I think they got what they deserved but they should’ve kept Königsberg. ;)

i wish the soviets hadn't been given an occupation zone but that wasn't gonna realistically happen so yes i say it is fair

They seem fair. Germany did many crimes against Poland so the poles had to be compensated.

@@Veriox22 in the end its the people who suffer. The moving of all the germans out of there former homes, should have been prevented.

They didn't do enough

@@dropkickthedecepticon4009 And it wasn't just the Germans; the Soviets, particularly Stalin, were responsible for countless genocides, cultural genocides and forced deportations under inhumane conditions of some ethnicities to Siberia. Not to mention their persecution of religious people.

You know what else was horrible? the Jewish holocaust. the massacres of gypsies. the forced expulsion of minorities. the burning of books the concentration camps. experiments on humans. all things made by the Germans. Was what the Soviets did wrong? Yes, but the Germans killed more than 20 million Russians between civilian and military casualties. Did they perhaps expect immediate peace after losing the war?

Bavaria is basically the Texas of Germany.

As a german, I agree with your comment. But since you mentionned that the eastern territories of Poland were inhabited mostly by minorities, let's not forget that the parts of germany that poland gained after the war were inhabited primarily by germans at the time. The practices you described (polonizing and expelling minorities) happened to germans in these regions that have been german for centruies. Yes, germany deserved to be treated harshly after WWII, but displacing millions of innocent civilians is never a good thing... I think it's important to be honest about how the redrawing of the borders after WWII caused a lot of suffering and a huge wave of refugees. But: That doesn't mean i want these territories "back". Again, displacing civilians is NEVER a good thing. Making those regions german again would mean displacing millions of poles who have now called the regions home for generations and cause only more suffering. It's best we acknowledge the past but try to forgive and make peace with it, in order to be friendly neighbours today. As far as I know, most germans think that way and german and polish people get along well, so that's definitely a huge step into the right direction.

Poland shoulve just gotten königsburg and the USSR should've given back the eastern territories I know it would've been impossible to get them to agree to that but still

To my compatriot who has started this conversation... The nationalist rhetoric is lame, but do you know what's also lame? This self-hatred "we weren't perfect". Imagine yourself that some girl got r-ped, it pushed her into a psychological trauma, and to get over it she becomes religious. But in her religiousness she becomes so obsessed with a desire to be good, that she starts overreacting and interpreting every tiny thing from her life as a sin, and so she starts despising herself. And it many ways that's what happened to Poland. Sad catholics who want to be perfect, and overreact to some events as "We're not perfect, we're so vile" etc. And I see it in your comment as well. And I'm pointing it out not as an insult, but merely as a sad conclusion "Yet another Pole who thinks we were evil... Jesus Christ". There were the minorities in the east, but the maps are interpreted in many ways wrong. These parts which were inhabited by Belarusians, had a very low density of population due to being located in the Priphet Marshes. And if someone looks exclusively at the ethnic map, he might come to conclusion "Whoah, look how many Belarusians there were", whereas in 1921 the Belarusians were only 3.9% of Poland's population. As for national tensions, we had the tensions only with Ukrainians. Others didn't have any national self-awareness, and many people used to describe themselves during the national censuses simply as "Tutejsi" ("here-ones"). And there was only one "brutal" action against Ukrainians: the police action in the autumn of 1930. It might sound rude, but it took Poland long enough to organise this action in the context of ten years of sabotage actions the ukrainian nationalists had been commiting against Poland. And I'm not talking it as any anti-ukrainian rhetoric, but simply to underline that it was NOT a norm. And finally, while the eastern lands were less developed, we did have oil there, near the Carpathian Mountains. And we already had rich coal mines in Upper Silesia. And let's also keep in mind that the lands we got in 1945 were uspeakably devastated by war and soviet pillages. These regions used to be rich prior to ww2, but in 1945 their development was devastated.

Is it really beneficial when there was not just Germans being forced to migrate, but also Poles, Ukrainians and Belarusians having to move to "the correct country"? Polish and Soviet armies worked to make sure new territories were as ethnically homogenous as possibly.

The pre ww2 borders made much more sense that the current one, which were obtained through ethnic cleansing and the death of millions...

Thanks! Probably not all of them in one video, but you can definitely expect more Cold War era content.

@@LookBackHistory thanks I like the cold war

Common, in fact. Appreciation of French culture is/was all the rage with the British aristocracy, as with most European aristocracies.

@@LookBackHistory Well, that is quite ironic considering the fact that the famous "Franco-British rivalry" was the result of the Norman control over England (with primarily French-cultured aristocracy). Because the Anglo-Saxons had good relations with the French before that. Very interesting, thank you!

@@LookBackHistory Ser do not confuse Europe and western Europe, in eastern Europe we did not and do not care for the french.

@@gunarsmiezis9321 yes that's why polish, romanian and russian aristocracies only spoke french up until 1920s

@@harclinze1514 The russijans stoped speaking french do to the Napolionic wars, afterwords german was prefered and many even whent back to russijan.

Except that silesia kashubia and western ukraine are rightfully polish and ukrainian respectively

@@bloodkelp Silesia was German for a very long time and Poland owned it more than 700 years ago so I partially disagree with you comment.

Thats the irony, they will be never happy.History atleast makes it clear

No Poland should have kept land and gained more in the form of reparation for all the suffering caused by the Germans

​@@saurabhsarkar1923No, the problem is that the USSR grabbed so much territory and redrew borders and demographics at its own will. If Poland's borders weren't shifted so radically after the war and the Soviets didn't annex literally everything, a lot more people would be happy right now.

Ha, sometimes accidents work out well.

~East Germany 1949

that's 'cause the Germs thought they could find the plug and pull it up Can't find it under all that mud

Exactly. The west abandoned our brilliant countries to the vile and monstrous soviets

Try spelling it without the 'a' , as in Ernest. Lots of things start in Ernest, but swiftly change when the truth comes out. Un-imaginable savagery.

Many trips begin in Earnest, but few end there..

Oh dear oh dear. Definition of earnest adjective from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary earnest adjective ​very serious and sincere

Blockparteien were just puppets... everything else was propaganda.

Well yes but actually no, even though there were other parties it was always ruled by the SED, they also decided how much votes and seats each party gets and the smaller parties and political unions which also held seats were forced into a coolition with the SED so that they would always hold a majority. In elections you would just basically aprove the leadership that was given to you by the SED and you couldn't disaprove of the election.

@@bastian182 They were natural allies of the SED, except maybe the national consrvatives that was for former N@zis and the liberal party. The rest were led by those with dual membership in the SED, next to based imo. Keep in mind, most westernees think that single party means sols legal party without even satellite parties.

There is literally no source for this style of writing and/or pronounciation

How else should it be pronounced

The anglicised spelling is Deutschmark. It is the same difference as München vs Munich. Or Bavaria vs Bayern.

Simple explanation the have no idea of how to speak German, let alone write in German. One has to learn it first.

If you actually listened, he said ANGLO-Soviet. Try listening before you make stupid comments.

Yes Poland suffered heavily but came our ahead in some ways

Southern 50% Polish 86% it was theirs before the mad Kaiser invaded

It is called Kaliningrad Oblast today and is part of Russia ( previously it was part of the Soviet Union.

Wehraboo

Germany deserved to lose all that land for the war They caused

@@lilldavid6903 exactly

@@Wow_btw have a feeling this will come back to haunt us

You have a Poland-Ball icon, the hypocrisy is actually amazing.

I can accept war reparations as a compensation but territorial compensation leads to mass suffering and countless deaths. I don't believe Poland should have received that land at the cost of more than 10 million innocent German civillians at a time when conditions in Germany couldn't be worse. If anything, the Germans should have been also allowed to keep Danzig, Sudetenland and Austria after a refrefendum. Austria really wanted to join a democratic Germany in 1918 (so much so that their provisional constitution literally said " Geeman-Austria is an integral part of the German republic" but they changed their minds when the Nazis came to power.

@@tahamuhammad1814 rich for the French to shout about German invasion. Remember a guy called “ Napoleon “? Hypocrisy reigns, as ever!

@@wolfa5151 I don't understand your point can you please elaborate

All towns in Danzig Corridor were Germ with Ashkenazi followers. The traditional lands were Majority populated by Polish people.

Ethnically German or not the Germans should have lost these cities as reparations

Lack of knowledge and preferring ignorance is low IQ. German theft does not make the land Germland. Germ encroachment and eviction of Polish People does not make the land Germland. Germ statistics, 1900, show majority were Polish People. Why was this ? Were they invited by Germs ? lol T of Versailles explains the logic of return to rightful owners. What Germs want, right ? Justice ? Or one sided greed ? Germs were not geno. by Sov. They ran away as Bolshevik Asiatics moved to Berlin. After 1945 germs left in large numbers - they didn't want to learn Polish and live under Sov dictatorship. You know O about the East and kvetching will not balance pro Germ rhetoric. There was no Belarus and no Ukraine, these are modern Soviet Bolshevik Oblasts. Wipe you crocodile tears so that you can see clearly the history books you ought to read. Can you read ? Are you lazy ?

@@dropkickthedecepticon4009 all lands Germs invaded were entirely owned by Polish People. They were simply in their own country and the land was taken back from thieves

@@dropkickthedecepticon4009 Making up fairy stories and believing them and spreading them as facts. Illiterate. Very stpd. Comics are not history books. Very infantile, you.

Of course that's all on the assumption that the Western Allies could've actually beaten the Soviets.

@@LookBackHistory the Soviets also had a plan to attack the allies in case of war, so if there was another war it's likely that the allies would've just lost their European lands and settle in a stalemate, the allies never being able to capture the mainland, and the Soviets struggling to defeat the British and American navy

@@LookBackHistory The Soviets had already exhausted most of their manpower and had a much smaller industry than Britain, France and the US combined. Unless they managed to kick the allies out of Europe VERY quickly (wich I don't think is very likely) they would simply be grinded out. The allies had many other advantages, the biggest one being the nuke, but I don't want to get into that.

there was this thing called Operation Unthinkable, proposed by Churchill, but it was denied by the Allied command. the breaking of WWIII just after WWII wasn't the best idea.

Probably the stupidiest shir i've ever seen. Europe was totally destroyed, left wing partisans were everywhere, the red army even if exausted was the best army at the moment (army, the americans have a combination of navy, airforce and army unbeatable). It would be a suicide for western europe and the only country not exausted (the US) had no interest in going against the USSR

Its real life not a video game

@@izawa9211 Demonstrating your ignorance of the geopolitics of the 20th Century I see! . The end of WW1 resulted in the collapse of four Empires and their dissolution into several nations each. The 'united' German Reich was only cobbled together out of several other monarchies and statelets in 1871 and the regions I describe are very close to those. Bavaria, Hanover, Prussia etc were still functioning cultural-polities into the third reich, indeed Goering was actually Minister-President of Prussia. Austria had been divided in 1918 and then taken over by Hitler and then recreated by the Allies; the Eastern Prussia region was likewise expanded and contracted as a result of the two wars. Denmark had lost and regained parts of Schwelswig and Holstein in the same period. So had the Saarland/ Lorraine. Nothing I have suggested is in any way a 'video game' and in fact even more statelets could be described if needs be from their own RECENT history.

Well you bright spark that would have then led to a repeat of the wars between the 16th and 19th century which converted a patch work of Germanic statelets and principalities into the German Nation of 1871. Which self respecting Bavarian would want to live in a US district called Kingdom of Bavaria? Bavaria or Bayern to refer to it correctly has the status of a free sate/ Freistaat in the Federal Republic of G. Who would want to trade that for being a mini US colony?

Schleswig Holstein is and always was german.

Then maybe the next Bismarck to unite the German state wouldn’t have a dumb emperor.

Well perhaps the people in US should give all the land back to the natives and head back to the lands whence their ancestor came from. That is a bout as daft of an idea as you suggestion.

I‘m sorry you still see it that way.

Yea because that wouldn't have eventually started another war

Pff, then the french would do the things they could do best, assimilate german culture. Parts of Wallonia, Luxembourg, Allsace, Lorraine, Saarland and Burgundy. So much german land has been assimilated, although 2 of the 3 times Germany supposedly invaded France, France declared war on Germany. And in WW1 France was also not innocent.

I agree it would have been the best choice of action

The modern germans not.

Sure. It was once many more statelets, principalities and dukedoms and kingdoms than 3. They got tired being bullied and pushed around by their neighbours and decided to get together and do a bit of bullying and pushing around of those former bullies themselves.