I love this because I can totally see this happening when facing extinction.

Especially when Canadians are involved :)

@@ruthgar9753as an American I 100% agree.

Canadians: ....wait, you do that at the start?

gevena convention? more like geneva suggestion

It's "Good men follow rules, And today is not the day to find out why they have so many"

@@pedobear8863 I think you need to rewatch the scene then because he's explicitly saying that he's not a "Good man" and pissing him off is not a good idea.

@@ericlanglois3782 really? Which episode was it then. I only remember him talking to a woman

@@pedobear8863 Episode name is "A Good Man Goes to War", it's near the end of the conflict that he says that quote.

You gotta admit, the man had a point. Good people do not need to follow a check-list to be good, they just need to be themself. I have ONE rule: When i make a promise i do my best to keep it. I do not often make a promise... I remember i once shut up a stubbern female friend by simply giving my word that she would not have her way. This is why to always keep your word, but almost never give it. Trust

As a means to achieve rule 2 modern military doctrine for the last century has been to never enter a fair fight, ensure numerical superiority - preferably by at least a factor of 5, 10 or more if possible. Ensure technological and information superiority, ensure dominance in one branch of combat before moving on to the others. In planetary combat that means we establish complete naval dominance in a region before we move on to air and only then, once the battle clearly is won already, will we mop up on the ground. There is no reason why a similar doctrine wouldn't be in place for any future space based conflict, we will just add a couple more places of dominance to achieve before mopping up. Conquer a world? Establish a cordon to blockade vessels going to or from the world, establish far orbital followed by near orbital dominance, utilize orbital bombardment to reduce strong areas of resistance to glass, establish aerospace dominace, confine ocean going vessels to ports and sink any vessel that defies that order from orbit, establish complete inter-atmosphere air dominance and instruct the enemy to surrender, failure to do so leads to mopping up.

Rule 0: don’t fuck with our boats. We like our boats.

@@nanomage Modern military doctrine? You mayhappen need to pick up a copy of Sun Tzu The Art of War, the ‘doctrine’ is as old as war itself.

@@forgivemenot1 Well, besides the fact that air dominance hasn't been a factor but for a little over a century the combat doctrine during the 13th to the 17th century was one of predominantly attempting fair fights. Sometimes whole detatchments were held in reserve in order for the opposition to have a greater opportunity of victory that day. If your side had the vastly larger army such victories were offered as a consolation price, the war was all but won after all, let them slaughter a few hundred of our men to feel better about it. One has to remember that the flag officers and kings of the day held the value of the line troops lives in even less regard that politicians of today do. There are examples in aftermaths of 14th century warfare of officers executing even minorly wounded soldiers of their own sides to "tidy up the numbers". Furthermore, capitulation was often not offered until well after at least a few bloody clashes and sacks of townships had happened, one had to give the soldiery a chance at the pillaging and raping after all. I do however agree that the numerical superiority doctrine was well established before this time, even before the days of Sun Tzu. If you go back far enough naval technology wasn't a factor either and warfare was simply a land based one of encircling a city state and either starving them out or demand a glorious battle at a nearby field. Battle in those days was almost ritualistic, surprise assaults was seen as unsportsmanlike and could very well count against your supposed win in the eyes of the neighboring nations and city-states. Even though warfare were bloody affairs back then too they were also cleaner somehow.

@@forgivemenot1 to be fair, modern military doctrine is a culmination of all what our our species has learned since the first caveman struck his neighbor with a rock. It is one thing that I found funny. When you read of a great general, they are actually well educated and have read everything written about every war ever recorded.

Si vis pacem para bellum. Some roman dude.

We don't try very hard to avoid war. In fact, we have a nasty tendency to select violence as a first, second, and third choice over other options. In case you haven't been paying attention in History class, or bother to watch international news, there have been about 6 months TOTAL of peace in the world since 1900. 6 months. That's it - and I'm only talking about declared wars and de facto wars, not guerrilla actions and similar domestic fights. And no, we're not very good at it. Until literally the last 20 years, we seldom hit what we aimed at. Even today, 99% of all small arms rounds don't hit a single thing. We resort to area weapons because we suck at anything more accurate. We don't have good battlefield intelligence and situational awareness - the current Information War era where C4I actually is useable is unique in human history, and still is hugely incomplete. I suggest you read some actual Military History and understand that humans are really dumb when it comes to strategy, prediction, and countering and opponent's actions. For every Canae, there are dozens of Teutoburg Forests. A clear-eyed view of humans is that we are fundamentally a violent race that choses blunt methods over precise ones because we want results over limiting damage.

@@eriktrimble8784 Patronizing much? I am a retired Naval Intelligence Officer. I am extremely well read in military and other history and not just as it relates to naval matters. Those with a general tendency to choose violence are either mentally deficient and know no better, predators who would impose their will on those weaker than themselves, or are unlikely to have have their own life on the line.

@@eriktrimble8784Think about this, the assignation of archduke happened on june 28, a month later july 28 war was declared. During that time monarchs and diplomats raced around sending notes trying to prevent war. It was the rejection of the AH ultimatum and russia backing of serbia that started the war to end all wars.

@@HarryWHill-GAYes, that's right. Since ancient times, War wasn't something to look upon favorably. It's a waste of resources, risky and violent. It leaves marks on a society that can last thousands of years. Even today, countries don't benefit from wars as much as people would think. Sure, the military industrial complex can profit while a war lasts, but after the war is done things crash pretty hard if decisive and well thought out action isn't taken. And humans to begin with are social beings. We benefit the most from understanding and cooperation. It is our instinct to pursue those things. We only seek destruction and mayhem when either necessary, or when dumb leaders make us go for that option. And those leaders hardly ever last long.

There's a line in Deep Space Nine that a Ferengi named Quark says. "Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."

Many do.

Nor acquiescence with peace.

​@@jean-louislalonde6070 and that's the problem

@@jean-louislalonde6070 Many more confuse weakness with kindness

Very well spoken (in this case written)

"Peace is not sought, it is enforced"

Peace through power

Not fragile like a flower, fragile like a bomb.

@@goddessmelanisia "Fragile like a flower, Volatile like a nuke."

and some of us don't understand/do escalation, we don't go step by step, "you step on my foot, I stomp yours" instead some of us do this "you step on my foot, I cover you in burning thermite"

@@oldnotweak i get the point, but thermite isn't very easily applicable. Just a headshot at point blank range is so much easier, even a 100y old granny can do it.

@@AwoudeX Since they're point blank range, anyway, since they're on my foot. Yep. You have a blink to realize the mistake, back off, and apologize, or the gloves come off.

Savage

Dude they got offered peace and still they choose freedom.

That sounds cool, like it's something said about Leonidas.@@wenstonbenitez1826

Old habits die hard. "Hey, I don't like that thing." "How you gonna get rid of it?" "Just throw a nuke at it." "Fair enough."

@@wenstonbenitez1826This is particularly fun in light of Helldivers 2 success. They offer Freedom and a nice hot cup of Liber-tea.

“Shoot it til it stops twitching!”

Machiavelli, "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared."

more of guidelines in these cases

@@bevans4712 More of a philosophy, really.

@@goldengryphon More of optional morals, in these circumstances.

@@RealThermite more a checklist of immoral but effective tactics

They are called Human rights for a reason

In the tv show Leverage there’s a similar quote: “I don’t like guns. Doesn’t mean I can’t use them”

Quigley. "I said I have no use for handguns, not that I didn't know how to use them."

@@geraldfrost4710 YUP.

Statements to that general effect were made in a couple of Audi Murphy movies, too.

Steven Seagal had a similar line in "The Glimmer Man", "It's not that I can't fight. I'm not supposed to. It's against my religion."

Mostly. The most dangerous word to overlook in any description. "They mostly come out at night. Mostly."

Indeed we test our war doctrine among ourselves and the best one became adopted for more than a thousand. We are doing the same thing, we perfect ourselves in war until one day we are tired of war that is when we reach space, instead we pursue peace and prosperity but we never forget our bloody chapter of our origin.

As chuckles has once said... "Geneva Conventions, more like Geneva Suggestions"

I have happily met both the actor who said that, and the actor who's char comments on it. Jeffrey Combs and the late Gary Graham.

The thing is, it's not even necessarily will to fight that scares everyone there - it’s just how quickly humanity spread through the relay network after discovering it. Like, humanity opened something like a hundred and fifty relays before first contact. The next most curious/expansionist species opened something like sixty. And that’s not even getting into how rapidly humanity picks up and develops technology compared to everyone else

There is a fanfiction of Garrus instructing some Turians about humans and their capabilities. About how the earth has every ecosystem known, jungles, deserts, tundra, oceans, woodlands, plains and how humans have adapted to survive them all. How Turians look at humans as "squishy" but fail to realize that "squishiness", that fat and muscle means that they can outlast other races without rations because a humans body will eat itself to keep going. How humans look soft, but their muscle is no joke, their clawless digits will find purchase in the most unlikely places and bring a level of strength to bear that is astounding (imagine grabbing a Turian mandible and breaking it) Worst of all, humans take spite to a whole nother level. Screw retreat, screw surrender. They will accept death as long as they can inflict mass casualties and pain on their enemies. Humans were prey that harnessed their fear to become the apex predator on their planet.

@@joshuachapman2065 reminds of zaheed explaining how to remove à krogan carapace with a knife.

@@joshuachapman2065 >,> that wouldnt happen to be the one where hes talking to turians about sleeping with shepard would it? cause he wips that description out before getting more.... detailed lol.

When humanity arrived on the scene of Mass Effect, the Galactic Council of the time predicted it would require the entire galactic armada + uplifting the Yahg to put us down. We were a *Rachni level threat* and we had only just barely become FTL when we made first contact in that setting. Imagine an alternative timeline where humanity had gone undiscovered for another decade?

Not to mention "Hold my beer and watch this!"

Don't forget ‘Promised Land’ and ‘Remember what the Amalekites have done to us, says our Holy Bible!’

It's never a war crime the first time, The Fat Electrician.

Geneva checklist - Canada and Poland

"It would be so funny if both WW2 and WW3 got kicked into action because of someone screwing with Hawaii-" -Another line from habitual linecrosser

Yeah. Simple Rules. Humans have a lot of rules for different things. They tend to be simple. We're a simple people.

Humanity, F**k Yeah!

HFY a whole genre focused on us human deathworlders.

Except there's no reason to presume it's realistic. In fact, it runs counter to how humans have generally behaved (both in diplomacy and warfare) for the past 3000 years...

that's a very opposite of reality, a childish fairy tale

Or 'appropriate'

It wasn;t the dismissive remarks that caused humanity to sigh and engage, it was the laughing afterward. Diplomatically we know dismissive lines are spoken, but the true thought of the opposition was revealed with their following emotion based responce.

Alien: "Your ship was in the wrong place." Human: "So was your fleet, station, planet..."

We do know our place. you're the one that's confused.

Why am I suddenly visualizing a chubby electron guy doing air quotes?

Canadian here : I understand and agree.

Thanks 😊

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AI Trash

Its an app update issue. I had to update.

Miners not minors lol

Spoken like a weakling who has never had power in its life. Unlike you, I CAN take and dominate. I don't because having the ability to do a thing doesn't give me a right to, and I don't care to dominate anything. Don't confuse the rest of us as being as pathetic and malicious as you. What you would do with power(evidenced in your own indictment of humanity as a whole, which amounts to a confession on your part) is not what actual dangerous men do with it, and that's part of why you're so weak.

Give us a single project, or an overwhelming enemy and watch us band together to Do The Thing. Granted, we have numerous ideas and will form a thousand groups to study the problem from all angles. Humans are great for the attitude of "I can beat on him because he's my brother. You aren't even family. You ain't allowed to beat on my brother. Period."

Glad you enjoyed it

The fact that we *have* rules for war is kinda weird. It's like you can have a group of people, after the war, tell you that you cheated and did Bad Things. You killed the Other Side too efficiently, or were too mean. And that's right. We do have to stand with the rest of the planet and kill each other politely and with fewer Bad Things, because we can all make the Big Bad Things and no one wants them used on their own people. Imagine if we had Outsiders who weren't part of the Home Team. No rules for fighting them. We can be as creative and destructive as we want to be. We're a VERY creative, destructive species.

@@goldengryphon i think rules of war are neccessary for organized warfare, and thus evolves naturally as technology and capabilities improve

This

If we're writing our own fantasy about future aliens, a MarySue works as well as anything. If you want a little more realism, there are a bunch of books out there. Most recent good one, imo, is Out of The Dark by David Weber. Of course, Humanity gets saved by vampires there, so ....

Never start the fight but always finish it. Make the other guy start the fight.

Cassualy slids the BFG 1.000.000 under the spacecraft.