After meeting him twice, Chris Via is my favorite pro to learn anything from. Such a nice calm demeanor but with enthusiasm and knowledge of the sport. Definitely a class act.

I like these kind of videos, it is something all two handed bowlers should learn! Thanks Chris!

Great video. Always wanted to understand drilling better and this helps. You would have thought I would have learned that while bowling in college.

thanks chris this was well explained!

Oooh, I like this type of informative content.

Excellent content. I've been getting lots of questions on this very subject and there isn't much information out on it. Well unless you go to a class and I don't have time for that 😅

I'm glad to finally hear someone call a shorter pin to center of grip distance a 2H equivalent of a pin down layout. I've been saying that for a long while, and always get "2H bowlers can't use a pin down layout". It's not the pin location that's pin down, it the VAL angle, and a short pin to cog is a big VAL angle... so it will be a pin down ball reaction, even if the pin isn't actually below the fingers. I have a Hustle USA with 5.5 x 5.5 x 1, and it is super smooth pin down reaction shape. I have trouble with anything where the pin to cog is too long though, 4-5" distances are just way too over under for me. I tend to stick to 5x5x1 for control, and 5x5x2 or 3 for more shape on the back end.

Chris is awesome. I went in with some noobie questions and after hearing me out he picked out a perfect fit for me. Finally was able to be competitive on some lanes I’ve always struggled with!

Hi Chris, met you a few years back at the first Kegel 2 handed camp for coaches and players. I came with Tristan Crawford who is now bowling with Milligan U at Tennessee. I converted to 2 handed as a senior player last year and have enjoyed the journey of coaching and competing with the new style. My PAP is similar to yours .... 5 3/8 over and 2 3/8 down. My speed is slow at 14-15 mph off my hand, but I like my ball motion through the pins. I use a 5 1/4 PIN to PAP and 0 PIN to center of grip in SYMs ... puts the PIN in my ring finger. Haven't experimented yet with ASYMs. I recommend you try a 0 PIN to center of grip (in ring finger) on a medium Sym like possibly the IQ Tour. Your speed would have to be slower (est 17-18 off hand) so this would be an option for flat patterns later in the block when you are in front of the ball return. It may allow you easy length with still strong recovery and good motion through the pins. I think its worth testing. My 14 lb ball hits like a truck. Good luck to you and Michael with the upcoming start of the PBA season. Love watching you guys in action!

Fantastic video and I wish there were more informational 2 handed bowling info.

Liked and commented for the algorithm. :D

My pro shop guy is awesome. He bowls on the tour. You might know him Chris. His name is Deeronn Booker. Thanks for the helpful video too.

I have BOTH those balls and LOVE LOVE LOVE them

My left ear was lonely during this 😂

Thanks for the video just got a Summit thinking of going with a 4 x 4 x 2 layout. Haven’t use this layout before. What would I expect with this layout thanks.

Hi, would like to seek your suggestion. Which 2LS drilling is the best for fresh oil in your opinion? I personally do well with the 4x4x5 for the transition phase.

It's crazy how in-depth this gets when I can't even find a proshop that can consistently drill the fingers with the same pitch 😂

This is the most easily understandable video of the layout system I have ever seen in such a small time frame. I just have a question on what the final layout numbers on the proton physix and the fate is after drawing those lines. Since the 2ls layout is usually a finalized 3 number layout such as 5.5 x 5 x 2 or 5 x 4 x 3.5, I was just wondering which of the 5 numbers in the system is used for those 3 numbers?

I see a lot of videos explaining layouts for 2 hander which is nice but could anyone explain finger pitches and a good starting point

Thanks Chris for sharing your thoughts on 2LS layouts. The video was really informative. I like the new direction that this channel is taking!!! I do have one question on the PIN to PAP, flat portion of that bell curve. Would a distance that is close to 0 create the same ball motion as a distance close to 6.75? In other words, would a 2" PIN to PAP be the same as a 4.75"? Thanks again...well done video.

How about Asym Pearl balls. Do you use the same layout like solid Asymm? or do you use stronger layout to Asym Pearl balls?

Hey if your pap is up do you invert it down?

Hi Chris! I hope to meet ya one of these days and maybe play a game with you. Wanted to get your thoughts on a few layouts. Right now, in the league, I have the 2 versions of the benchmark 2LS chart, but I'm now playing in more tournaments and sports shots. I recently bought a Fate, Rotogrip wildstreak, and a DV8 Collision seeking a layout suitable for long, short, and occasionally may use them in league. Any advice is greatly appreciated. I'm hoping to drill these balls over the weekend. Happy New Year!

I don't have much power/speed on my ball.. Is 5 3/4 x 5 x 4 1/2 a good layout?

what is the name of that ruler you are using to find the measurments?

Thank Chris for informative contents. I'm wondering infinite or proton which one would you prefer to use for most of time no matter how hard or easy the oil pattern is. I have issue that can't throw big asym ball well, however, i do want to drill one good one to bowl more on the lane 🤣🤣. Grateful for your feedback in advance.

Chris, I bought an Axiom used and re-engineered my layout based on my PAP. With the holes already in the ball, the layout is 3 3/4 x 3 3/4 x 2. What can I expect from this type of layout? I’m left handed as well and never really open my angles: very rare for me to stand past 30.

Do other 2 handers on tour use very long pin to pap distances like you? Thank you!

what happens if my layout goes through the CG, does it affect the ball reaction?

Would anyone be able to tell me what Chris 2LS dimensions he used for the Fate? He listed off 5 different numbers so I had a hard time figuring out what was the final layout.

Beautiful work ‼️.. but it sucks cus pro shops don’t care about stuff like this . Just be drillin lol and get then mad when we ask for different layout and stuff we see on KZfaq

Can you do 2ls on a 1 hander and just measure to center of hand between fingers and thumb or just continue on normal vls layouts with a pin buffer measurement, because i never understand what the pin buffer does exactly

Hey Chris thanks for doing this video. I am currently using dual angle layouts. Is there a way to translate that to 2ls? The proshops around here are unfamiliar with 2ls so I'm kinda stuck with dual angle.

I have a question, I have a vertical pap measurement of 2’ up so does that mean I draw the lighting arc below my pap? Closer to the cg?

With pin to cg of 6’’ the aggressive ball become mostly unusable but on badger pattern it should be usable?

Would the PAP be different if you use different release positions? For example - up the back vs coming around the ball. Thanks.

Is there a huge difference or difference at all between drilling a ball for a 2 handed bowler compared to a 2 finger bowler that only bowls one handed?

My proshop guy told me that as a 2 hander my track will always be over the finger holes and there's nothing I can do about it short of changing my throw? Do I need to find a new proshop? Thanks for your guys help!

I throw 2handed and wondering if I really need to know my PAP. The shop I go to is not at an alley and they basically drilled all the new balls I have to match my layout I was using when bowling traditionally with an “aggressive” layout about 3-4” above the middle finger and 1” to the right. I no longer get my thumb drilled but have the same layout, they roll great for me and never got checked for pap. Am I just lucky? Lol

So what if my PAP is 5.25 and 0? Does that keep it the same for the horizontal and vertical arc? How would you draw the lightning arc for that?

I can only hear this video on the right side of my headset... it hurts

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No offense to the good PSOs out there. But the two bowling alleys I go to the Pro shop operators could care less about doing your ball right? They don't care about PAP. They just want to stick two holes or three if you have a thumb in the ball and call it a day. They moved fingers up or down depending on if you want stronger a weaker really generic quality of service. At both the shops and I'm in Sacramento for reference. When I asked them to measure my PAP and do a proper layout they get pissed off. The one at AMF in Sacramento actually said he wanted to punch me and I just left because I didn't want to knock him out and I decided that I'm going to do my own balls. So this is why I do my research now because I'm not going to pay a bunch of money for someone to mess up my balls and give me attitude about it. I appreciate the help. Chris, I'm just trying to be a sponge now and learn how to do everything myself. I know a lot of you out there have or are great PSOs and that's a great thing to have, but if you don't have one you have to take it in your own hands like me either buy a drill press or whatever you got to do to make it work.

Sound is awful, only right ear