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How to use FX Send and Return - Part 1 - Allen & Heath QU series
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@luks_-vj8yb 24 күн бұрын
It's crazy how easy you can explain things i love your account and come back often
@SachiJones 9 күн бұрын
This actually helped me finally understand how to set up an SQ5 for sending effects to a different mix. Now I'm sure I understand the principle, not just the procedure. Thank you for the thorough explanation.
@dcgreen1987 2 жыл бұрын
Finally. A proper explanation at a good pace for newbies. No extra jargon that wasn't needed within the video. Too many get distracted and go off course. Thus losing the newbies! Thank you Rob!
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for the kind words. Glad it was helpful
@TimOost Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, I use the mixing station app for the qu line and couldn't get the fx to work. Turns out there is a master send for the fx, thanks!
@garymccrady6015 2 жыл бұрын
Just want to take a moment and say thanks for your videos. I became the sound engineer by default because no one else took a real interest in learning how to operate the QU 32 desk that’s used our small Community theater.
@dcgreen1987 2 жыл бұрын
Similar situation myself. Great boards though aren't they!
@mattibiskit 11 ай бұрын
Allen & Heath need to pay YOU to do the tutorials. Brilliant! I’ve had a Q PAC for a couple of years. Always struggled with this for my solo gigs. Between A&H’s and every church ( nothing against places of worship ) poorly done tutorials - this is the best! Thank you many times over 😁. Thank you for keeping it short too. I actually watched it a couple more times. Given its short- why not.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 11 ай бұрын
Thx very much for watching. I appreciate the kind words. Glad you found it helpful
@bretthuber5558 3 жыл бұрын
I was struggling to get effects in my singers in ears, and your video was exactly what I needed!
@soundadvicewithrob3083 3 жыл бұрын
Thx Brett...glad you found it helpful
@andrewcanavan7543 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! This is so helpful to finally understand. I usually consider myself techy lol, but could not for the life of me understand the Allen and Heath send/return, mixes, outputs. Thanks
@57RickH 3 жыл бұрын
I think I need to watch this a second time to completely grasp the send & return feature - this video seems to spell it out. I’ve watched a couple of other videos prior to this and came away as confused as before I watched them, lol.
@sammythefox1057 15 күн бұрын
We couldn't get it to with via the board, changing the settings didn't change anything. It is almost like the fx is muted? But I went through everything and made sure none of the fx channels were muted. We specifically wanted delay. In the app for the board we can change it fairly easily. As someone who doesn't know much about sound equipment the video explained the "send and return" quite well, it clicked when you said/showed it.
@lyric939 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We've just returned to live worship and I needed a review on the fx capabilities
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
Thx. Glad you found it helpful
@darkstardan3309 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is great and very helpful for those of us who learn differently.
@sebastiangomes6036 Жыл бұрын
Explained very well! Thank you!
@johns4365 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob.. I am finding your videos to be very useful
@soundadvicewithrob3083 3 жыл бұрын
Thx John. Glad to here it.
@Mr_Brooklyn_Truth 4 жыл бұрын
I remember the Nano. It may still be in storage with my Nano bass :)
@matt69cp 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for the explanation Rob - that was great! 👍
@soundadvicewithrob3083 3 жыл бұрын
Thx. Glad you found it helpful
@XIIMonkeysMusicGroup 2 жыл бұрын
Haven't done this in 2 years! Forgot how to do it!
@jordannourry7959 19 күн бұрын
Merci frère !
@benjaminf.8456 4 ай бұрын
Hey Rob! Thanks so much for your clear and concise explanation here. I'm a little confused about A&H's choice to refer to the FX Master Faders as sends, but regardless- should those FX Send channels be routed to the LR, or just the returns? I don't want to create a feedback loop where the return is going back into the send or something like that. Thanks again!
@soundadvicewithrob3083 4 ай бұрын
Thx for the feedback. As I mentioned in the video, the concept of send and return comes from the analog days when signal was “sent” out of the board to outboard fx units and then “returned” back to the mixer as a processed fx. As such Fxsend and FXreturn work as a separate independent signal path. FXsends does not yet have any fx applied so no point sending to LR. Only the FXreturn is routed to any output since that is the signal that has fx applied. Hope that makes sense
@VagPoop_ Жыл бұрын
beautiful explanation 💗
@jaydaves6835 2 күн бұрын
Rob, I just got the Qu-Pac 32. I am needing to send the LR to the main speakers for the congregation. Then I need a separate monitor feed to the singers and band. Lastly I need a feed that I can use for Live Stream - this feed I need to compress so that when it peaks it doesn't distort. Would you recommend me creating two FX Sends to achieve the two extra sends or is there a better way to do this? Can I have the compression settings on the FX sends different from the LR send? I do love your videos, you do a great job explaining and helping it to make sense. Hope my question is ok in this forum.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 күн бұрын
@@jaydaves6835 FXsends are just for … FX. They send a signal into one of the FX engines so these won’t be what you use for what you need. The easiest is to use a Mix Send for your band monitors and a second Mix for your Live stream
@jaydaves6835 2 күн бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Can I then control the sound on those two Mix Sends independently from the LR?
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 күн бұрын
@@jaydaves6835 Yes absolutely
@lscossar Жыл бұрын
Newbie here. For whatever reason, after years of being around mixing boards of various kinds, this FX send and return process is difficult to wrap my head around. Your patience in explaining it is appreciated. At about 5:50 when you're explaining how to get the effect into the LR speakers and the monitors, you explain how to control the amount of the effect with the FX1 Ret slider. But I notice the FX1 Send slider is also up but with no explanation. Did I miss something? Or with all the many other things to explain did you forget to mention that step? Thanks for a great tutorial on this.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
Thx Lawrence. Glad you found it helpful. If you rewind to about 3:15 you’ll see that I do mention that the “send” side needs both channel levels plus the FXSend master level. At 5:50 I have changed to the upper level and what you are seeing is the duplicate of the FXSend master. Notice that those channel markers have a square outline which indicates those faders are actually “copies” of the 9 output master levels. They are simply a convenient way of having all 9 output masters in one place
@lscossar Жыл бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 This is where the reasons for things being set in certain ways gets cloudy for me, but for now at least I know the FX1 Send needs to be up on the upper layer (by rote rather than knowing why). On a different subject, in your example with two singers, is it true that controlling the amount of reverb with the FX1 Ret slider in the upper layer would change the reverb amount equally for both singers? If you wanted them each to have different amounts of reverb, would it be better to have the reverb amount set by the FX1 Ret slider in the upper layer at a nominal level and control the wetness of the reverb individually in the two mic channels in the FX1 layer? Thanks again for your help.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
Let’s start with the FX1 Send… the upper layer fader is a “copy” of the master control for the FX1Send layer. It appears on the upper layer just as a convenience to have all masters in one place. As to the reason for the master, just imagine LR with channels turned up but the master fully down - you won’t hear any channels. Same theory applies to FX layer. You need both indivual channels turned up as well as the master
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
On the second question… in my example I have assigned toe separate mixes to those two singers. The FX return in unique to each mix. Since you can adjust the FXReturn for each mix, the amount of FX is separate for each singers / mix
@breadlordz Жыл бұрын
Could you pl tell me which carry case you used for your QU16.. it fits perfectly.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
It’s the SKB R100. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1119881-REG/skb_1skb_r100_roto_molded_10u_top_mixer.html
@HaharuRecords 10 ай бұрын
Does sending the signal to stage monitors also require FX Rerurn?..please help I am in so much confision on this part.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 10 ай бұрын
Yes. all FX involves FXsend of channel and FXSend main into the FX engine. Then using FXReturn on ALL outputs to dial in the amount of that FX that you want to appear in the output (which includes aux/mix outputs that feed monitors)
@lscossar Жыл бұрын
Sorry for so many questions, but as I mentioned this subject is one of the most confounding for me. With your help I'm getting clearer, both from carefully watching your great videos and from your patient answers to my questions. From a different source I've become aware of a potential issue when using effects in monitor mixes. When I try to apply the warning about this issue to the Qu-16, again I get confused. Apparently on most consoles if you're using one reverb return for different sources (for example a vocal mic and a snare drum mic) and you're sending the reverb to different monitors (one for the singer and one for the drummer) and let's say the singer doesn't have drums in his monitor mix. The singer will end up getting just the wet signal from the snare drum in his monitor. So the solution is to use completely separate effects sends and returns for each source. Is that how it works on the Qu-16?
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
Yes that’s a correct summary
@lscossar Жыл бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Ok thanks. Presumably that means following the same procedure to add reverb to the second source but using a different send and return. So if FX1 is in use for adding reverb to the vocal mic, I would want to use FX2 to add reverb to the snare. Likewise, I would set the amount of vocal reverb going to the singer's monitor using FX1 Ret and the amount of snare reverb going to the drummer's monitor using FX2 Ret. Does that sound correct? Thanks.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
In a nutshell that’s also correct. To send a diff reverb to two diff destinations you need to start by sending to two diff reverbs/FX
@MikeSilv Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!!!
@superconnie5003 3 жыл бұрын
4:38s when was the FX1 'send' level [Ch 8] adjusted?. The fader is already up.Who brought it up?. As soon as you pressed 'upper layer' at 4:28s FX1 Send and FX1 Rtn faders auto moved. How come?
@soundadvicewithrob3083 3 жыл бұрын
When looking at the upper layer you will notice the last 9 faders labels have a box around them. This indicates that they are copies of the 9 Master faders for each output and are labeled accordingly. They are just there for a convenience of have all masters in one place.
@DelMonacoMat 7 ай бұрын
Hi.. i cant hear the fx on the mix outputs.. Only on the main outputs... Is it normal? Thank you for the reply.. Nice video!
@soundadvicewithrob3083 7 ай бұрын
Its only normal if you’ve set it up that way. Referring back to the video, you use the FXReturn on each output (including mix outputs) to dial in the amount of FX you wish to hear. Since you can already hear FX on the main outputs, then FXSend is correct, you just need to go back to each FXReturn
@DelMonacoMat 7 ай бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Thank you for the reply, I understood why I didn't hear the effects on the mix outputs: when I tried to listen to them I had lowered the level of channel 1 on the main outputs to zero, so the channel 1 signal was not sent to the effects processor. So I have a question. If my band has to test the monitors without the signal from the various instruments going to the main mix, also listening to the effects, if I mute or turn down the main main mix (I actually mute the master, leaving the levels high), I should still hear the effects on monitors, right?
@soundadvicewithrob3083 7 ай бұрын
Yes. FX are typically postfader, which is why the FX disappears “everywhere” when you shut down the ch1 fader on LR output. Using the LR master fader mute should allow ch1 signal to be sent to the FX
@ukphonebook 2 жыл бұрын
Rob - I have watched this several times and seem to have followed what you have done. My problem is; I get the FX in LR, but no matter what I do, I cannot seem to get the FX in any of the mix slots. Any idea what I'm missing?
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for the question John. I do walk thru the process step by step in part 2. If you haven’t seen it pls check it out. Otherwise make sure that none of the FX send or FXreturn channels are muted and that they are set as prefade
@jasonfranks8772 2 жыл бұрын
I’m in the same boat. I think I’ve followed every single step, but no reverb in the monitors. Any other ideas?
@jasonfranks8772 2 жыл бұрын
Finally got it! The FX sends were set as post fade. Thanks so much for the videos and replies Rob
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonfranks8772 in reality (and by default) FX are typically set to post fader. Usually you do want FX to follow the LR fader changes. Eg turn down a vocal mic using LR and you typically want the FX to follow and turn down to match that mic. Little point to turn down the mic but the reverb (for instance) to continue at full volume.
@andybenson5952 2 жыл бұрын
very useful video but I think (might have missed it!) that you didn'tmake the point that the FX sends (on the layer) need to be at unity before you start to allocate FX across the channels on the channel strip or it just don't work......
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for watching. I think about 2:50 I did mention that you need both channel level and master level for the send.
@andybenson5952 2 жыл бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 yes I think I get it. But another thing I can't figure is say the vocalist wants reverb on the monitor mix but not on the LR mix or vice versa can you dial that in. It seems that if you adjust the setting on the one it changes the other too. Is that right?
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
Also why I recommended that you set the send to unity and adjust the amount of FX using fxreturn in each output. That allows you to adjust the monitor without effecting LR
@andybenson5952 2 жыл бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 OK will continue to fiddle about with it. It's a proper brainteaser! And thanks for your prompt attention and help; it;s appreciated.
@andybenson5952 2 жыл бұрын
Rob - hope you don't mind me bothering you but I have a different query now. Using the copy and paste buttons, it is posible to copy/paste one monitor mix to another but not to or from the LR mix. Is that right or does this use a different facility?
@ohimah Жыл бұрын
God richly bless you for all your input to sound improvement to our humanity. Please Rob, i have been trying to solve our livestream challenge at church of clipping/dirty sound using QU-32 through mix 9&10 as my output but no solution. This happens when about 8 singers sings simultaneously. Please, do I have to reduce each mics HPF? God bless
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
Thx for watching. “Clipping/dirty” usually points to improper gain structure. I have another video that specifically speaks to setting proper gain. If gain is not set correctly, there’s no way to “fix” the sound down stream. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n598asiAq8vUZY0.html
@ohimah Жыл бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Thank you so much Sir
@paigecardwell5645 Жыл бұрын
First off, i love your videos!! They help so much! Secondly, (sorry if i missed it) is the FX button a mix or a group??? I noticed in your video about assigning groups, you had to press the Assign/Select buttons and take it out of the main L/R mix. But here, it seems like it does it itself. Is that correct? Also, on the first layer of your FX1, after you turn up your channels & Main L/R, should the FX Send fader but up on FX 1 button and all the other ones as well?? Thank you for your feedback and again thanks for your great teachings!
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
Thx. Glad you found it helpful. Technically the FX is a Mix. By default all ch are assigned to FX sends so there shouldn’t be any need to change that assuming some else hasn’t changed that.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
Not sure I’m clear on your second question. When you select (SEL) on the FX1 layer or any layer for that matter, the Master fader is now the master for that selected layer. Changes made to that master as with any ch on that layer only apply to that layer
@paigecardwell5645 Жыл бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Okay awesome! I’ll try it out at church and we’ll see how it goes. Thanks!😁
@wheelz_A-OK 3 жыл бұрын
Rob: I've noticed the Qu16 has FX Send only on FX1 and FX2, and thanks for showing me how to send a feed to Fx3 and Fx4 ... I also note you tend to keep the SEND on Fx1 andFx2 at unity ... My question is, "why do they even have SEND on Fx1 andFx2?" ... it feels like they had a couple extra faders slots to fill. Is there a better explanation? WHY - since you have return control - why would you want to reduce the "send" to Fx1 and Fx2 Thanks
@soundadvicewithrob3083 3 жыл бұрын
JD Rockefeller Thx JD...glad to help. The FX1&2 master sends are most likely provided just for a consistent format and layout of the board. Every send (including L&R plus all mixes) follow that format of channel sends, plus a master send. They do also provide that overall level adjustment function. If you wanted to reduce everything sent to an FX you have that option. Also having a master send fader allows for other functions like a single mute button for all sends. I use that all the time when doing bands, to cut all vocal FX between songs when artists are talking. Without a master FX send, I would not have a master FX mute :). Hope that helps.
@stuartwilson5536 Жыл бұрын
Some engineers like to control the wet and dry signal path. In both the sends and returns. It gives a different dimension to its sound. Wet signal is reverb signal, dry signal is no fx. When retuned to LR you are still producing 100% dry signal thru the channel. And 100% wet signal thru the return.
@tedtan6449 Жыл бұрын
What's the model of the alesis Effects? I could use such for car audio. In between pre and main in on amp.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 Жыл бұрын
Thats an Alesis Microverb II
@johnjunietify 2 жыл бұрын
What option do you choose for the drop downs on the back panel (Unassigned, Insert, Mix->Return, Ch->Return) and (Input) on the QU-32?
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
I have another video that explains these options. They are are typically used to dedicate an FX to a single channel. Since the qu33 has all four send layers you don’t typically need the Mix option. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jsqfpNiazJvFeok.html
@johnjunietify 2 жыл бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 right. We've been communicating on a different video. I'm trying to continue that conversation out of context without warning to you. Lol. Sorry. Trying to add effects to four mics on our QU-32, did the one FX per mic channel, am trying to get them all into FX1 via the return, but it's not working because I don't know what drop downs to choose.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
No problem. If all 4 mic’s will use FX1 then simply leave the back panel set to unassigned (eg you are not assigning this FX to a single channel). Then simply use the FX1 send layer and bring up each mic as you choose
@abixedits7515 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing really helpful!!!
@soundadvicewithrob3083 3 жыл бұрын
Thx very much. Glad you enjoyed it.
@Kazemijazi Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@superconnie5003 3 жыл бұрын
5:18s only the FX1 'rtn' fader is up. Shdn't the FX1 'send' fader also be up?.Sori for these Qs confused...
@soundadvicewithrob3083 3 жыл бұрын
Quite right. Think you’re the first to catch that LOL At 4:57 I incorrectly shut down the FX1 send while looking at the upper layer. I did fix it at 5:40. Oops
@superconnie5003 3 жыл бұрын
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Thanks for these vids -they are gems. Simple and concise explanations about the rather convoluted efx path on the Q series.The 'Gotchas' too....
@soundadvicewithrob3083 3 жыл бұрын
Thx for the kind words! Glad you found it helpful
@opuscreativehouse9338 2 жыл бұрын
How can I control reverb in channel individually, suppose in channel 9 need more effect but channel 10 need less. How can I do that. If channel 10 & 9 send in unity level then If I move fader in return then all channel will be effected. Please help me to solve 🙏 this.
@soundadvicewithrob3083 2 жыл бұрын
Great question. This is when you do in fact need to use the channel send to adjust the amount of reverb … when a single channel needs a diff fx than other channels using that same fx.. Just remember that when you do adjust a channel send, it affects all locations where that effect is being returned. If you want a finer control of a single channel vs other channels, then you would consider dedicating an FX to just that single channel. The challenge on the QU series is that there are only 4 FX builtin.
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