They're pretty audible, so there's hope!

@@LastLineOfDefense Jokes aside, these are super neat. However, I'll hold out for the eventual Howl Mini (Howl Pup?) -- something cheaper and less taxing on cargo space. Also, Randall owes me a prototype if he makes the Howl Pup happen. lol

yea all this goofy shit is ridiculously priced

Innovation almost always comes at a cost, unfortunately - especially when it’s taken on by a small startup. But like I said in the video, i agree, it is an expensive product.

@@LastLineOfDefense It’s not just expensive though. It’s almost laughable how much it costs.

@@PNWCamper1955 And the fuel consumption alone is wild compared to other capable propane fire pits. just 6 hours off a 20lb tank? Yikes. It's an awesome product for sure. BUT insanely expensive startup and operating costs. It's honestly the only reason I prefer Ignik vs LavaBox... Yeah, the LavaBox can output more BTU's but the fuel consumption is where you need to outweigh the actual benefit of those added btu's...

I've got 2 different sparklers fires, I'm drooling for this one. Price is no object when you know you can blast some heat and not burn down the area!! - Not sure where you're based, husband and I have our individual rigs in Fairplay. Thanks for not sharing the trails!!!! We locals appreciate it!!!

Agreed- They should modify the legs to a spindle style you can screw in for setup & stow internally for travel. I’d bet they find a way to reduce the cost in the next gen, when Mike said it was **expensive** I thought he was going to drop an $899 price tag but $1,300 🤯

@@484465 Totally. I usually have no problem splurging on camping gear either but this is just outside the realm of any justification. It feels wasteful.

Eh, it's just a wall with a bunch of boxes and a few printers in it. "KZfaq filming space" sounds more ghetto, which it is, haha.

Haha indeed it was!

​@@LastLineOfDefenseI love the design work that went into this thing. It really is expensive, but I but sounds worth it.

Yeah, BTU isn't a very accurate measurement of felt warmth. Firecans are cool (I have Lavabox), but they put out heat straight up to be blown away. If there's no wind at all, and you kind of stand above them, and manage to not burn your clothes with the flame moving around - they do put out some heat. Certainly the price is right, and they provide good ambiance - but for actual warmth, nothing touches the Howl currently. Is it worth the price? Eh, to some people, but not all.

@@LastLineOfDefense Good take. You are right in that BTU aren't the only measurement of heat, but they're probably the most measurable. I like the Howl, a lot, but with a Firecan with lava rocks there's also emanating heat. I believe the Howl is definitely warmer, just don't know that the higher output is worth 5x+. I only mention all this because overlanding has moved towards a totally inaccessible price point, where costs aren't correlated to expenses, but to the market. I'm certain these guys invested a ton of time and resources to bring this to life, but so did every startup, many of which do value accessibility.

​@SD8_ yea. I'm with you. I'll be waiting for the more realistic brand making the same thing, or actually tackling it in my garage with some tubing and a welder.

You're onto something. We've been having the full campfire experience in some pretty cool places: the back deck, the trailhead, the ski area parking lot, etc. A buddy in Alabama is about to install one on the deck of his fishing boat. Definitely opens up some options, including the freedom in a burn ban.

That's my plan for sure! 👍

the yelp.

Yeah you'd have to use it a fair bit definitely to justify the cost

Jeeps can be tight, but you might be surprised. If you have room for a bundle of wood, you probably have room for a Howl.

Maybe I’ll try it. I’d guess something like that would work, albeit you’d need to be closer and heat would be much higher and it’d be less ideal for warming your body/legs. A little more cumbersome and less effective, but cheaper for sure

Yep, I get it. I'm just saying that if the big selling point of this fire pit is the IR heat, there are cheaper ways to get that radiated heat. One idea is putting cast iron onto any type of fire pit. I just used the propane stand as an example because they are really cheap. @@LastLineOfDefense

I'm a big gen 1 / early adopter / help pay for innovation type of guy honestly. But yeah, the 2nd gen often is improved upon, but sometimes more expensive.

@@LastLineOfDefense that's awesome that you help drive innovation and bring new products to the market! I try to be a buy once cry once kind of guy.

@@MisterTengu We're pretty aligned on the buy once cry once mentality. That's a lot of why it took us three years to come to market. Couldn't in good conscience let customers be our guinea pigs. That said, a man's got to have a code, and yours is a good one.

Great question. It's a pretty revolutionary tech. We're happy to share about it because 1) the US Patent Office is protecting us stateside) and 2 it's way too difficult and precise for an Alibaba knock-off factory to replicate.

BioLites, Solo Stoves, Breeos, etc. solve for some issues. But since they burn wood, you can't use them in a burn ban.

Oh yeah - I have rocket style, and the big bucket style ones - but both different concepts and wouldn't really be viable in the same settings. But in a relatively enclosed space, they do work!

I don't think anyone said other fire pits don't give off heat, that'd be impossible, because physics.

Haha yeah, I don't disagree - though I never used those words in the video I'm talking about.