I don’t think it was out of spite, I think it was more fear of what the repercussions were. I mean winter switch sides cuz he thought it was suicide to fight against humans.

​@@jackashmoreStill it was a nonsensical plothole thatcthey dudes With humans

Is that supposed to be the original first Caesar or an offspring Caesar?

​@@bauloprete3905Its not a plothole. They could still hate humans, gorilla Donkey clearly did not enjoy them at all, BUT, he must have though it was best than be anhiliated and choose the "lesser evil"

Caesar said it best, that Koba only saw the bad side of humans and not the good!! While Caesar saw both sides of humanity!!

Apes don't live as long as humans too so there's that

​@@thatoneantoid51Yeah but the average chimpanzee lifespan is 40 years. Caesar is 23 here

@@wildbard411223??? I thought he was like 40-50

​@wildbard4112 also another thing. We don't actually know if there lifespan is the same on the movie as it is in real life so they could be able to live longer, especially with them being smarter, fit and healthy, eating there own food instead of being fed rubbish in a zoo.

​@@joecasey7912 apes under zoo care tend to live longer though, sooo lmfao. Since they live in your typical american forest where in dawn they've been seen hunting deers, fish and all that, i'm guessing they only live off wildlife from the forest, and idk bout you but wildlife forest food with less healthy nutriens over zoo care full of vitamins and healthy stuff in general food that greatly extends lifespan, yea no shit to say the apes in the planet of the apes franchise live just like your typical wildlife chimp, to the max age of 40, so ceasar being 23 here makes him halfway and a few years into his life.

Yeah, I watched this movie and loved it. I just never understood why Koba loyalists would dare become subservient "Donkeys" to the very species Koba despised just to spite Caesar. Yeah, that's ironic.

@@vjenkins6815 it’s understandable. They sided with Koba because Humans gone= SAFTEY. But with Koba dead, the only way to now be SAFE from the one who killed their “leader”(Cesar) is by siding with humans so now NO Cesar = SAFETY….for now. It was never about ideals for those apes, it was about having an easier life.

​@@vjenkins6815 Caesar said it himself, they fear more what he'll do to them than the humans. They'd rather live and be a donkey, than risk the wrath that is Caesar's ooga booga stomp.

@officialcurtis That's the thing. Caesar didn't believe in apes killing apes. And he lived by his word UNTIL you brought violence to his doorstep. So, honestly, they were safer w. Caesar than they'd ever be with humans. If they minded territorial boundaries. But I guess they were of the philosophy, "he that is the enemy of my enemy is my friend." And that ultimately fcked them in the end. No pun intended.

@@vjenkins6815 I absolutely agree that is Caesar's main philosophy, however, I think those apes seeing him kill Koba anyway still made a bit of a mental mark hahaha

Exploding arrows

He was a scout messenger, couldn't risk him surviving the explosion and relay his message to others.

@@RoyalDog214yea but they could have just shot him with a rifle and then blew it up doesn’t really make sense tbh

​@@AlexStroud-mj9ym the whole movie doesnt make sense

True, I supposed try they tried to take out the messengers to prevent reinforcement which failed cause one got away.

And don’t get me started on why they needed a soldier with a crossbow in modern warfare when a sniper rifle with a silencer would’ve done the same thing taking out that ape…..

​@@killbot86silencers don't work in reality like they do on movies. In reality they don't do shit bassicly.

@@engineerenginering8633 I'm more talking about the practicality of a soldier using a crossbow while everyone (apes included) had automatic rifles.....Why bother with a crossbow when all you are gonna do is fire grenade launchers a second after the first ape was killed......

This CGI is as good as it gets

Yeah, he was like: **You will replace us eventually, that is the nature of the strongest**

Never made that connection. If think Caesar never made the connection that what made the apes smarter was what killed the humans until his conversation with the Coronel

Humans would have decimated them had he had absolute power. I mean the apes were already losing the war BADLY by this point and that was just against a rogue faction. They'd of been hunted to extinction had it been a united human effort.

Your missing the point. The human military didnt give 2 craps about the apes. It was the virus that was going to kill them all that was the problem. The colonel, out of fear of the large population at the main base, defected and went rogue to avoid such a mass infection scenario. Unfortunately he lost his mind after his daughter died and laid blame on the apes. The military realized after the virus was evolving that they had to find a cure or some way to prevent it. The last thing on their mind was war with the apes. Yes its true the entire military would have destroyed the apes with ease. But then what? Thats not going to stop the virus. They all will still die.

i always say that the events of these movies are not inevitable or even likely by any means; the rise of caesar was a black swan event and everything that follows is a series of collapsing dominoes of probability creating the perfect storm for this timeline to exist humans in most timelines are very very hard to kill and are quite indomitable most empires would sooner descend into bunkers and render the planet an irradiated ashen rock than give it up to another empire of humans, let alone nonhumans

Sucks that the colonel did in fact see they weren’t savages but still tried to kill Caesar as revenge for the human race

Turns out that the Colonial and his men were the savages.

@@joosuee.p The fact they weren't savages was what was dangerous.

There is no peaceful world between 2 intelligent races, only domination

@@joosuee.pit wasn’t so much as revenge but self preservation for the human race. He speaks much of this when he captured Caesar, explaining that his intentions was to exterminate the apes before they keep them as slaves from the virus. Him causing problems for Caesar was partly from the events of what Koba did, and surely didn’t want to meet the same fate. However his superiors didn’t like how he handled the virus when he would order the deaths of the infected, including his own son.

I actually didn't put that together until I read your comment...good catch...

there's a lot of pop culture reference in this movie, you can also catch on the sign of a base that Caesar snuck into that reads "The only good Kong, is a dead Kong" which is a pretty obvious reference to Starship Trooper's "The only good bug, is a dead bug"

@@dannyzero692 in the sewers scene there's the best one: "Apepocalypse Now", obvious reference to Francis Ford Coppola's movie "Apocalypse Now"

Gaaaaaaeeeeyyaa

How’s it a hard watch?

It makes you warm and fuzzy inside...what a stupid comment

@@eashanjoshi89it’s hard to watch this one specifically because Caesar dies in the end 😢

​@@mo8419may you rot in hell for giving out spoilers

I'm rooting for the good people on both sides, both human and simian.

​@@mrtadreamerThere is no peaceful world between 2 intelligent races, only domination

Did you not watch the movie?? Almost like the Humans reacting like humans do, led to us being cattle 😂😂

@lordfarquad7750 Yes, I watched all of them. But I was referring to Humans like Malcom and his family, and Simians like Caeser and Noa.

@@lordfarquad7750I mean the colonel points out how apes would soon become the more dominant species replacing humans due to the virus evolution, The humans in this movie are basically cornered animals

They show this in movies to make us weak like that, in reality you should never show mercy.

​@@growinglifeorganic940no. It was stupid. I felt nothing. This human was nobody. It should have been the coronel.

It reminded me of Steamboat Willie in Saving Ryan’s Privates.

Mercy belongs to God alone.

Preacher?

Kill the messenger, but it's still kinda dumb because there's no point to use a crossbow when you can use a rifle and make sure he won't survive after a shoot

Same, at one point I was thinking why it’s considered a war film instead of an escape from prison flick

yes

@@samct7015 Then we've taken in-group preference to it's extreme. Good luck with self-annihilation. I think it's stupid but whatever.

No lol any normal person would

For all the brutality on the colonel's part in this movie, only wide-eyed idealists would root for the ape side.

Hell no humans are evil TEAM APE

Nope

I agree. Kingdom was lacking imo. But then after giving it some thought, it is just setting up for the remaining two movies for this new trilogy. Rise was also underwhelming compared to Dawn and War; I am crossing my finger the next two are just as good as the last 2 of the last trilogy

It's over Anakin. I have the high ground

India - Pakistan Kargil war is an example

No mortars no mg positions . No support element .

Nah because war now is longer and you are not safe even behind the frontline nowadays

if you are humanized trash, yes. Another great hollywood propaganda flick. Animals = good and smart. Humans = bad

Haven’t watched many movies, eh? 😂

@@lucaschudleigh7193 What do you mean? I've watched heaps of movies 🍿.

​@kameliangauamo6328 There's hundreds of great movies that people love so your not wrong.

The new Planet of the Apes movie will never feel without Caesar and the incredible performance by Andy Serkis

Apes should be able to handle much higher draw weights than English longbows, which were effective against medieval plate armor, especially in mass volleys like we see in this clip.

Check out the bow on the back of the horseback ape at 1:55 . They're huge bows, and it would reason that the apes could handle MUCH higher draw weights than humans, and use much larger and heavier arrows than humans. The arrows were probably hitting with a force similar to that of a rifle round. Even if it did hit armour, it'd still hurt. And with the angle they were coming down on the humans, it looked like a lot were hitting upper torso/neck area, which isn't covered by the plate carriers. Also, movie magic, lol

It’s simple physics. An arrow that big and heavy, with the right velocity, can easily penetrate any helmet / shield. Think about it like a giant bullet.

Bruh, a small bullet 1/4 the size of the arrowhead can kill a human, the apes shoot arrows like a gun

Even ceramic armor isn't gonna be able to stop those ape arrows, they are the equivalent of a small spear being launched from bows by apes which are much stronger than humans.

Why lol

Agreed

you’re fighting against fucking apes, what strategy are you going to come up with lol. Strategy is based knowing/anticipating what other person is doing based on the knowledge we have learned on human decisions making and thought process. We don’t fucking know apes like we do with ourselves.

Most of the competent people are probably dead. All that's left are junior commanders, and some hoi4 players.

@@TheDRODORbecause we don’t attack the enemy like that! 🤦‍♂️ air strikes would be first because sending a large number of troops into the battlefield. Special Forces will probably be in first to coordinate attacks. And these “military” forces in this movie act like NEW soldiers fresh out of basic training 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Especially old kratos

FACTS, IT REMINDS ME OF KRATOS

Mada mada

Mexico win

I would say the most unrealistic thing is the talking apes....

​@@tonypine3434😂😂

if you are humanized trash, yes. Another great hollywood propaganda flick. Animals = good and smart. Humans = bad

Silent but deadly

stealth! But you're right, might aswell have just used a gun when they attack straight away

To be fair, I guess in a setting where there aren't many places left to make ammunition, using a weapon like crossbows/bows that have reusable ammunition would start to be more appealing

They could use napalm or just armored vehicles and apes wouldnt have any chance

@@dominicscreativefilms Materials for making arrows and crossbow bolts might be easer to come by as well.

Just the tactics are questionable at best

he died

Watch the 3 movies it will make sense i don't wanna spoil anything

Yeah, from the first human vs ape wars 5000 years ago to the countless ones in-between, and the last one in 2007. We sure have had some really bad luck with those damn dirty apes over the years.....

well yeah it uses human face cgi

@@1My3My9 I thought that was already obvious.

Virus wiped out mankind. Only a few survived while apes thrived.

No idea... I mean the soldiers in this clip also had assault rifles while the monkeys used bows and arrows. I guess in this universe we just suddenly became really, really incompetent.

@@Melior_Traiano like that’s the main thing holding me back from watching them if I can believe for a second we’d lose when we outnumber and outclass them in every way lol.

​@@leeeinfieldapes outnumber humans in the movie

In the first movie scientists trying to create a cure for dementia accidentally create the “Simian Flu”. It rapidly spreads giving apes increased intelligence and strength and kills 90% of humanity

Sadly its a plothole that was not properly explained

I think logically it's because they were afraid of retaliation from Ceaser and his supporters

Not really . Then we would just see a gunship killing everything

Almost forgot about that one

Yeah the believability of talking apes that wiped out the humans is also believable. It’s a movie.

*humans

🙏💜💜💜💜🙏

In a world where machine guns might be limited

The apes should be able to draw more weight with bows, also check out how huge their bows and arrows too.

War for the planet of the apes

There were hundreds of strong apes throwing spears at the same time from the high ground plus the humans really underestimated them

Zulu?

Considering apes are at least twice as strong as humans, it's possible that the spears they throw are twice as deadly

​@@funtecstudiovideos4102they lost 😂

​@@shoestring-budget08they can be 500 X as strong as an human but my m4a1 stronger 🗿

Dont watch them

God here we go