I mean to be fair I could actually see them actually having an argument. Is it silly? Of course. But you also CAN participate in human trafficking within this game.

Yeah, you're right. It's a weak argument. Some of these people use pets for their mental health. That's not what animals are here for.

@@tsb4 and you can mass kill in tone of games lol so what?

You can also capture and enslave humans and mate them with animals. If they're gonna go after it, they could at least go for the "worst" parts of the game 😂

@@tsb4 Can do the same thing in Rimworld, and worse even. Yet no one says anything about that game. Their really is no argument.

Ludwig died

Who’s Ludwig?

yeah, he even got the same haircut 💀

The nerve of some people. Can't believe Ludwig's not confronting his impostor 😮‍💨

So fr (this is a thoughtful and substantial comment)

And probably because the modder paywalled the mod behind a Patreon sub

@@juancarlosfernandezperez6843 not to mention they were just stealing the models from Pokemon S/V

Actually the pokemon company is going to launch an investigation against the "stolen assets" accusation

​@@juancarlosfernandezperez6843 uh no, Nintendo just goes really REALLY hard against things that actually violate their copyrights, see Pixelmon, Pokemon Uranium, the Metroid 2 remake, the Mario NFT Game. . . you'll notice the moment any of these caught the public eye they got DMCA'd and taken down- the guy who used to be in charge of Nintendo legal straight up said they were DMCAing "several infringing projects each day at a minimum" "so how is Palworld different?" I hear you ask, easy- the same way Digimon, Megami Tensei, Persona, and Ni no kuni can get away with being monster catching and battling games- Nintendo doesn't actually own the concept- they just own the licence to "pokemon" the brand, and "pokemon" the monster designs.

@@crazyabe4571 all of your examples are infringing onto their IP directly. So It's super cookie cutter to just emit a cease and desist. In this case, they have to identify precisely what pals they consider to close to being copied and anotate everything individually in a document because they absolutely cannot emit a complete cease and desist order because the game itself is not something GameFreaks own. That's the thing if something legal happens, they can't say "cease all operation until trial is done" because depending on the verdict, they would have to reimburse the estimated losses and GameFreaks would have to pay them. Also, yes they don't own "monster based" games. But why did everyone compared it to Pokemon and not Digimon or YuGiOh or Dragon Quest... because the concept is similar, the designs are similar, the art style is similar. That's why it's problematic. Can we all say, regardless of Palworld, all of Pocket Pair games have very dubious art direction? To me the most disgusting one is the Hollow Knight one.

The part where he thought he could use it as a pay to play mod, ignored copyright laws, thought he could get ez money lol

I think he's just using that method to spite the dev.

Stockholm syndrome.

people think companies like EA are bad meanwhile nintendo used to take down streamers and youtubers for playing their own game 💀

Stockholm syndrom Or battered wife syndrom

I wish they at least made their own designs, half of them are just slightly altered Pokemon or a fusion of two Pokemon

nintendo is literally the thing vs thing (japan) meme if nintendo wasn't a japanese company with OH SO MUCH HISTORY nobody would give a shit and would treat them like activision blizzard

Like bg3, spiderman 2, re4r, alan wake 2, gow r, elden ring, plenty of those games exist

​@@rewpertcone8243 you listed 5 AAA games and BG3

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@rewpertcone8243not really each of the games you mentioned have a specific theme. Elden ring is a rpg that’s dark souls like, bg3 is a rpg that’s turn based, alien wake is not a mainstream game at all and isn’t a large title that everyone cares about, Spider-Man2 is on ps5 only and is quite literally a button bashing game. Also all the games you mentioned are in large part a single player game. Sure you can coop in BG3 but majority of people don’t, and Elden ring is only coop in so areas and pvp if you choose to.

@zombiejelly4111 okay, you want co-op, monster hunter world. Your negativity is what's making gaming lame for you, not the games

@zombiejelly4111 also why is a game being non mainstream a bad thing, do you only want "wider audience" garbage games like ac valhalla and far cry 6?

there is generative 3d ai, but the models it makes are basically unusable for anything that moves

i mean using ai as reference is not bad tho

​@@comet.xbasically unusable at all, honestly. Maybe one day but that day is not today. It also takes immense amounts of time and power to generate. Fuck, generating 6 seconds of video requires 40 gigs of vram...

On top of that steam requires you to state if generative AI was used in the creation of the game, verifies it and states it in the game page if it was indeed used. So yeah, doesn't look like it

Not to mention that Steam has a no AI policy regarding to the publish of your games which requires full transparency on behalf of the team behind the games on what they contain

Pokemon card/plushie collecter here, i dont care for the games, i just like pokemon (the monsters) designs only, so I'm most happy that gamefreak is getting rivaled, It will probably make them realise they cant sit around and make games the quality they are having. Palworlds success might also mean Palworld plushies (If it gets big enough) so i can finally make a Piplup and Pengullet fight each other to the death

They really take the guy down who made the pokemon mod but not palworld itself

If this is an issue, then all souls-like are essentially an issue too. The designs of the pals or "pokemon" are dissimilar enough that it's clear there is inspiration, but clear that they are their own designs too. The mechanics have similarities conceptually and practically, but there are against dissimilarities enough that it is clear it is different. If copy-right is at the level where we can't have fun stuff like this that clearly is not a clone, but heavily inspired / derivative work of others, with its own twists and original design, then copy-right has to go entirely. I, for one, welcome competition to pokémon, and hope that similar games can and will crop up in this and other genres doing similar things.

@NukeCloudstalker I truly do acknowledge, & I see what you've stated to be a greater push, in creativity & to value differences in artistic styles and inspirational direction. I also do think and would have others consider, that Pokemon needs more competition in this sort of stylized art direction going forward, just as Digimon had at one point, given them a run for their money so to speak. We have to be more open minded to different ideas of different games, and styles that may take inspiration from other games, & that is what I would say, is a problem with the Pokémon fanatics, is that they MOSTLY just play Pokémon or JRPGs that have been around long before Palworld as well, then jumping back on the bandwagon, to defend Pokémon at its every beckon call for anything. In short: people need to stop praising & buying into Pokémon games, because it also created a form of delusional realities as well for many, not playing ANY other games other than Pokémon, which is a psychological issue as well, is what I would state or would like to point out. It is like the joke video that was going around, stating this: "just buy said product, for the sake of said product, and be happy no matter what.". Which, I completely DISAGREE with, to be completely, & fully honest with you. People NEED to stop being fans of said franchises, & to STOP praising gaming companies like they do, because they also become engulfed by it like a bunch of cultists, & then we eventually have a much BIGGER problem on our hands, eventually leading towards things like i.e. Generational Pokémon lovers, as well with National Dex Criticizers versus Modern Pokémon Fans for differences to be examined as well.

yes because that has actual pokemon stuff@@tenkuken7168

Nintendo is probably already gathering evidence and getting ready for a lawsuit. The thing is both companies are located in Japan, and the Japanese lawsystem is a little bit different. So before they raise a case, they will probably have a 99,9% chance of winning the lawsuit before they bring it to court. I think another possible lawsuit could be damage to their trademark, as graphic violence associated with Pokemon could be argued to injure their reputation with families in particular, and that is one of their primary demographics.

Not everyone, just Twitter users and we know that Twitter users have never even seen a single blade of grass.

@@MartinWasTaken an obvious over exeggeration i agree lets say the vocal nintendo simps who buy the same thing over and over again and loving it is that better ^^?

As long as they're stealing nintendo fans, good enough for me despite how bad the design of Palworld is. Fuck Nintendo.

The fact that people feel the need to defend a company like Nintendo is hilarious.

​@@damsen978only people I've seen mad at this game are nintendo fanboys. I think that many hardcore nintendo pokemon fans don't want to admit this is an upgrade

have you heard lud pronounce valorant

It’s one letter off give him a break lmao

They combined like 4 wheels though.

@@Doopyyz 4 wheels make a car, has proven to be quite successful

They didn’t really redesign anything the game play is just Ark without the Dinosaurs and they just added some ripped off Pokémon bases.

@@Amieeappleno I don’t think you realize how long it takes to make a polished game just because the concept is similar doesn’t mean it has to do with the game at all most studios don’t care and make their own float on the game.

​@@Amieeapple Tell me you've never played the game without telling me you never played the game.

Theres nothing in the description mentioning it to be a parody at all though. If that was the case i dont think any pokémon fanboys wouldnt enjoy this game either(i mean, look at snakewood lmao)

I mean team rocket would snatch up humans. Idea isn’t too far fetched. They’d torture our bro ash all the damn time.

do they also have breeding mechanics?

@@duskpede5146 they do you can breed to gain different passives and pals

Catching human is Chad move. No bar hold, and make you think.

Pokemons competitive scene would go wild if they made their own pokemon showdown

Legends Arceus is the only innovation I have seen in a long time and it wasn't itself a fully refined experience. New Pokemon games can be described - "Same formula recycled again and again to be shit."

When BW2 is over 10 years old now and is still the best pokemon game...There is a reason why Nintendo is a joke.

@@WriggleNightbug yep, havent bought a switch either and not going too. Id rather pirate the games if so - Honestly tried an emulated BW2 rom hack some time ago and it worked fine.

but you got pokemon go, one of the games of all time

Yeah. People give AI too much credit. It is an efficient all purpose tool... but nothing more than that. one tool of many, it cannot do any job alone. Jack of all trades master of none, and all that.

The ai is about concept art, not 3d models

​@@IdiotamSpielenwouldn't even say jack of all Trades Rather "jack of several trades"

you can definitely make 3d models with ai, and if they aren't good enough they can certainly generate a very well drawn 2d image. not that i care, i'm loving the game so far so i don't really care if the models are generally somewhat worse than a modern pokemon game, it's straight up more fun. i'm currently building a pokeball factory.

Ai is so good for code dude. You no longer have to do a lot of the busywork. I have it build classes and functions and then i tweak it. It’s a lot more than just writing your name at the start of an essay, it’s more like the entire first draft.

Its not tho. Its a low quality ark ripoff with no proper gameplay and an insane amount of bugs

@@cooltwittertagthe 1 million active players would argue otherwise

@@HappySmile153 so by your logic the best game ever made is pubg?

@@HappySmile153 and also by that same logic because it gets played a lot, pubg is also a pokemon competitor?

@@HappySmile153 popularity doesnt equal quality. Just because people have fun playing it doesnt mean it can rival pokemon especially at this state

"indie" game with 1000 million yen budget heavily partnered with Microsoft, sure.

​@@GhostGK21reading comprehension is at an all time low

His point is somewhat valid but Pocket Pair is in fact an independent company. Also, why say 1000 million when it's the same as saying billion.

Okay. I’m still enjoying Tears of the Kingdom

@@BrandonWestfall From cambridge dictionary: "a small company, especially a music, film, or television company, or a small shop or other business that is not owned by a larger company:" I guess size might be relative, but it still is a sizable company with probably a few dozens of employees, so I don't think they fit the "small" part too well.

Yooo I always see you in my shorts feed.

I mean, the proofs actually the opposite. Sword and shield is at number one(my absolute least favorite game in the franchise, what a bad story) while gen 5(one of the best stories and generations) sold the least. Yknow?

Your vids are amazing!

@@cakeeyplayz So you're sitting there with a straight face saying that good games don't sell. Ok. Lmao. Best of luck to you in real life... I have a feeling you'll need it.

Not at all. Do you know how much do the Pokemon games sell? Even the latest ones that are absolute garbage. It's the exact opposite, they sell extraordinarily well with minimal effort

Yeah the gameplay is completly different, pokemon is all about those action packed exciting turn based combats with ps2 models

If you were to compare, it’s more related at Ark/Digimon than to Pokémon

@@LimyDevotee not to mention ark has an animal/dino capture system using cryo balls. you throw em and capture em and carry em with you.

This is what I've been thinking this whole time, well put.

I just wish the designs weren't so lazy. If you've played pokemon then you can see Gengar's smile to a T on one Pal and Sobble's dorsal fin on another. One looks exactly like Decidueye, just without his cloak. I've heard the BOTW temperature gauge is just tacked on top of the game too. I feel bad for the TemTem devs now cause that game had designs that were almost entirely unique by comparison. I also wish monster collectors/pokemon fan games would stop with trying to be edgy. You can have a mature game that doesn't pull its punches without having slavery mechanics and guns slapped on top of a game.

He should have said this

He scaled it bigger, he didn't change the geometry

@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ True, which he said in his statements, which everyone should read before making any judgements

also, the one dude who said it is almost impossible to have similar proportions has never 3d modeled from an image before because yeah if multiple people plug in the same image they will get similar proportions

This is literally the greatest take I've ever seen

Pokemon true potential is in fangames and romhacks.

this! nintendo's singular worst characteristic is their ip abuse. imagine people defending ea over game-ruining microtransactions. i don't care if it's straight plagarism, emulation, or a mere reference to their material, all of it should be fine.

okay but pokemon has had competition since its conception and people have dogged them all for being clones (digimon for example) but now that something that literally looks like someone took two pokemon and merged them to call them pals, people are over the moon. it doesnt make sense to me tbh. I'm loving Palworlds and i've loved other games inspired by pokemon, I just dont understand what the sudden shift is all about.

No one dogged digimon for being a knock off they dogged it for being hot garbage lmao @@SpaghettiBrainX

Yeah I really dont care if its all AI made or whatnot, if it is fun I will play it.

its especially surprising considering what the company has done to craftopia (a previous early access game)

My thoughts exactly. I've been playing Craftopia from it's release day, and while i've had my fun it certainly wasn't anything unique or special, nor was it an all around great game. Ever since Palworld got announced i've been waiting for it, I could tell from the first teasers they had a solid direction they wanted to take it. I'd say i'm a fan of the studio, and they certainly stepped everything up with Palworld. Very refreshing to see the quality upgrade.@@ScootyD

@@ScootyDtheyre different teams

Honestly I was always hoping it would turn out well, I think introducing things like butchering and humans being able to be captured allows for some really interesting story ideas. Imagine a band of criminals invading your hometown and capturing all of the people you love for slavery, like Vikings or something

and a reminder that you can be critical of palworld and pokémon at the same time! i'm not trying to hold gamefreak on a pedestal or fight their battles for them, i'm simply stating my opinion as an artist and pokémon fan

ok artist, design 20 stylized cute monsters with elemental attacks..... oh, and they cant look similar to pokemon. let us know when you're done.. , Edit: apparently i was feeling a bit confrontational when i typed this, @Dragoonsoul7878 made a very well thoughtout reply , that was actually polite. I am humbled and apologize.

To be fair, most Pokemon designs are based on real or mythical creatures, so if you designed something in a similar style to Pokemon this will happen through no fault of your own. South Park made an episode about facing the same issue but it was "The Simpsons already did it." You can draw in an art style, but you don't own the style. You can't deny someone else the right to draw that way, only take specifically what you draw. If this was true then almost every sitcom or inspired by X would be illegal.

For real, the only people who care and dislike Palworld are artists, and no one else has any respect or fucking care in the world, art is so fucking doomed with the ignorant and unempathetic public, it makes me so fucking depressed

@@Dragoonsoul7878 IT'S NOT THE SAME, They stoled and copied models and designs, replecating silhouettes body shapes body parts color schemes and features blatantly.

sammeee lol

yeah, the problem isn't really in the form of the pokemon but more the fact that its face is a copy paste from Galarian Meowth

​@Karlyr_ this has already been proven wrong and the guy on Twitter who started the lie about ripped models, said he did it just because he didn't like the animal cruelty in the game

@@anthonyjoy9719 it's still a copy and paste... the teeth are exactly the same and the eyes have the pupils removed and that's it. And that's without talking about the paraglider still having the hyrule logo on it (Craftopia). And the Hollow Knight ripoff... You can obviously see that their way to dev a game is to ripoff as much as they can and then complete the game with what they can't ripoff...

Both the Cheshire Cat and the Cat Bus from Totoro look closer to Grintale, and these morons use the MEOWTH to claim it's a rip off. Literally just reaching for excuses to be mad.

no one is white knighting nintendo. people are just angry because the pals look like stolen assets and for a game like that to be successful sets a bad precedent for what games consumers will buy

tech geeks 10 years ago : "truck drivers and cashiers should learn how to code. their jobs will be automated and they need to get with the times" tech geeks today : "AI is automating our jobs. we need to stand against it and make sure it doesnt become a standard"

How come I keep seeing people mention “white knighting” but haven’t actually seen anyone doing it? Sure, people are being critical of PalWorld, but that doesn’t automatically mean they are also defending Nintendo. The lack of nuance among this PalWorld discourse is embarrassing.

@@SpaghettiBrainX bad precendent because you want every game concept or every style of character or even every shape of character to be closed source 🤣🤣. Why not make everything open source so I could create whatever the fuck I want and be succesful without 10.000 designers.

@@IronMikeyT just making shit up lmao, the complaints have been from artists not from "tech geeks", if you weren't living under a rock you'd know how much of a topic AI art has been for the past year or two

cry about it

It was marketed as pokemon with guns 2-3 years before release, saw it on Tik Tok everywhere. They specifically campaigned it across Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, etc. They knew what they were doing, but 11/10 game

The founder even mentioned 'because americans like guns' in a JPTV interview

@@weeb_french_turkish_hater Someone: Makes a perfectly ordinary comment This mf: CrY AbOuT iT HurR Dee hURr 🤓

@@HappilyMundanelol.

It’s different because you can raid people and capture humans, then force those humans to do forced labor along with your Pals. I don’t think you force your dinos to work in Ark, nor can you use one as a flamethrower nor as ammunition for a rocket launcher. It’s not an ARK clone, it’s a game with a different take on many different genres, some I’d say were improved.

based comment !! plagiarism doesn't have to be 1-to-1 & people wanna shit on nintendo fans so they will let valid criticism of palword slide.

Yeah what do they think the Tauros are hanging out at a ranch for? They're not being milked..

Bros were legit eating slowpoke tails they def eat Pokemon

There's a massive list of Pokémon that are/were hunted as food, in all forms of its media. Corphish is even noted as *not* being hunted for its meaty claws due to it tasting horrible. Even in the first season of the show, Ash and Brock were considering eating a Magikarp (complete with imagining how it would look served). Misty, meanwhile? Only cared as much to say those were nothing but scale and bones.

The people who complain about being able to eat a fictional creature then eat real creatures in real life are the ones that irk me the most.

Slowpoke tail and Pokemon Curry. Need I say more?

THIS, I hate that when I say I hate palworld people immediately think I love pokemon, I don’t like both.Pokemon cause they’ve been the same since the 90’s. And palworld cause the ceo is super into OpenAi and NFT’s and I don’t want to support that.

This I hate pokemon and palworld. The devs whole business model is just ripping off other peoples hard work and ideas including Hollowknight aka their game Never Grave and Overdungeon aka Slay the spire. I don't want to support that I want to support games that actually try to be different from each other.

Absolutely I do not understand why people act like those two things are mutually exclusive

@@brainlesscactus3184 Because they can't take critics of their new favourite game which ironically turns them into the fanboys they make fun of but just for Palworld instead of Pokémon.

if your taste of games is dependent on what the ceo of a company follows then what game can you even play in the modern market that arent like small indies and one man run studios?@@mortal_talos1196

That sucks

@@lesterantenor1026 why does that suck?? if it makes work for developers easier then who tf cares

@@lesterantenor1026 So you say, on a piece of tech created exclusively to make communication easier. Checkmate xD

​​@@lesterantenor1026you want more crunch? you want game with inflated budget?you want more game with 10 year development? you should embrace future from now

@@omegafyzentra1779 IKR, with their high profits they can now hire more 'REAL WORKERS' to continue development. 3 games come to mind that has this situation, lethal Company, Battle Bit, and Palworld. All games took hours from me compared to other AAA games I've played.

Although I agree with you, the game doesn't really threaten Pokémon status at all. Yeah it is really fun, I've sunked 30 hours into it already and yeah it is pretty popular right now, selling like crazy. But comparing it to the giant Pokémon franchise and Nintendo is seems like a stretch to me. I doubt it will lead to any improvements to gameplay, because the games will still sell. It's sad that the only innovative Pokémon game we got was PLA with all of it's flaws

They spend 6.7 million dollar on budget

@@y_samu and? that's kids play compared to some movie budgets or games. Didn't Spiderman 2 have like 300 millions budget? that's like 500% increase.

Uhh, you're factually incorrect about them 'only complaining now', there was a lot of that on the first trailer

@@caiman6555 They've sold 6 million copies in 4 days, the newest Pokémon game sold 24 million and it's been out for over a year. Will it overtake Pokémon? Probably not, but it's absolutely a competitor at this point.

Nintendo, Game Freak, and TPC itself?

Creatures inc. Marketing and some stuff more. ​@@chantolove

@@chantolove Creatures Inc. is the third one, they handle the Trading Card Game, various Merch, and the 3d Models for the Pokemon

@@chantolove the third company is called creatures.

No one cares

W

Black and White was Peak, everything after that was downhill. Can’t wait until the Unova remakes.

tf even is this game bruh lol

​@@highdefinition450slavery the game

mah pikka

@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaamaking it so u can give Pokémon guns and beat the shit out of your mons is tho

you don't deserve your username. Blasphemy. I don't claim you@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa

@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa You miss the point. Good job. This is a new and much different experience and while not polished visually it has great systems and gameplay. Hence the great performance financially. Also being a survival game isn't innovative, but it's different from the stagnation Gamefreak and others have tried. It's good they'll have some competition. I haven't played a Pokemon game in years for good reason. This is a blast.

@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaaThere are just additions to over which is literally just the bare minimum. When people say they want changes they main changes to the formula that’s been milked for newly 30 years now. A good example to me would be the Yakuza games changing their combat system from free flow combat to a semi-turn based combat system.

@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa okay, but the most interesting of those mechanics was mega evolution, and everything following that has essentially been a shitty recreation of something that was universally thought to be decent. besides from my experience at least palworld doesn't run like a slideshow and actually has polish.

Also the amount of times we've seen ambitious games that take a ton of inspiration and features from a bunch of other titles and generas, biting off way more than they could chew and flopping... Palworld combined Breath of Wild & Pokemon visuals and gameplay, with Arc survival mechanics & factorio-esc harvesting/bases, eldenring like open worlds and combat... but with guns... and they've absolutely pulled it off. That is a god damn feat right there.

Combat its like dark souls lmao 😂 Its close to skyrim but you modded it with a dedicated roll button 😂

Plus (though I haven’t played it myself YET) it’s fun…and for the most part that SHOULD be the number one goal of a game, idc if it’s similar to other things or has taken inspiration from something or even copied it. If it’s fun it’s fun

Yeah this game runs better then every other AAA game that came out in 2023

There is an entire debate in Philosophy that all creative works are derivative once you start to look deep enough. Because actively or not everything you see influences your decisions, so even if you don't mean to it's basically impossible not to take at the very least some minor inspiration from the things you've seen.

What they gonna do tho? Same bs as rockstar with another company for having a R in the logo despite not being the same logo? lmao

The lawsuit itself doesn't matter to Nintendo. They just want to completely financially ruin all competition with legal fees before they get a chance to compete.

no worries, if they are succesful, by 2077 we might get a tiny version of pokemon that resembles this

Nintendo copyright struck the pokemon modpack for palworld and whoever released it a bit after it was released lol

@@jadtokoh so they’re watching closely alright. Just not taking down the game itself I guess

Yes, but noone can do their own research other than us apparently.

Probably happened after the recording did

ok

That's just how Lud operates some days lol

I agree, there's acceptable clickbait, and then there's this: literally lying

@@theunovanative7640 *Mogul Mail

Speak up 🗣️🗣️😭😭 bro ✊

to be fair, each of those people probably posted 100 tweets each, so that's 10k tweets

wrong : 100 people posting non-sense and their bots liking and spamming the same comments to make it look a huge deal. i dont care about this game, my computer prob cannot handle it, but i will buy it just to pissoff twitter weirdos.

idk if you're going at lud.. if so you're so fucking wrong, you're either living under a rock or just want to be annoying... every freaking twitch chat i've been to of a streamer playing the game... every freaking comment under someone mentioning the game... and not only that, look at the engagement on some of the posts LUD SHOWED IN THE VIDEO... 10k likes, millions of views... lud has spoken against overblown "drama" before, this isn't one of them

@@____trazluz____9804Imagine you actually start liking it lmao

There are some clowns on KZfaq as well buying into it as well. Someone had several videos about how much fun they were having, and then suddenly took them all down, and put up a post about how he was "morally obligated" to not support this dev, because they'd used AI in their previous games, and it was scummy, and Palworld is a scam. Basically parroting all the outrage he, in his own words, did "cursory research" on.

Why are you against AI usage?

@@dennisonthachil Because companies will be willing to take advantage of consumer bases who do not care if a product is made by human or AI, as it is cheaper to use than to pay people. In time, many creatives may lose their jobs to it.

@@BleddynsStudio I think palworlds is a good game tho? So if AI was used that just means AI can be used to make good games. If AI makes fun games il play it, if humans make fun fin games il play it. Personally I'm all down for AI, if it means we get good games

​@@BleddynsStudiocrazy ive seen 3 irl ai ads be used on posters, like very big ads aswell

So you're an artist who's fine with the developers literally ripping assets from games and just changing 3 little things to use it for their games? You are aware that the developers have already copied Legend of Zelda BOTW and Silksong? Or how about the fact they made a whole game about generating AI images? "Artist" yeah for sure

lol true. There’s one group who will love anything that others hate, and there’s one group who will find anything to hate on for any reason. Then the reasonable people are all drowned out.

Fucking thank you! All of this just has me scratching my head like: who gives a shit? Play what you like and you find enjoyable.

There is hardly any actual "drama" anywhere anymore. Most of it is just nothing burgers made by nobodies that want attention and clout. For some reason people keep giving them the time of day to make them undeservedly relevant

It's the other way around. I'm not super into the game but nobody is playing palworld because of "counterculture" nonsense, people loved the game and then the hate followed. I've seen so many people playing it since launch and giving super high reviews of it-- and like any popular game, some people have to follow that up with dislike for views or w.e other senses they want to feed.

@@sere971 really wish it was obvious where the hate crawled out of, because so far literally every supposed reason the haters have to hate this game, ie that it's "stealing assets, using AI, etc" are false claims, the people who say they hate it because it promotes animal cruelty have literally never touched a game in their lives, including palworld, and the ones that say they hate it because it's not fun are insane and therefore all their opinions are invalid

Even if some designs are stolen its not blatant enough to care. Hopefully Pokemon can get back on the right track with some competition

As a Pokemon fan, I also don't care. As an artist, I care a LOT. Like a LOT a LOT because of the precedent it sets regarding original ideas and how companies are very critical at one point then not caring another. Being dismissive of it is just ridiculous, because if this were based on any smaller game then it'd be a bigger issue.

​@@abaddonarts1129nope. No stolen assets. Pokemon doesn't own humanoid animal creatures. Did you even watch the video you're commenting on?

Fuck Nintendo and fuck Gamefreak, but also fuck plagiarism. I'm perfectly fine with there being competitors to Pokemon, just like there need to be competitors for Smash-- but good competitors embrace the spirit of the original game(s) without just ripping designs. You *CAN* do both.

@@potatocripp what exactly was plagiarized? Did Valorant plagiarize CS GO? You are allowed to take ideas and tweak them, that's how creativity works!

The entire studio philosophy to me seems like, “we like these elements from these games and we think they would be cool together.” It’s kind of wholesome. Because I’d make games that way, I’m not going to reinvent the wheel. I’d take things I like and think would work together for a fun game. Being original is virtually impossible as most everything has been done.

Existing pokemon have also started to look like one another.

Look at Pokemon vs Dragon quest.

Exactly, and either way, they most certainly used Pokemon as reference, but that makes it inspired. It's crazy how a lot of people complaining on Twitter could be shut down with the word inspired yet when you say that they dig up everything in the companies past.

The comparisons are not just "oh yea that's a similar design". Some models look cut and pasted from Pokémon models. There are monster tamer games like Tem tem or coromon, that have unique designs that don't draw the same criticisms.

Except many of the eyes, body shape, mouth, tails, and hands are quite literally ripped from pokemon.

Gamefreak has never made a good game though. There are good Pokemon games, good Pokemon movies, Good t.v. episodes, good manga. But Gamefreak is not part of the "good" part of that ecosystem.

I've played a variety of gamefreak games, not just pokemon...and I wanted so badly for any of them to be good. They aren't.

@@haruhirogrimgar6047Pokemon black and white 1 & 2

Lmao, people will buy the games in record numbers no matter what. Have you seen how well the last two main games performed and played, vs how well they sold?

Hahahaha. Nobody will remember Palworld this time next year. It's a fad. Streamers will suck the life out of it. They already are.

if you wanna be 100% accurate pokemon "copied" tamagochi which became digimon so... anyhow, taking inspiration like this is super fine

See the thing is they’ve straight up used ripped models. There are three different Eevees in this game, there is a Serperior with Primarina’s hair on it, and they just straight up put Luxray and Lycanroc and Cinderace in recolored. I don’t think that it should be okay to steal assets.

@@HmmBearGrr I agree 100% They definitely did probably take some of the base assets and changed it slightly so its not 1 to 1. But I find it funny how some people instead of focusing on that are just like "well there are fictional creatures in this game, based off REAL animals?!! Clearly a rip off"

​@@HmmBearGrrpoor nintendo 😔😔😭 (womp womp)

​@@Puggylord316that's what annoys me so much lol... people who compare stuff that isn't even similar made it harder to actually compare the suspiciously 1 to 1 models

@@HmmBearGrr my suspicion is they asked ai to basically "copy the homework but change it a bit so the teacher doesn't know" xD. all the creatures i saw were straight up mixes of different pokemon, it really felt ai made. i do agree with people who say screw nintendo and that they deserve this for making shity pokemon games and refusing to evolve but the creatures are straight up stolen from pokemon, i'm honestly surprised that they got away with it legally.

On the "no game breaking bugs" thing, I remember reading a lot of reviews about having game breaking bugs, mostly involving save file corruption/deletion. I don't disagree with anything else, though, other than the "triple digit hours of content" point. That's a stretch, from what I've heard.

@@BobSmith-cg2ek yep, theres one huge game breaking bug that erases all your work and load but I havent encountered it yet so im happy atm playing

pokemon fanboys/girls always attack any new released/announced creature game, some less than others but even megami tensei had to take salt from it once or twice. Digimon fanbase isnt as toxic (from my experience) even called out when the game wasnt what as expected(digimon survive) a lot of fans liked that game, but wasnt what it was announced and digimon fans went and called them out on it, Sv wasnt only not was announced but was also unplayable on launch and yet you couldnt complain without trigging the fandom, tbh the deeper you go into the pokemon fandom more simillar to a cult it looks

as a Digimon Fan thats because (at least personally) I can understand, it's possible that there is more than one creature game that is good and further understand that competition drives innovation

cant use party tab because it puts an error message and crashes not to mention lag spikes and outright not working, while i like the game i completely disagree.

He's talking about the pokemon

furrets not real animals it is ferret@@S0ulEaTeR1012

everything can be the funniest shit youve heard if youre a fucking dumbass

Seeing nobody knows that the name of the ferret pokemon is Furret is one of the funniest things I've heard.

@@S0ulEaTeR1012 He said "pokemon didn't invent a god damn furret" which was about the real life animal; ferret. Edit, because I apparently need to say this: This comment was to clarify what the original comment meant. It was a slip up by Ludwig to say "furret" instead, if that was because of being bilingual or because of the pokemon messing him up DOES NOT MATTER. Is this all that important in the first place? No. But this ONE comment got way more controversial than it should be. It's easy to slip up, everyone does it. All I did was clarifying where the slip up happened.

GameFreak, take notes. THIS is how you make a good game.

AI was already a thing years ago, your last sentence does not make since. AI was not created in 2023 lol.

@@PandaFan2443Stuff like stable diffusion was, so ai making full models or well-made images wasn’t a possibility back then

​@@CaptainEffortai 3d models still aren't a thing, but using images as a base you could get decent results a few years ago already, and it's not like that couldn't have made more pals while developing the game, small game studio don't always completely separate pre production and development

​@@neolordiestop reaching so far in ur ass

But people found out they are literally tracing the meshes from Pokemon for like 90% of their characters.

​@@BushSageand?

@@chubbyanemone696 that's theft?

​@@AwesomestTed pokemon took a lof of inspiration from dragon quest.

@@BushSageno they didn’t lol

I've always thought it was beyond dumb that Nintendo limits their IPs to their platform considering how niche their platforms and IPs always are. Their whole ecosystem is designed around gaming on the go, which most people don't even do, and they have a pretty limited selection of titles for their platform, so it's mostly die hard fans of Pokemon, Mario, or Zelda that buy their consoles. They could have such a huge market share if they released proper modern Pokemon games across all platforms.

There have been indie Pokémon clones like Temtem and Cassette Beasts which copy the Pokémon formula even more closely though, and they didn’t do nearly as well as Palworld has done. I think it’s more the innovation Palworld brings to the table that’s attracting people.

@@RealEllenDeGeneres The Switch is the third best selling console of all time, behind only the PS2 and Nintendo DS, so it’s definitely more than just diehard fans of Nintendo franchises that’s buying the console.

Bad take. This didn’t gain popularity because Pokemon isn’t doing well, it’s popular because Pokemon IS still doing well and people want to see how something in the same space will compare, and because it does what it does uniquely well too. Pokemon is the most financially successful entertainment franchise on the planet. It is not a coincidence that there is plenty of interest and money to go toward a competent “competitor.”

@@RealEllenDeGeneres the switch is literally one of the highest selling consoles EVER lmao. plus, i highly doubt 720p 30fps games will be appealing to pc gamers, so i think its good nintendo games just stay in their own bubble with their own everything.

Its manufactured hype

completely inzane

Just waiting for a streamer to play it

@@Saint-hamudi theres a bunch of popular streamers playing it, i just dont watch streams. Its insane how this game is supposedly on par with the biggest launch in steam history, yet no real person i know has really heard of it or played it. But its still breaking all the steam records, very suspicious.

​@@cooltwittertag most people did not hear about it till it game out which was not even a week ago. idk how it is very suspicious thats like saying its very suspicious taylor swift was selling out every where because you have never met someone that has gone to her tour the same amount of people went to her shit as people that bought this game

To anyone who read all of this post, here’s a gold star.

I feel that and I'm also glad to see that there are Pokémon fans who aren't just blindly hating. I mean I'd probably prefer the same game coming from Pokémon since it would probably have less bugs and everything. But they won't and that's the whole point...

@@michaellamp4600 Yeah kinda went on a rant lmao. Ty for coming to my TED talk

@@ProAssassinII You might not prefer it, because if Pokemon made this shift then the people who like Pokemon gameplay are screwed over. It would lead to constant in fighting (Look at Paper Mario) where one side can only be happy if the other suffers. These things have pretty big consequences and why Mario Kart shows the value of spin offs being consistent, unlike the abandoned Pokemon spin offs.

I wouldn't say people are tired of the same game for 20 years, it's more they are tired of paying Triple A prices for the same game for 20 years. I like it when games stay true to the formula, but when they ask high prices for what is essentially the same thing only with new monsters, when they think you ought to dump $70 for a current gen title that's basically a reskin of a 10 year old game (that they are still asking $50 for) is where I draw the line. If the latest Pokemon games, especially ones that appear to use the same engine as games released 5-10 years ago, were only $20-30, then that would be far more reasonable. But who wants to pay $70 twice a year for a franchise that doesn't do anything ground-breakingly new until that latest open world thing? I bet the next pokemon game that comes out is gonna be just like the last one, and it's gonna be $70 if not more. Also, the fact that Pokemon is locked to Nintendo's consoles and that they refuse to join the PC crowd is a huge downside too. That's why games like TemTem exist, people want this sort of content on PC, and would happily pay $40 for TemTem rather than being forced to pay $70 for a Switch game.

Excusi? They are HUGE things on the manga for pokemon. If anything, Palworld is the purest expression of pokemon...

@@kyuokuo gonna be real with you, I don't give a fuck about the manga. I'm referring to the games only

The cheshire cat, exactly what I thought as well

@@dressy7466yes that’s who I’m thinking of thank you 😂

Which one? Disney version? American MgGee? Tim Burton version?

@@Labyrinth6000 the pink obviously reminds me of Disney but also with elements from the Tim Burton one

@@Labyrinth6000I thought American McGees version immediately tbh, but ig that shows my age 😭

Thinking that is a solely American problem is hilarious.

​@@tehClewno but mostly lol

@@tehClew Not only in america, but in america its not even considered a problem

American cancer? Je suis charlie.

its not consumerism, its tribalism. They've made the decision to be on the "this is not okay" side, and will double even triple down to show their "tribe" that they are big boy that is super serious. Its brain worms, its a worldwide thing also, japanese young adult markets send more death threats than any other country if google is correct.

I think if either of them had sold like palworld has, they would have gotten a lot more shit, to be fair.

@@v_jef_ That's my point. Right now, people only care about Palworld. If Palworld were not as big as it is now, people wouldn't give a damn like their other games. It's not about plagiarism or AI; it's not about right or wrong for them; it's just jealousy.

+2

I wonder if there is also a factor of it feeling like the game might not stay out for long, so best play it now before it gets shut down. But I do think they’ve struck a goldmine of a concept that people already love. I just hope it doesn’t get into trouble over the models themselves (I think the only thing that realistically could be sued for here)

its not only that you can also have to add quality to the formula , 70$ games are normally published unfinished and in a crappy state palworld even with their little bugs and fails is more stable , finished and fun than most of the triple a games released in the last 5 years or more

The fact that butchering pals is censored as a joke adds to their playfulness. Also the color scheme argument loses weight, when you see there’s regional differences to most of them from what I’ve seen. There’s like at least two version of each Pokémon that changes their colors completely.

They have traits like Sadist and Masochist lmfao, it's very clearly a parody and a damn fun one

​@@markvieyra9950some of those arguments are very strong design wise, but like Kingpaca and Hisuian Growlithe? People are going to throw their back out reaching so hard.

As much as I'm enjoying the game so far, I really wish they would've kept the game more fantasy. Should've limited the weapons to bows/swords/magical staffs, etc... and just have increasingly more powerful weapons via magic like Minecraft Dungeons. The gun aspect almost made me not even download the game because it looked corny, but I saw too many people hyping it up not to try.

ai bad

Only regulation AI needs is watermarking containing both info about model, dataset and possibly prompt if posted publicly. Anything else and it runs the risk of being restricted to overpriced licences rather than a useful tool everyone have access too. AI should otherwise be a non-issue as long as the results are only used to help making concepts and not tried to pass it off as something made by an actual artist.

And colors don’t worry

they don't but some of these models match 1:1, the odds that somehow they matched those by accident are non existent. doesn't pass the sniff test and the developers previous history don't do them any good

​@@rowgesage936just the last game Gf copied Godzilla and Kamen rider for 2 of their new mons, even if Palworld copied pokemon, there's no reason to take anything said about that topic serious, pokefanatics are well know to attack and try to compare any other game with creatures to pokemon as inferior, its just more salt, you can be sure once next digimon stories comes out, the same people will talk shit about it, just like they did with cyber sleuth, coromon, temtem and so many others. tldr: there's 0 reason to take any claim made by a pokemon player serious

I like the game but you can't deny the similarities😂 I haven't touched a pokemon game since diamond and pearl but I've only heard bad things about the newer games. I have played some Pixelmon recently and its honestly not bad😂

@@Semnome-gv5yg I believe the problem resides soley on "if they stole assets". If they didn't, yeah, there is no reason to listen to any """plagiarism concern""" on Twitter (like, fr, design-wise they're different enough to be considered eiher parody or inspiration). If they did, however, the problem does arise as those assets are under a license and you are prohibited from expoting them from the game they come from.

How is a game made with zero effort gonna teach gamefreak anything other than "look, we really DON'T have to put effort into our games"

@@justinw8916 just because palworld isn’t a polished game doesn’t mean it won’t make it harder for game freak (and therefore better for us). that’s how competition works, if game freak doesn’t evolve the game and palworld continues to grow and see success, the currently untouchable entity of pokemon might just bleed

@@justinw8916because Palword is so much more polished than the past few Pokémon games, and it’s not even fully released.

@@mr.floofles3100 I would LOVE for the guys at GF to see a development cycle that would make for more refined and polished games, I do. I get that palworld is fun, but what boggles my mind is where this support was for quality monster collecting titles like Yokai Watch, SMT, and Digimon? They been made unique, fun, and better games than Pokémon do!

@@mr.floofles3100Pokemon games so badly need polishing and refining, they are a mess. I just dont see the vision in elevating a game whose purpose is latching onto "Pokemon but with guns" or "Pokemon-killer #232" as their identity when the monster collecting genre already has an array of genuinely better games with artistic soul and effort. Not tryna be a doomer, but at the end of the day there are now 2 greedy and lazy companies making best-sellers.

because stealing assets is fine right? some pals are obv stolen from pokemon and it doesnt matter if you are a billion dollar company or indie stealing shit isnt good and this shit has literally nothing to do with "bootlicking" still the game is super fun tho enjoying it a lot while i can

​​​@@pimpdaddyffmbro... don't even try to lean anything towards defending Nintendo, you are defending the company equivalent of a Karen. You're defending the Karen of gaming companies. And they did nothing wrong. There's no solid proof here. Reworking and changing models is in no way stealing. Never heard of parody law, Jesus Christ. Hope those boots taste good

@@pimpdaddyffmyeah who gives a shit if money is stolen from a billion dollar company it’s not like they won’t make it back immediately in the next second💀

​@@pimpdaddyffmif you want to capitalise from a big company then full support for you

@@pimpdaddyffmOkay man just chill lol. The game isn’t going anywhere. It’s been in development for 3 years and they were public about it. If Pokémon could sue them for it, they would’ve stopped it in development. There’s no stolen models, just similarities. And besides only some of the pals being similar, the game is nothing like Pokémon at all besides that. It’s more similar to Ark or BOTW than Pokémon in any way

Yeah man, I don’t want to play ai generated content

@@fio6620 I do

@@fio6620I agree and I don’t like supporting ai art but I genuinely don’t think it’s using ai art. If they did the pals probably would look less like Pokémon

Thank you. You open minded

Their just trapped by nostalgia.

You know AI can't do original designs right?

@@lesterantenor1026 And? Everything is inspired by something, let it be art, music, games, and the like.

​@evanmccue736 ur missing the part where artists have their own style or something to add not just mashing up other peoples art without rhyme or reason

@@evanmccue736 inspired?? more like plagiarised

​@@siddhantthakur3261 Prove it, Nintendo will pay you top dollar to prove it so they can sue another competitor out of business instead making a better game themselves.

Thank you ❤️❤️ yeah these Pokémon fans and Community are crazy

Well they not even hold right to modify animals, most of gen 1 pokemons are just modfied crabs, dogs, eggs etc. like people need to stop whining