They don't want to make it upgradeable, they want to sell another computer to you.

I agree with Hoosier Hardware that HP's decisions to make everything on this system so proprietary have rendered it not worth upgrading. Sadly, I went this route a couple years ago because it was the PC that I could afford and I thought it would be a good foundation for a future upgrade. I'll list all the details of what I did below, so you don't have to... Or, at least, know what you're in for if you want to upgrade one of these systems. If I had to do it over again, I would just build a new PC at this point. During Best Buy's Black Friday sale in 2019, I picked up an HP TP01-0034 (Intel Core i7-8700 with a 256 SSD) for $479. I planned to upgrade the video card, but sat on the sidelines until the crypto craze came to an end and GPU prices came down to 'normal' levels. At that point, I knew the 180W PSU wouldn't drive any of the relatively current GPUs. So, I scoured the internet and found there are two (proprietary) HP PSUs that could be bought for inflated prices when compared to standard PSUs. The options are the 400W PSU (L04618-800) and the 500W PSU (L05757-800). Both can be ordered from HP at partsurfer.hp.com or from other resellers. I went with the 500W PSU (~$150 shipped vs $105 shipped for the 400W PSU). Installation of the PSU was plug and play. Next up was the video card. I ordered a GIGABYTE Eagle OC GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB as it is a 'shorter' length card with only 2 fans. The card barely fits in the case. However, HP's absurd board design places one of the two 4-pin power supply cables for the motherboard nearly directly in line with the video card. When both are plugged in, the plug obstructs the video card from fitting straight in the slot and pushes the card on an angle that I was not comfortable with leaving that way. I ended up de-pinning the plug and cutting down the plastic connector to no longer come in contact with the video card housing. I re-pinned the cable and wrapped the wires (separately and then together) with electrical tape to keep them directed away from the GPU. WARNING: If you are not knowledgeable with working with electronics that store electricity, do not try de-pinning a PSU. The case now has the needed power and a more current GPU. It runs current games smoothly and with good frame rates; however, this highlighted the next problem with this PC. Airflow. It has none. That is a requirement with modern GPUs. They need good airflow. This case doesn't have it. And, as other's have commented about HP's production of e-waste, this is another example; this PC's motherboard only has a single fan header and no place to mount a second case fan. At this point, I'm either going to get creative with the case and find a way to retrofit the case to support a 2 fan setup that run off of a single 3 pin fan header (and free up the air intake) or I'm just going to build a new system and carry over the components that are worth keeping. If you have one of these systems and are thinking of upgrading it, you now have more information of what will be involved. Good luck and happy gaming!

Gotta remember these weren't made as gaming systems but home desktop systems. I picked up the i5 11400 variant and it's pretty nice to use as a normal workstation. Sure they're upgradable but most end users won't ever perform an upgrade. At most I see end users upgrade to dual channel ram instead of the single channel they ship with.

You can get an atx adapter for these now for like 10 bucks. Also my opinion is they just wanted to be cheap. Strip down all the extra bells and whistles from a normal motherboard and power supply and they save some money on both. They have engineers who would do that to justify their existence.

Buy a sfx psu, the 4pins plugs are 2x 4pins cpu. Jump the green and black cable on the ATX 24pins cable. For the proprietary plug leave it disconnected. My psu screwed only 2 of the 4 screws and I might have to drill holes under the case for airflow.

Many years from now when it becomes a budget used desktop, I can see gamers adding a secondary PSU using a “add2psu” adapter. Not exactly the safest thing sure but it could work, especially in a bigger case

It is maddening that OEMs do this! Like Dell once you get past the 7010/9010, the newer models use proprietary Mobo connections! Why?!?!

Amazon has both 400 and 500 watt PSUs New, I recently installed my 500 watt PSU but they are not cheap...

Search l04618-800 and choose encompass computers for the 400 watt power supply for this unit. Its about $80.00. This is the HP location to purchase. People will scalp everything. They make me sick. I need one myself, but dont want to spend the 80 + shipping. I have the i3 8100 version. Oh btw, how is Fort Wayne?

Can you recommend a great desk top Home computer tower with 16gb of ram and lots of ssd storage space that would allow for future soft ware updates like windows 12 13 14 ..... thanks.

Once you see the HP GTX 1060 you can't unsee it! :/

Here's how you do it you use one extra power supply and a stock one That's how you do it then there's a green while that you just ran awhile from one power supply to the other power supply

I just returned mine. Thank goodness i didnt open it in the week i had it.

Agreed! I picked up the 4700 variant and was disappointed to discover all the HP proprietary connections on the motherboard.

The screw pattern is wrong for over the counter motherboards, the in out in front is soldered to the motherboard. Nothing is useful again but the memory, storeage and the Ram.

Hey man! I wanted to replace the psu on this pc and idk what psu to choose can you help me choose one out? Idk if you are gonna see this but if you do please reply to this😀

Wow. This is what makes pre-builts such poor value.

Buddy, I have a few questions, you mentioned that it comes with an Unbalanced Pair of Memory Sticks. You didn't mention if this affects Dual Channel Memory Performance? I assume a must upgrade is to replace one of the memory sticks to 4/4 or 8/8 and make it balanced and that will improve memory performance? Just for fun can you actually test to see if it really truly 'boots' with a no6pin video card? Never assume. Maybe the HP motherboard bios has something that prevents booting. We need to know if it boots fine with an RX560 and a 1050ti. Is it plug n play? Its not a gaming pc so its kinda normal for Dell and HP and Lenovo to cripple the motherboard. I assume tho that with time the aftermarket community in ASIA will create the Power Supply Adapters necessary for the motherboard but then you will still need a Wheel Cutter to cut out the back of the case abit. The integrated graphics on that cpu is pretty decent its not too far behind a 1030. Passmark shows 2128, wheras a 1030 passmark score is 2620. Which should be more than enough for Indies Games and GOG Games. Of course please take into account thats raw performance. The 1030 will pull ahead even more because of its 2gb of ddr5 plus if the game is optimized for invidia drivers than you get a boost there as well. I just checked Microcenter, Westmont IL Theres over 25 brand new gt1030 ddr5 2gb in stock for $105 plus tax Pickup the pavilion, pickup a replacement ram stick, and pickup a 1030 and that should hold u over for a good long while. Dont assume video cards are coming back anytime soon. They mite never ever come back. Thanks for the video buddy.

No computer should ship with an SSD smaller than 500GB. Also a 1TB hard drive is getting a bit small for a hard drive these days..should be atleast 2TB. Computers in 2008 with hard drives shipped with more storage than half these computers with SSD’s now. What a joke.

Is a Used hp pavilion desktop 590 any good for Music production software like Reason and Abalten? I'm not interested in games.

My Best friend mom wanted a computer for Home work, no gaming and I picked out this HP but with the Ryzen 7 5600G and 15Gigs Ram. She loves it and i was happy about picking out this one until i watched some videos on it. Now I'm a little sad I didnt know it was proprietary

I own this piece of junk. DOA after exactly 3 years, Tp01-0014 Junk!

@Hoosier So it's kind of like the ATX 12 VO PSU that LTT did a video on? Different pinout though.

Excel link with hp power supply numbers and wattage you might be able to swap with.

I have trhis PC wanted to know if i can lay it on its side?

I have this exact pc and I just bought a Corsair 750 ps for my newly bought rx6600 and I think ur right that the weird multi color cable is not gonna work with my new ps. Anyone know how to help cuz I waited a week with no pc for this

I have a GEFORCE GTX 1050ti 4gb by NVIDA card I want to install in this unit. Can I use this?

I found a HP M01-F0016 with 250w, what gpu do you think I can add on this rig?

Mine has the Ryzen 7 4700g and can't even play 7 days to die or like any games really besides sims 4

Its upgradeable i just did mine and xheap

but if youre looking for a PC that can apparently deliver 4K at 60FPS video streaming and has all the latest wifi and bluetooth, has no interest in gaming and no interest in upgrading this seems perfect.

i bought an acer n50 nitro pc with a r5 3500 about 978$ cdn and it was the cheapest to get a somewhat decent gpu for my rig , put my 1050 in my son's pc to replace his 1030 i paid too much for. i also switched his R3 3100 for the R5 3500.i have put all the remaining parts in the acer pc and my youngest daughter asked me to have it ....... so, Buying prebuilt for the gpu didnt work as expected. and now my other daughter is like i want one too so i'm not out of the woods just yet lol . the acer pc also has some proprietary connectors for sata and psu, the cooler is also with screws not in standard configuration and the dvd drive( yes they still exist lol) also has some proprietary cabling pluging in a dock to slide the "laptop looking" dvd drive in. it has a 1tb hdd and the mb has a m.2 slot but i have to remove the hdd bay and the dvd drive bay since both cover the system where the m.2 slot is . i bought the original prebuilt at a nearby staples store . it seems to suffer from the same 1 8gb stick disease as mostly all prebuilt i've seen so far. now i have a all black generic gtx1650 4gb gddr5 with a big sticker saying " don't touch " on the gpu fan that even gpu-z cannot identify who built it with the lookup button lol XD. it's looks is almost like buying a chinese card knockoff from aliexpress lol

I just found a used one online for just 150 euro, locally. Just checking to make sure if its worth it to perhaps re-sell or just sell all the parts loose. It still comes with a gtx 1050 ti and all that.Re-selling the cpu and gpu in my country would already make me a profit and have the rest of the parts left over ... too bad the motherboard and the psu are a bitch to transplant ...

I just took the ryzen 5 2400g from mine and bought rog b450f for $80 and got apex going at 75-115fps 1080p nearly max setting lol

No proprietary is tfx power not atx

glad I don't have a system like this.

Hey Hoosier I like this HP Case.. I found one today actually with i7 8700 and 8 gigs of DDR4. Having the 310 watt PSU probably affords me a GPU upgrade over the intel HD 630 integrated graphics. GTX 1050ti/1650 for light gaming? I'm pretty stoked on upgrading it with fast storage and GPU.

HP back to their custom PSU roots. I hate they do this, intels already given you a 12VO only standard why not use that.

This is sad. Locking such a solid CPU in a usless mobo. I just got an older Lenovo ThinkStation S30 with a Xeon E5 1620 and 32 gb of quad channel ddr3 ram for 500 usd and have all the room and power for most mid tier GPUs. Used workstations with a GPU upgrade is the best bet most have the way computer component prices have been lately.

so , If you want HP gaming pc, buy the Omen Hp series...

Over the years I've seen lots of HP prebuilds... this one might be the grossest looking one I've seen. HP has always cheaped out on PSU and Mobo, this is pretty standard for them

Make great two bay NAS systems

I'm watching this on a that pavilion model

Wow VGA gots to go

this is e-waste, this should be illegal, I don't know why the US Government allow this type of product to be sold in the country, they obviously want customers to buy a new computer every 2 years, whoever have had a desktop PC for years, you know you always have to replace the power supply, it usually gets damage, sometimes I use the parts from different old pcs to build a nice desktop, now all of this parts are useless, HP should be sue for this.

Hp machines being hp machines.

Use L77487-001 80 plus plat all connectors match even bolt pattern im tellin this pc is the same shape has victus

This kind of system is nothing but E-Waste. The CPU is the only good thing in it.

100% agree HP Sucks.....And the bios update from their websight has been known to screw up and totally black screen you to death ....Even if you get past that it comes back to haunt you.

as a PC technician who sales off-lease rigs to clients, due to it being eco-friendly. I only sell HP, Dell, Lenovo rigs to users who aren't power users. So simple office use, or web browsing or Facebook kinda tasks. Since usually the off-lease rigs I offer to clients are dead end systems and usually proprietary parts inside. If a client doesn't want off-lease then I'll go to a local SI for a new build, however, in my years of dealing with clients, I've only had to sell a brand new rig like 2x. The rest I've sold to users on a budget..and they aren't gamers. I don't have any gamer clients, since for the most part gamers, work their rigs harder than a web browsing rig or media center rig. Usually also, gamers know what they are doing with their build "usually". I know there are those who are newbs in the DIY rig building space, so have to factor that also. My own rigs have been either build by my own hands, or a local SI. I haven't gone to an SI since 2008, since I like the feeling of accomplishment after building a rig :)

never had a good experience with anything HP except the old hp tower slimelines that every school had. Laptop build quality and their desktops just suck and have dumb issues.

I'M NOT A GAMER........................IS THIS DESKTOP OK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION???

It's a consumer pc for web and typewriter programs 😂 Not a gaming pc! So why do you complain about it? You can't take a Fiat 500 and pretend to be upgradable to a Mercedes!😢😂😊

😃 yay Indiana

Hold on, there! Who said this is a gaming computer? Not Costco. Their least expensive computer listed for gaming is about $900, has 16GB RAM, 500GB SSD, 2TB HDD. I bought the HP primarily for communications, Internet access, and to use the Libreoffice Suite. Mine came with a Ryzen 5 5600g and a 2TB HDD. It’s way more than I need, but the lowest price I could find. If you want a gaming computer, buy one. Don’t try to make an office computer something it’s not intended to be.

I have extra GPU's just hit me up. I'm serious! Don't you read your Instagram?

garbage motherboard, your main platform, enough said lol, CPU only thing worth anything

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Ah yes good old OEM crap here lads (and that's why you should buy custom prebuilds with standard parts) you can't always know what shit they've done with the design in HP or dell or whatever.

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Pavilions are those machines you only buy if a) It's on a murderously good sale and b) you have no intention of ever upgrading it. I bought one about five-ish or so years ago. It was an i5-8400 with 16GB of RAM, 128GB SSD and 1TB HD. But like every Pavilion, it has that gimped, non-standard 180W PSU, a proprietary motherboard and a case that can only easily use those motherboards. Outside of doubling the RAM and eventually installing Linux, I didn't touch a thing. I could edit and render 1080p video comfortably and 4K if I didn't like myself that day and didn't want to use proxy clips. Still being used today -- I passed it along to my mother. Works like a champ for what she uses it for. That said, I never recommend HP pre-builts purely because of the proprietary dead-end nature of any individual model. Pity, because they generally aren't garbage build quality...you just can't grow the machine with you. Ironically, the garbage build quality gaming PCs are actually more useful long term.