"I'm sure I don't need to explain who 100 thieves is to you." Thank god he explained it because I have no idea who the fuck they is.

Frosty almost helped them by saying 95%, set the bar high so people were less taken aback by the 85% number which is still insane

As someone who does not use Twitter, I feel immensely blessed to be praised by such kind words from Charlie

“Load of dirty barnacles” “Absolute fish paste” Charlie talking like he’s from Bikini Bottom

"-in case you weren't on Twitter, if so God bless you, keep up the great work, you're doing amazing, champ" Charlie coming with the great life advice

As someone that doesn’t know a single thing about e-sports, I appreciate your brief lore recap.

Damn after hearing that Charlie made a management company just so he could do what he thinks is right is so impressive. My respect for you has gone way up.

85% is actually ridiculous, no one should be accepting predatory deals like this. Yes, you probably won't get a lot of sponsors but this goes both ways. If all the content creators actually realise this and demand a bigger share of the sponsorships then this wouldn't be happening in the first place, it's just a shame that a lot of these creators are just inexperienced kids and don't realise that.

I love how the argument of "You wouldn't get it", "You've never done this" and "You can't prove this" doesn't work with Charlie since he founded a management company and an esports group. He does, in fact, knows what he's talking about now.

Feels so good being constantly complimented by Charlie for not having Twitter

"In case you weren't on Twitter and if you weren't God bless you. Keep up the great work. You're doing amazing champ" Thanks Charlie. I take pride in not having a Twitter account

"the deal is there because the creator is there" and you're right, and yet no one seems to understand why no one wants to do labour heavy jobs anymore...

i've actually worked with Human Media Group twice now and they have been nothing but great. and because of them, i've learned just how unfair some of the deals ive had in the past are.

I love how Charlie is being the change he wants to see. An absolute pillar standing tall in a murky swamp of an industry.

"we have a large company THEREFORE we have to pay our larborers like absolute shit so we can afford to pay our upper management people way more than they're worth" is a Walmart CEO take. People need to start recognizing that shit.

Charlie is such a good dude. He was fucked over by an industry, and when he got into a position to do the fucking, he chose not to; he took the moral road. The only things that sucks about this is that it feels so... natural... that he sticks out like a sore thumb, because the average asshole just doesn’t care. They’ll ride you for all your worth, and take from your energy as much as they possibly can.

Thank you for the 100 Thieves lore Charlie, I didn't realize I was your grandma. I'm very proud of you my handsome grandson 💜

Trying to defend taking up to 85% and at the same time making 95% sound like it's the most vile thing ever, is such a corporate like defense lol.

"I'll do a recap just in case my grandmother is watchin" Well young man, you got me

i continue to be flabbergasted by peoples’ willingness to see corporations as more human and valuable than the actual humans holding them together.

Charlie: "If youre not on twitter good job" Me who is not on twitter: "haha yay" Charlie: "in case my grandma is watching" Me who didnt know who 100 thieves were: "ahhh damn"

Sometimes I feel like Charlie is the protagonist of the internet, what a nice fella

Charlie is 1000% right on this! We see this in the music industry with predatory percentage cuts and here it is happening in the gaming space. Largely because you have young people largely don't know how business works and knowing their worth more importantly. Glad this was talked about. 85% is WILD and shouldn't even be a thing.

I wish there was more people like you to know you actually give a damn about those you are getting sponsors for speaks volumes. Thank you Charlie!

"I know he doesn't own Arby's, but he brought the meat" is now going to part of my daily vocabulary, nearly fucking popped a lung.

I genuinely laughed when he said 85% like that is either a much better deal and not an absolutely outrageous amount to take off a sponsorship deal

This is one of the many reasons that i'm a huge fan of what you do in the industry. I really appreciate people who take the time to improve the playing field and cleaning up some of the trash for everyone's benefit.

It’s sad, what a lot of creators don’t realize is outside of content creation an actor’s agent takes 15% maybeee 20%. Content creators should be treated THE SAME 😔.

If you're an actor the standard agent fee is 10%, pretty much flat because of unionization. Literary agents get around 15%. Music agents generally 5%-15% If you're a content creator you seriously need to do your homework before signing anything, and take an honest look at either finding a non-exploitive agency like HMG or look into going it alone. There's countless videos, blogs, and articles out there ready to give tons of advice on finding the help you need or getting set up on your own

2:14 That honestly sounded like a Mr. Burns joke from the Simpsons. “Goodness no! We don’t take 95% of our employees sponsorship deals! What, do I look like a monster to you? We only take 85% of course.” 🤣

I am actually getting to the age where there are professional gamers who are not old enough to properly remember Machinima and what a shitshow that company was. We are coming full circle with zero lessons learned.

Big respect to Charlie, he’s truly a man of the people.

Its crazy how professional HMG is and knowing that Charlie of all people is at the head of it is absolutely mind boggling to me.

It's up to Moist eSports to bring integrity back to the scene

Imagine selling your house and your realtor get 85% of the price.

no clue what the ins and outs of the contract is but the line 'we dont take 95% 'only' 85%" whilst having the tonation as if thats so much better gives off such corpo sociopath vibes

My thoughts exactly. I work with HMG and they’ve been an incredible lifeline. The 100T contracts don’t seem fair at all.

"We're not taking 95% - that's a total lie...we're taking 85%!" I don't think this is a good argument

I've always appreciated that Charlie does the topic recaps, cause honestly I never end up on the e-sports side of the internet. Recap seemed like a really good summary though, super helpful :)

Thanks man, keeping me up to date with twitter things so I never have to look at that website. Still clean too. Never touched that specific narcotic .

My mom who has never touched a video game in her life watches you Charlie so I’m glad you easily break stuff down and explain things

"We retained 85% of the revenue." That's still an absurd amount, my guy.

Just the take of "Why would i need proof? Why would i lie?" Is dangerous levels of bs

Charlie telling me that I’m “doing amazing champ” literally just made my day. I probably should go to therapy…

Back in the day of MCN supremacy on KZfaq I remember finally realising it was predatory for a company to sign you at a 70/30 revenue split - when he said 85 I spit out my water

Love this content. Calling out shitty business practices in this space is super important. Lots of kids getting into content creation have no idea of whats a good or bad deal obviously. Thanks big moist

Me who does not use Twitter and did not know about any of this: *”I feel like a hero.”*

it's on the kids' parents and representatives to make sure that they arent being taken advantage up, which people like you explaining what a normal cut of sponsorship fees should help a ton.

Charlie is going above and beyond with his management deals btw. I honestly don't know why every sub 500k KZfaq/twitch streamer isn't partnering with his company. Those numbers are insane.

It's not just gamers/creators -- any talent agent/management company, etc. that is outside the 10-25% range is predatory. That range has existed as an industry standard for reputable representatives in basically every branch of sports & entertainment forever (in acting, it might be split between an agent getting about 10% and a manger getting another 10-15% -- in sports you might have an agent taking 5-10% of your playing contract revenue and maybe 15-25% of your brand endorsements which require more continual labor and negotiations, etc.). The notion of 85% being anywhere in a contract should be fucking criminal -- like you even think about doing that and Minority Report precogs send you straight to jail. Edit: since some of you are confused about how this would relate to the music industry where recording companies are known to take large percentages of profit/revenue. These entities are like the platforms (Twitch, KZfaq, etc) and franchises/game companies (LCS, Blizzard, etc.) in the equation. The platforms and game companies make revenue directly based on your content & split that revenue with you in some way. Those entities tend to be oligopolistic and set whatever terms they want -- like record companies. It should be noted, for a small creator, the revenue split is literally 0% to the creator in most cases (until you are large enough to be partnered in some way on the specific platform). That conversation is very different from the one about an agent/management company, and the revenue split of found sponsors, which is what is being discussed here. Final Edit: Alrighty, lots of comments...lots of opinions. Many with merit -- some without any. I can't argue the morality of the contract; that's for each person to have a take on. I can't argue that The Mob was a good investment; they were let go because they weren't. I don't care about any of that though. My take is about the normalization of companies worth 9 figures taking advantage of a segment of the entertainment industry that has seen little regulatory, or, union, activity by hedging on their investments in a way that is highly atypical in the entertainment industry, at large. It will almost certainly change. Regulatory pressure will come. More lawsuits appealing to existing TAA will come. Organizations will not be able to continue creating unlawful contracts and laws will change to make more of their behaviors unlawful. That's all I have to say, I can't spend my life responding to comments -- Charlie has too many people watching his videos.

I still remember seeing your graduation photo on tumblr and feeling proud. You're a good man and I'm glad to be a fan of yours.

Haven’t watched this guy in a while, glad he’s doing well

I like how Charlie can tell all of this without emotion and still be good

This was fun to listen to. I liked how Charlie dipped into his experience of running a business of a comparable model, so it's not just random observations but a properly informed comparison between a fair rate and an exploitative one. Also appreciate the kudos for not using Twitter.

10:01 makes me remember pewdiepie "Its Evolving, Just Backwards" meme lmao

Thanks for the big up for not being on twitter, I needed that today

No matter your opinion on the drama we can all agree that when Charlie said “LA sucks” truer words have never been spoken

Putting the drama aside, your room looks really good and well-put-together now!

In most states, albeit this is slightly off topic, but lawyers take about 33.3% on specific types of lawsuits. I have seen really unfair splits and shares. Security is one of those things in NYC that is literally exposed for hiding real contract deals. They were paying security guards $8/hr on a $36/hr contract. It's so complicated with some of the choices, but literally. Working for a percent of something blows. But people like protection of an umbrella, even though sometimes it looks like your being smashed with a nuke. They feel they are better off than being alone and trying their fair in a world hypersaturated. . . It's almost scary.

Anyone defending 100 Thieves taking a percentage of the cut is like someone defending the government for higher taxes.

This is one of the biggest reasons on how Charlie has changed gaming forever. Truly giving power back to the players and being that voice of reason for artists. Moist boys for life

I am an old lady, please continue with the lore explanations. Nana is proud of you.

This is why you need an entertainment lawyer. If you are a Creator in Music, Gaming, Acting Etc, you need a lawyer to prevent this from happening.

Imagine selling your house and the conveyancer and real estate agent gets 35-85% of your housing profit

Honestly its incredible that you mentioned the 10%-15% flexibility cut you've always been so up front about everything but that is such a next level thing to bring up it truly shows just how much you care about the creators on the platform.

Hearing charlie talk about his group like that reminds me of how long it took him to monetise his videos and how long he donated that money to charity too and it makes my heart happy. He hasn’t changed in this way even after everything and it’s amazing

Can you imagine if you had a talent agent that took 85% of your paycheck? Yeah sure, they found the job for you, but you’re still the one who actually did the job. The agent’s only job is to find gigs for you to audition for. That’s not worthy of 85%.

Froste just seems like a person who couldn’t take the opportunity he was given and just do what his contract stated. “We lived terribly” yeah okay buddy. Each of them got $60K in one house, saying “we didn’t know where our next meal is coming from.”

Froste lost a lot of credibility when he said "why do I need to provide proof? Why would I be lying?" also learned a load about fairness in brand deals that I didn't know before so that's a bonus

So I worked in a warehouse for 6 years and whenever we’d hit busy times or we lost people (due to them being overworked and underpaid) I would bring the issues up and why people were upset about working 5-6 days a week, 12 hours a day instead of hiring more people or paying us more to offset the frustration/exhaustion….the amount of times I was looked in the face and told “this is just how the industry works” was fucking insane. Reminded me of what Charlie said in regards to 100 Thieves taking the cuts they are. “I’ve been around and this is how things have worked”. Nonsense. You’re the big guy on campus now, you now have the ability to change the industry from the inside. It’s like when your grandparents talk about how easy kids have it now getting a ride to school when they had to walk through blizzards while the coyotes eat their asses. Like, you grow and build to change bad and scummy into good and clean for life/business/existence. What’s the point of working hard for a better future, if you’re going to be bitter/scummy when you have finally achieved a position of making it better?

I love the way you explained these things that are a bit complicated to some of us. You may not know it but there is a large segment of little old ladies like me, watching yours and others channels because you are right around the same age as our sons, and with the same type of humor. And language! I Miss hearing those video games on all the time when my son was growing up….Yours is the first video I watch in the morning when I wake up.🤪

Love your take on labels taking so much from creators

As it would turn out, Charlie has way to many grandmothers, and I'm one of them. Charles is like the norse god Heimdall. He's such an awe inspiringly powerful entity that it took 9 mothers to birth him into the world, and he has 18 grandparents that absolutely stuff him full of food when he comes over so he could grow up big and strong and become the moist god of slapping we all know and love. He's actually 12 feet tall and uses Peter Jackson forced perspective tricks so it looks like he's a manlet.

Although Froste did a terrible job defending himself, nobody seems to be mentioning that the housing market was the highest it’s ever been over the last 2ish years, and housing that wasn’t expensive was probably near impossible to find

This reminds me of old KZfaq when everyone started talking about their channels being signed away and all their money was getting stolen by these management conglomerates. I mean even Charlie went through this.

"I'm sure we all know who 100 Thieves is! *Me, has no clue.*

Strangely enough, I actually see why Sykkuno was so against joining an organization now after hearing about how these contracts work..

1:03 Grandson, is that you?

Staying off of Twitter has definitely been a challenge. I've been scratching at my neck the past couple days so it really means a lot to hear how proud u are of me

In every other industry, an agent gets 10%. And here they're taking 85%> 😂😂😂

God I fucking love Charlie. He’s so level headed and is just such a good fucking dude. There’s not many internet people I look up to but damn, Charlie genuinely is

More proof that Moist eSports is the only prime, wholesome eSports team

Imagine working for something called 100 thieves and being surprised you got robbed

source : trust me bro (11:54)

The way this man pulls seven figure views with the title simply “Huge Drama” and no edited thumbnail in this algorithm is actually insane

If I was a streamer I'd only ever want to work with moist and the gang. Nice seeing someone putting integrity back into this shit

I work at Walmart in the backroom unloading trucks. We make more than most people in the store but of course not as much as management. I bring home a little over $30,000 a year, that much off of one brand deal is enough for me to take an entire year off, that's no money to sneeze at.

I wouldn't sign with anyone who wants to take more than 10%. That's always been the going rate for Hollywood Agents so it should be the same going rate for social media creators IMO.

As a freelancer who pays 20% of my overall revenue to Fiverr, hearing the word 85% is horrible. 100 Thieves are ripping off these content creators.

People like Charlie make me hopeful for the future of eSports. He doesn't just pick a side in drama, he gives HIS opinion, and you can just tell he's really looking out for the players in this situation and really cares about the exploitation problem in the industry.

As someone who doesn't use Twitter, I'm glad to be able to choose which drama I hear about lol, love the video!

I laughed at the Grandma part . TY for the explanation LOL

"Going backwards" is how it always seems to go when there is a set up like that with large sums of money involved. You always get the swamp creatures who greedily worm their way into situations where they make sure they benefit more than everyone else, to an extreme degree, even though they are doing the smallest amount of work.

Agree with you 100% moist. It’s been going on for so long, especially in the music business. Bands/singers/songwriters have been getting robbed of royalties and monies that they deserve for years! Thx for pointing this out and helping to draw awareness to creators! 💕

Bros had that one gfuel can in that fridge for ever

as someone living in Arkansas 5k a month rent being the cheap end sounds absolutely insane to me

Charlie: “Spread like a virus” KZfaq: that wasn’t very cash money of you *DEMONETIZED*

Glad your such a good guy Charlie and just do the right thing 15% is more then fair and is the standard for Hollywood and talent management.

Absolutely true that any more than 20% is just being greedy.

the zillows listings were being listed lower but the Fees and deposits needed to be put down add up to 10k+. its like facebook marketplace when people list something for cheap or Free just so you click on it, then you see the actual price