They aren’t interested in the elite/low handicap players in club competitions. That is clearly obvious. I don’t even bother with club comps, only the scratch knockout and club champs.

Our club comp uses gross and net scores so the best (low handicap guys) are the regular winners while the mid to high handicap guys tussle it out for the best net score trophy…win, win!

In Denmark most club competitions are divided into A, B and C groups (sometimes even D) according to handicaps. This means that you normally will compete against players that are within 10 to 15 strokes of yourself. You will still get the odd 44 points winner but that will typically be because he/she had a good day, not because they have manipulated their handicap. Typically good scores also come on days where the weather and the course is good. WHS might be a little complicated but it works IMO. We have used the course rating minus par for more than 25 years and with a system very similar to WHS. I hardly ever experience players that are cheating on the HDC anymore.

Yup agree 💯. I'm a 2.8 and , unless you're an 8 or higher ...you have next to no chance to win a net tournament

Lots of Clubs still have Divisions in Medal Competitions, as was the case before WHS. Simple divisions are Div 1 up to 9 handicap, Div 2 10-18 handicap, Div 3 19-54. Should keep everyone happy Oh wait, that is impossible, 😂 Then 19 handicap golfers would be victims of banditry from higher handicaps.

It’s making a lot of average golfers play off low handicaps

AND KZfaqRS THINKING THEYRE GOOD ENOUGH TO BE PRO.@@ultimategolfgameelite6655

The system works if everyone submits their scores regularly, sadly there are too many people allowing their money to be taken by people not submitting cards (which is cheating)

Hi Russel. Thanks for commenting. You are not alone. Can you email me on golfshowpaul@gmail.com and. I can send you some more details On the changes.

It's easy - if 9 holes played, a formula based expected score is added as score differential to the SD of the 9 holes played. Not an intelectual challenge at all.

Hi Craig. I’m with you. I want to be the best I can be. 👍🏼. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Regards. Paul

I have a friend who thinks like this as well. I'm a 8 he doesn't have a handicap but I'd guess he is a 15. He wants to compete with me on a no shots basis. Although that's very good of him, long term it won't make the match competitive. On average I'll beat him by 7 shots every time we play if both of us, neither improved or got worse. It's the only sport that players from different abilities can actually have a fair competition with each other it's what makes the sport great. You should want to play with people better than you as much as you can. The amount you'll learn would be great for your game. The people giving you shots will understand why they are giving you them to so they shouldn't feel bad about it either. They'll come a point when you do improve and you might start wiping the floor with them or in competitions and some people may turn around and call you a bandit. Most people just have a joke with the saying but others do say it seriously. You shouldn't take offence to this if you have been putting in cards (If you want to get an official handicap) and you are improving a lot. A higher handicap will drop lower faster than a lower handicapper will just because they have more low hanging fruit to improve on. I remember in the old handicap system years ago I was a max handicap of 28 and got down to 15 fairly quickly. Just enjoy the game and have fun!

Glad to know I'm not alone. I started playing in 1965 and don't think the word handicap was ever mentioned by anyone I ever played with through the 80s. I left golf for fatherhood in the late 80s and when I returned in earnest in '23, all I ever heard was "handicap". Luckily, I play alone a lot, or with a couple of friends. I play the course because I want to know how I can do on the course. (If I'm having a bad day, I don't bother with a score. I just hit shots.) But I don't care if I can "beat" some guy because he gives me 7 shots- Hey, I didn't actually beat him and wouldn't want such a "victory". What a joke. I just want to play the game. I'd never watch the game again if Zach Johnson could beat Scotty, Victor, Jon, etc in the Masters because he was given 10 shots.

Hi Paul. Club pros don’t tend to have handicaps so I think most won’t be affected.

I would also like to see the board used properly , like if a woman wants to participate in what is a yellow tee comp then her handicap comes from the ladies yellow board and that is the tee to play from , no ladies off forward tee or yellow tee and red index plus 3 shots at our club , or why what is the yellow and white tee ladies list for SHOW!!!

Hi Steve. Every course is assessed by the likes of England Golf etc and rated for its difficulty

Hi Paul. It will be your playing handicap that changes with this change

Hi Alan. As far as I’m aware there are no planned changes in that area. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏼

Well said Andrew

If only committees could, that has been taken away from them by WHS.

@@peterbaker4395 that’s a strange response to my answer. When I play in a competition, a member of handicap committee has my score card ready for me, with my whs, course, and playing handicap on it. I then enter my score, either hole by hole, on given app, or when I am finished, into the computer at the club, or on my phone using an app, take a picture of my signed card, send it to my nominated handicap committee member, then score is verified by committee member, and it becomes a confirmed score. A Committee member is involved all the way through the process, and when all cards are in and verified, the official result is published by a committee member, usually the Handicap Secretary, or appointed deputy, and the result is final.

Hi Geoff. That was the intention but I agree many don’t. At our place you are meant to sign in prior to teeing off and ideally tell the Pro shop.

I agree Kev. I think most of these will make it easier for people to put cards in more often which is the intent of the system.

ERM LETTING FOLKS THINK THEYRE BETTER THAN THEY ARE IS A GOOD THING? ITS A JOKE, YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT KZfaqRS TO SEE ITS A FARCE.

PUTTING IN YELLOW CARDS FOR 9 HOLES IS A JOKE, THE SAME PERSON WHO SHOOTS HIS BEST EVER 9 CANT BREAK 90 THE NEXT COMP.... @@GolfShow

@GolfShow will this make it a level playing field? Will winning scores become achievable by the whole field? Or will it still be ridiculous scores winning club comps. Last year out course record was broken on a Saturday and he wasn't within 3 shots of the winning score. Its a shit system. The old system every round you ever played counted towards your index, you had to battle for buffer zone to avoid going up, if you beat your handicap it would cone down. Last year I shot level par, which was my best round for months and my index went up because a 2 under dropped out of my 20 rounds... 💩

It's generally people failing to understand the intention. Your index is trying to calculate your CURRENT playing ability. That is derived from 8 qualifying scores of your most recent 20 rounds. Under the old system, if you scored 42 points, you'd have got a 6 x 0.3 = 1.8 and potentially a discretionary 2 shot cut. So a genuine 15 who has a day out be playing from 11 and drift back up at 0.1 each round. It could be 3 years before they played off 15 again! Under this system that won't happen. The "day out" round will reduce their HC by 1 immediately but more importantly it will reflect their CURRENT ability (or recent) and not what you did one day 2 years ago. High HCs coming in with 40 plus has always been a thing and will be Under any system because of statistical variance. They shoot more blobs and more 3 or 4 pointers than low handicappers. On days when they manage not to shoot so many blobs, the score racks up quick but it's not a bad system - it's just misused by people who think it's ok to game the system to win (again something that happens in any system)

Hi Kev. I know right! I don’t have their perspective, is suspect it’s easier as there are no manual adjustments now. We have a criteria of having at least 3 qualifying scores per year for a valid comp hcap.

@@GolfShowhi Paul just to ask is it a local rule at your club about three cards in to keep handicap per year as there is no such rule as mentioned by the Yorkshire Union at a local meeting earlier this year.

@@davidgreen9063hi David. Thanks for commenting. I suspect I’ve got that wrong then, apologies. That was certainly the case pre WHS. However, does that mean all handicaps are always ‘active’, even if a player hasn’t put a card in for say a year?

@@GolfShow Hi Paul I did ask that question,as long as the player in question has had an initial handicap (three cards in)and has been issued a membership number,then decides to quit for a year or so,then my understanding was as long as he had the lifetime membership number he would come back on his original handicap.Even if he joined another club.Got to reiterate that was my understanding from the meeting earlier this year.

@@davidgreen9063thanks for clarifying David. It’s quite a change. 👍🏼

I spoke to WHS before the system was imposed and told them that for the ordinary club golfer, introducing a system allowing for handicaps up to 52 for new players would ruin it for them and if I was required to play such a golfer with such an outlandish handicap I would just refuse and concede rather than unnecessarily beating my brains out, it wouldn’t be enjoyable. The bean counter concerned could not understand or give a damn. I was convinced that he was a non golfer

Cheers Phil 👍🏼

Yeo keep putting them in pal 👍🏼

@@GolfShow Not done any for ages, West End has been on temps for over a month...joined another club to get on a course again! Halifax GC a Braid McKenzie design 👍

If you beat your handicap by that much you will get an extra 2 ESR, so it should resolve itself. I think you should at least have an established handicap to enter comps (min 20 cards).

@@JimN109 I agree, some clubs locally require that you have 20 cards (enter comps for free but can't win). I put it as a suggestion to my Club and they disagreed. So new players continue to win. One benefit is that it encourages them but not vey fair on people with established handicaps.

Because they see that a lot of higher hcp stop playing golf because they don't improve in HCP. Because they don't practice enough of course 🙂. But people want to have easy results now. They don't want to improve their technique and practice but think they still should lower their hcp because they do 1 great shot or chip in 20 shots. I see a lot of starters (most older persons) chipping the ball over the golf course (hitting 5 times in the bunker) and after 6 holes being happy they shot all double or worse.

@@Wesley_Juakali no big loss to the game... the pandemic brought more people to golf than the WHS. All WHS is going to do is driver good players away from the game, what's the point of practicing, lessons, buying new equipment, paying for a membership when the odds are stacked against you? They will wonder what's gone wrong when these type of players find another hobby... I'm thinking of taking up fishing 🎣

Where do you get an 18 handicap from if their index is 15? A 15 index should be reduced to 14 when you apply the 95% rule. Or are you referring to the slope rating?

@JimN109 15 index, gets 18 course handicap. WHS is a Shit system designed to benefit shit golfers. Winning scores are a joke... if it was a level playing field 43 - 44 stableford points would still be a hood pairs score... now its 48 to 50. A pair of scratch golfers have no chance of that.

@@PWG0LF I don't see how you're getting an 18 handicap from a 15 index

What is it specifically that you don't like, Lenny? Is it the fundamental concept or the app-based nature of it? Or something else?

IT S SHITE AND TELLS YOU 12 ROUNDS DONT COUNT, ITS LIKE SAYING HIT IT IT OB AND HAVE A MULLIGAN, GOLF IS HARD, IF YOU CANT ACCEPT GO PLAY ANOTHER SPORT, GIFTING SHIT AVERAGE PLAYERS AND KZfaqRS LOW HANDICAPPS NOT EARNED IS A JOKE.@@kevthepongo

It's just an average of your best 8 rounds out of the last 20. What's confusing about it?

Hi Graham. Thanks for taking the time to comment. You are not alone in your views from what others have also written below. Thanks for watching. Regards Paul

I don't necessarily agree with you, Steve. I'm generalising here, of course, but if we say that most new players will be smart phone savvy then you don't need any maths knowledge. The apps do it all for you. I do think that the various golf authorities could do a better job at cohering their apps and databases so that it becomes truly international.

WHS, 42 is the new 36 points.

You’ve called it 👍🏼. I think it’s a great change and long overdue. Thanks for taking the time to comment

IF HE IS ITS PURE LUCK.