It's actually pretty effective. Although the lack of melee defence does hurt in actual melee combat.

@@TheVikingGeneral reject samurai. Return to portuguese terço

Yes, but Tercos already performed better unupgraded with higher armor and accuracy (and comes eariler). And if you are other clans you would not use matchlock unless imported anyway.

@@jlima5509 Yeah, as Otomo, I recruit my Tercos from the Armorer settlement, and use them as front line infantry with guns. Back them up with Fire Rockets to rain death.

@@TheVikingGeneral you could use the carrolean stratagy with sword wielding musketeers and a minority of pikemen with morale buffs and experience advancing against enemy lines into close range before firing devastating volleys and charging

The name of the game is empire total war

Yup, sadly that's the way they implemented it. But I guess they probably didn't expect people to be good enough at the game that the later arts are kinda useless. I've never even finished the final art for example.

@@TheVikingGeneral Irl, Oda Nobunaga had access to guns as early as 1549 (4 years after the campaign's start date). This is far before any clan gets even close to guns ingame except for the Otomo, even if you ignore Chi and rush guns. This should've been enough of a hint to CA that the gun techs need to be changed, but unfortunately the only way to fix it now is with mods. My buddy and I have been playing a lot of co-op Shogun 2 over the past few months and after trying both variants of the mod, we just can't go back. We're both huge fans of vanilla style Shogun 2, but this mod makes the game both more fun and more historically accurate. It how the game should've been from the start. Edits: Thanks for all the content btw! I'm always amazed by how active the Shogun 2 community is, even 10 years after the game's release. I picked up the game in 2016 and my buddy had basically never played tw before a few months ago. The fact both of us love this game so much despite having no nostalgia for it shows how amazing the game is. I love variety and replayability of Warhammer, I enjoy the difficulty of Attila and it's awesome battles, but I always go back to Shogun 2 after getting my fill of the others. It may not be as replayable as the other TWs due to the smaller map and lack of variety, but what it does do it does near perfectly. And then of course there's FOTS which just takes Shogun 2 to another level. My friend is still waiting for a sale before he picks up FOTS since he doesn't wanna pay full price for a 10 year old expansion, but he already knows he's gonna love it.

@@zktwo Haha, glad you enjoy the game in your way! Personally, I don't play with mods for total war games (except empire I guess), but mainly because I don't want to (ok, I can't) choose a mod and stick to it. I'll end up spending more time modding a game than playing it xD. On the concept of historical inaccuracy, the Egypt faction from the Rome 1 game (and soon the remastered as well) is highly inaccurate as well. I do think CA does their research, but changes some things in a way they think will be more fun. Luckily people can use mods if people feel CA made a mistake. I would maybe also check out instant-gaming. (not affiliated, just personal) It's like G2A, but ran by a company which is able to get keys cheap. So no shady person to person selling going on.

I would say that it depends because if you play Oda early rush type campaing then you won't have enought time to properly build your pike and shot army for ottomo they get acces very early so it doesn't matter where the tech is but with most other clans you might want to prolong your campaing to build up your economy enough to not strugle during realm divide which means that if you play shimazu or takeda getting the tech isn't realy too big of a problem but at the same time most of the other clans will have no use from using matchlocks since superior bow range make it simply better and even if you want to play with boomsticks recruiting rocket launchers is simply better

Sounds tough but fun!

Instructions incomplete, i cry first and conquered china

The Mongol Experience...@@flaggy185

Perhaps, but they are definitely fun to use :P

Haha guns go boom

Yeah they could treat the Tercos like UK, US & France Marines in FoTS by limiting the number of units recruitable

Well, it's actually quite effective :P

@@TheVikingGeneral well, why not use in conjunction of melee and archer support.

@@fletcher-ashipwithmanysist4282 because that limits the time you can spend blasting

Kinda fun, praying for Christians to arrive :P

Pray? This event is triggering around tour 40 ( im not sure if it works the same way for all clans, but for Oda it's work)

@@konanpl8936 It depends on the clan you play. You get it earlier the further west you are on the map.

You can get it the earliest in the southern island, one of the clans there already has the building. Capture the province and you'll trigger the event automatically

@@profhobo8681 Yup, the Bungo province (held by the otomo at the start) starts with a nanban trade port.

Hope you like it!

Glad you like them!

Glad I could help!

Yeah, I with that mod it sound like they become more viable.

I think such a video is warranted

Honestly, fire by rank is usually better just because it allows your gunners to be more compact. LoS is so valuable for gunners so having 1 thin squad hogging the best shooting spots justs makes your other gunners manoeuvre unnecessarily which is v dangerous. Single file can work if they're the only gunner unit in the area and you just want a quick, powerful volley off.

@@TheVikingGeneral can’t wait to see it

@@Jazzcat135 FbR would be better if it worked. Problem is, FbR simply does not work. I've seen multiple times when enemy cav runs head first into matchlocks set to FbR and never receive a single shot because of the absurd delay. Sometimes the same can happen with enemy infantry as well, and it is due to how picky the game is with the formation. If one man is not 100% in place and ready the cycle does not start. Such pickiness is also why the "Tosa Shuffle" occurs, which you see in FOTS when a unit is taking a lot of fire (The lads just shuffle about as they reform rather than returning fire). If FbR worked properly I would use it constantly, but getting it to behave is a nightmare. Much better is to get a mod that removes the really stupid lock that makes it so only the front rank can fire (A lock not present on Donderbus and Mounted Gunners, dismount those lads and every dude who gets Line of Sight on a target fires) and permits Kneel Fire. That lets you fire 3 ranks deep (Sometimes more) without the nonsensical delay.

@@demomanchaos what's the name of the mod

Glad you enjoyed it. :)

Thank you, will do!

I mean, what else are we/they supposed to play?

I don't really play with mods sadly ;)

I currently have quite a long list to work through before I get to those units I'm afraid. :(

Ooh, that sounds fun indeed.

@@TheVikingGeneral I do need to give Matchlocks in Campaign a chance in any case

That really helps yeah, but I find by the time I unlock gunpowder mastery, I pretty much don't need them anyway. :P

The sad reality

mods...

I can put it on my to do list, but I'm not sure that it'll be helpful for you if the video comes out :P

@@TheVikingGeneral yeah that campaign is already over. Moved onto FotS

Yeah, I haven't really minmaxed the rushing of the gunpowder mastery, but it's still a long time without getting anything else.

I found it easier to grab 2 schools as a seaborne southern clan, since you can get 1 in Kyushu, then sail up the coast to grab the one near Kyoto (and Kyoto itself if you dare).. It's the path of least resistance, since the central region has too many great clans to fight through- especially the Takeda-Hojo-Imagawa triple alliance..

Pretty much :)

I don't really play with mods sadly :(

There's a reason all armies use guns now. And the bigger the better it seems.

Yup, that's the sad truth of the matchlock units in shogun 2.

@@TheVikingGeneral 👍👍👍

Napoleon and Empire Total War are my guilty pleasure. I don't know why, but seeing the smoke everywhere, cannonballs flying round it almost feels like I can smell the gunpowder.

I played Empire and Napoleon first and then decited to play Shogun 2 just for the Otomo xD@@TheVikingGeneral

I hope he's okay, I've been seeing how he was active to respond (by hearting) to every comment up till 3 weeks ago he stopped, and his last reply was if he's okay and he said no at the time of asking, got me worried not gonna lie.

I'm not okay indeed, but I will be returning soon. I hope. I have planned some time to work on videos tomorrow. I have explained more in detail on the discord ;)

Yes

I mean, you can, it's just not as effective as other methods

@@TheVikingGeneral yea of course, but it wouldn't be enjoyable as being the only clan having fire arms

At your time of asking, not really, but I'm doing a bit better now. ;)

I don't know much about multiplayer, but dealing with an army full of portuguese tercos would be terrifying.

@@TheVikingGeneral no matter how much you charge at them they'll just pull back and the tercos behind them would open fire

Well, he's technically not killing them, he's convincing him to lay down his arms permanently. ;)

Boshin wars?

@@imperialchimpanzee122 oops. stupid of me. fixed it.

I mean, if I recall correctly during the Roman period, the main ranged weapons were slings and thrown pila.

@@TheVikingGeneral Yeah, you are right about that. I wanted to include two games that both newer and older players could relate to and was a bit hasty about it. Now, what would be equivalent during the Roman era? Something that defined the combat of the time, it doesn't have to be a ranged weapon... For campaigns that start during the early republic the late game technology is going to be sword and shield infantry. After all, during the time of the Samnite wars Rome transitioned from the using the greek phalanx to using the more flexible maniple system of hastati, prinicpes and triarii where all had swords except for the triarii. Well, now you will be using the greek phalanx untill the late game and that is only if you are willing to neglect a bunch of other research. Becuase the Rome games cover such a large area different nations will need to have different things locked away. For Carthage it will need to be galleys and for Parthia it will need to be cataphracts and horse archers.

@@mattislindehag3065 Oh yeah, I understand your point, I was just a little confused with the bows and Romans :P I think that the developers made a deliberate choice there, but I'm not completely sure what the reasoning behind that was. I mean, if we look at Rome 1, one of the biggest ahistorical aspects is the Egyptian faction, since during that time it would be a mainly greek cultured faction, like the seleucids. It probably has to do with balancing actual history with fun gameplay.

Haha, sorry no, I'm 'just' pretty ill. Hopefully I'll have some new videos soon!

@@TheVikingGeneral Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Being sick sucks i hope you get better soon