Agreed!

BMTH's last two albums are that loud, nothing too crazy

@@ruslanglazkov7919yeah but HLB aren't completely dogshit, mixing a band and getting them to sound good and loud is TOUGH.

i feel like we have to consider budget and accessibility though. more industry professionals for a more commercial band like BMTH vs. independent guitarist who's skill was grown & crafted in his own passion project... different level of respect for buster. alas, I say this as a massive fan of both bands@@ruslanglazkov7919

Thanks man! The challenge I'd say is balancing on the edge of it becoming too saturated for you to be able to hear what's going on. You want as much saturation / punch as you can get away with while still keeping some definition.

im a metal,hip hop, and edm producer. this music is far more closer to EDM than people realize. in fact many of the biggest edm artists make both edm and heavy music

@@teamskdm1 isn't the mosty popular phonk artist right now the guitarist of anaal nathrak? That sound very close, yes

I would spend more time dialing in the tone in the context of the full mix 😊

Thanks a lot man! Yeah, it's so nice for demos or even to layer in for effect in finished mixes 🤘

Wow, thanks a ton for all that insight man! I've noticed the phasing on the 12 dt guitars, that's why I changed to 13 but maybe 14 is even better! It's very strange though why there even is a phase problem there at all but it sure is very audible 😅 I will be sure to try everything you've suggested man!

@@MOMetalProductionsoh yea for sure. It’s a bug that they keep saying is a bug but I’m still convinced it is 😂 what’s really going on behind the scenes is that Shreddage is basically messing with the phase and borrowing round robins to fake polyphony

@@snesmocha Hey man, thanks a lot for all that information. I got a few noob questions (using Shreddage 3.5 version on Free Kontakt player btw, downloaded it recently): 1). What do you mean by 'directly pitch down via kontakts internal engine'? I can see a tune nob on the upper right part of the interface, but I don't get how that's supposed to act as the pitch shifter he is using in the video in the sense that it doesn't have a wet/dry knob. Does that mean I have to have 2 different instances of Shreddage and tune one of them down (kinda goes against your tips on saving some CPU usage). I even tried it while completely ignoring the CPU aspect and the -12 guitar's higher notes in the chords sound completely off, so I'm really confused about what to do in this case. The only fix I found was to take those note out and only leave the base notes. Is there a fix to this or something I'm missing out? 2). I can't figure out what neck mode is in V3.5. I can't see it anywhere. Do you by any chance know what it corresponds to on V3.5? 3). Same thing for release noise, I can see in the advanced tab a section called release behavior, but I can't find the 2 sets of min max knobs that you mentioned within it. 4). When you say "manually set the specified sample for palm mutes to a specified palm mute strength", what do you mean by 'specified sample' ?

@@Girei93my god my comment got deleted. So sorry. Would it be possible to talk somewhere else cause this would be easier to describe if I have images to describe it. So sorry for getting back so late

For a regular metal mix... it's better than A LOT of metal mixes. I have to say though... for HLB, it loses out because so much of what makes them and their sister Vildhjarta stand out is how many unique guitar noises they work in. The performances themselves are pretty abnormal. The guitar is often treated less as a melodic or harmonic instrument, and that comes with certain touches in the playing... lots of varied and sonically complex percussive embellishments from the guitars. Everything is bending around, all sorts of tactile things going on. Lots of swing feel, too. The guitars like to hang late or come in early, dig in and drop back. Arguably it is a composition style that forgets about melody and harmony as driving forces for sonic narrative, instead using the dynamics in the rhythms, with the idosyncracies in the guitar playing functioning like key notes in some sort of rhythmic mode. Everything about how it is written and how it's meant to sound, is baked into the playing on like... a microsecond level lol. How you play this stuff is crucial. Same as Nirvana. There's a constant reel of subtle but intentionally placed slop to it all. This music is all about groove. The tempo is fluctuating, and notes are played highly inconsistently from one another. There are riffs where each individual note is played in a different way. A lot of actual players try to copy it, and none of them ever quite get there. The 'liberal' guitar performances are what give what is otherwise a pretty dynamically tight, closely-timed sound that rawnewss that makes it come alive, even though the mix is actually fairly dark. A lot of the sound is in the details of how every thing is played as opposed to the mix itself, and none of them are there in the 'fake' mix. It has a clearer sound, but it completely loses the feel and heaviness. Still cool to see how close he got. This band staked their sound not using their instruments the normal way, and because of that it's harder to fully reproduce than a more traditional-sounding band using more common approaches. I think it's something a little tougher to replicate digitally, as nothing about it is "on grid." Every second is trying to deviate from the last. You almost need some sort of more specialized automation... lotta hours into getting something that produces sounds that closely mimic those heard in these performances. Or you spend a very long time shaping it second by second, like a ship in a bottle.

@@differentbutsimilar7893 ☝🤓 this is how your comment reads, but i agree with a lot of what you said lol

@@jebasu032 Well, if I cared about that, I'd try to hide it more. Big fan of the band, so I can ramble a bit. Been a guitarist for 20 years, so I over-analyze. Mix the two, you get paragraphs. If people think I'm a dork for that, I tend to just think "They don't know or care what I see, so I don't care to know what they think about it."

@@differentbutsimilar7893 completely understandable, being passionate about something is a good thing! Don't let me stop you

Thanks for the kind words man. I agree with everything you said, a well played guitar always sounds better than the MIDI counterpart.

Thank you! Drum mixing video is coming 😊

@@MOMetalProductions very cool 👍

your drum mix is based on cubase stock plugins

Not really, I don't think I am using a single stock Cubase plugin on the drums actually 😅

Not as of yet, but the drum mix is broken down in my drum mixing masterclass 🙂

For the cleans I'd say it's just a low gain clean amp with tons of shimmery reverb

I'm pretty sure that I'm boosting the volume some out of the EQ before the amp. If you boost volume before the amp you have a lot more subtle control over how much the tone is saturated than if using only the gain know IMO. Try to add a volume boost before the amp and see what you get. Also the Dr Drive pedal and Gojira pedal before the amp are very important to the tone.

There is a dial for the string noise in the plugin I believe. So just turn that down 😄 You can also do a high cut at around 7-8khz before the amp to remove some noise from the DI

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Thank you! 😊

Thank you! What kind of issues are you having?

@@MOMetalProductions first of all - IR match between pair of distorted guitars and bass. Second - low end solution of the mix.

Hey man! I am just automating the dry/wet knob on the Gojira pedal for that effect 😊

@@MOMetalProductions I tried this but didnt figure it out how to connect automating to the hydra, it's only says something about midi learning and nothing else

if you're looking for real time streaming for clients i'd check out landr sessions! free streaming options are available theyre just capped at 15 minutes but you can refresh the room and reset the 15 mins easily!

For this kind of video I am using reastream (free plugin) for the DAW audio, and OBS for screen and mic recording. When working with clients remotely LANDR sessions only works well on Mac (or maybe only Logic) in my experience. So I have been using Audiomovers Listento and Zoom for screen sharing / mic.

@@MOMetalProductions Thank you so muuuuch!, that info is enough for me. Keep the good job.

Try finger but hole

Thank you! I think a lot of the plugins can be replaced with stock ones for sure!

@@MOMetalProductions Could I write to you in the instagram chat? Just a few questions, please.

Which part of the mix are you referring to? 😊

Thanks man! I am using the Downtuned IR pack from Bogren Digital, I believe the one named "Klusterfock"

@@MOMetalProductions Thanks for the reply man ! Keep up with your great content 💯

I'm not sure how I did it here anymore, but putting a high cut before the amp and filtering out clicky stuff is a good technique!

Pitch bending in the DAW. It's bending the pitch of the DI so it's before the amp which is very important. If you're using the built in amp of Hydra it won't sound good I imagine.

@@MOMetalProductions how easy is it to automate in cubase? Bends in logic are a nightmare

@@user-fw9gp8wg7f in Cubase I'd say it's very easy

Is it a CPU issue? There is a low CPU version of Hydra that you could try. It's called 'Lite' I believe 🙂

@@MOMetalProductions I think the problem will be with the small capacity of the ram. My comp runs with 6gb of ram. I think you need to deal with a computer with 16-32 GB of RAM.

​@@viktorviktor2543 might be. I have an overkill 64 gb RAM 😅

@@MOMetalProductions 😮🤔

Thanks man! I'm not sure. But it always sounds better with a real guitarist that is playing well on a good sounding guitar. For the super low stuff MIDI sounds good bit for certain articulations like scrapes and higher notes it's still lacking IMO

In what way would you say mine sounds better? IMO I'm missing some pick attack and vibrato on mine, that's hard to recreate with MIDI, so in my opinion Busters mix still has the clear edge 😄 But thank you for the amazing compliment!

you have not hearing so

@@MOMetalProductions to me it sounds almost fuller and maybe even a little cleaner than Buster’s. And this is coming from someone who idolizes Buster as a producer

yours sound wider and feels like all the instruments are in their respective places. But I'm just listening through my laptop speakers. @@MOMetalProductions

Nothing, it's just for checking the spectrum if needed when referencing 🙂

@@MOMetalProductions thanks for the Intel! ;) nice job by the way.

Seems you found my drum tutorial 😊

I have the Flatline clipper from Submission Audio on the master bus so yes, SERIOUS clipping indeed 😄

I have not used Odin so I cannot say 🙂

@@MOMetalProductions would you say there's any techniques or guitar noises that hydra can't replicate?

@mrityu_ Oh yeah, for sure, tons of techniques. It's never going to sound as real as a real guitar. It does the low note metal stuff fairly well because of all the distortion and lack of definition for the low notes.

I have both and I can assure you that Odin is much better in terms of realism.

@@Alkatribe damn fr? just seems like hydra has a lot of features and shit that odin might not have