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@thecookierhino2385
@thecookierhino2385 2 жыл бұрын
What did you think of Dragons: The Nine Realms? Do you think it's a good successor? Let me know so I can tell you why you're wrong. Shoot me your thoughts and let me know if you have any ideas of what I should draw next!
@midnightwildpictures2991
@midnightwildpictures2991 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said and I love your character redesigns! I loved the original HTTYD trilogy and what's going on now just feels like a cash grab.
@Specteon
@Specteon 2 жыл бұрын
I did like the new HTTYD overall. I agree with most parts but I do have some problems with some of the things you said, but I might just be stupid. Overall it’s a great video. ;) Side note: I really like the art you made. It is cartoony and I like it.
@nobodyimportant4210
@nobodyimportant4210 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen all of it but the stuff I have seen is pretty bad, which sucks because I think dragons in modern day could've been interesting with the right writers on board
@Specteon
@Specteon 2 жыл бұрын
@@nobodyimportant4210 You have a point actually.
@nobodyimportant4210
@nobodyimportant4210 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly my biggest problem with this series is how soon they decided to make it. If you think about it, it's only been two years since the og series officially ended. Say what you want about the new Spirit series but at least it actually waited a few years to cash in on the original's success. Also this show was apparently in development before The Hidden World even released, meaning DreamWorks was planning to replace the main cast before their story even came to a close. This piece of information just makes this series feel very disingenuous and cash grabby.
@iluvyurbles
@iluvyurbles 2 жыл бұрын
I loveded how Toothless isn't instant friends with Hiccup just because he got set free, Toothless did warn Hiccup how easily he could have killed him, but didn't, showing the same empathy and mercy Hiccup showed him. Hiccup sumed all his empathy and guilt with "I did this" he didn't see the demons that his tribe told him, he saw a terrified animal that was helpless. when Hiccup went to see Toothless in his little valley, Toothless looked at him as if you could hear him saying "Look what you did to me" and Hiccup felt genuine guilt that he crippled this creature. Hiccup also made him a new tail when he overheard Gobber talking about how helpless a downed dragon was, and Toothless didn't instantly trust him there either, he threw Hiccup off.
@iluvyurbles
@iluvyurbles 2 жыл бұрын
okay having to continue when they started bonding, it was natural, Hiccup realised how he'd made Toothless feel uncomfortable in right in front of the dragon, he dropped his knife and threw it into the lake. that moment is when toothless realized that "this guy isn't trying to hurt me " and started be a bit interested, but still rightfully neverous. it clearly took days and hours, not a few short moments.
@omnisexualidiot3750
@omnisexualidiot3750 2 жыл бұрын
@@iluvyurbles this is a perfect explanation. It’s based off real world physiology (if this happens irl) and didn’t give it that magic Disney, cosmic energy stuff. Through the movie we see how toothless doesn’t trust Hiccup, we even see how Hiccup has trouble with his dad and not having any friends. That, that was a masterpiece. This. This is garbage
@irenarenci
@irenarenci 2 жыл бұрын
oh, at the part where hiccup first put the new-made tail for toothless and toothless ''threw him'' in the lake, i took it more as in: they didn't know how to cooperate and so toothless was trying to fly off but then accidentally threw hiccup and himself into the lake- I guess i was wrong about that and toothless did it on purpose or?
@Indyslilbro
@Indyslilbro 2 жыл бұрын
@@irenarenci I'm pretty sure he threw hiccup off on purpose I haven't seen the scene in a while but from what I remember he looked at hiccup and then threw him off as if he realized hiccup was there and didn't want him there
@TheMagicPinecone
@TheMagicPinecone 2 жыл бұрын
On top of all that, Toothless really only accepted Hiccup's help when he realized he needed him. Like when he threw Hiccup off when he first had the tail prosthetic. It's very similar to helping a real injured animal. They don't want your help until they're motivated by their own survival and only you can help with that. It was only when they worked together to help Toothless fly again that they started bonding. That was also a main reason I still love the original movie. It had really realistic relationships, with more than just Toothless and Hiccup. Especially for children's stuff.
@PaintSplashProductions
@PaintSplashProductions 2 жыл бұрын
Now I want you redesign the human characters into being actual characters and not cardboard cut-outs that existed in every 80s cartoon
@thecookierhino2385
@thecookierhino2385 2 жыл бұрын
My friend you tempt me so. I am this close 🤏 to caving
@TobyLex
@TobyLex 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecookierhino2385 ... **inhale** *do it*
@thecookierhino2385
@thecookierhino2385 2 жыл бұрын
@@TobyLex 👀aaaaaaaaa
@Dragoooooon
@Dragoooooon 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecookierhino2385 **intense stare* do it* (if we peer pressure them enough it'll happen- /j)
@RadicalTactical
@RadicalTactical 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecookierhino2385 it alright if u dont have to, take your time! ^-^
@losersweepers.
@losersweepers. 2 жыл бұрын
They should’ve just done a series with Hiccup and Astrid’s kids. I mean, they already established them in the main universe and we’d have a tie back to the original cast and everything. It would’ve been much more fun and entertaining to watch them meet the dragons and shit like that. But, unfortunately that isn’t what we got and I’m so disappointed. This show is disappointing and awkward, it was horrible and I’m so fucking offended just like you. Just horrible.
@YuriPlisetskyKinnie
@YuriPlisetskyKinnie 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you why didn’t they do this
@sundalosketch4769
@sundalosketch4769 2 жыл бұрын
It would've been wonderful to watch as people who grew up with httyd, to watch with your own kids or something as a new generation starts flourishing both in the show and irl.
@VerbenaIDK
@VerbenaIDK 2 жыл бұрын
wait, it's with astrid and hiccup's kids? This makes it so much worse.
@irenarenci
@irenarenci 2 жыл бұрын
@@VerbenaIDK nooo it's not. it takes place lots of years into the future when hiccup and astrid's kids are probably long dead. The commenter was saying it would have been better to just make it a series about their kids rather than.... this. Whatever we got. Also to op, i kinda agree but also disagree? The third HTTYD movie finished with the dragons leaving and possibly never coming back so it wouldn't make much sense for them to come back after the kids were born... Then again, that one last scene in the movie showing them just flying with astrid and hiccup's and toothless' kids just pretty much ruins the theory and ending. So i honestly dunno what to think anymore-
@VerbenaIDK
@VerbenaIDK 2 жыл бұрын
@@irenarenci oh thank god but it would seem fair to say it's atleast a few million years in the future to new dragons to suddenly appear and others from the past except night and light furies and even that doenst make sense, like, why sid everything else evolve and changed except night and light furies
@Titanruler
@Titanruler 2 жыл бұрын
This is what they should’ve done: 1. Make the Plowhorn a relative of the Rumblehorn (since both have beetle-like features) 2. Make Feathers a Amphithere instead of a basic dragon 3. Try something different altogether with Wu and Wei then making them a Chinese Zippleback Ripoff 4. They should’ve tried to make Thunder and Tom’s friendship feel earned, not just make it happen right away
@MrChaoticreign
@MrChaoticreign 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly wish Wu and Wei had been a evolved scaldron instead of a zippleback. I feel like all the dragons are just kinda slapdash with no heart put into them outside, "Grab one of those dragons we used to have and make it bigger, maybe uglier"
@azurii
@azurii 2 жыл бұрын
I thought wu and wei was a mix of zippleback and scaldron? Two heads, spit boiling water.
@alexjewett7455
@alexjewett7455 2 жыл бұрын
@@azurii especially since this dragon is apparently supposed to be tidal class.
@Pl-iNK
@Pl-iNK 2 жыл бұрын
This
@shineyydesigns7696
@shineyydesigns7696 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldve liked Wu and Wei too be more mischeivous and trickster kind of dragons as an antithesis to June's whole "GREAT DRAGON OF LEGEND" idea of what dragons are supposed to be like. It wouldve challenged her idea and reminded her that these are living animals with personality and feelings outside of being ancient tools.
@eclair6910
@eclair6910 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact in the original dragon legends the number of limbs (IE: 4 legs 2 wings, 2 wings 2 legs) was not important for distinguishing dragons from wyverns. Dragons or Wyverns could have any number of limbs. What distinguished them was that dragons breath fire, while wyverns were venomous and spit acid.
@tatsudragneel4761
@tatsudragneel4761 2 жыл бұрын
Not completely true. "Wyverns" come from UK heraldry and doesn't really have any folklore of its own. In heraldry it was just used as a symbol that had different meanings, for example Lion and Leopard are the same animal in heraldry with the difference being the way it faces. Heraldry outside the UK didn't make the Wyvern/Dragon distinction and just called them all dragons. It is true "wyvern" comes from Latin for "viper" and they are sometimes associated with venom however so are dragons. "Dragon" comes from Greek for "great serpent" and before dragons were associated with fire in medieval times, dragons like Hydra were associated with venom. (I'm not completely sure but it seems like over time the idea of burning venom dragons originally had evolved into the idea of fire) TLDR: There is no defined different between "dragon" and "wyvern" and the idea mostly comes from modern culture like D&D. To me they should be treated as synonyms from different languages.
@RogueT-Rex8468
@RogueT-Rex8468 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU.
@x__dolorem__x6618
@x__dolorem__x6618 2 жыл бұрын
@@tatsudragneel4761 this isn’t necessarily accurate either though, whenever “Wyverns” are mentioned specifically as such in comparison to dragons, they can have any set of limbs, that is true, but they are consistently represented as acid spitting creatures in comparison to the more well known fire breathing dragons.
@lilskipper4683
@lilskipper4683 2 жыл бұрын
Why da heck are the wyverns in minecraft fire breathing ones then- We've all been lied to!! 😂
@x__dolorem__x6618
@x__dolorem__x6618 2 жыл бұрын
@@lilskipper4683 probably because they’re not even a mob designed by a professional who does their research. I’m autistic, my special interest is dragons, trust me when I say I would know the difference lol
@ngaio9897
@ngaio9897 2 жыл бұрын
going from two disabled main characters (hiccup + toothless) to one extra in a wheelchair just feels like a step back. i know it's not the main feature of the series but i connected to it and really considered the representation a main part of the httyd charm.
@jessicaconnelvideomarketin7579
@jessicaconnelvideomarketin7579 2 жыл бұрын
"JayJay the Jet Plane and his Manic Pixie girlfriend" LOL so good. Keep up the good work!
@theskywingartist
@theskywingartist 2 жыл бұрын
The best headcanons I could come up with for how the 'night fury' looks like and why it has a lightning breath is: Theory 1.) Some night lights bred with skrills to continue the black/dark colouring, while some preferred the similar lightfuries, and over the generations they started to disperse due to over population Theory 2.) There are multiple hidden worlds, and each have their own type of 'night fury' The one we see in the third movie is the one containing lightfuries (hanse why we see multiple in the movie) and Grimmel only got the nightfuries in another one Theory 3.) {The worst one} ...incest...
@5000chickens
@5000chickens 2 жыл бұрын
ooh I like your theories!! the skrill one is probably my favorite :)
@Flufflord_Puffball
@Flufflord_Puffball 2 жыл бұрын
3 is most likely sadly
@taipanguts
@taipanguts 2 жыл бұрын
Probably 3, I doubt winged lizards share the same morals as humans
@petthequeenofmaddness8592
@petthequeenofmaddness8592 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why they couldn't have this be on a different island on the other side of the world
@5000chickens
@5000chickens 2 жыл бұрын
@@petthequeenofmaddness8592 that would have made the dragon drsigns make a lot more sense and fit into the already existing world SO much better 🙄 I love your idea :)
@Flufflord_Puffball
@Flufflord_Puffball 2 жыл бұрын
seeing how toothless was the last night fury and the light fury was also the last of her kind, they must have gone through a lot of inbreeding and the night light in the show does look inbred.
@pokemondragon1
@pokemondragon1 2 жыл бұрын
In the third movie there was a few Light furies running around. But I still think inbreeding was a thing.
@nanner8584
@nanner8584 2 жыл бұрын
The light fury was not the last one, you see plenty others in the third movie, they're just in the background.
@Gxylord
@Gxylord 2 жыл бұрын
@@nanner8584 but light furies aside from the night lights are white, so for the black colouration gene to pass on it can only come from regular breeding between holders of that gene, try doing a few generations of the genes in a punnett square and you'll know what they mean
@callmecharlie4250
@callmecharlie4250 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gxylord still she wasn't even close to being the last
@simplelivingthings
@simplelivingthings 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gxylord If black is a dominant gene tho it’d be hella hard to get rid of compared to it being recessive. Or at least all of them would end up greyish
@TobyLex
@TobyLex 2 жыл бұрын
this tv show gave me a vibe from the Spirit series (that horse movie), I know I'm not part of the target audience, but this one and the dragons one gave me this vibe of "ah, create a new series with a new story involving this theme? nooooo, let's create a low quality series about these hits and that old fans will be offended!!
@thecookierhino2385
@thecookierhino2385 2 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough the Spirit show was also one I was terribly upset over! The difference here is I didn't even have the strength to watch it. I got like 5 mins into the first episode and ragequit.
@starryknight565
@starryknight565 2 жыл бұрын
I will never forgive them for domesticating Spirit for a cash grab. It's too meta, too painful.
@TobyLex
@TobyLex 2 жыл бұрын
@@starryknight565 Their excuse is that "that's his son and not the corsel"
@nevergonna-give-you-up
@nevergonna-give-you-up 2 жыл бұрын
I tried watching the spirit series as a show of itself, and oh god did it suck. At first I was a bit interested, but the plot just hurt me. WHAT WAS THAT?!
@RemiRime
@RemiRime 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecookierhino2385 It was literally my Childhood And I just ..Did the Same as you-
@jacobcox4565
@jacobcox4565 2 жыл бұрын
I think the new dragons should've a way more similar to the old ones, only several hundred years passed between HTTYD 3 and Nine Realms. It takes thousands of years, sometimes millions, for evolution and natural selection to change an animal species. These new dragons look almost nothing like the old ones. Did their water get pumped full of mutagen ooze?
@Gxylord
@Gxylord 2 жыл бұрын
that's what i was thinking!! there's a reason why lions in the medieval era still look like the lions today in carvings and drawings (same from even B.C with sculptures and architecture from ancient civilisations like the Greeks, Egyptians and Romans)
@RogueT-Rex8468
@RogueT-Rex8468 2 жыл бұрын
@@luizabianco simple answer is: MONEY. Honestly the only reason they did this is to prevent reusing old dragons in a new show. They wanted diversity, but they had literally tons of other dragons they could have used. Good lord we could have had a timberjack 😢
@Buglin_Burger7878
@Buglin_Burger7878 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know, people can selectively breed animals pretty effectively. It does take time, but look at what humans did to dogs. Purely naturally, yes it takes time. Control can change a lot quickly though. We are able to remove the "Out preform" aspect and just outright kill off/remove everyone that doesn't fit the intended. So it is simply a Yes/No question where we only pass on those who have that gene 100% which starts to improve the odds as each one lacks more and more of the other genes. Eventually that gene becomes dominant. If this takes place after HTTYD3 then in cannon humans would've been breeding dragons. So it all comes down to life spans and... well if you want to get dark... bad things. I don't like this direction even if possible though.
@jacobcox4565
@jacobcox4565 2 жыл бұрын
@@Buglin_Burger7878 But no selective breeding occurred, since it was established that the dragons and humans separated permanently after HTTYD3.
@thegod300jr
@thegod300jr 2 жыл бұрын
1,300 years passed between httyd3 and nine realms but still I don't like the dragon designs
@whoknows9085
@whoknows9085 2 жыл бұрын
With Wu and Wei, I just hate the coloring for the most part. It also didn't look like their two heads could even fit on that body. They have short necks and long faces, it just didn't look proportioned right I appreciate the attempt of introducing other cultural dragons, because honestly yeah most of the dragons in the series are just really Nordic, European based, and that can get tiring pretty quickly. They just aren't executed well when they could have. Almost like they were afraid of actually including diversified takes of dragons Like with Feathers, while I see it in the coloring, there's not many other elements of a Quetzalcoatl Wu and Wei look more like European dragons with just odd coloring choices Maybe it's also the timing of these characters finding their dragon partners. I can definitely see if these characters just randomly spotted the dragons and took interest because they look like the dragons from their cultures. But instead they just have these very well timed encounters It would have been especially cool if the Dragons Lair was shown to be connected to different parts of the world, so dragons of different cultures could occassionly cross paths, idk they could have made it make sense somehow
@plipplop1769
@plipplop1769 2 жыл бұрын
Wu and wei feel so weird, like they take influence but it feels so not authentic? Other than the shape of the dragon of course it looks like a chinese man stereotype rather than the dragon, way too angry looking for one, the huge jaw and underbite is offputting and so is the way too long beard. Also of course the asian girl ends up with the Chinese inspired dragon, that just felt so weird. In attempting to make the chinese dragon similar to others they made it super stereotypical and kind of offensive imo, and it would've been better to just introduce the idea of dragons from other areas of the world looking different, maybe they migrated there or something then they could make a dragon that actually kind of looked authentic instead of this weird pseudo-chinese hideous zippleback.
@alexjewett7455
@alexjewett7455 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing about wu and Wei: why does Jun ride with two saddles on their necks? With barf and belch it made sense because the nuts shared a dragon. Shouldn't Jun's saddle be on their back?
@user-jr5lp1xt2t
@user-jr5lp1xt2t 2 жыл бұрын
I look at the scene where Tom is falling and Thunder is saving him, httyd 1 ending style and I just kinda cry inside and die. They robbed that beautiful, special, and sad scene, with a grossly underdeveloped relationship between Tom and Thunder.
@eagletgriff
@eagletgriff 2 жыл бұрын
When i saw that scene i just noped the hell outta the series. That special scene was used so cheaply, it was really offensive to the original imo
@user-jr5lp1xt2t
@user-jr5lp1xt2t 2 жыл бұрын
@@eagletgriff yep. It’s was a crime.
@delusionalmagpie9597
@delusionalmagpie9597 2 жыл бұрын
Especially insensitive considering how pivotal that final scene was, plus Hiccup lost a literal limb during the fall.
@solarrrrrrrr
@solarrrrrrrr 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the series ended with Hiccup waking up and saying “Phew, it was just a dream”
@Firehawk3672
@Firehawk3672 2 жыл бұрын
sometimes, its better to just let a good thing die off on its own, slowly, not butcher it in its sleep like they did, i was happy with the finale, and as much as i would have liked to see the series continue, nothing would have been better than what we got
@3-valdiondreemur564
@3-valdiondreemur564 2 жыл бұрын
HTTYD was a part of my childhood, and I have re-watched it multiple times ever since. It is a great world, full of potential, and when I first learnt about Nine Realms, I was thrilled for it. I simply hoped it would be good, even though I knew they were just milking the franchise, and that they would put the effort to make something good. Most of my hopes were crushed when I saw the trailer and the artstyle, though. I hope they're going to make an actual good sequel, or *prequel*, that'd be awesome, that would stand up to the original trilogy, or at least the passable, if not good, spin-offs they've made from it. I've always loved dragons (maybe too much recently) and knowing how badly portrayed these beings, and humans, were in that series makes me suffer. I would also love to hear you talk about how they could have made the series watchable, too! (I kinda hope they'd see it and, I dunno, do a Sonic.)
@thecookierhino2385
@thecookierhino2385 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I agree I'd love to see a spin off that did better by the series. I'm working on a follow up to this video with ideas of how I'd map out the first episode, although I think it's too late for a chance to do a Sonic, it's never too late to use this as a plot exercise!
@3-valdiondreemur564
@3-valdiondreemur564 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecookierhino2385 it's never too late to do a Sonic, you just gotta pull a Corporate trick and wipe out all evidence. Wouldn't be a big loss.
@godrxys3389
@godrxys3389 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecookierhino2385 Well, you could do a Sonic when Sonic movie 2 comes out (maybe some echidna characters when the Knuckles series comes out on Paramount Plus next year) idk just an idea
@doctor_whoey3857
@doctor_whoey3857 2 жыл бұрын
imo it would be best to just let the franchise be done. HTTYD 3 had a great ending and felt like an amazing conclusion to an amazing story. Let something go on for too long and it turns rotten, I wish more creators had the courage to just end their franchises. Thats why I was so happy with how the movies ended, and thats also why I am now so incredibly dissapointed that dreamworks is doing something new with it, and something that just proved my point. Let it go on too long, it turns rotten eventually.
@mariobalestrieri7488
@mariobalestrieri7488 Жыл бұрын
@@thecookierhino2385 my favorite dragons in the series are the monstrous nightmare ‘ deadly nadder ‘ night fury ‘ and the timberjack
@uuooll-7
@uuooll-7 2 жыл бұрын
On Wu and Wei... Did they just... _forget that the Grapple Grounder exists??_ Literally *the* best candidate for an east Asian inspired dragon in the franchise. Long body, short legs, curled tail, spines running down the back. Just sharpen the head and add some whiskers/frills and you're set!
@maldambao6126
@maldambao6126 2 жыл бұрын
Man, this had the potential to be so good if it was about how dragons and humans function in a modern society, like legit Pokemon style, with different breeds helping in different fields, some being companions like dogs, or a method of transportation like horses, their magic helping in the technology, it would be so cool. Instead we got yet another "generic teen group discover that their Oh So Boring world has a magic realm".
@cheshirewolf1574
@cheshirewolf1574 2 жыл бұрын
The fact pure breed nightfuries don't exist anymore is bitter sweet, I'll admit to that, now I haven't seen this show but I'm pretty sure that Toothless' and his girlfriend's kids could have just as well ruined the pure blood of the white nightfuries too lmao, just baising this from the fact the white and black nightfuries became their own species bt the sound of things. It's kind of bitter sweet to think about lol Edit: that's actually a really good idea for an anti-hero kind of thing, where there's there's cult that's just trying to bring back the original dragon breeds and there's this kid saving the good genetic breeding dragons from poachers that would be cool, give them a pure blood white nightfury to contrast with the main character
@shorttuna6666
@shorttuna6666 2 жыл бұрын
but then we would either see a really good HTTYD styled dragon in compared to what the show gave OR a lightfury in this childhood ruining style and i would cry if i saw either of those-
@cheshirewolf1574
@cheshirewolf1574 2 жыл бұрын
@@shorttuna6666 tuché it's too much of a risk for Netflix to do the show
@wildfire9280
@wildfire9280 2 жыл бұрын
purebred? ...or *inbred?*
@EC-jd9ej
@EC-jd9ej 2 жыл бұрын
Would that be a hero/savior thing, though? Imagine someone is saving your life but only because they expect you to have children for them in return. Or that you're being paired up not because you like the other dragon but because eugenics says that you should?
@cheshirewolf1574
@cheshirewolf1574 2 жыл бұрын
@@EC-jd9ej Exactly! That's why I said anti-hero that's part of a cult. The cult is basically a breeding mill where they get the proper genetics to revert the dragons into the breeds from the movies. A puppy mill for dragons lead by pompous asses that care to much about genetic purity.
@7minutesago4yearsago29
@7minutesago4yearsago29 2 жыл бұрын
They really should have done a spin-off with Bork the bold (adding more mature themes since a lot of httyd fans have grown older). We’d be able to dive into the details of what life was like before hiccup and toothless. We’d also get to learn more about dragons that weren’t featured a lot like the snaptrapper, and see the process of the book of dragons being created.
@horse14t
@horse14t 2 жыл бұрын
That would be so cool!
@XcentricSquid
@XcentricSquid 2 жыл бұрын
The way hybrids work, is Nightfury genes would have either eventually been dominated by Lightfury genes, since those were the possibly the only ones they were compatible with, OR they would've been completely infertile and unable to pass on the gene, anyway. Basically Nightfuries would've gone extinct, anyway.
@turkeygod6665
@turkeygod6665 2 жыл бұрын
Not strictly true. The black coloration could have been extremely dominant, or there could have been a 'melanistic' light fury, as weird as that sounds it shouldn't exactly be impossible. Given they are also dragons, they may breed rarely and thus less chance for the white to entirely overtake the black. Also, species doesn't exactly limit reproduction. We bred with neanderthals, polar bears fuck brown bears, and dogs often breed with wolves. Species is a lot more fluid then many consider, really.
@WisdomUngulates
@WisdomUngulates 2 жыл бұрын
@@turkeygod6665 Yea someone suggested they may have bred with Skrills which is not too bad since Thunder has more lightning traits
@ASilverSilkWing
@ASilverSilkWing 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been 1000x more amazing if Tom had trained a Snifflehunch, Raincutter, Buffalord, or Hobblegrunt! Let some background dragons have a chance as a "poster dragon" for the series! But... alas. Polar bears are predators to humans. If given the chance, the polar bear would've eaten him.
@aimeeh2079
@aimeeh2079 2 жыл бұрын
I love how your Feathers version looked inspired by a terrible terror its quite a perfect way to make it fit into the universe without completely changing her!
@Alteori
@Alteori 2 жыл бұрын
Your designs look WAY better!!! I agree with you on your rant too lol.
@thatstockin
@thatstockin 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, it’s the black fox that talks about stuff (Love your content btw)
@enderwalkgang
@enderwalkgang 2 жыл бұрын
Feathers redesign reminds me of Rainwings from wings of fire series! They in their beta design lek where shown to have feathers and are also chameleon dragons!
@Synchronisedstumbling
@Synchronisedstumbling 2 жыл бұрын
Feathery bois!
@skyprior3866
@skyprior3866 2 жыл бұрын
Ah a fellow of culture, how do you do! I love that series ngl, some good fun, some books worse than others but all have some great world building, and they made a first person omniscient book, and I think that's just kinda awesome, just favorite book cause its so odd. Whats yours?
@denimvelvet4670
@denimvelvet4670 2 жыл бұрын
Oh gods. The nose. I...why? The dragon doesn't need that sort of a nose. I loved all of your redesigns. My favorite was Feathers. I would love to see that one animated most of all just because I feel like there would be a lot of fun motions. Especially with the mane feathers and the wings.
@chansfeet2500
@chansfeet2500 2 жыл бұрын
The way I'm imagining feathers animation is kind of like the frilled lizards animation from the rescuers down under. Sorry if Im not making sense.
@canislunaticus
@canislunaticus 2 жыл бұрын
14:52 Wu and Wei seems so out of place to be dragons in the iceland region, they also just don't look like httyd dragons with the style, your redesign captures that httyd style
@canislunaticus
@canislunaticus 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure about Thunder, preferred the nightlight fury idea but would've been cool to see them go with another species of dragon and not try to be httyd1-3 so badly with a fury
@halfwayATfinish
@halfwayATfinish 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who came from China, I do recognize the 龍-ish influences (and the sort of ying-yang vibe with the dragon being split), but I also feel they butchered the 'Eastern' design characteristics of this dragon. If you've ever seen a 龍, you'd know they're long and serpentine, and do NOT have wings. I truly do not like the OG design for Wu and Wei, they looks like the design team took the most stereotypical "Chinese" face they could think of, and plastered that onto a western dragon's body. Heck, I prefer Sisu's design over these guys. Anyways, that's my rant, its just that the OG design looks lazy af, and as I'm not a fan at all. Edit: I looked up the prerelease sketches and model on the HTTYD wiki, and I must say I like those a lot better; howtotrainyourdragon.fandom.com/wiki/Gallery:_Wu_and_Wei These concepts better capture the more 龍 ish aspects, like the serpentine body and the fluff, along with the concept of ying and yang. While I assume the black and white coloring in the concept may have mismatched with Thunder's colors, I am disappointed the design team didn't just recolor this concept design.
@WisdomUngulates
@WisdomUngulates 2 жыл бұрын
Those look WAY better I can see the yin and yang rep but also the green and the orange are great colors I would’ve preferred seeing that design than what we got!!!
@peachibread1983
@peachibread1983 2 жыл бұрын
I've been a huge, huge fan of httyd, like horse girl level of obsessed. It's a shame this series didn't turn out too well. Also I'd love to see how you'd redesign dragons from the books, movies, and show!
@aspiric444
@aspiric444 2 жыл бұрын
The night Fury wouldve been bred out of the Night lights after like 2 generations - scientifically the night lights wouldve bred with the light furies - basically night furies were gone about 2 or 3 generations after toothless That always annoyed me about the show, the director confirmed toothless was the final night Fury ever, but the light Fury in The hidden world wasn't the last, there's multiple in the movie. The show feels too uncannon and just a cash grab on the name
@plipplop1769
@plipplop1769 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, it would've been cool to just have em white then a little black tinge or spot or something to allude to it. But ofc this whole thing is nostalgia bait so.
@turkeygod6665
@turkeygod6665 2 жыл бұрын
Unless the black coloration is a very dominant trait, and combined with the fact dragons likely breed rarely, its entirely possible. The show is shit but there could be quite a few explanations in biology.
@aspiric444
@aspiric444 2 жыл бұрын
@@turkeygod6665 I mean in a thousand years, like dominant or not it's gonna be little to none on thunder. It's been 1000 years after all and while furies mate for life, they're gonna breed with light furies Literally the only logical explanation is Thunder is an incest baby (if u want more I guess reliable or convincing arguments there's a video by silverwillow wing about Thunder)
@spoookley
@spoookley 2 жыл бұрын
@@turkeygod6665 if it was a dominant trait, then all of the night lights would be 90-100% black, not nearly as mixed as they were
@turkeygod6665
@turkeygod6665 2 жыл бұрын
@@spoookley Just because something is domiant doesnt mean it cant somewhat fade given many generations.
@brianachim2670
@brianachim2670 2 жыл бұрын
They made Toothless's descendant ugly.
@rac1equalsbestgame853
@rac1equalsbestgame853 2 жыл бұрын
And probably incestrous
@Metal-Mage
@Metal-Mage Жыл бұрын
Yeah they sure did 😑
@jaydraws4881
@jaydraws4881 2 жыл бұрын
The Main Reason why I loved The Dragon Series is the Dragon's Designs and their relationship with riders. Like, Hiccup and Toothless' friendship were parts of Films, One of my favorite dragon-rider dynamics is ironically Snotlout and Hookfang and that's only one of them. That's kinda what I wish this series had.(They did do it well in some parts, just not entirely)
@fang609
@fang609 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say as far as the show goes from the start when the show got anounced I instantly knew to keep my hopes for this show down. Like sure Netflix has made HTTYD shows before but I pretty much learned that NOTHING will be as good as Race To The Edge so when I saw the show there where a few things here and there that I found surprising like a bit of queer rep,disabilites and in general the main idea of having Dragons around in the modern world 1,300 after the original film is intresting. My main problem personally was just how quickly some of the kids bonded with their dragons Tom and Juno in particular. Tho I have to say I didnt really notice things like the Terror Card one mostly cause I just kinda didnt really care/zoned out a bit for most of it. And yeah the animation for the most part isnt the best. As for the dragons Im mixed on them. Thunder been a NightLight decendant I dont mind,mostly cause we know there was a whole population of LightFurys down there for them to breed with and keep those NightFury genoms going. My main issue with him aside from the dreaded nose, but the scales. MY GOD the scales! Why is he covered in so many rough looking scales? Toothless only had patches of biger rougher scales on him. And the LightFurys are as smooth as baby skins, if only they kept those big scales(and mabey made the ears smaller) in smaller patches I would have been fine with his design. Tho I have to say your take on him is nice. Also yeah the way they just rushed though Thunders and Toms Hicup & Toothless felt lazy nulstagia stuff. Feathers design is one that is just disapointing to me. Mostly cause of similar things you brought up which is why I argree with your design more. If the speceis looked more like Quetzalcóatl and have it be more feathered as well as using its abilites I would have been happier. Wu and Wei is another design Im disapointed cause I would have loved an Eastern looking dragon, but the colours really kill it for me. Just the yellow body really kills it for me,the blue and red colour combo is nice but the rest is ehhhhh. And again similar points you brought up about Juno bonding with them. Plowhorn/Gema Is the only desgin I havent really got any strong opinions about. Its nice that theres a second Beatle looking dragon aside from Skullcrusher and the Rumblehorns. But your take on it is nice.
@manakete_smoocher
@manakete_smoocher 2 жыл бұрын
I think 9 realms was always going to be fighting an uphill battle in terms of being good, because they have to try and establish a whole new cast of characters and a brand new setting as well. When I was getting ready to start watching it, I was shocked by just how short it was (only six 20 minute episodes??), and I really think that was a massive detriment to the show. I personally really appreciated the diversity in the show, especially since all of the poc characters we’ve had previously in HTTYD have been villains or antagonists in some way. (Gonna be a long comment here) I wish they’d shown just a little more Mexican influence when it came to Alex’s family, but if I remember correctly I think at least one of her moms had an accent and as a Latino myself who has never been very connected to my culture I can forgive it. Personally, I think that Feathers should have looked more like a Quetzalcoatl (just being an amphithere would’ve done WONDERS in communicating this). Still, even working with the lackluster design we have in the show I’d really love them to go in a direction of like- Alex isn’t super connected with her Mexican culture, but Feathers being similar to Quetzalcoatl drives her curiosity and desire to learn about it. That’s sort of been my experience with watching Encanto and having a strong desire to connect to my own Latino background as a result of it. I personally didn’t see Jun’s interest in mythology and spirituality as being connected to her being Chinese so I didn’t have an issue with it for the most part, but I definitely agree that other things around her (including Wu and Wei) felt kinda racist, however unintentional it may have been. I definitely appreciate the attempt, but feel like the dragon’s design needed a lot more time in the oven (though I don’t know how I would personally change it). I like your redesign, but I will say I would prefer more a middle ground. I like that they’re trying to mix cultural dragons with the almost exclusively European dragons we’re used to, and would still want Wu and Wei to keep a clear Chinese influence. We have no idea just how large the Hidden World truly is, considering the entrance we know from the movie is in Scandinavia and I believe the Fissure is in Canada. It wouldn’t be unlikely for it to extend to Asia and South America as well, so I think the show has an easy and painless explanation for more diversity when it comes to dragon mythology. Tom is easily the worst character, and I remember comparing him to Jim from Trollhunters while talking to my friends once. Jim is a way better and much more likeable character of course, but both protagonists are mid-teenage boys who live with their single mothers. Jim’s dad isn’t mentioned immediately in Trollhunters, but you learn later that he was a deadbeat who walked out on them, and this adds so much character to Jim and his mom because we hear him say he doesn’t care about what happened with his dad, but it’s clear that this influenced him and is one of the reasons he tries to be so dependable- he doesn’t want to be like his dad. It’s small, but it does a lot to develop Jim as a character. Tom has literally nothing like this and is seemingly a stupid selfish jerk for no reason. I don’t NEED character backstories to be present right from the get-go (Valka is barely mentioned in the first movie after all) but I really hope they have something planned that will explain some of Tom’s behavior because he’s one of the most unlikeable protagonists I’ve met in a while and I’d really like to know WHY. You also already brought up the polar bear thing, that was definitely poorly executed. I feel like pretty much everything about Tom is poorly executed, from his personality to his relationships to his backstory. And Thunder is a really bad design too, definitely the worst of the bunch. It’s not a good thing when the protagonist is the worst character! I have no faults with D’Angelo, I enjoyed pretty much everything to do with him and he was definitely the best written part of the show. The initial impression I feel the show gives you of him is that he’s that sort of stereotypical ‘tough black guy’ but then they subvert that in a really pleasing way. It’s not revolutionary but he just really feels like an actual person and the way he talks to his mom about how he’s worried the other kids just don’t like him was so sweet. I also love the casual representation of his mom being disabled too, and that they don’t treat her as any lesser for it. I think the show actually does a lot of nice casual representation, especially with D’Angelo’s mom and Alex’s moms. I also personally think that, aside from her agoraphobia, Alex is neurodivergent in some way (though I’m not about to try and give her a specific diagnosis). Even if that wasn’t their intention with her, it’s how they’ve written her and I think a lot of neurodivergent people will be able to relate to her because of it. I think the show has a lot of flaws, yes, but I also think it has a lot of potential as well. They’ve already made some missteps that they can’t take back, but I fully believe they could recover if they take the right steps moving forward.
@5000chickens
@5000chickens 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one who compared Tom to Jim!! I agree that Jim had a lot more going for his character :)
@hirota8662
@hirota8662 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I personally loved the show but it absolutely does need some more baking (and episode c'mon DreamWorks bestie y'all did em dirty)
@manakete_smoocher
@manakete_smoocher 2 жыл бұрын
@@hirota8662 yeah, same! I went into it with very low standards because no part of me wanted a modern day HTTYD, but I did enjoy the show in spite of all of its flaws. I really hope they do better in the future, because I can excuse a rough beginning if they can pick themselves up moving forward
@mr.lizard666
@mr.lizard666 Жыл бұрын
I’m not gonna lie this is actually the longest comment I ever read.
@manakete_smoocher
@manakete_smoocher Жыл бұрын
@@mr.lizard666 thank you(?)
@dani-dd5zi
@dani-dd5zi 2 жыл бұрын
i think the way httyd 3 ended was a perfect end to the series. the dragons being hidden away forever at the end was heartbreaking but incredibly meaningful masterful, and it just went to show that saying goodbye is not always a bad thing and all that jazz. this new show is literally just a cash grab.
@zoinksscoop20yearsago68
@zoinksscoop20yearsago68 2 жыл бұрын
The name thunder to a night light descendant feels like a httyd1 night fury oc redraw. Yeah, those fanarys that put eyelashes on the dragon to make it female. Anyways, I'm not a big fan of your designs’ color schemes but the designs alone are really, like REALLY good tho, like Jesus.
@clauliz5502
@clauliz5502 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your redisign of Thunder which pretty much a new species of dragon that evolved from the furies. I would believe that furies would be endangered enough that they would evolve to breed with other dragon species.
@omnisexualidiot3750
@omnisexualidiot3750 2 жыл бұрын
“I didn’t want to judge anything before it came out” Why not? It looks horrible. It’s a cash grab. The movies ended perfectly, so there really wasn’t anything to make anymore (except another series where we see how they do with their kids and without the dragons, but I’m over it. I swear) Also, I refuse to believe that these are the same breeds of dragons. They look almost nothing like their ancestors, especially not the two headed one. Which I could go off about that. I’ve been trying to think about what they could have been in the past, but I couldn’t get anything. So my theory is, these are different breeds, and is a different hole then the others. The others are still out there somewhere, in all their OG glory, waiting.
@beanbrain6162
@beanbrain6162 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you kept that very shapely, flowy HTTYD style in your redesigns Waaay more true to the whole franchise, and far more pleasing to the eye in terms of aesthetics Bravo
@xxx-ie9ic
@xxx-ie9ic 2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea this disaster of a show even existed, but I watched this whole video and was very entertained. Also, your designs are stunning!! I'd like a plushie of your version of Thunder, he's SO PRECIOUS and I wanna hug him ;_;
@xxx-ie9ic
@xxx-ie9ic 2 жыл бұрын
Also, I want to add I think this IS an important hill to die on. What our kids watch really matters. Do we really want them watching a cheap, poorly written show with little imagination and some bizarre racism in it??? It feels like it's enforcing cultural stereotypes and that's gross. I also don't feel your anger is unreasonable, both for these reasons and because of how good the previous shows of this series were. :/
@bananabell318
@bananabell318 2 жыл бұрын
When I first saw nine realms I thought it was some knockoff someone made. The only reason I had watched it was out of curiosity to see how bad it would be. When June's mom absolutely roasted her about the tarot cards, I actually started liking it. That roast made me respect that mother. Onto other things about the show. Seeing how low quality the animation was in the first couple minutes, the dragons' quality surprised me. To me, the animators put more effort into the dragons then the rest of the show. I didn't have much of a beef with any of the dragon designs, except for the two headed one (who until now I thought was named Red and Blue). That one felt very out of place and disproportionate. The gold design on its wings didn't feel naturally occurring either. Feathers's design I'm good with, but that's probably because the only time I've ever heard of Quetzalcoatl was when I played Dragon City years ago. For the gembreaker, I liked the cracks of the horn. The different physical appearance of Thunder compared to Toothless gave me aquatic vibes. When it came to the parallels of the stories, I liked them. Yes they were parallels, but they were each different in their own ways. When it came to Toothless and Hiccup's encounter, they were more hostile towards each other because humans and dragons had been fighting each other for generations. Hiccup freeing Toothless from his net and Toothless sparing Hiccup. For Thunder and Tom's encounter, Thunder being friendly could be explained by the fact dragons haven't had contact with humans for over a thousand years (kinda like dodos, but dodos are a different can of worms). Thunder didn't really need Tom's help to get out of the rocks, but Tom needed Thunder's help to not fall in lava. In my opinion, it felt like a reverse uno card on Hiccup and Toothless. There definitely is quite a bit they need to improve, (such as the whole science facility deal cause that feels messy) but, considering the budget and time they had, I would say it is decent to a point.
@bananabell318
@bananabell318 2 жыл бұрын
That is a lot more writing than I thought I did
@jayfeather278
@jayfeather278 2 жыл бұрын
One of the things that annoyed me the most about the new designs is Thunder's colouring. Wtf. There was only one night fury and a bunch of light furies left. Toothless had crossbreed children that would breed with children of light furies. So when Thunder came along, it would mean a thousand years back he had ONE ANCESTOR THAT WAS PURELY BLACK. He shouldn't have a mostly black body...
@kizoomtite4779
@kizoomtite4779 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think the only way it would have worked was if they had it be a plot point that Thunder has really rare colouring compared to other nightlights and light furys which im assuming there'd be a good amount of after this long? Idk they might've done that but i havent watched it
@sb_lee6800
@sb_lee6800 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic how the _Dragons_ have more personality than the _people_ at some times😭 And I hate that my first thought when seeing the show was, "Oh god it's like a distant cousin of a cross between Rescue Riders and one of the most recent revamps of the _winx club_ --"
@karmageddon9047
@karmageddon9047 2 жыл бұрын
Feathers made me think of like. The tiny dragons, the *really* small ones, uh. Terrible terror. But I agree that it was a bit too simple.
@Shovel________________
@Shovel________________ 2 жыл бұрын
another thing to add onto the one of two culturally based dragon, you mention that it feels a bit racist. i agree. not just that, but they also add very obvious stereotypes. i didnt get past the first episode it was so terrible. but around the very beginning the writers are very much implying that june's mom is really strict. like damn, its not even funny
@morganbrick9837
@morganbrick9837 2 жыл бұрын
Why are there still Night lights in the modern world if Toothless was the last Night fury?
@SeagullTheSeaWing
@SeagullTheSeaWing 2 жыл бұрын
I know right-
@ShibuNub3305
@ShibuNub3305 2 жыл бұрын
Incest, probably
@cosmicspacething3474
@cosmicspacething3474 2 жыл бұрын
Is there ever a “next gen” series that’s as good as its original predecessor? I genuinely want to know
@ginogatash4030
@ginogatash4030 2 жыл бұрын
Series where the cast and everything changes with each installment are pretty decent at it, since they're not really restricted by past stuff and the generational pass is part of the premise, but coming across that kind of story but as a sequel to a series that revolved around the same cast throughout its runtime after it finished and make that turn out well is hard, new people will be kinda indifferent because they aren't attached to the series, and the spinoff energy can be off-putting to them, while old fans are very easy to feel offput by anything clashing with the appeal of the old series even if it's not necessarily the worst, and most importantly, no one really wants to do it except executives, so a lot of series end up crap because it's all executive demand or studio interference and no one working is really attached to the new series anyway.
@cosmicspacething3474
@cosmicspacething3474 2 жыл бұрын
I still wish someone would do a good next gen story.
@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho
@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho 2 жыл бұрын
Batman Beyond
@khunt5336
@khunt5336 2 жыл бұрын
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho I don't know, Batman Beyond is good, but is it really as good as original BTAS?
@four_leaf_clover-chan15
@four_leaf_clover-chan15 2 жыл бұрын
I thought Digimon adventure 02 was pretty good
@tmaxim2651
@tmaxim2651 2 жыл бұрын
I think some turquoise/blue green highlights on the Plowhorn would have really made it! Or maybe even gold/red/pink.
@RadicalTactical
@RadicalTactical 2 жыл бұрын
The only thing i realized (this might sound dumb or in any other way but) Wu and Wei are heavily i meant *HEAVILY* inspired by Chinesse culture with the whole long moustache hair, and pairing the dragons with another asian person on the main cast is alright in my opinion. But thank GOD this person tone down the whole streotype long hair moustache. Tbh this was a long paragraph to write.
@plipplop1769
@plipplop1769 2 жыл бұрын
Long hair moustache isn't a stereotype though? That's characteristic of Chinese dragons, if anything that's the only thing I was ok with in their inspiration. I already commented this before so I'll just copy and paste everything else I think: I see that dragon as more offensive than representative. It would've been cool if they had an explicitly Chinese dragon that migrated or interbreeded or something but nope, the second I saw it I was like it looks Chinese but it doesn't? It's just a stereotype but when you really look at it it's so obviously a western dragon I thought I was mistaken. The dragon has no features specific to Chinese dragons and instead looks like a western dragon with racist Chinese stereotypes imo. Like of course they put on the excessively long beard and made it look angry, kept the super bushy eyebrows while removing most of the hair/fur you can see on many traditional dragons. You can think differently of course I just found it pretty offensive. So yeah, I doubt the heavy inspiration honestly. It feels very superficial, and still very western.
@RadicalTactical
@RadicalTactical 2 жыл бұрын
@@plipplop1769 oh i did not realized my mistake but i totally agree with this, i didnt realized it was like a western dragon so its my mistake not realizing. Also thanks for pointing it out.
@mutedchroma
@mutedchroma 2 жыл бұрын
The main reason for the symmetry and the tiny, easy details in the mostly animated areas of the dragons is so that they could copy paste everything
@finnamonroel
@finnamonroel 2 жыл бұрын
Your redesigns bring hope to a desolate world. Thank you for making my day
@mauropereira187
@mauropereira187 2 жыл бұрын
The fact they jumped from the past to hundred of years into the present is mind boggling. If anything, if this was the direct offspring of toothless and light fury then it'd still take place around the same era! Also not to mention, the dragons were in Scandanavia!
@imperialhulinabis3514
@imperialhulinabis3514 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, you're drawing skills are really amazing! I love how you re-desinged Thunder and all of the other characters. I just subscribed, you're work is really cool! 😍 I really don't like the Dragons 9 Realms, because it feels like a mixture of Jurassic Park and Halo taking away the Viking theme. But, I do like Thunder, the things that I don't like about Thunder is his wings and tail fins, especially his wings because they look like they won't give him lift. I actually love how you re-desinged Thunder, you made him look AWESOME!!!!
@orangeismyfavoritecolor
@orangeismyfavoritecolor 2 жыл бұрын
The first HTTYD movie will forever hold a special place in my heart. Though the further on they went with the movies, the closer they got to making it one of those cash-grab movies/cartoons. Also the original concept design for the Light Fury was so much better than what we actually got. I wish we got that version instead hahah.
@michselbstangepisst8533
@michselbstangepisst8533 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said, I liked your redesigns, all the outlines were good but the colour palettes were not the best, I really like HTTYD all the movies, but I've never seen the two shows, nine realms looks like a cash grab, the animation looks really bad, the designs look ugly, I wonder if this was an entirely new team or they didn't have good designers, I thought this would've kept the storyline going with Hiccup and Toothless's children, (If I remember right, both had kids? idk) I thought they did because the black and white one with blueish eyes, looked like one of the dragon babies, at the end of the movie. lol.
@scorpiusrexman1017
@scorpiusrexman1017 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that the Nine Realms was okay but could have more episodes and development for the characters
@joshuagonzalez4183
@joshuagonzalez4183 2 жыл бұрын
same
@thegrumple5862
@thegrumple5862 2 жыл бұрын
same like it definitely wasn't good because they can't posibly uphold the same standards with the budget they were given, but at least it was watchable
@larslionheart
@larslionheart 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh I like the redesigns. You actually made Thunder look cute. The original is so ugly. (And all the originals feel uninspired tbh)
@yuuya3639
@yuuya3639 2 жыл бұрын
I never watched the new show because the moment i saw all the dragon design cause when i see them i knew if the dragon design is this lazy i can't imagine the show itself. And that's the biggest problem of Wu and Wei for me because this show has done an Asian inspired dragon search up slitherwing, it's a barongsai inspired poison dragon that has very vibrant colors and although for me it's obvious the Asian inspired design they TRY to seamlessly work it into the world and it worked. As an Asian (granted I'm not Chinese but my country do derive a lot of Chinese culture and have decent amount of Chinese people) for me the racist thing about Wu and Wei isn't that they're the most obvious cultural design but the fact they just so lazy with how they integrate the culture into dragon form. I mean they just slap an Asian dragon make it with 2 heads and color it differently with little effort for making it seems like a normal dragon in the world of how to train your dragon is enough for them.
@plipplop1769
@plipplop1769 2 жыл бұрын
I think they could've done a good chinese inspired dragon but that isn't really what they were going for? They seem to want to make it really obvious but in all the wrong ways, idk if others agree with me but the dragon looks like a Chinese man stereotype, not the dragon. The massive underbite, the angry eyes, small head and way too long beard combined just feel offensive. I think they could've made a much more respectable representation of a Chinese inspired dragon imo by focusing on more of the actual dragon features, first of all less grumpy like come on, trim the beard too, what is this a wise old chinese dude? Also the body is the most distinctive thing, if they weren't so focused on making a hideous zippleback ripoff they could've been way more successfull. They could describe it easily too with just migration or something. This dragon has no features exclusive to a chinese dragon and a lot of features on racist depictions on chinese people. Disappointing because I think Chinese dragons are really cool, but this is just a western dragon with asian man stereotypes.
@chansfeet2500
@chansfeet2500 2 жыл бұрын
@@plipplop1769 THANK YOU, I SWEAR I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT THOUGHT THAT- Real talk though, I feel that there are much better ways to implement asian inspired dragons. A) Make a mix between dragons like the Fireworm. Flightmare, Death Song, and grapple grounder. Then keep the lengthy elements of them and use Norse and Chinese mythology. B) Maybe asian dragons existed but only migrated recently to the lost world due to their numbers going down.
@vampx.
@vampx. Жыл бұрын
Okay but THE WATER SIDE OF THE TWO HEADED DRAGON LOOKS SO CUTE IN THAT ONE DRAWING WHERE IT GETS SHOUTED AT BY THE OTHER SIDE IM CRYING
@chitheidiot8299
@chitheidiot8299 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh, I havent been that into HTTYD in a couple of years, i really like the movies, but im not "part of the fandom" just because i always have this thing with fandoms i like of making ocs, or stories and stuff, and the world felt so rounded and perfect that I just couldn't bring myself to even try and touch it or tarnish it. But I feel like, with this new show (and probably every other recent show the movie derived), they tried to "open the world" outside of Hiccup and Toothless, that in the future dragons are still out there roaming the streets under peoples noses and no one really realizes it except for those who were "worthy". Or at least that's what I think should have happened. So idk, maybe I'll try and make a fanfic in tumblr or smth. For what is worth, your vid did make the creative juices flow, so thanks! The redesigns look really cool!
@NixFaerie
@NixFaerie 2 жыл бұрын
thunder or lightning or whatever- it looks like from those hideous proportions that they took the night furies which were catlike and tried to turn it into a dog. why on earth would you do that.........
@josephivenegas
@josephivenegas 2 жыл бұрын
...some cats have snouts?
@taylorski9039
@taylorski9039 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say I agree with all your points, I saw the trailer and had a little bit of hope but it all got lost in the first episode. What bothers me the most is that with kids shows and movies that I used to watch didn't force-feed me the story they just told it and some points I didn't understand until I was older but I think that's what made them so good. I HATE how people think they need to spoonfeed a story to kids and in this series it was just dull and bland and way too much of just explaining the emotions instead of showing. I wanted more color more beauty to how the franchise is suppose to be, the idea seems good I just was expecting more from it. Anyway I love the redesigns and I hope you keep up the good work!
@auneerie8375
@auneerie8375 2 жыл бұрын
Thunder redesign is so precious I love him I don't want to watch the series; it'll taint my memory of the original movies
@kidflashII
@kidflashII 2 жыл бұрын
when I heard the synopses of hidden world I wanted to write a next gen set in scottland, sort of like the writer of the books, a decendant of hiccup encountering dragons on the family farm and such.
@Bashfulhyena
@Bashfulhyena 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would’ve been cool to explore the Night Lights design in this show (It would’ve only made it a little better). Because night lights couldn’t have stayed super black realistically, I think they would’ve bred with Light Furies, which would’ve over the years made them lighter and lighter. I think the design should’ve been white with black speckles along it’s body. Also just hate this show in general
@eclair6910
@eclair6910 2 жыл бұрын
Some sources I've read say Thunder is supposed to be a Night Light not a Night Fury. Night Light being a hybrid of the Night Fury and their subspecies the Light Fury. In other words Thunder should look like a mix of both species, not whatever generic abomination he looks like.
@lakaylaporter6322
@lakaylaporter6322 2 жыл бұрын
33:29 It ok I kinda feel the same way when companies do this to their franchises. for example I still can’t get over what they did with lion king ( the live action movie and especially the lion guard)
@moon_wolfi1124
@moon_wolfi1124 2 жыл бұрын
No one else has mentioned this, but to be honest, Feathers kinda looks like Glory from Wings of Fire. Just the colors, not anything else lol.
@AshyProductions
@AshyProductions 2 жыл бұрын
Yo- Is that two headed one a Scauldron mixed with a Monstrous Nightmare, mixed with a Hideous Zippleback with added Chinese culture? Cool. Though looking at just this and the official designs, I prefer this one. THE POLAR BEAR IS THE CHOSEN ONE- Bro I've been living under a rock. I had no idea this existed until now. This video is the first thing I've seen of it. Maybe not the best video to start it off with, but oh well- Also, 30:16 looks like it could be from the Jurassic Park animated Netflix series thing, or Paw Patrol.
@pascaleelliott63
@pascaleelliott63 2 жыл бұрын
Much prefer your designs in comparison to the show's designs. Especially Thunder's! ^^
@thatperson278
@thatperson278 2 жыл бұрын
Despite its *many* flaws, the Gone series talks about a specific incident of a character multiple times. The thing is it works because every time it's meant to act as the character in question being called what is essentially a "one hit wonder"
@someoneb4691
@someoneb4691 2 жыл бұрын
If anyone hasn't already,I really recommend watching Riders of Berk and Race to the Edge. I loved how they explored new dragons and filled in the gaps that the movie didn't. I might give this new show a try but I know how disappointing it will be, sadly
@wolfy297
@wolfy297 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how you changed the piece where Thunders wings connect to his body. It was so thin it drove me nuts. Thank you for fixing him!
@zandraarvai5609
@zandraarvai5609 2 жыл бұрын
the perfect video to play as I paint my nails. thanks for the entertainment
@thecookierhino2385
@thecookierhino2385 2 жыл бұрын
You are the exact audience member I was aiming towards. I hope all my viewers have beautiful nails by the end of the video. Thank you
@itsstudytimemydudes4345
@itsstudytimemydudes4345 2 жыл бұрын
I need to know what colors you went for, I do the same when watching videos sometimes but I always need inspo
@alexandraarvai7536
@alexandraarvai7536 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsstudytimemydudes4345 Black with a gold flake accent nail on the ring finger! Specifically Holo Taco brand, highly recommend
@itsstudytimemydudes4345
@itsstudytimemydudes4345 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexandraarvai7536 that sounds amazinggg thanks!
@KayGee_yt
@KayGee_yt 2 жыл бұрын
I majored in animation (therefore I am the authority on all things it would seem) and I love your flowers design. She's so expressive with the feathers and that's much more animal-like
@cryppi1510
@cryppi1510 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your redesigns! The two headed dragon's colors you chose really clash though, the red, blue, yellow and purple just feels like way too much contrast, I personally would've stuck with hues of red - blue - purple
@holly8r-commons
@holly8r-commons 2 жыл бұрын
June being a walking stereotype to clarify i am asian, low key offended by her character
@nibello
@nibello 2 жыл бұрын
Love the re-designs! Can you possibly do a redesign of the Fault Ripper dragon? It had the worst design out of all the dragons. It looked like it came out of freakin’ Dark Souls.
@Maieveryday2
@Maieveryday2 2 жыл бұрын
How omg, you made 100% better designs than this show wtf
@baubleBeee
@baubleBeee 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Thunder's colors are a little understandable, like the nightfuries are supposed to be like cats so Thunder's colors are more like a tuxedo cat but there's a lot still about how the body is actually shaped that just... looks Bad
@IamLeah104
@IamLeah104 2 жыл бұрын
they had to hire YOU as their dragon character designer, honestly. I loved them all, especially loving the hybrid of a scauldron, nightmare and hideous zippleback! The, zippledron? Hideous Cauldronhook? Any name would be better than the previous abomination xD
@ryujikazuda
@ryujikazuda 2 жыл бұрын
The nine realms was just really unnecessary. After the hidden world, it was like, “oh wow, this is a satisfying end.” And everything was great. But then they decided, “Jurassic park got a tv show on Netflix, let’s do one of those!” Hhhhh. It was perfectly fine before and everyone was fine with how the movie ended things. And they just RUINED HTTYD.
@neutralclownpose3928
@neutralclownpose3928 2 жыл бұрын
Wow those designs look VILE. I watched/read all of the other httyd things and i have never even heard about this series. Even the humans look bad?? Why didn't they just use the normal artstyle.
@namelessm0nster234
@namelessm0nster234 2 жыл бұрын
I personally think that the dragon at the end (can’t remember the name they gave it) had a really cool concept, but bad execution. The drilling into rock by spinning and breathing fire or whatever was really cool to me, but the animation model they used was *painful* to look at for such an interesting concept
@tdf_worldkey6666
@tdf_worldkey6666 2 жыл бұрын
i could not sit thrugh the first episode but i like your summary your design is really neat for the dragons for feathers specifically i like the chameleon aspect i would have throught that another cameleon dragon would look like the other two kinds of color chnaging dragons we got in the series like an evolution type of thing but i really enjoy the flowery aspect thats such a cool thing that could be deled into like if it is the mimic of a flower that means there are flowers dangerous enough that they are mimicked for safety or somthing like in the secret dragon land to hide from bigger predetors theres actually so much potential like you pointed out in many cases
@coffeecaim2527
@coffeecaim2527 2 жыл бұрын
I love the scauldren look you went with for wu and wei
@Velvetio
@Velvetio 2 жыл бұрын
22:19 But if this is future generations, toothless and ‘the light fury’ were the last of their kind, so that’s why all future furys are a mix, that’s why it’s not a night wing recolor, it’s a night light.
@cryptoruins8423
@cryptoruins8423 2 жыл бұрын
Plowhorn kind of reminds me of the rumblehorn, the bettle like body shape, and the wings underneath the exosceleton
@Terra_Stara
@Terra_Stara 2 жыл бұрын
Came back and found out this isn't even thousands of years later, just 1,300 years. Which means either the dragon cave has time changes and stuff or lots of inbreeding until you reach the new species... That seems fast honestly.
@emmadove9052
@emmadove9052 2 жыл бұрын
Hey! Just wanna say, your redesign of Wu and Wei isn’t actually a wyvern! What you made is closer to an amphiptere. Wyverns have back legs, like dragons, but the two front legs are the wings. Amphiptere is what you redesigned them as, which has wings and a snake-like body. Just a tiny correction, there’s so many dragon-type species it can get confusing Edit: I’m blind, I just now saw the note in the video, w o o p s
@Bezanie
@Bezanie 2 жыл бұрын
I would've liked to know what happened to New Berk and the New Berk Vikings! Tom's a descendant of Hiccup right? And to keep such an ancient relic (Hiccup's helmet)! Were they really proud of their Viking heritage? Or is there a deeper meaning for keeping the helmet in the family? The Berkians were trying to keep the dragons safe from the world, so why did they leave New Berk? Would there be a secret society that would at least keep tabs on the dragons to make sure they're safe? Why would they even allow a company who has no clue about the dragons, go exploring around the VERY place the Berkians wanted to keep hidden? And how did other cultures get involved, since it appears to no longer be about Vikings anymore? It's just, if they're trying to tie this with the HTTYD movies and series, there would be more mysteries and puzzles right? I hope the show gets better.
@Glitchervius
@Glitchervius 2 жыл бұрын
I just met your channel and HOT DAMN I LOVE IT SO FAR
@thecookierhino2385
@thecookierhino2385 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Hope I can keep it up! :D
@Glitchervius
@Glitchervius 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecookierhino2385 I hope so too! because I love dragons, I love art commentaries, and DAMN do I love your style.
@lydiaweber8112
@lydiaweber8112 10 ай бұрын
The one drawing of Wu blowing bubbles endeared me to this dragon immediately and so much more then the entire nine realms show
@mysryuza
@mysryuza 2 жыл бұрын
When I heard about it, I knew it was gonna be a wild ride since it takes place in modern times. Idk about some other people, but I feel so numb and dull with stories taking place in modern time eras, but that’s just me though. Ngl, Feathers (because of course it’s named that bruh) looks like a love child of Toothless and Stormfly. I feel like there was some weird case of inbreeding or something over the centuries, hence how the dragon retained most of the anatomy from his ancestors. It’s weird to think about tbh.
@MrBlack0950
@MrBlack0950 Жыл бұрын
you do a really god job capturing the vibe of the HTTYD desings, both the final ones from accross the franchise and the nicolas marlet artwork the designs were based on. Its got that same whimiscal gecko dog aesthetic.
@eater_of_grass_beater_of_ass
@eater_of_grass_beater_of_ass 2 жыл бұрын
Your drawings have so much personality, i love it!
@camilaribeiras6311
@camilaribeiras6311 2 жыл бұрын
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE your take on thunder! holy crap, well freaking done!!
@knightmare-ish
@knightmare-ish 2 жыл бұрын
for Wu and Wei i felt looked more like a scaldron with two heads so ziplebacks and scaldrons could breed enough number of times to geneticly change so I like it
@unlikelyspecimen244
@unlikelyspecimen244 2 жыл бұрын
bruh, watching the redesigning process is just *breathtaking* almost makes me wanna get back into art
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