How Were Medieval Taxes Collected? (Short Animated Documentary)

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How were medieval taxes collected? They just did the rounds and picked it up, who'd have guessed? Also, rich people didn't pay it.
Sources:
State, Feudal, and Private Economy in Byzantium by Alexander Kazhdan
Economic Factors in the Decline of the Byzantine Empire by Peter Charanis
On the Importance of Land Tenure and Agrarian Taxation in the Byzantine Empire, from the Fourth Century to the Fourth Crusade by Kenneth M. Setton

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@tomdumb6937
@tomdumb6937 3 жыл бұрын
Emperor Tiberius famously said when the tax gatherers brought him more than he had asked for; "I want my sheep sheared, not butchered!"
@mikehawk2003
@mikehawk2003 3 жыл бұрын
Which Tiberius
@stickman8459
@stickman8459 2 жыл бұрын
@@j.p.sumando56 *do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down*
@albinandersson1154
@albinandersson1154 2 жыл бұрын
@@stickman8459 lol
@drybrucke1
@drybrucke1 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikehawk2003 The 2nd Roman Emperor
@kohndoe9440
@kohndoe9440 2 жыл бұрын
@@j.p.sumando56 did he get his vengeance in this life or after?
@numbskull4899
@numbskull4899 4 жыл бұрын
I feel this was made cuz history matters got mad at his tax price
@haramsaddam238
@haramsaddam238 4 жыл бұрын
You’d feel the same if you lived in England
@quotenbalkaner7066
@quotenbalkaner7066 4 жыл бұрын
Cries in German _Feeling pity for Belgium because they have to give more than 50% to the state_
@omayaki5264
@omayaki5264 4 жыл бұрын
@@quotenbalkaner7066 German taxes aren't that High If you don't make much Money.
@quotenbalkaner7066
@quotenbalkaner7066 4 жыл бұрын
@@omayaki5264 yes however every German must pay public health and pension insurance and even if you earn less than 1k per month you still get taxed by 20%. What are you gonna afford with 800€? The cheapest rent you can get is in problem districts with social housing around 400- 500€ . Then you have to pay groceries and due to euro inflation you pay 1,40€ for one 500gramm Butter ( 15 years before you would only pay 20-40¢). So in case you buy low end food you get onto 35€ a week which makes it 140€ a month for Groceries. Plus Water Bill, Electric Bill, Internet, Transportation and you basically have up 90% for basic needs. now imagine feeding a whole family with 1k. And then people are asking why do we get so less children.
@omayaki5264
@omayaki5264 4 жыл бұрын
@@quotenbalkaner7066 I agree that there is to few social housing and that the wages are too low. But cutting health insurance tax wouldn't really help. Because if you would get sick in the Case you yust mentioned you can simply declare bankruptcy. Imagine paying the hospital bill for your child...
@matthewparcell79
@matthewparcell79 4 жыл бұрын
Wait so they’re not collected by huge men with clubs who will beat over the head of you don’t pay them?
@archer1088
@archer1088 4 жыл бұрын
Mount and blade reference???
@TheSilkKing1
@TheSilkKing1 4 жыл бұрын
The black knight from the Flash games!
@claimingseven72
@claimingseven72 4 жыл бұрын
Damn there goes my weekend
@graysonguinn1943
@graysonguinn1943 4 жыл бұрын
@Mr.Denton ah shit is it harvesting season already?
@jipeh
@jipeh 4 жыл бұрын
@Mr.Denton I am not afraid of you. I will fight. You have 6 troops fit for battle against their 42.
@TheNinjaDC
@TheNinjaDC 4 жыл бұрын
"Peasants had some protections, as you couldn't tax them too much, or revolts would erupt." *France enters the classroom late* France: Did I miss anything important?
@foty8679
@foty8679 4 жыл бұрын
Boston Tea Party
@thebeastgamerharris7816
@thebeastgamerharris7816 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry mate I'm stealing that
@dgfdgdfgemglrgmle6017
@dgfdgdfgemglrgmle6017 4 жыл бұрын
Great Britain: No, I don't thinks so.
@nick0875
@nick0875 3 жыл бұрын
Well how else would they keep fighting long drawn out 18th century wars that generally didn't go anywhere and ended on draws where minor concessions would be made?
@DumbledoreMcCracken
@DumbledoreMcCracken 3 жыл бұрын
@@nick0875 just like today
@zechariahtlee
@zechariahtlee 4 жыл бұрын
"One thing was consistent, nobody liked paying them." History repeats itself!
@kayoxdlivebr
@kayoxdlivebr 4 жыл бұрын
Except for those guys on Sweden
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 4 жыл бұрын
The only certanties in life are death and taxes, as they say.
@clonetrooper730
@clonetrooper730 4 жыл бұрын
Still true to this day...
@quotenbalkaner7066
@quotenbalkaner7066 4 жыл бұрын
@@merrittanimation7721 not for an entrepreneur in Luxembourg.
@Doogie2K3
@Doogie2K3 4 жыл бұрын
And that the nobility get privileges (loopholes) to reduce their tax bill.
@jonbaxter2254
@jonbaxter2254 4 жыл бұрын
"Give us, like, half of what you've earned this year" Oof, that's too real.
@ulyssessphoenix2745
@ulyssessphoenix2745 4 жыл бұрын
What country do you live in were 50% is taxed?
@quotenbalkaner7066
@quotenbalkaner7066 4 жыл бұрын
Step 1: Earning a quite nice wage. Step 2: Getting Taxed 50% Step 3: Paying 50% of your net income for the rent and 25% for Food, Clothing Hygiene etc Step 4: ??????? Step 5: actually no Profit because you have to pay your Student loan debt up.
@thatoneguy7191
@thatoneguy7191 4 жыл бұрын
@@ulyssessphoenix2745 Belgium has a 50% tax rate
@kaderpdi1982
@kaderpdi1982 4 жыл бұрын
@@quotenbalkaner7066 step 5: fake your death Step 6:move to tax havens
@BoxStudioExecutive
@BoxStudioExecutive 4 жыл бұрын
Keaos0 no it isn’t you dumbass
@-Benedict
@-Benedict 3 жыл бұрын
Next question: How often did medieval tax collectors find themselves tragically, accidentally, brutally stabbed to death?
@benthomason3307
@benthomason3307 2 жыл бұрын
...asking for a friend
@lucasbispodossantos5074
@lucasbispodossantos5074 2 жыл бұрын
Same rate tax evasion happen nowadays hhahaha.
@adrianpadin1840
@adrianpadin1840 2 жыл бұрын
Short answer is not very often because if you did, you'd be guaranteed to get a visit from a gang of government-paid armed thugs showing up not long after
@trpimirkarlovic838
@trpimirkarlovic838 Жыл бұрын
Did they go on to collect taxes without any guards around them?
@robham5827
@robham5827 Жыл бұрын
Well it definitely happened. An extreme example at the end of the Medieval period would be the Earl of Northumberland who was murdered in a riot in York over a tax increase which was ordered by Henry VII to finance a quick war with France
@ianstephens1134
@ianstephens1134 4 жыл бұрын
“One thing was consistent, nobody liked paying them,” Some things never change
@seneca983
@seneca983 4 жыл бұрын
I've heard multiple people, mostly those who lean left politically, say they are happy to pay their taxes. So things have in fact changed, somewhat.
@julianratering8500
@julianratering8500 4 жыл бұрын
@@seneca983 I guess the difference is that now the state actually gives to the people instead of just heavy taxation for destructive wars.
@julianratering8500
@julianratering8500 4 жыл бұрын
@Justinian the Great Hahaha maybe in the US but not here in Europe. They would be stupid to do so since the speed limit is 100 km/h right now! But seriously keep thinking that taxes are theft while you drive to work on well maintained roads and your trash is taken care off while you complain on the internet. Not paying taxes makes you somewhat of a third world citizen.
@ZohmBe
@ZohmBe 4 жыл бұрын
@@julianratering8500 Hahaha maybe that is why people in the US are saying taxation is theft because they are not spending it on the people but keeping it for themselves. People are now talking in the US about defunding, abolishing the police. Good luck collecting taxes without some kind of force.
@TomorrowWeLive
@TomorrowWeLive 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, we've got leftie bootlickers who love being wallet-r*ped by the long cock of the state
@iRedTomato
@iRedTomato 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for specifying the region you’re focusing on rather than pretending it applies to all of medieval Europe.
@Marshal_Rock
@Marshal_Rock 3 жыл бұрын
Tbf, the rest of Europe didn't had an efficient way of taxation as the one used by the romans or the muslim kingdoms.
@Pawn2e4
@Pawn2e4 3 жыл бұрын
@@Marshal_Rock Tbf that's because Robin Hood kept stealing it back
@Palladiosios
@Palladiosios 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pawn2e4 Made me laugh, thanks
@tweisbek2
@tweisbek2 2 жыл бұрын
An interesting fact I remember reading is that medieval kings often sold the right to collect taxes rather than directly collecting them. So basically a tax collector would be a sort of entrepeneur who would hunt you down to recover what he’d already paid the king and then some. This scheme led to a lot of abuse and made tax collectors especially detested and the source of revolts
@rav9066
@rav9066 2 жыл бұрын
that does not seem very wise for kings to do. What was the reason for this?? pure profit?
@tweisbek2
@tweisbek2 2 жыл бұрын
@@rav9066 Several reasons for it, number one being that governments as we think of them today didn’t exist. In the middle ages complex state bureaucracies (such as tax collecting) were in their infancy, so this sort of “outsourcing” solutions were fairly common. Also, medieval kings were often perpetually short on cash, particularly to raise armies to go to war; so they relied a lot on credit and other financing means. The selling of tax collecting rights meant that they had cash now instead of having to wait months and months for it.
@charu2059
@charu2059 2 жыл бұрын
Privatisation of tax collection?
@TomorrowWeLive
@TomorrowWeLive 2 жыл бұрын
@@charu2059 in the Middle Ages everything was "privatised", or rather private, since centralised states with all-consuming public bureacracies didn't become a thing until the early 20th century
@justaway_of_the_samurai
@justaway_of_the_samurai 2 жыл бұрын
Bureaucrats employed directly by the government would have probably been pretty greedy anyways. The society they lived in was not advanced and organized enough to keep track of all those taxes properly.
@antonio4243
@antonio4243 4 жыл бұрын
"Nobody liked paying taxes" Richard II: "Y'all hear sum?"
@ManoredRed
@ManoredRed 4 жыл бұрын
@Edward Tay Can't pay taxes if the government already owns everything.
@ahsanimam73
@ahsanimam73 4 жыл бұрын
It’s Richard III
@count487
@count487 4 жыл бұрын
No, he’s right. Richard II faced a major peasant’s revolt due to taxation and other grievances
@theoveranalyzingcinephile983
@theoveranalyzingcinephile983 3 жыл бұрын
​@Edward Tay Are you fucking high? Speaking as someone from Romania, that was a communist country till 1989, taxes 100% did exist, the only difference was that there was very little to tax as the government gave all the salaries (and as such took taxes out of your paycheck directly) and private property was nigh on non existent. Also there were social security retirement taxes that actually didn't pay for your retirement instead operating like a Ponzi scheme, with the current investments being used to pay current retired people, something that did no under any circumstances completely backfire when the communists fucked up our demographics too.
@blauwbeer556
@blauwbeer556 3 жыл бұрын
George Washington be like
@Temujin1206
@Temujin1206 3 жыл бұрын
As a side note, at least in Western Europe, it was common practice to record taxes using tallysticks. Essentially they would carve notches into a stick to tally up the money involved and the stick would be split in half, with each party taking one half. That way if there was any dispute later on the halved stick could be produced as a kind of receipt, once the two halves were shown to fit together perfectly then the name written onto the sticks and the notches carved into the stick could then be used to prove what money had been paid, and by who.
@_im_stupid_
@_im_stupid_ 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: this method of taxation was created by the roman emperor diocletian back in the 280s. It was so effective that it would be used for around 1200 years, from the 280s till 1453
@romeoalvarado6226
@romeoalvarado6226 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder why it stopped working in 1453...
@_im_stupid_
@_im_stupid_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@romeoalvarado6226 bruhhhh.
@Queen_Miku
@Queen_Miku 10 ай бұрын
@@romeoalvarado6226 roman empire fell in 1453
@rileygladue3979
@rileygladue3979 5 ай бұрын
@@romeoalvarado6226 bruh
@jacko8030
@jacko8030 4 жыл бұрын
Do more videos on Byzantine history!!!! They’re criminally understudied when compared to classical Rome and need to have more entertaining and easily digestible videos like these about them.
@azh698
@azh698 2 жыл бұрын
I swear, the place where it is taught the most is Greece.
@dragonsword2253
@dragonsword2253 Жыл бұрын
@@azh698 Well Greece IS their direct successor, so it makes sense
@its_dey_mate
@its_dey_mate Жыл бұрын
@@azh698 Naturally, it is also studied quite a lot in Bulgaria, for obvious reasons *cue one of the most underrated and long lasting rivalries in human history not many people talk about*.
@varoonnone7159
@varoonnone7159 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonsword2253 The question is. How much are they studied in Turkey ?
@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded
@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded 7 ай бұрын
Eastern Roman Empire*
@aqui1ifer
@aqui1ifer 4 жыл бұрын
While it had Eastern on the front, their tax collection was still all too Roman.
@joshuaarroyo7235
@joshuaarroyo7235 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair most of what medieval Europe way of ruling and bureaucracy was mostly copied by the Romans. They were ahead of their time.
@garabic8688
@garabic8688 4 жыл бұрын
maybe its because they are the Roman Empire
@joshuaarroyo7235
@joshuaarroyo7235 4 жыл бұрын
@@garabic8688 technically yes but are they really comparable from what the Romans were to the Byzantines?
@Dudekoffity
@Dudekoffity 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshuaarroyo7235 Is any society comparable to what it was centuries ago? By that standard, no country today should share a name with any from the past. The Eastern Roman Empire was what was left of the Roman Empire, period.
@radunMARSHAL
@radunMARSHAL 4 жыл бұрын
Well, they didn't have eastern in front, that's how the historians call it to distinguish it from the western part. It called itself Roman and no one had any doubt at that time that they were Romans. Except for Carolingians, they thought they were just Greeks and that they are true Romans. Also, 'Byzantines' didn't exist. That term was coined much after Roman empire finally fell in 1453. Ok, Achaea and Trebizond fell a few decades later, but we are really talking about remnants there. The fall of Constantine's new capital is the point when it fell. Or was it? Was maybe the defeat of Greek Megali Idea, their effort to restore the Roman empire in 1922 the point when the Roman empire ceased to exist completely since no one had any rightful and active claim to the Roman tradition?
@Maydaypayday7
@Maydaypayday7 4 жыл бұрын
Britain: * Places New Tax * 1776 Colonists: *COWABUNGA IT IS.*
@claimingseven72
@claimingseven72 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the lack of representation for the colonies
@garabic8688
@garabic8688 4 жыл бұрын
*America screams in the background*
@alexiramirez2688
@alexiramirez2688 4 жыл бұрын
lol
@fierylightning3422
@fierylightning3422 4 жыл бұрын
Then the colonists tax their own poor people.
@hkchan1339
@hkchan1339 3 жыл бұрын
Britain is actually bankrupted by war in the colonies protecting the British colonies from the French. So they taxed the colonies
@Taurineg
@Taurineg 4 жыл бұрын
Amazon: lol you guys are paying taxes?
@hudsondunn8385
@hudsondunn8385 3 жыл бұрын
State and local taxes be like: We are coming in more ways than one
@Buggabones
@Buggabones 3 жыл бұрын
Amazon doesnt pay tax because it reinvests that profit into operations. The money that would go into federal and corporate tax instead goes to research and development (22.6B more than any other American company.) They invest in property, plants, and equipment for tax credits. (NYC could have enjoyed that) (Around 60B to-date) They also give employee stock compensation instead of cash bonuses. Some would call this "crony capitalism." But tax deductions, tax credits, and other incentives act as an important driver for organizations to then stimulate economic activity, job creation, and innovation.
@madman19931612
@madman19931612 3 жыл бұрын
@@Buggabones "But tax deductions, tax credits, and other incentives act as an important driver for organizations to then stimulate economic activity, job creation, and innovation." Ah yes, this is why amazon employees are among the best payed and most economically stable workers. /s
@Buggabones
@Buggabones 3 жыл бұрын
@@madman19931612 Depends which amazon employees. Entry level warehouse jobs with zero education and zero skills req start you off with 15$/h.. One step up become a Delivery driver. They make 60-70k a year. Thats 20-25% above that national average. Not sure what workers you are referring too. If it was such a bad job they wouldnt have such a huge work force..
@paulverse4587
@paulverse4587 3 жыл бұрын
@@Buggabones Investment is one thing. However, we are talking about profit after investments, and they still barely pay any. There are plenty of ways to dodge taxes, the most known and "brunt" way are of course tax havens but there are many. Setting up a secondary corporation in a tax haven that legally holds patents that the main company has to pay outrageously high costs for, in order to eat up all profits, is one way to shift profits away (though many like these are closed down, many more spring up). In Europe the "Double Irish arrangement " was for quite a while a "trick" for US Companies to avoid 1 trillion in taxiation in total.
@gigaya777
@gigaya777 4 жыл бұрын
The ERE was way more centralized we need a "western medieval country version"
@anderskorsback4104
@anderskorsback4104 3 жыл бұрын
This. The real question is how a feudal lord with maybe three literate and two numerate guys in his entire fief managed to assess the right amount of tax to be levied without either making the taxes too harsh nor too easy to dodge.
@zippyparakeet1074
@zippyparakeet1074 10 ай бұрын
Yep. The ERE is an anomaly, not the norm. It basically was an ancient, highly wealthy and centralised state stuck in the medieval period. In terms of administration and taxation, it resembles more a modern nation than a medieval realm.
@senatuspopulusqueromanum
@senatuspopulusqueromanum 10 ай бұрын
@@anderskorsback4104bc it was the roman empire
@larrysilverstein8606
@larrysilverstein8606 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a simple man, I see the byzantine empire in the thumbnail, I click.
@acaperic359
@acaperic359 4 жыл бұрын
Based
@garabic8688
@garabic8688 4 жыл бұрын
I see you too are a man of culture
@sodinc
@sodinc 4 жыл бұрын
same
@q1w2e3621
@q1w2e3621 4 жыл бұрын
ditto
@haha-kf2xb
@haha-kf2xb 4 жыл бұрын
Why do Europeans like Rome Empire too much
@ultimatecorgi3392
@ultimatecorgi3392 4 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend Life in a Medieval Village for a bit of a peek into how taxes worked on a local level in rural medieval England (I'm well aware that the phrase "rural medieval England" is redundant.) If I remember correctly, in less-developed regions taxes were mostly paid in goods and services, with hard coinage arising in the late middle ages as trade and markets expanded. Local lords in England would provide mostly foodstuffs and labor to their superiors, too. Ancient Rome had an interesting system in which they'd auction the right to tax a province itself to bureaucrats, and whoever bid the most had to collect their bid in taxes from the region.
@AverytheCubanAmerican
@AverytheCubanAmerican 4 жыл бұрын
Prince John: Taxes! Taxes! Beautiful, lovely taxes!
@nannepeters8303
@nannepeters8303 4 жыл бұрын
Hi
@rachard
@rachard 4 жыл бұрын
what movie? eeeeeee
@rachard
@rachard 4 жыл бұрын
@@bv5998 Thx m8 i found it
@acaperic359
@acaperic359 4 жыл бұрын
@@bv5998 kk
@myliegethedukeoffiefdom6431
@myliegethedukeoffiefdom6431 4 жыл бұрын
Prince John: "Rrrrrrrrrrrob the poor to feed the rich, am I right?"
@mariano98ify
@mariano98ify 4 жыл бұрын
0:31 that Roman Empire is beautiful....
@garabic8688
@garabic8688 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know why but the map of Rome in 1025 is so freaking satisfying.... I wish it kept those borders forever
@mariano98ify
@mariano98ify 4 жыл бұрын
@@garabic8688 the best one for me is to see Rome around the Mediterranean that is ult
@georgechristman6920
@georgechristman6920 4 жыл бұрын
It should also include southern Crimea.
@mariano98ify
@mariano98ify 4 жыл бұрын
@@georgechristman6920 Crimea was a client state, not ipso facto of the empire
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 4 жыл бұрын
Its the second Zenith. The Byzantines, unlike many other civilizations had many good comebacks, those territories at 0:31 were made without foreign help/intervention, ublike the ottomans, who the western anti-russians powers were the breath device of the sick of Europe. The Byzantine could be personified by a guy who gets a cold for like 2 days and after is training at the gym with its big muscles
@Djiehh
@Djiehh 2 жыл бұрын
I'm quite impressed you managed to make a video on medieval taxation without using the words "feudal" or "feudalism".
@Montcalf091
@Montcalf091 Жыл бұрын
Eastern Roman Empire didn't have "feudalism" as western europe had during middle ages, the state was much more centralised.
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 4 жыл бұрын
In oversimplified history that would be "Hmmm, theres gonna be a tax for that too"
@carlitosaguacate861
@carlitosaguacate861 4 жыл бұрын
what happened to david archeologist? why didn't he sponsor this video? what's wrong with the world?!? EDIT - Zoomy pointed out in the comments to this comment that he was indeed "namedropped". Meaning that the world is back to normal and we can sleep safely tonight.
@joge3031
@joge3031 4 жыл бұрын
Carlitos Aguacate someone hasn’t paid his taxes (but he thanked him)
@Zoomy
@Zoomy 4 жыл бұрын
No, David Archaeologist was namedropped, right after James Bizzenet.
@carlitosaguacate861
@carlitosaguacate861 4 жыл бұрын
@@Zoomy yes, he was. I'll edit my comment
@Zoomy
@Zoomy 4 жыл бұрын
@@carlitosaguacate861 Also, just want to say I'm glad I'm not the only one that hangs around at the credits to check that David's doing alright.
@dewaynerichardson5895
@dewaynerichardson5895 4 жыл бұрын
I wanna know what happened to Ozarka Flash
@altasilvapuer
@altasilvapuer Жыл бұрын
"You get a bill at the end of the year" Cries in American Tax Code.
@mrme247
@mrme247 4 жыл бұрын
The beginning makes me laugh "either you get a bill at the end of the month or it comes out your paycheck before you even see it" yep sounds about right 😂
@SamAronow
@SamAronow 4 жыл бұрын
"These things be cold and not warm. They should not be eaten in such a fashion!" "But there be tax if we warm them, sir!"
@AlRoderick
@AlRoderick 4 жыл бұрын
I know! I set the taxes!
@ragingsage3973
@ragingsage3973 4 жыл бұрын
That Byzantine Empire 1025 AD map 😍
@danske613
@danske613 Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: from 1002 to 1028, the Byzantines also Forced The Wealthly Aristocrats to pay for their Peasant's Shortfalls in their taxes
@zippyparakeet1074
@zippyparakeet1074 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, thanks to Emperor Basil. If only he was succeeded by Emperors who were just as strong as him.
@danske613
@danske613 10 ай бұрын
@@zippyparakeet1074 if only....
@grantwilson4506
@grantwilson4506 3 жыл бұрын
"The Emperor will get his rent when you fix this DAMNED DOOR!"
@royalroyal2210
@royalroyal2210 Жыл бұрын
"This is Byzantine Empire, not rent-free Empire!"
@carlnikolov
@carlnikolov 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making these videos. Your content is very fun to watch
@tiodichia5309
@tiodichia5309 4 жыл бұрын
This video came out EXACTLY when I needed it! I went to look up how medieval taxes worked and BOOM! In my inbox is this video. I am amazed!
@morebaklavapls3637
@morebaklavapls3637 4 жыл бұрын
This channel's animations are always hilarious😂😂
@flameoguy3804
@flameoguy3804 3 жыл бұрын
This video could be better if it also went over taxation in the Holy Roman Empire. It could use a 'tale of two empires' format to compare the different medieval 'Roman Empires' and their different levels of centralization. Its pretty well-known that the Holy Roman Empire was more of a confederated system with many tiny states, and it would be interesting seeing how their tax system measured up to that of a centralized state like in Constantinople.
@zippyparakeet1074
@zippyparakeet1074 10 ай бұрын
The lands of the Byzantine Empire were the most productive lands in the entire medieval Europe and the Near East, not because they were exceptionally fertile- in fact, Anatolia and the Balkans are very hilly but rather, because of their advanced taxation system and well oiled bureaucracy that they inherited from their ancient Roman past. A testament to that is their currency- the Nomisma aka the Solidus- which was introduced by Constantine the Great in the 4th century and it remained the same value i.e suffered from no inflation until at least the 12th century. That's 800 years of economic stability. The farmland was owned by the farmer instead of large estate owning nobility and the government guaranteed them a lot of rights thus ensuring that the farmers had disposable income which allowed them to spend on goods (proto consumerism) and allowed them to buy better equipment to boost farmland productivity. The Emperors also encouraged the production of cash crops such as olives, fruits and animal husbandry to ensure a diversified income and state export. The government also prudently maintained the infrastructure they had inherited from their past so, while being incapable of creating new infrastructure, they really didn't even have the need to because their ancestors had made so much of it and all they needed to do was maintain it. They maintained the old aqueducts, canals, dams and ensured the old Roman roads remained in good condition for smooth movement of silk road caravans and Byzantine troops. Their administration and bureaucracy resemble more of a modern nation state than a typical medieval kingdom meanwhile the HRE is the quintessential medieval state. The rights to taxation were sold by the king to the highest bidder and that bidder, upon acquiring them, made sure to fleece the peasantry to he can make the money he spent to get the rights to the estate. It was horrible and stifled productivity while keeping the realm decentralized. This is why it's kinda true that the HRE was neither Roman nor an Empire. As for Holy, well, nothing is holy. Meanwhile the Eastern Romans did their best to continue prudent Roman policies and preserve Roman infrastructure and systems.
@musAKulture
@musAKulture 3 жыл бұрын
depending on the region and times, the taxes can vary. during the time of confucius, the people were taxed at about 10-20%. a burden that forced people to live in the mountains that had man-eating tigers. and he said "taxes are worse than tigers". by Qin, the taxes were 2/3 of all farm produce. after Qin fell, early Han's tax was 1/30 of the produce. Tang, Song, Yuan roughly 7% equivalent of income. Ming, 4% Qing, 7% currently, it's 15% sales, various amounts in tariffs, and about 20-25% of employment income.
@WoWhistorian
@WoWhistorian 2 жыл бұрын
I do think it's worth noting the relative value one gets out of taxes today than they did back then, though, lol.
@ErikPT
@ErikPT Жыл бұрын
To be fair China had a series of dynasties which complicated what the state was financing another war or another conquest.
@hmr1122
@hmr1122 4 жыл бұрын
The universe has two absolutes, death and taxes.
@pchavez8833
@pchavez8833 4 жыл бұрын
LagiNaLangAko23 Same thing as death basically lol.
@astral9138
@astral9138 4 жыл бұрын
Tax Collector: you watch this video? there's a Tax for that.
@KeithMetoyer
@KeithMetoyer 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching his videos for years now, why am I just now subbing?
@oliversherman2414
@oliversherman2414 Жыл бұрын
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!!!
@OlafoWaffle
@OlafoWaffle 4 жыл бұрын
Wow nobody came down with an acute case of "The Deads" in this video.
@robdenini6972
@robdenini6972 3 жыл бұрын
I like how you used Basil II and the map of the empire during his reign. Definitely the best byzantine emperor
@Jin-Ro
@Jin-Ro 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Stamp duty in England was instituted to pay for one of the wars against France. Still paying it.
@BC4EVER
@BC4EVER 4 жыл бұрын
bring back longer videos... i want to know more details, and your quality is the best
@maxis2k
@maxis2k 2 жыл бұрын
Citizen: "I can't pay any more taxes! I'm dead!" Bureaucracy: "Wanna bet?"
@TotallyNotElPresidente
@TotallyNotElPresidente 4 жыл бұрын
Tfw History Matters gets salty about his taxes and dedicates a video to it in hopes of angering the lot of us into revolution...I'm in, when do we start?
@johnmccrossan9376
@johnmccrossan9376 3 жыл бұрын
Sometime next may, it's too late to organise for this year but it's best to hit them right before the new year's taxes are collected when their reserves are at the lowest
@al-yasalunat419
@al-yasalunat419 4 жыл бұрын
88 dislikes are from people who can’t afford to pay their tax
@RealClutchMcGee
@RealClutchMcGee 4 жыл бұрын
Al-Yasa Lunat 7 now
@Nyxael5845
@Nyxael5845 4 жыл бұрын
I know this is stale but... Yoshi: *sweats*
@MaxwellTornado
@MaxwellTornado 4 жыл бұрын
If it's only 1 dislike, it's not their. Just His/her.
@PANZERFAUST90
@PANZERFAUST90 4 жыл бұрын
his*
@mirzaahmed6589
@mirzaahmed6589 4 жыл бұрын
None of us can.
@gourmand3
@gourmand3 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do one on how toilets and waste were cleaned back then
@ajones3038
@ajones3038 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to hear about medieval swedish finance such as shares of stock and property rights in addition to taxes
@MrWolfman229
@MrWolfman229 4 жыл бұрын
Love seeing videos on the Medieval Romans!
@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded
@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded 7 ай бұрын
Same here.
@baoparty
@baoparty 4 жыл бұрын
Love the pace! Not too fast! Can you do the same vid for medieval empires in Far East Asia?
@jrvalanze
@jrvalanze Жыл бұрын
James Bissonette always paid his taxes in full. Good man that James
@125discipline2
@125discipline2 3 жыл бұрын
"nobody like paying it" everybody felt that
@IncredibleMD
@IncredibleMD 4 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty straightforward way of collecting taxes. It's not very Byzantine at all. Jokes aside, any plans to do a video on how less centralized states managed to collect taxes?
@taylordinney1484
@taylordinney1484 4 жыл бұрын
You know you are a nerd when you can recognize a cataphract in this art style.
@CaptainAmaziiing
@CaptainAmaziiing 2 жыл бұрын
My dog got cataphracts. Poor old guy couldn't see a thing.
@zippyparakeet1074
@zippyparakeet1074 10 ай бұрын
​@@CaptainAmaziiingi think you got them too
@Razzor012YT
@Razzor012YT 4 жыл бұрын
If Yoshi was sent back in time he could commit tax fraud
@tylerellis9097
@tylerellis9097 4 жыл бұрын
More like “How were Byzantine Taxes Collected”
@felixf1614
@felixf1614 3 жыл бұрын
came here for this
@MuchWhittering
@MuchWhittering 3 жыл бұрын
This may surprise you, but different countries do things differently, and 3 minutes isn't long enough to explain all of them.
@tylerellis9097
@tylerellis9097 3 жыл бұрын
@@MuchWhittering Or here’s a thought......just don’t name your video “how were medieval taxes collected” if you’re gonna focus on the Empire that’s 1. Not the region people think of when you say medieval and who 2. Had a tax system unlike most of Europe or the world for that matter. And depending on the year of the Byzantine Empire you’re talking about it’s not even medieval but Late Antiquity.
@Georgios1821
@Georgios1821 3 жыл бұрын
You mean Roman taxes
@funkie1221
@funkie1221 3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerellis9097 completely agree. Byzantine Empire wasn't even a feudal society in the common sense.
@ScottOrr95
@ScottOrr95 3 жыл бұрын
It's good to see nothing has changed in the sense of "no one wants to pay them"
@JamesTrifolium
@JamesTrifolium 3 жыл бұрын
The USA: “Here, 30 documents you have to sit and read through. We won’t directly mention what you need to pay, so you’ll have to guess. But if you guess wrong we’ll send you to ja-a-il!” Sweden: “Here, one piece of paper. The amount you need to pay is right there, go into the app and send us the money.”
@ragael1024
@ragael1024 3 жыл бұрын
"Well, to everyone's surprise, the people who bore the brunt of taxation were the peasantry." Yup, shocker there
@0rangevlad
@0rangevlad 4 жыл бұрын
It's simple: Don't pay? Say goodbye today.
@LovleyLemonade
@LovleyLemonade 3 жыл бұрын
If you were the Dragonborn, it was taken out of an inheritance of a friend that you may or may not have killed. Other than that, you pay nothing.
@charlesedwardandrewlincoln8181
@charlesedwardandrewlincoln8181 2 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in more videos on tax history.
@mayo450m
@mayo450m 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel it might be even better than oversimplified
@timfortune9
@timfortune9 4 жыл бұрын
"Let me tell you how it will be. That's one for you, 19 for me." - George Harrison
@Benzknees
@Benzknees 4 жыл бұрын
In the days of 98% tax rates, he was actually understating it!
@NotKnafo
@NotKnafo 4 жыл бұрын
2:42 consistent to this day btw
@smc1942
@smc1942 3 жыл бұрын
These days, Corrupt Politicians pass laws to exempt themselves from taxes, while giving themselves raises. All paid for by the people who actually WORK!
@tulipalll
@tulipalll 4 жыл бұрын
LOVE THESE!!! MORE!!!!
@valentinstoyanov304
@valentinstoyanov304 2 жыл бұрын
By the way, the Ottoman Empire adopted the Byzantine tax system to a very large extent. My people (the Bulgarians) were subjects of these both empires and the similarities are obvious.
@kiandocherty3589
@kiandocherty3589 4 жыл бұрын
Man this was a surprisingly straight forward system and not Byzantine at all.
@HunterShows
@HunterShows Жыл бұрын
I think if you really look at it though, it was a Byzantine system.
@zippyparakeet1074
@zippyparakeet1074 10 ай бұрын
Byzantine became a term synonymous with overcomplication because the Byzantine Empire's system descended from its ancient Roman past and was highly advanced. The illiterate barbarians of Western Europe found it too complex to understand and so the word became synonymous with complication. Source: I made it up.
@stefcho7717
@stefcho7717 4 жыл бұрын
Great channel
@fishnujish1511
@fishnujish1511 3 жыл бұрын
Me: *farming* Tax Collector: ITS -DAX- TAX!
@VenomousCompany
@VenomousCompany 4 жыл бұрын
One of the main reasons I became a farmer is that I get to claim back a lot of tax. Cause who would want to pay tax to the British Government and by extension the European Union?
@VenomousCompany
@VenomousCompany 4 жыл бұрын
@TheWeeaboo/videos Nah. I was very tired when I wrote that comment. When tired I make mistakes. Nothing to do with speaking English.
@MuchWhittering
@MuchWhittering 3 жыл бұрын
I assume then you never use any of the following: The police Hospitals The fire brigade Waste management Roads Street lights Schools
@VenomousCompany
@VenomousCompany 3 жыл бұрын
@@MuchWhittering Some of the tax goes towards good. But then again about 40% of tax goes towards Welfare in the UK. And the education system is horrible now. The NHS is terrible. I would rather have the American Healthcare system and pay for good treatment and not wait for like 8 hours to get seen. In fact the average person spends less on healthcare in America than they do in the UK. When you consider how much of tax goes to healthcare.
@Finn_the_Cat
@Finn_the_Cat 4 жыл бұрын
0:10, I think they are in Russia, just thought I’d point that out for no reason
@BritishRepublicsn
@BritishRepublicsn 3 жыл бұрын
Nah my guess is South Africa
@Finn_the_Cat
@Finn_the_Cat 3 ай бұрын
​@@BritishRepublicsnnah I think it's south America
@wagwagz6062
@wagwagz6062 4 жыл бұрын
History Matters is awesome!
@knightshade1297
@knightshade1297 4 жыл бұрын
I have been wondering this for a long time
@MahsaKaerra
@MahsaKaerra 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if in the modern world you had the ability to choose how you pay your taxes, be it in money, valued goods or unpaid labour. Governments of the world would very quickly find themselves with immense cash deficits.
@jipeh
@jipeh 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think so, you'd still have to pay the same value so you'd have to choose between your house or car or a lifetime of unpaid labour
@MrBones-ky6fb
@MrBones-ky6fb 4 жыл бұрын
"Pay me, Nerd." Yep, sounds like the IRS to me.
@attiepollard7847
@attiepollard7847 4 жыл бұрын
This is why we need a national sales tax on goods and services and end the income tax.
@Incubator859
@Incubator859 4 жыл бұрын
@@attiepollard7847 You're just raising prices on goods and services if that's the case. The net effect is still the same, less purchasing power.
@attiepollard7847
@attiepollard7847 4 жыл бұрын
@@Incubator859 no we are not goods will be market base and rival companies also put their goods out on the market to undercut high price goods. Also I'm willing to have a debate about what to tax on G&S Tax. No one should be tax on what they make on income or inheritance.
@Incubator859
@Incubator859 4 жыл бұрын
@@attiepollard7847 Raising taxes on goods means you just raise the prices on goods. VAT is just one example of this and companies did raise prices to compensate for the increase in value added tax. Try living in the real world instead of projecting your lolbertarian fantasies into reality, then come back to me.
@attiepollard7847
@attiepollard7847 4 жыл бұрын
@@Incubator859 then end the income tax to offset the cost on VAT.
@chakraborty1989
@chakraborty1989 Жыл бұрын
Hey history matters, at 0:24 it's the map of Europe in which year? I used to thought it's year 1200 cause England have Normandy and Brittney under control but Byzantine by then lost southern Italy, which still shows in ur map, can you help?
@TheGreatCooLite
@TheGreatCooLite 4 жыл бұрын
I got a Turbotax ad before this 😳
@rulerofeternity7910
@rulerofeternity7910 2 жыл бұрын
The Byzantine Empire under Basil II had some awesome looking borders (Italy kinda ruined it a bit but who would complain about more land :P)
@derekr1394
@derekr1394 4 жыл бұрын
How were taxes paid in the U.S. before income taxes as we know it now? That would be a good episode.
@CaptainAmaziiing
@CaptainAmaziiing 2 жыл бұрын
Depends if you are talking state or federal government. The federal government used to be tiny, and was paid mostly with tariffs. States and cities were more property and sales taxes.
@TheKeithvidz
@TheKeithvidz 4 жыл бұрын
Saved for my medieval story.
@mrmashed5104
@mrmashed5104 4 жыл бұрын
Some perfect timing, we’re learning how to do our taxes in FACS class
@user-ep5bk1un5d
@user-ep5bk1un5d 4 жыл бұрын
We demand MORE Byzantine videos! More! Magis!! περισσότερο!!!
@abobobini
@abobobini 4 жыл бұрын
I'd be curious to see how taxes were collected in less imperial and more feudal nations of the time, such as France and England.
@danielv4180
@danielv4180 4 жыл бұрын
Basically the same, a wealth tax rather than earning, there was a period in England where the number of windows affected your level of tax which is why lots of very old buildings in England have bricked up windows
@abobobini
@abobobini 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielv4180 that's interesting and rather peculiar. I'd still love a more in depth video on the matter, especially if there are weird stipulations like the one you mentioned. Also, I would be interested to see how collection was handled in less centralized areas that didn't have as prominent a bureaucracy as the Byzantines.
@michaelpocci1876
@michaelpocci1876 4 жыл бұрын
Will you do some 10 minute video/videos in future, I really miss them since they were mostly about some interesting country like USSR, France, UK, US, Spain,... etc. Hopefully you’ll answer ;)
@groerhahn225
@groerhahn225 2 жыл бұрын
"No taxation without representation" "Represen what?"
@mortenkjellreitan1649
@mortenkjellreitan1649 4 жыл бұрын
10% on income. The most fair way.
@Dagreatdudeman
@Dagreatdudeman 4 жыл бұрын
And to this day the wealthiest still pay the least.
@attiepollard7847
@attiepollard7847 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with paying last taxes to the government. Government has to give everyone rich and poor to pay taxes or other taxes that are high.
@LukeGeoDude
@LukeGeoDude 4 жыл бұрын
Only in America.
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 4 жыл бұрын
in Britain the majority of taxes paid are by the wealthy. Britain actually depends on the tax receipts of the wealthy which isn't particularly comforting.
@attiepollard7847
@attiepollard7847 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joker-yw9hl I love uk history but damn I'm happy I don't live there because of those taxes.
@AlRoderick
@AlRoderick 4 жыл бұрын
The wealthy get their money by shaking down the poor. So the state can charge the poor money or the rich can charge the poor money and use it to pay their taxes to the state, one way or the other it's working people bearing the load.
@aryanpokharel1181
@aryanpokharel1181 4 жыл бұрын
Please make video about Nepalese history. I assure you'll fall in love with Nepalese history❣️
@8thLegio
@8thLegio 4 жыл бұрын
Incredible
@baylorsmith555
@baylorsmith555 4 жыл бұрын
Call Robin Hood
@1slandB0y77
@1slandB0y77 Жыл бұрын
Imagine how different the world would be if we could all allocate where our taxes got spent. We'd find out REAL quick just how "popular" vote-buying government projects and policies were...
@fishnujish1511
@fishnujish1511 3 жыл бұрын
So no big men walking around Calradia going "Your money or or your life!" in a sluggish voice
@adamjaafar3754
@adamjaafar3754 4 жыл бұрын
Where do you get your sources from?
@donvitocorleone7863
@donvitocorleone7863 4 жыл бұрын
I am a simple man so when I see this format I copy it.
@kallaji7383
@kallaji7383 2 жыл бұрын
Important note: People used to pay only 25% of their income roughly in taxes. In the modern era, taxes can exceed 50% of your income in many industrial countries.
@EroticOnion23
@EroticOnion23 2 жыл бұрын
"The bureaucracy must expand to accommodate the expanding bureaucracy"...more people to pay, while production stays roughly the same.
@kallaji7383
@kallaji7383 2 жыл бұрын
@@EroticOnion23 Yes, indeed! It's a rip off.
@silencemeviolateme6076
@silencemeviolateme6076 Жыл бұрын
It all goes for tax and the essentials no matter how they slice it up and take it away.
@TrueMechTech
@TrueMechTech Жыл бұрын
We pay 13% as direct income tax, then 10% or 20% on the goods we buy, but this is a passive tax already included in the price
@BADD1ONE
@BADD1ONE Жыл бұрын
​@@TrueMechTechplus SS Medicare and FICA
@gamerx112
@gamerx112 3 жыл бұрын
I hope he covers the transition of maritime traders from retail to wholesale.
@herculeskoutalidis1369
@herculeskoutalidis1369 4 жыл бұрын
Byzantine/eastern roman history videos are very very interesting :D
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