure enough I was right, thanks for the video really annoys me with the excessive shifts

I have a 2011 sport 5.7/ 5spd with MDS and I have never noticed a change in sound or anything that corresponds with that system engaging / disengaging. I do however notice a difference in RPM at highway speeds if I opt to manually shift down to 5 with the stick. The ECO light goes out and my RPMs hop up a few hundred reminiscent of a lockup converter disengaging or coming out of OD. Upon clicking the stick to + the ECO indicator comes back on (no change in sound) but the RPMs drop back down again. So at the risk of saving my engine by not engaging the MDS system, some of you stand by your claim that there's no savings in mileage with MDS as compared to no MDS, cruising at 65mph and 400-500 more RPM as opposed to letting the MDS shut off 4 injectors and run at 500 lower RPM????

so i have 2019 ram 1500 5.7 hemi... if you set that gear on the right to 8 it will still shift up and down automatically? or do you have to manually shift up and down all the time?

dragging around four dead cylinders...that would be like I was married all over again

Haha might work on the 6.4 and maybe some of the newer trucks, but kills fuel economy on my 2012. First of all the tow/haul mode on my truck just completely disables 6th gear. I guess it can be said that the eco mode did not come on at all, but I also burnt half a tank of gas in a day of my normal driving. Also the gear select on the older trucks (at least mine) does not disable MDS according to my cluster, however does seem to give slightly better response.

I was on the freeway with my ram that I recently purchased it’s used a 2014 1500. Accelerated and the motor cut out at 104 Mph it was like a governor kicked in with that be the MDS? Let me know thanks

I'm in central Illinois. Just got a 17 Ram 2500 6.4, crew cab long bed.

My 2017 tow/haul mode mds still kicks in.

I am dealing my 2011 with mds for a 2019 with 5.7 hemi . Are the newest versions still Problematic ?

My 2016 2500 with 5.7 doesn't show a green light for Evo mode coming on. How can I tell if it's got mds

If I would run in Tow Haul 100% what would it do for gas milage? My truck is a 2010 1500. Thanks

in a 1500 with an 8 speed tow haul doesnt deactivate it, but putting the trans into "manual mode" does.

I did this in my Jeep Grand Cherokee and I put 130k and no lifter issues. Also I drove from Orlando to Miami with eco mode on, then drove back to Orlando in all 8 cylinders and the fuel mileage was exactly the same. It doesn’t save you any gas. All it does is destroys your motor.

My 2012 Laramie 1500 5.7 4x4 has this MDS and it sucks. It gives our engines cam issues, worn lobes, or timing chain issues. Very dumb design. I deactivate mine by keeping it in manual mode, and keep my gear on the highest level. Thats 5 for my model. I have a 545RFE transmission, with 201k miles, luckily I haven’t had any “Major” problems other than replacing the clutch packs in my tranny, but just regular maintenance was required on a few small items, alternator, starter, and brake replacement a couple times. I changed the belt twice, once at 100k, the other at 200k, and just changed my shocks all the way around. I lucked out, My Ram has been real good to me, I maintain it regularly, definitely keep the oil changed in these every 5-6k, the internals will last a lot longer, and use full advanced synthetic oil by mobile 1, with an added half qrt of lucas oil stabilizer. Thats what I e been doing the entire time, and it’s obviously paid off. Nice vid guy.

Thanks for the info

that sounds like a exhaust brake on a truck lol I kind of like it

I have a 2010 5.7 2500 and i have had my mds being really finicky. Honestly its not even working because im getting 9mpg average.. I plan on getting mds completely bypassed using the chip you can put on the gas peddle which is what my local shop guys recommended. Does anyone have the system or has had any problems with it? Need the help.

On my 2017 ram when in tow it's like it won't shift all the a way to 6 wish there was a way I could get my tpms trash hold lowered so I wouldn't have to clear it out every time I crank it

2009 4th Gen here. Truck just started shuddering here and there in fuel saver mode. My shifter is not on the steering wheel

2019 - RAM 1500 5th Gen's don't have the ECO mode. Tow/Haul is the only way to disengage the MDS System...(I was wondering if the 6.4 Hemi's had MDA).

how do you verify that it isn’t just the eco mode indicator not coming on?

I bought a Borla cat back. I don't notice the tone difference between the 8 and 4 cylinder modes

Tow/haul down shifts a gear also.

I have a 2008 5.7 I turn off the over drive then I get the whole engine moving when I merge onto freeway I turn it back on

I have a Jeep Commander with Hemi and I wished the MDS was MORE AGGRESSIVE. So how can I make it stay on longer???????????????????

Good vid and yes, Illinois roads suck! I'm all familiar with them.

IWrocker, I watched this video yesterday (3/7/20). So, this morning on my way to work, I tried the tow/haul mode 1st. My mds/eco mode kicked in after 35mph. However, by using gear selection plus/minus it kept my mds/eco shut off. Thank you for the video. Do you know if programmers can deactivate the mds permanently?

Just use the gear limiter buttons on the steering wheel. If your in "manual" mode it disables mds. You can just use the +/- put it in 8th & it will shift like normal with no mds

5.7 2016 limited. Don’t know if I have it or not

Dude I'm so glad I found your channel, I baby my sport lol. Your truck is sick, love it . I want to get an exhaust system, any recommendations? 🤘🤘🤘🤘

I have a 2017 Ram 1500 5.7 and never seen the Eco light on, why is that. mine is a 8 speed automatic, is that why

Does the same procedure work on a 8 speed ?

So I have a 14 ram 1500 hemi. I have the 8 speed transmission. Found out the tow haul won't shut off the eco mode or the shifter buttons on the steering wheel. On the radio go to settings then display scole down to fuel saver it should be on press off and it won't come on again. So you can do this instead of spending money on programming

I have had some people say yeah but you disable the Eco and it hurt your gas mileage. Well I have taken my truck out and run the cruise control with the Eco shut off between 55 and 60 mile per hour on our secondary roads, and I seen maybe only a mile per gallon difference. But honestly I did not buy this thing for the mileage I bought it for the looks. So in my opinion screw mileage. When I get in that thing and fill it up with gas I'm heading somewhere where I don't give a s*** about mileage LOL. So just use the paddle shifter depending on what transmission you have, mine has the 2013 6 Speed, and run it off from eco. Have not noticed any issues, no noises... Nothing

With price of gas in Canada jumping up everyday I am starting to appreciate my MDS! Gives me another 50-75 km in a tank on my 05 Magnum RT

Are you in manual mode or drive?

You right. It is a goofy shifter.

How do I deactivate the mds for a 2017 DodgeDurango RT?? Many thkx and big like😎🙏

Had my truck for 3 days before I reloaded this . Got help u if u needed a video .

Hey I just purchased a 2019 2500 6.4. It has the 8 speed. Is it ok to stay in continuous tow mode.

With MDS on it sounds like a tractor and I actually like it

Caddillac used the mds years ago it was a disaster back then i had a caddillac with it and it was a disaster ! I took it out after blowing head gaskets twice ! Im sure if it gave caddillac head problems its probably going to give a hemi head issues especially with aluminum heads on a cast iron block.

It will still shift past the number you set it at. It will just hit max rpm before shifting. At least from my experience. Won't even hit rev limiter just shifts where it would if you where to floor it.

I have 6.4 Mega Cab and I don't think MDS comes on nearly enough. I wish I could manually keep it engaged.

It sucks to have to do that but I do, an I hate The traction control device , but I do like my PW. Good video n IN roads suck also’

Serious question. I just bought a power wagon of my own sounds like yours and mine are set up very similar. I'd like to know what kind of exhaust you have cause that's the sound I'd like on mine.

What I don't get is why they don't give you an option to just disable it on the display completely like on the Hellcat you have an option to leave it in 707 horsepower mode all the time or 500 horsepower or eco mode

MDS is also on the 6 and there is no issue at all. Why? I am over 200K miles and still going.

Roads look smooth compared to Nampa Idaho's Roads.....(been on smoother jeep trails)

amen hellinois roads are bad, also my problem here was deer.deer proofed my truck so im good now:)

How do you do this in an 08?

How do you do this on a 1500 model

This is all good. If u dont mind 30mpL

Does tow mode turn it off?

My 2016 Ram 1500 CCSB 4x4 Lonestar still has MDS when in Tow/Haul mode, even when I’m pulling my 28’ camper at 7k lbs.

So what your saying is you should have gotten a tuner bc it screw up your transmission

Hey Ian,have the same truck, but I am tired of shifting the damm plus EVERY TIME I get in the truck! Isn't there a way to shut down the MDS for good?? Help