How We Forge a 720S Bottom End | Part 1: Block Liners

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6 ай бұрын

How we fit liners into a McLaren 720S block. Includes what happens when a critical tool fails during the process, plus, plenty of workshop banter, including some more words of wisdom from Karl!
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@Kk18739 6 ай бұрын

We need longer videos not shorter ones, I’m starting a petition.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Wheat been slagged that this video was 30 mins just for liner installs lol

@rjcharlick 6 ай бұрын

I love the videos I can’t wait till they come out . I can’t wait till I save up get a rs3 and see theses boys to maintain it . There the best in the game

@stevenlee4437 6 ай бұрын

Longer videos for the win

@MCLStormtrooper 5 ай бұрын

I'm in for longer videos. Please ask Davlah to get close ups in a bit better focus. I'm absolutely chuffed your working on a McLaren.

@REPerformanceUK 5 ай бұрын

@@MCLStormtrooper yeah we do loads mate, have done for some time!

@oldclimber5502 6 ай бұрын

That build has to be perfection as Karl was supervising 😂😂

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

😂😂

@stevenlee4437 6 ай бұрын

Well it’d be a realistic build at least

@jaz904 19 күн бұрын

That 190e was a G reg.. i'm sure its a 2.5 16v. The 2.3 16v engine was built by cosworth and the 2.5 16v was engineered by cosworth and built by Mercedes 👍🏻🤘🏽

@Dadeets 6 ай бұрын

Nerves of steel Ricky. The sight of all that debris would of had my bum hole uncontrollably winking in abject fear that a wandering swarf was lying in wait to cost me ££££’s. Cleaned up, dealt with and crack on. True pro.

@jimmcculloch3786 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant as always, and you teach us soooooo much! Thank you :)

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Thank you

@tommyme-rx2wh 6 ай бұрын

Wanted to say the same. (Loved it, around 3 seconds before u said is it time for a tea. As I was thinking, if I was there I'd be making a proper brew myself at that time)

@issacmuckelrath5541 6 ай бұрын

Something about watching that liner go in that is extremely satisfying 😊😊

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

I totally agree!

@steffydog 6 ай бұрын

Absolutely brilliant, many thanks, I’m absolutely fascinated, love the attention to detail, many thanks guys and Kate obvs. Keep well all 🙏

@garryclark1893 6 ай бұрын

I love ur building skills and attention to detail

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Thank you. Glad you’re enjoying the videos

@danielmarshall4587 6 ай бұрын

Thank you and a Happy New Year to you all. Also YES the man in Germany who works on BE-EMS, his vids are LOVELY, smashing that you mention his vids.

@markhobbs2907 6 ай бұрын

Carl get your dad to get a noble, then Ricky can buy it off him for more parts 🤣🤣🤣🤣 HNY guys 🍺🍺

@johnrowell942 6 ай бұрын

😂 great to listen to you guys. Thank you for sharing and showing how much time go's in to the prep. I would like to ask if you reuse the head studs again after this process? Look forward to more on this build 👍💯

@s1bur 6 ай бұрын

The damp patches on the ceiling tiles are doing my head in lol.

@georgieliverpol 6 ай бұрын

Oh happy new year to you the lads and family

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Thank you. And to you too.

@jx10r13 6 ай бұрын

you guys are a damn trip LOL I came across your channel by chance watch vids on efi tuning, I'm happy I found you channel and I enjoyed vids I've watched so far. lastly, I personally hate short vids lol I look forward to watching more of your vids

@Danders1657 6 ай бұрын

Great content guys, rolling on to 30k subs, should be much more.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Thank you!! Glad you’re enjoying them

@Zedhead_ 6 ай бұрын

I love that tool for inserting the sleeves, it offers precision and repeatability. I would however look at a thrust bearing between the screw and the plate to prevent the swarf issue. 👍❤️👊 Hi Kate. 👋

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Yeah the swarf was off the thread not the contact point but you are right, I need something to stop the tip galling!

@Zedhead_ 6 ай бұрын

@@REPerformanceUK a recirculating ball screw would sort that right out. 👍

@MCLStormtrooper 5 ай бұрын

You could ask your machinist mate to put a brass/bronze insert in there instead of steel on aluminum. I'm in the process of making one for myself.

@REPerformanceUK 5 ай бұрын

@@MCLStormtrooper Yeah ill probably use an axial bearing too.

@Zedhead_ 5 ай бұрын

@@MCLStormtrooper spot on that would do it. 👍👊

@mitchk7676 6 ай бұрын

Merch not shipping to Canada :( -Great videos guys, hands down my fav content on youtube.

@user-sr9dk7xm3h 6 ай бұрын

Hi Ricky, love the channel, may want to think about the spacing on FBS vs the hoodie strings as it looks like IBS more often than you may think on video 😂

@davegavin7914 Ай бұрын

I’ve actually learned so much and I’m an old fart in cars , motorsport for longer than you’ve been born so thanks you can learn an old fart new tricks 👍🏻🇬🇧👏👏👏👏👏 BMW jibe stung a little but I forgive you 😂

@andyholland5707 6 ай бұрын

Half my colon is now hanging out from trying to stay on the loo for the length of this vid.....thanks👍

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

😂😂

@rjcharlick 6 ай бұрын

Love your videos too g in car mechanics and engine re builds . I have an Audi a6 2.0 tdi is it worth mapping and having the dpf removed ? Just worried that the dpf will get blocked over time

@stevenlee4437 6 ай бұрын

Would you a white board lesson on the liner reliefs to help us imagine it better?

@d33dub 6 ай бұрын

aaaaaand i'm finished, oh and so is the video, perfect.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

🙌🏼🙌🏼

@richyprice9170 6 ай бұрын

20:50 someone forgot to put the plate in the jig 😂

@pearman2477 6 ай бұрын

I wasn't the only one to see it lol

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

And it wasn’t the only time I did it!! 😂😂

@steveswain4646 6 ай бұрын

Hi all at REP, happy new year Ricky, this may be a question you have already answered. What's the benefit of fitting linners, and why do tuners use them. Thanks Steve

@Grey_Area570 6 ай бұрын

Q, at what point will you decide to reface the Torque plate, looks like its made of ally, clamping steel liners, i'd expect to see some indentations after a while of usage..

@Impulse5596 6 ай бұрын

Love your channel. I have a Yamaha R1-Z 250cc two stroke. How are you with two strokes

@mikesonic29 6 ай бұрын

Oh please do a 3 hour session! I need stuff to distract me from my work day

@Tyronnster 6 ай бұрын

Nearly 30k well done

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@MCLStormtrooper 5 ай бұрын

Ricky, just for fun torque, a wheel nut down using 5 or 6 extentions, torque to spec, then check it with just a socket. You may be amazed that the values are the same. Don’t be surprised that it feels different, but the torque spec will be correct. My granddad taught me this trick.

@sambolton1970 6 ай бұрын

20 mins for a dump video is just about right inc wipe time 👍

@the_chillifingers43 6 ай бұрын

😂😂 I also say babysitting 😅, also annoys the wife when I do! Great content as always pal

@Grey_Area570 6 ай бұрын

Q, can you feel the difference when pushing the liner in if the O ring is twisted? I've found that my sense of feeling for any binding slowly disapears when using kit to push liners in . ( I used to build larger diesel engines, around 50-200l per engine)

@stevenlee4437 6 ай бұрын

Could you put the liners in to a freezer for easier installation?

@jamesfrancis2687 6 ай бұрын

So...Davlar. Love the videos.. Would the noble be good as a track car for you.?

@domincodoesburg3143 6 ай бұрын

Bedankt

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! That’s very kind!!

@tonykelly1662 6 ай бұрын

What grade aluminum do you guys use to build torque plates?

@MCLStormtrooper 5 ай бұрын

How thick are your torque plates? I'm about to make a set for myself. Love the McLaren videos. Make them as long as possible. I watch 'em over and over.

@williamholmes9129 5 ай бұрын

One down side I find with a dedicated trackday car is although running well when you put it on the trailer, you cant always be confident all is still working fine when you arrive at the next track day with no ability to try on the road before

@Mello-bw7tx 6 ай бұрын

Should see if you could get an engineering company to make flanged steel inserts or slimserts for your torque blocks. They use slimserts loctited into soft material (Ally, Mag) hydraulic blocks in the aerospace industry especially when bolts are removed & refitted quite regular. Stops cross threading of soft metal threads or scoring of seating faces. Proably wouldn't have to use lubricant / grease under washers when preloading blocks if flanged slimserts are made of high grade steel or stainless. If slimserts are severally damaged, can be removed & replaced without needing to replace an expensive torque block. Certainly worth considering for future, every little improvement helps. Great video as always Ricky 👍

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Yeah I was thinking brass washers to be honest but I’ll look in to that! They just have to be able to hold under 80ft lbs!

@stefanroseEP3 6 ай бұрын

Gotta be like an f80 m4 for a track car around 40k. Or ep3 for fwd and just boost it to 500hp or something if ya want to go fast in a straight line. Or just leave it NA n see what corners ya don't have to brake for

@user-yq9tq5pd1n 6 ай бұрын

Are those bolts that go in the torque plate sacrificial? Or are they used again in the build? I once ‘built” a cortina engine, but not to the level you guys go to. We did it in the garden in an afternoon! 😂

@user-hm1wg2ri4w 5 ай бұрын

You might find that the hole inside the deep sockets for the bolt/stud to pass will be too small when using those aircraft style nuts, the holes usually only correspond to standard size bolts and nuts.

@Impulse5596 6 ай бұрын

The ceiling tiles above the wipe board look stained, has there been a leak from above? Love the meticulous standards you adhere to, beyond doubt the very best.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Yeah the roof leaked in the terrible weather over Christmas. Can through the dyno roof worse! Luckily it only stained engine room roof tiles and didn’t come through…..gutted mate!!

@Geeteeoh92 6 ай бұрын

Hi guys. Love the show. Ricky why do you remove the studs every time. You are reusing a pair of holes for the next one, why not just undo the nuts and leave the studs in place?

@user-ky1ks3gy4e 6 ай бұрын

Happy new year to you all and Kate Track cars how about the V8 M3 . Also question When people talk about Stroking an engine I know they do t mean open the bonnet and touch up the rockers can you explain.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

If I was getting an M3 would be E46 and I’d make it wide arch like out of the first Need for Speed!! 😍

@Ben-in6qh 6 ай бұрын

Two of those studs could stay in for two liners? Also wouldnt freezing them overnight mean theyd fall straight in ??

@johngibson3837 6 ай бұрын

Hey up lads top video do youse re clean block after the install and as a side line about 1990 me and the girlfriend got a lift in a 190 Merc on autobahn was cruising like 200k said to fella these are sposed to go well and spent next hour doing 240 and that was in the rain

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Not unless I have reason too but in theory everything should be spotless!

@jordanlevendale 5 ай бұрын

Did the customer ship the motor for the build, from south africa?

@bart34vranken 6 ай бұрын

If you doing next Q and A I'm going to cartagena for the first time in march any tips since you just went ? Seems like a place you need short gearing

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

No mate nothing special on gearing! I used 15/44 on my R6 same as Donny. All the corners are very late entry so don’t rush in!

@mcnelstv1880 6 ай бұрын

Question: Are the studs you used for the liner press and torque plate reusable?

@Ben-in6qh 6 ай бұрын

Yes

@JohnSnow-vo2um 22 күн бұрын

my 720s engine blew from the bottom, anyway you can fix this

@markandrew552 6 ай бұрын

Hi, I've been enjoying past uploads. I was wondering what happened to the RS3 Engine. " We fixed it ! Thought it was coming back for a dyno run. 👍🏻

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

The RS3 engine is with VGS who are fitting a bigger turbo kit and the project has been finished yet! It will go on the dyno as needs tuning!

@pawilson1978 6 ай бұрын

Couldn't help but notice during the poop talk the hoody was reading as IBS 😂😂

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

😂😂🤦🏼‍♀️

@PiersDeMann 6 ай бұрын

Why didn’t you replace the liners with ductile iron or steel liners given these are a known issue with modded engines? Are 720 liners ok?

@Chilled_Mackers 2 ай бұрын

The only thing you did wrong was slate BMW 😆 - I love E28s and E34s!

@warrenbarteeimsautoclinic64 4 ай бұрын

Where can i get this tool also hope u guy are ready this ‼️⁉️‼️⁉️‼️⁉️‼️⁉️⁉️‼️⁉️‼️⁉️

@timburton1080 6 ай бұрын

Managed to have pooh, coffee, and another pooh in the 45 mins

@pklifter 5 ай бұрын

"Get your torque plates out" hahahahahah

@pjvenda 6 ай бұрын

Smashing content! Question: what brought you from Vw/Audi to McLaren - did you train somewhere for this? Did it happen by coincidence or was it intentional? Cheers!

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

No with the McLaren stuff I just bought an engine and stripped it to reverse engineer all the assembly procedures and did lots and lots of research! Like I said….it just nuts and bolts!

@pjvenda 6 ай бұрын

@@REPerformanceUK awesome, thanks!

@cjamesenorf 6 ай бұрын

👌

@rmckenna6828 6 ай бұрын

Carl ur dad can buy my r33 gtr vspec series 3 520hp, deep marine blue, no rust and in amazing condition👍

@stevewall3246 6 ай бұрын

Business class to Dubai very nice. If you want some recommendations for hotels, just let me know my son works for the Hilton group.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

I should be so lucky! Lol

@michaelcordes 6 ай бұрын

I almost forgot..... So!

@stevenlee4437 6 ай бұрын

Are the hoodies generous or tight? I’m in between a large and an X Large Thanks lads

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

We are sold out of the new hoodies in large and XL but have a look on the Reperformance website for the older style merch availability. We still have plenty of tees left in the new style though.

@rolandmalkin4034 6 ай бұрын

Rick You are doing it all wrong mate, I think you should do a reaction video on the Mini prototype engine builds over on Ivans Shed. The way he realigns his crankshaft is MINT !

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Not seen that mate!

@SuperDickiedavies 6 ай бұрын

Could you use a thin gauge steel sheet as a gasket to prevent galling and ruining your torque plate?

@georgieliverpol 6 ай бұрын

Hey Rick on an engine build approximately how many times do you assemble and disassemble an engine on a build

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Depending on the engine 2 is a bloody good day! Most was a V8 merc and that was 8! Lol Just always little things that needed adjusting or modding and we didn’t know the platform!

@georgieliverpol 6 ай бұрын

@REPerformanceUK thanks so much rick I thought about 3 to 4 times with all the tolerances

@Frosty-hx6ky 6 ай бұрын

Hi Ricky, the digital torque wrench ur using with the green handle what make is it? I'm guessing Snap-on

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Yea sir!!

@Frosty-hx6ky 6 ай бұрын

@@REPerformanceUK After I asked the Q while watching video you said it was snap on lol. Sorry for not watching all of video first lol.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

@@Frosty-hx6ky😂😂

@123divad 6 ай бұрын

That press tool needs a thrust bearing in the bottom so you dont get swarf

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

I agree!

@ohboy2118 6 ай бұрын

Can you get the liner tool modified to push on a thrust bearing rather than the stud end on a greased pocket?

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Yeah I was trying to think how I could improve the contact area. I was thinking of machining it flat then using a thrust washer as you say. The puller element of it is like that.

@samrodian919 6 ай бұрын

I think the drive in thread is totally of the wrong design. Rather than what looks as a standard metric coarse thread design, it needs to be of a trapezoidal form which would transmit more torque for less effort in pushing the liners in. And using a bearing at the end plate would make it even better. They don't use Acme or metric trapezoidal threads on lathes and other driving machines for nothing lol

@ohboy2118 6 ай бұрын

@samrodian919 I think if you are pulling/pushing hard enough to bring thread design into it, something is going very wrong and is about to break.

@jeffdavies688 6 ай бұрын

To get the flat on the liner to be in the correct position.....is it located in the puller in a specific position.....great channel....you should invite stretton M539 over for a visit.....he gets all serious when he is with other people....he us a funny guy....

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

The liner has two machines flats which locate inside the press tool perfectly….

@victormildew1717 6 ай бұрын

Hi Ricky, not trying to be a smart arse here. Would hardened steel "Top Hat" section inserts in the top face of your billet torque blocks stop the galling ?

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

No it’s a valid point mate! I was actually thinking of brass washers….

@victormildew1717 6 ай бұрын

Ricky, perhaps brass would "Give" under the high torque figures you use ? The other issue is the holes in the blocks will start to swage in ,over time . Love your stuff mate, I have been in Motorsport for 40+ years, and still am learning. Cheers. Neil.@@REPerformanceUK

@B4tty1234 6 ай бұрын

Question for Ricky. Do you worry about flash rusting etc on the engine components in this lovely British weather? Or do you coat everything? Cheers. M

@jamest5149 6 ай бұрын

REP’s engine room is air conditioned, both to keep it temperature stable but also control humidity. Covered this in a previous episode 👍 Although I note the REP,engine room has/had some water ingress problems looking at the ceiling tiles

@B4tty1234 6 ай бұрын

@@jamest5149 cheers!

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

If anything has a risk of flashing like iron blocks etc we spray in wd40 to stop it!

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Yeah gutted mate! The weather over Xmas brought a ceiling tile down in workshop, put water in dyno and stained the engine room ceiling! Luckily no water ingress as all my Mitutoyo kit was underneath!

@timbolton2241 6 ай бұрын

Noble sat in the corner get it done .....track day .

@aukanmeister 6 ай бұрын

It goes in, even if both of us cries.

@pinderwagen 6 ай бұрын

You've said on this video and on Facebook "don't buy a 30k R8! " But I wonder if with the current prices being lower than ever due to the current market, tax, insurance and people's finances for a 'weekend car' if that's actually the case now. 🤔 If its a 30k car, perhaps that's opening it up to a home mechanic a bit more than a 40 or 50k one would. If so and it needs a set of brakes or dampers, is it really such a bad buy? A 30k car today isn't the same as a 30k car a couple of years ago.

@mikesonic29 6 ай бұрын

I come for the So.... And stay for Devlar 😂

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@richardsowter8914 6 ай бұрын

Am I making it up or do the liners sometimes get frozen in liquid nitrogen and the block heated to make them fit? Is that a different process?

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Yeah that is a dry liner process mate where you fit a steel liner inside a complete bore. These are wet liner inserts with o rings to stop coolant transfer

@richardsowter8914 6 ай бұрын

Cheers chap!

@davec1104 5 ай бұрын

Question - I've heard you say a few times about NOT buying a £30k R8........Question is 'Would you not inspect an R8 for a customer who is potentially looking at a car at entry level for them?' I'm currently in an Evo 6 but need would be looking at a £35k budget for an R8 when the Evo has gone......Is this still going to get me a shitter?

@dennisreid4428 6 ай бұрын

Karl, I'd buy a Noble and spend 5 years rebuilding it. Opps Ricky did buy one

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Wow low blow 😂😂

@dennisreid4428 6 ай бұрын

@@REPerformanceUK I'll try any low blow to make Karl smile. Please tell me He did at that? Mr Realistic must find some things in life funny

@mordusy 6 ай бұрын

Should get a pulsar gtir.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

A good one yes!! I want one!!

@user-lj2ry1vl2e 6 ай бұрын

Did you forget to put the tool back together properly for the 3rd liner after cleaning it??

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

I forgot to put the press plate back on so had to take it back off again! Lol

@user-lj2ry1vl2e 6 ай бұрын

@@REPerformanceUK love the videos especially the bike ones hopefully coming to watch you at one of your meetings this year👍

@Lou-f 6 ай бұрын

Sreten has his first non bmw build hidden in his workshop!

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Interesting!!

@marchector2387 10 күн бұрын

No gay in the village clip disappointing, im only joking, your channel is growing because the ads are alot longer, fair play 2 you sir

@soundlysbananacam6182 6 ай бұрын

I used to work at a cat shelter but I had to quit. They reduced meowers.

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

That’s hilarious!!

@andywalsh1185 6 ай бұрын

Evening gets question for Ricky did you ever race 2strokes or are you too young for that ? Cheers 👍

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Never raced a stroker on the circuits mate, but ridden a few! I got off MX straight to 600 ssp!

@andywalsh1185 6 ай бұрын

@@REPerformanceUK nice jump from MX to SSP , nothing beats the smell of Silkoline 2stroke oil wafting around 😂😂😂

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

@@andywalsh1185or no engine braking when you snap the throttle shut! Lol

@michaelcordes 6 ай бұрын

You have a leak mate. Ceiling tiles above the white board are wet. Could end up contaminating something

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

We do!! The rain affected us badly over the last few weeks it’s noted don’t worry!!

@666markyboy 6 ай бұрын

I can't believe I asked a liner question on the last video and then get presented with this on the next vid...... I expected them to be so much more of an interference fit and need freezing to fit

@oldclimber5502 6 ай бұрын

Ditto, the liners are obviously tight, but what is the main force keeping them solid, surely it cannot be the sealing rings ? 😟

@julianpritchard2558 6 ай бұрын

5:25 , it feels wrong, said the man with his hand deep in a hole! 😅😅😮

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

😜

@Welwynnick 6 ай бұрын

Doesn't the 720S have a fully forged bottom end from the factory?

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

No mate! Rods are cheese!

@Welwynnick 6 ай бұрын

Shocking

@MCLStormtrooper 5 ай бұрын

Would you consider forged titanium rods to save weight?

@REPerformanceUK 5 ай бұрын

@@MCLStormtrooper No, they don't add much and they stretch.

@TheLeeattwood 6 ай бұрын

The bobble on your hat was to protect sailors in small places from banging there heads as well as making people look like nobs 😂

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Still does the same job then 😂

@blackchairsession6360 6 ай бұрын

Turn the Tool out for a small Axial Bearing also the Spindel and you will never have the Dirtproblems....

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

I do need to do something!!

@blackchairsession6360 5 ай бұрын

Hello, to avoid Metal Shavings just add a Small Bearing to your Tool Spindel...@@REPerformanceUK

@andybegbie8553 6 ай бұрын

Do u ever go back over work you've done on camera just to check because you might not have been thinking properly because of the camera?

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

No, if I’m ever worried, wake up in middle of night or can’t remember a bit I just take it apart and check! Too much risk not to spend the time doing it! My reputation is just too valuable to me!!

@tomredman5411 6 ай бұрын

Just watch a bit of anchor man…😂😂😂 minter

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

Amazing film!!

@jonofalltradesmasterofnone832 6 ай бұрын

Don’t track car buy a track bike you can buy a cheap van and leave it the back, fold up trailer to carry it around and keep it in the dining room between track days

@stevewall3246 6 ай бұрын

Ask Alexa Coffee 100 in Welsh

@REPerformanceUK 6 ай бұрын

I’ll give it a try!