A short edited documentry about Hulme in Manchester. The housing sceme was a failure from start to finish. The estate was finaly demolished in the mid 1990's
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@fattypark5 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that the documentary just tells it like it is, no sugar coating, no idealism. Just facts and the truth.
@misskoutsofta12 жыл бұрын
I'm actually quite fascinated by the whole thing, i'm from manchester and I remember "old Hulme" as a child...how on earth these planners could actually think there idea would work still baffles me!! New Hulme is a vast improvement, however I am still drawn to old Hulme for some reason, I find it interesting and quite nostalgic...
@roberttaylor746211 ай бұрын
It was the architects that designed the crescents - states it in the narrative - and if you have ever dealt with architects they have a quite persuasive way and narratives also states that some issues were overlooked/became apparent later. These days there are crime prevention officers in every police force that look into the design of major developments because far more is known about what could go wrong. So the proposal is not entirely down to town planners!
@bens19722 жыл бұрын
Ironically, it would have been cheaper to have redeveloped all the Victorian houses that existed before and far more aesthetically pleasing.
@WeloveyouDave10 жыл бұрын
I lived here and maybe it was a combination of alot of different things, my youth, music scene, and plenty of naughtiness but I loved this place. We had the best time and we didn't care. X
@dsanalysis50135 жыл бұрын
Valium addiction the guy says. cant be that bad heh
@ottconsulting76 жыл бұрын
It was worse than it looks - druggies, alkies, mental cases - and that was just the students!
@classicartfoundation6395 жыл бұрын
That was just the under 5's!
@Genekellystand Жыл бұрын
Those were the architects
@None-zc5vg4 ай бұрын
Wilson and Womersley actually compared their "Crescents" to the ones in Bath. I had a copy of the slim brochure that they produced for a curiously-gullible City Council. Many of the City's housing-projects like this giant one were only "good" for a 20-year life (at best) before they became structurally- and socially uninhabitable.
@jazzyjane6114 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@chriz197611 жыл бұрын
Amazing piece of footage and history about Hulme. I used to visit the area as my Grandma used to live on 'Avenham Close.' I recall the crescents and the old 'Spinners' pub. My brother used to go to the 'Russell Club/Factory' club. Unfortunately, I never saw where that venue was located. However, I visit Hulme nearly every night as my girlfriend lives there. Whenever I am driving down there, I cannot help but think of my Gran and the many bands that played there too and of course the crescents.
@SK-hellogoodbye3 жыл бұрын
I lived in 2 different flats in Hulme, the now demolished Lupton Walk and later Epping Walk. There's nothing to be nostalgic about the Hulme of the late 80s/early 90s, too much crime, fear filled the air especially after dark. I felt sorry for my old neighbours, and now that I'm older I understand what an awful place it must have been to be old and alone in.
@SK-hellogoodbye Жыл бұрын
@Jerry Cornelius How good that you're replying some 2 years after post ! Good too that you have a fond memory of that place, I don't but we're all alone in this life and cherish what helps us in it.
@SK-hellogoodbye Жыл бұрын
@Jerry Cornelius Actually I had a few good nights there - between the sheets. But it wasn't love. In fact an enduring memory I have of living in Lupton Walk is listening to Eurythmics 'Miracle of love' over and over again, and looking onto Bonsall Street. One day the miracle did happen but not in Hulme, but just a mile or so away in the city centre. Still together.
@SK-hellogoodbye Жыл бұрын
@Jerry Cornelius We might have bumped into one another back then, started 'frequenting' Hulme in 88, moved to Lupton Walk in 89, Epping Walk 89 to 91. Sounds naff but Journey's 'Don't stop believin' is coming to mind now. I ain't rich but I have got love, it's all about what we really prioritise I think.
@dawnjones75773 жыл бұрын
I lived in Robert Adam Crescent until the age of 5. I'm so glad I don't have huge memories of living there. I do remember getting stuck in the lift because it broke down. A blue van was the local shop. I look back and what an absolute hole it really was. So glad they were pulled down.
@NOTODIVERSITY12311 ай бұрын
The blue van was called jack's van..parked outside the eagle pub
@fluffypolarcat11 жыл бұрын
My great aunt, Joanna used to live there in the 1970s. She was a little, old lady. Unfortunately, she got mugged more than once. Lads took her handbag right out of her hand and she was defenseless. My father tried his best to help her, by doing some shopping. I think the council made a huge mistake building those cresents.
@hotstitch17 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for this. My friendship group lived there and I will never forget the shock when first visiting as a teen frm a nice suburb. It was so futuristic at night. they had outdoor lifts with a wide recess in them "for coffins". A lot of the accommodation on crescents were three bedroom houses; given to single people on welfare. You got the rooms with no floor coverings; furniture or appliances. Council policy is to strip empty flats.They would struggle in one room in the cold. Flats given to single people, students, people under "Care in the Community". . People needing emergency accommodation. No tenants "well versed in running a household". You cant build a community like that. You need some people who will wash the car and maintain routines. Boring but it creates a sense of security. Same policy seen in "Pruitt Igo" documentary; same result.
@geoffedwards-tb4kp6 жыл бұрын
hotstitch1 bull rings, not crescents
@suzannefenby36353 жыл бұрын
Most of the houses knocked down for this weren't slums. A lot of houses left were worse than the houses knocked down. They were mansion houses but they became run down by landlords.
@AsboDolche14 жыл бұрын
i remember watching this in geography!! i love urban deprivation studies and its such a shame that these houses failed
@pauloldfield18306 жыл бұрын
I lived at 37 Robert Adam in the late 70s. loved it as a kid. One big adventure.
@naomiafia16 жыл бұрын
Hi, i grew up in hulme(John Nash crescent)from 1970-1979. The film brought back memories of my childhood. Thanks for posting.
@barryh.42204 жыл бұрын
I lived on there during those years too, great memories.
@slayerrocks24 жыл бұрын
I lived on Charles Barry for the same period.
@kellyedey85732 жыл бұрын
I too lived in John Nash, top floor.
@NOTODIVERSITY123 Жыл бұрын
320 Robert Adam crescent 👍
@imgoodatmoaning95613 ай бұрын
Same here for at least some of the time you were there. For all we know we might of even known each other.
@GriefTourist15 жыл бұрын
quite easy if the designers don't have to live there themselves.
@thelandlordsdaughter11 жыл бұрын
I live in an Edwardian terrace in Walworth, South London and many flats are owned by Southwark Council... Let me tell you that the appearance of the building has NOTHING to do with the problems that have been associated with Brutalism
@humanpower253314 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this. I read about the Hulme Crescents in "The Secret Lives of Buildings", it's interesting to actually see them. Apparently things get worse after this documentary, when they ban families from living there ...
@debraange14 жыл бұрын
i lived on freeman walk 1;16 i remember playing rounders hide and seek waiting for mr bibby at the back was martinscroft primary and in front the gamecock pub. we were the first family to have a payphone and colour tv I'm a script writer now and hulme was a great setting for many dramas ps hated the mice and bedbugs!!!
@classicartfoundation6395 жыл бұрын
Cool, I bet there was plenty inspiration from this hell house. I made a little film about sink estates, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qctyrdlkx7WpZas.html
@classicartfoundation6395 жыл бұрын
What scripts have you written?
@carlturner6625 Жыл бұрын
Hi my Nanna lived on Brindle Walk the Park on Epping Walk was right behind her Flat , her name was Alice Turner and my Uncle Stuart.
@DSherman508 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this.
@TheOnecanJAN7 жыл бұрын
i lived in one of them flats around 86/87 very depressing n i was too scared to go out after dark very grim
@nighttrain12367 жыл бұрын
I used to get driven past these flats in the 80's whenever my Dad would take me into town for shopping or to go to the library. Hulme had a threatening air about it and I used to shudder at the thought of anyone having to live there.
@jameshiggins17034 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me the name of the pub what was in the middle of them flats . Remember going there in the 80’s for a pint. Dodgy as fuck !
@slayerrocks24 жыл бұрын
@@jameshiggins1703 The Eagle? The White Horse was near the shops.
@happydillpickle3 жыл бұрын
@@jameshiggins1703 There was the Sir Henry Royce and the Gamecock... the Salutation (the Sally) was on the peripheries...
@jamesmahoney22648 жыл бұрын
I was born an brought up in Hulme robert adam an i had a great time an got good memorys im 41 now but maybe that era was better anyway.
@edwinamceachran8 жыл бұрын
+James Mahoney Hey James, I moved to Manchester about seven years ago and am really interested in the crescents and what people thought about them before they were demolished! What was your experience of living there? Why was it bad memories?
@jamesmahoney22648 жыл бұрын
+Edwina McEachran Hi my experience was i loved the place and people but i was born in 1974 and grew up a teenager there,there was clubs,pubs,blues to go to my memories was good although the developers got the design wrong with the flats and some of my friends from other areas of manchster said it was like a ghetto me being a teenager didnt see it that way as it had spirit,you live in new hulme?
@edwinamceachran8 жыл бұрын
What was the energy like? I imagine it was full of young people enjoying the rawness of it all. I live in whalley range, and walk past the site most days and always wonder what it was like. So many different opinions, the older generation seem to loathe the memory of it, younger people like yourself seem to have embraced it for what it was, and have much happier memories of it! Shame there seems to be hardly any pubs left in Hulme, all knocked down or empty!!
@jamesmahoney22648 жыл бұрын
+Edwina McEachran The energy was vibrant for me personally i seem to have so much to do,maybe because i was young and it had a community spirit,it wasnt a nice place to look at like hulme now but the hulme now dont have spirit like it did though it was run down,i live in salford now 10 years and when ever i go back to hulme it doesnt feel like hulme though its all new and done up and i do think people will have different views on the place maybe contrasting as thats probably what it was.
@jamesmahoney22648 жыл бұрын
+Edwina McEachran The energy was vibrant for me personally i seem to have so much to do,maybe because i was young and it had a community spirit,it wasnt a nice place to look at like hulme now but the hulme now dont have spirit like it did though it was run down,i live in salford now 10 years and when ever i go back to hulme it doesnt feel like hulme though its all new and done up and i do think people will have different views on the place maybe contrasting as thats probably what it was.
@followthetrawler Жыл бұрын
They destroyed a community, pulled it down again, and rebuilt it even worse. Our family lived on Hulton Street, knew every neighbour, everyone helped everyone else. They swept away the community spirit and moved everyone out to what was supposed to be nicer and more modern, but never thought of the consequences to people and community. These were slum areas, but they could have forced the property owners to improve their properties rather than pay them a boat load of money so they could pull them down. It wasnt the people that created the slums, it was the landlords and the council. Our family was moved out to Sale, to a nice new modern estate, most of those houses are now falling down...
@ottconsulting7 Жыл бұрын
I lived here as a student in 1980-81. What a dump. Grim as hell.
@justincarr81785 жыл бұрын
I used to to the Kitchen an after hours party every Wednesday,Friday and sometimes Saturdays on the top floor after we had been the Hacienda.The Jam M.Cs DJed there and they were ace.It was sketchy as fuck but I loved it.I didn't have to live their though.
@12volthighpeakvanlife.62 Жыл бұрын
They was nice inside , my Nan lived at Coverdale Crescent for many years until knocked down , went upstairs to bed , and a little veranda to sit at , they used to stand out talking all hours , Community back then . Rip Nan xx
@angeladeen61685 жыл бұрын
As the great gladys knight sang... Try to remember We look back and we think the winters we're warmer. The grass was greener. The skies were bluer! but we kids from the crescent.. Our smiles were bright. We didn't no any better. 😕
@giuseppe3974 жыл бұрын
I love Gladys knight. She is a true beauty.
@cabasse_music12 жыл бұрын
as an american, (even with the architectural dissimilarity) this really reminds me of what i've heard about places here like pruitt-igoe very interesting.
@thornbird67684 жыл бұрын
Absolutely the same , these high rise blocks are our version of the projects !!
@andyjefferson13083 жыл бұрын
@@thornbird6768. We usually call them "Concrete Jungles." But yeah! You're absolutely right. There like the Projects in America. But I'm guessing you've obviously got way more Gun crimes. I'm not saying we can't get hold of any in the UK, but its legal to own a Gun in America, with a permit. 🤷♂️
@test-tl8dt Жыл бұрын
there is ultimately no difference in european and american "projects" aside from cultural differences between countries. essentially merging 100 apartment buildings into one hyperdense zone is a concept doomed to fail. regular apartment buildings are usually bad enough, but anyone living in one of these projects is basically participating in a real time human experiment by governments at how cheap and dense can people be clumped together without the human rights organizations on your neck.
@bluebus27013 жыл бұрын
The council only had to look over the pennines at Quarry Hill, Leeds to see what a disaster the crescents were.
@jason71g12 жыл бұрын
i watched your vid and realised the bit thats missing is where they interview my mum in our old flat about the cockroach infestation it would be funny to see the whole version if you have it cheders
@stephenmartindale17397 жыл бұрын
Jason Glinka Im 48 and remember an interview with a lady cooking tea and saying the roaches would drop in the chip pan.yukkk
@charkay192 Жыл бұрын
I read about these in Barry Woodward book ,”once an addict”. The bull rings.. seeing it is exactly how he described If not, worse.. wow.
@shyannedianne196211 жыл бұрын
omg at the orange buses lol cockroach crescents,wouldn't mind but when they ripped these down they threw new buildings up without treating the land so I bet they've still got cockroaches,you had to turn the light on wait for the cockroaches to bugger off before you could go into that room,just going to the loo at night was great fun
@juliacameron80076 жыл бұрын
good for the nightly tap dancing
@suzannefenby36353 жыл бұрын
No cockroches in my apartment
@PDHulme6114 жыл бұрын
Hulme lives on !
@flybazman12 жыл бұрын
I worked there several times as a telephone engineer in the 70's. I saw the original designer sketches for it too which looked great in their pastel colours. As stated in the commentary they were designed to recreate the terraced houses but the decks created isolation. Went to a few 'blues' parties there which were always colourful! I saw them being demolished in the early 80's. I'll never forget the sight of black smoke billowing out of the glassless windows as the buildings collapsed and
@juliacameron80076 жыл бұрын
shabeen
@classicartfoundation6395 жыл бұрын
I made a music video about these type of places, hope you live somewhere better now kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qctyrdlkx7WpZas.html
@BIGSMOKE-bu6gq Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t the 80’s when it was demolished it was 1992
@matelot9515 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this on World In Action
@heathstjohn67753 жыл бұрын
Who helped to destroy the estates ? "Helped", not entirely to blame, but "Helped": many of the residents themselves.
@MrRlazarus8 жыл бұрын
HELL HOLE IT WAS OPEN BEFORE 1969 MY DAD ENDING HIS DAYS IN 1969 IN HULME BOG…………….
@atilllathehun1212 Жыл бұрын
In only slightly different circumstances I could have found myself living in Hulme, thank god that didn't happen..
@OoYesIKnowOoYesIKnow9 жыл бұрын
1:38 The architect's reason was their brief by their client !
@bendickinson62645 жыл бұрын
4:25-4:39 pretty much sums up why it failed!
@bollockowithalob11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading.
@JapanJohnny201212 жыл бұрын
That's a fair comment, but it's not always just about where you are, it's sometimes also about the trajectory you're on. I also had a mate who lived there... he was also a student at Madchester Uni and in a fairly successful band. I hope you're doing well now. Hulme does have a lot of character though, for sure.
@HALO-JONES3 жыл бұрын
This was a no go area if ya didn't live there
@melanie6260 Жыл бұрын
My sister actually lived in one of those when she was a student, took me ages to find where she lived
@leemaragh31912 жыл бұрын
ive watched this video a few times, now i feel like i should leave my own comment, i think the video details are a little bit far fetched i livd here , i lived in william kent 530, cant believe i still remember my door number, i do remember alot more most of it good, but hey i was only 7yrs old, but you never forget
@GriefTourist10 жыл бұрын
There is a book about the Yorkshire Ripper that quotes from this documentary. One of his victims lived [very briefly, in late 1977] at Lingbeck Crescent, although I don't know if that Crescent is on this. His other Manchester victim was also from Hulme [Greenham Avenue]
@js55333 жыл бұрын
Its true. Her body was found by Coronation St star Les Battersby on zn allottment opposite St Berbadettes Church, Princess Parkway. Her name was Jean McDonald a mother of two
@NOTODIVERSITY123 Жыл бұрын
Vera Millward lived on grenham AVE Hulme .that's where Peter suctliffe originally picked her up and drove to Saint Mary's royal infirmary..
@NOTODIVERSITY123 Жыл бұрын
Lingbeck crescentt was next to moss side precinct and Medlock court tower block
@blindpink4 жыл бұрын
"Viddy well little brother"
@RM-fs4dj6 ай бұрын
And now it's got nice council homes you'll struggle to find a British family living in one. Same for Moss Side.
@charliebramley7 ай бұрын
6:45 "There is no sense of ownership. No sense of property or belonging"
@karlmeadows4986Ай бұрын
Shocking place but I did like going to the eagle psv and kitchens
@timjohnson6897 жыл бұрын
Not too bad when you were actually in the flats, though. Shame about everything else when you stepped out...
@theninjawarrior478011 ай бұрын
I lived on 534 Charles Barry Cresent my dad sonny was caretaker their .recently passed away in march
@ep192911 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that, bet he had loads of stories to tell being a caretaker on the crescents.
@yaopasha15 жыл бұрын
charles barry ruled,hi tania!!
@redbeki3 жыл бұрын
Truly truly shocking ...
@patsk81275 жыл бұрын
Somehow fascinating however impossible to live area
@johnhutch56782 ай бұрын
Is this what was classed as the bull ring or was that mosside?
@stepehenhulbert65832 жыл бұрын
I remember it like yesterday it was ok till night fall
@marshrabbit75652 жыл бұрын
Why is the Govenment so loving?
@generalzod37532 ай бұрын
Ha I've spent alot of time in Bath can't see the resemblance 😅
@thornbird67684 жыл бұрын
13,000 people , wow !! Are these flats still standing ?
@rickhardman73763 жыл бұрын
no way
@kollusion12 жыл бұрын
Lifts? They never worked. Them decks were nice & smooth for skateboarding though!
@emmakin78714 жыл бұрын
Where was this documentary aired? What channel and what year please? Would like to reference it in my essay about high-density social housing, thanks!
@GT380man3 жыл бұрын
1978, World in Action. Google the Tv channel
@NOTODIVERSITY123 Жыл бұрын
You can't get it from itv someone bought the film rights and won't share the full program with anyone ...
@MrRlazarus9 жыл бұрын
HELL HOLE FOR OLD .MY DAD LASTED I YEAR .IN 1969……………………...
@MrAlwaysBlue8 жыл бұрын
+Reuben Lazarus It wasn't opened until 1972
@MrRlazarus8 жыл бұрын
JACKSON CRESENT WAS OPEN OPEN BEFORE 1968 WENT TO THE MOVIES IN JACKSON CRESENT UNIT 4.CINAMA MAM AND DAD LIVED IN NUMBER 15 JACKSON CRESENT ... AREA BECAME A BOG NOT LONG AFTER………
@jeffreylmAu3 жыл бұрын
As an ordinary peasant raised in public housings in Hong Kong I don't understand a single thing in this video...
@mrkallen15 жыл бұрын
It sure did, along with Hulme Library, The Zion Centre and the ascencion Church, i live at 114 Charles barry from 78 (a baby) to 87.
@slayerrocks24 жыл бұрын
Did you know Maureen and Moon from 108?
@mrkallen4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, She had a dog called Dillon. It used to terrorise me and my mates! Did she have a son called Mick?
@slayerrocks24 жыл бұрын
@@mrkallen no. No kids. Dillon was a one-off. lol He used to eat oranges, and his farts reeked. We were very good friends, and used to live upstairs on the 300 level.
@mrkallen4 жыл бұрын
Haha. My mates would call for me and Dillon would see them from across the balcony & would run after them, one of my mates actually jumped off the balcony to escape. Needless to say, it got to the point where no1 would come and knock on for me to play out.
@slayerrocks24 жыл бұрын
@@mrkallen I think he was winding you up. I never felt threatened by him. He was top dog though, I think he knew how to flex. lol
@STEVEFINNERTY14 жыл бұрын
safe as houses...!. I was there, top night
@francesheaney52539 жыл бұрын
I used to live in them cresdents b4 i moved to ardwick rudcroft close
@juliacameron80076 жыл бұрын
gradwell walk was better than ardwick
@geoffedwards-tb4kp6 жыл бұрын
All this Hulme crescents shit,they were called the bull rings.Get it right.
@mellymel2453 жыл бұрын
Icie tagged Hulme to death.1983/90.🖍️
@NOTODIVERSITY123 Жыл бұрын
That's me...original icie👍
@carlturner6625 Жыл бұрын
@@NOTODIVERSITY123 Liam Duggan ?
@geoffedwards-tb4kp6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it was the first major building contract the councilor's could get a bung/back hander of the contractors for a while, nothing to do with mobilising working classes at all, Bath crescents my arse.Could tell at a glance it was a brutalist fake famous french architect (forget his name ha)corveir or something,nightmare made on the cheap but charged the earth for quick gain housing scam catastrophe.Thanks G.M.C.
@craignunnallypurcell5 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah... kit of parts - machine logic applied to cities. No sense of what cities are about.
@rangerjones55314 жыл бұрын
still a bunch of apt buildings that , from a picture, looks like Russia.
@falseprogress Жыл бұрын
Decay is also about the innate qualities of many people living in these places, which cannot be discussed in woke circles. Good distraction: 4:28
@purpleturkey17922 жыл бұрын
Awful, awful place .... Used to live there from 8 year old 1959 ... Shit hole on a good day. The outlook for the area is black ... 🤔 Mmmmm
@seanmcclearn95638 жыл бұрын
Etties party on John Nash crsnt was a top night £1 in £1 dumplings.and |Tania Marie!!!. (come with me ) Tune!!! back in the eighties. was an awful place...5 floors of boxes, but we worked with what we had.
@edwinamceachran8 жыл бұрын
+Sean McClearn Hey Sean, I'm interested in the crescents, and have been trying to find people who lived near or around the area before they were demolished! What were the club nights like? Did you live there or just went for parties?
@Paulwilliamsukmusic7 жыл бұрын
i lived there for most of my child hood
@swaldron55584 жыл бұрын
Every time I get a bus (86) from Chorlton ( where I live from 1965 to 2010) to Manchester town , the black youths come in from Hulmes , everyone frozen cos they started rioted, abusive, threatened at us for no reason, so it’s stopped when the whole crappy council flats demolitions order by Tory’s Micheal Heseltine. so nutters disappeared. Happy memories!
@scottflannigan30624 жыл бұрын
Heseltine order the Demolition ?
@misternorwood13 жыл бұрын
funny shit this...
@celtickshatriya43064 жыл бұрын
Even the cockroaches didnt want to live in the bull ring./remember as a kid watching a guy throw a dog over the balcony from the 4th floor,
@rickhardman73763 жыл бұрын
did it live?
@celtickshatriya43063 жыл бұрын
@@rickhardman7376 no it was 5 floors up.
@perky26hughes2 жыл бұрын
That's vile, hope that someone has since done similar to him.
@NOTODIVERSITY123 Жыл бұрын
It was a man called cha cha threw his dog off it survived and eventually cha cha was found dead in his flat on Charles Barry with his loyal dog that had eaten half his face away..true story .if you lived round there you would remember this???
@penelopeputtanesca7 ай бұрын
Hi I'm wondering if there's a contact I can get in touch with for using this footage in a short youtube documentary