wol: ysayle controlled a primal by summoning it through herself. she suffered greatly for it ryne: fucking poggers dude let's do it

WoL: "Ysayle summoned Shiva through her and suffered greatly for if" Ryne: "Don't worry, I can take it" *Eden's Verse: Refulgence Unlocked*

Ryne: Don’t worry, I can handle it. My WoL: “screaming inside his head that this is a bad idea but unable to say anything due to the lack of a dialog box”

Sends a shiva down my spine.

That "again and again and again and again" line really hit different during progging

Ryne complaining that every time she tried to turn the light on, Thancred would scold her, saying she was wasting electricity.

Ryne: I can totally handle this! Also Ryne: *Nearly unleashes the Flood Of Light TWICE in a five minute time frame* WoL: Okay listen I'm not saying Emet-Selch was right...

I love how Ryne!Shiva draping herself in Hraesvelgr is a lot like Ran’jit. It makes sense given that’s her only point of reference for dragons in the First.

As a blue mage that tried to get the shiva spell by running original Shiva synced with other blue mages I can confirm that our souls did indeed long for oblivion.

Gotta give props to Ysayle, even if she didn’t summon Shiva properly she managed to ingratiate herself to the concept strongly enough to become part of her.

Everyone's looking back on Answers in light of recent events but this song's making a lot more sense now too.

"We're taught to fear the reaper" *Announcement of reaper class* WoL: *becomes reaper class* Shiva: *panic*

Ryne asks about Shiva, and you feel a small pang in your heart. Even with all that's happened, Ysayle's death still feels fresh; you've not had much time to think on it. Taking a moment to think, you finally say something-- the smallest thing they can say. "Ysayle summoned Shiva through her, and suffered greatly for it." Ryne is curious about the idea of summoning a Primal through someone, and volunteers to be the vessel for Shiva. Despite your misgivings, you allow it; you trust Ryne, and she'll only grow if you let her make her own choices. As part of the summoning ritual, you have to share your memories with Ryne. Closing your eyes, you try to focus on the cold, the neverending cold of her arena, -the warm smile of Ysayle sitting around a campsite in Dravania,- Shiva's blades of ice cutting to the quick, switching from bow to spear to sword in an unrelenting assault, -her tears as Hraesvelgr rejects her wholly, denying her feelings as a feeble prayer,- the sheets of ice raining down around you, -her tears twinkling through a murky sky as she gives all she has to save your life.- As Ryne channels Shiva through her, she begins to lose control. You can see it immediately, the Light, ever-cursed _Light,_ shining through her eyes. You steel yourself, ready your blade, and shove your feelings down into the pit in your stomach. You hope against hope that you won't have to watch another friend die, this time by your own hand.

“Go back I want to be Shiva” - Ryne, probably

I will never get over the song being called “Return to oblivion” it’s so perfect

I, uh...have an orchestrion roll collecting problem. Gotta buy 'em all. Spent the last of my savings on Return to Oblivion. -My WoL's excuse to being out of gil

I like how the lyrics with cleaner audio in the song refer more strongly to Ysayle and the distorted sounding lyrics resonate more with Ryne's insecurities, yet both sets can be interpreted with either character.

Hrasvelgr saving us from jail time by covering up the important parts of this primal-possessed 16yo

"The soul longs for oblivion" "A voice from the past screaming there is no end" "A slave to my fate, ever doomed to repeat this, Again and again and again and again" This lines have so much more meaning now.

"THE SOUL LONGS FOR OBLIVIOOOOON" ... looking at endwalker this phrase hits very differently now

When I first went through the dialog leading up to this fight I was saying this is a horrible idea. Once the fight happened and Ryne was possessed I let out a sigh and said to my wife, "whelp looks like we gotta smack the stupid out of her like we did her dad."

I thought the lyrics was referring to letting Shiva in and becoming part of yourself, but it can also refer to letting Hydaelyn in and letting Her control you. It's a great song for Ryne, who's always had to be Minfilia.

That moment when you watch a video for the song and you accidentally learn how to do E8S

Ryne: Don't worry WOL, I won't lose control WOL: (Thinks back to Urianger's aether lecture) Wait isn't Ice aether light aspected in the Fir- OH FU-! *TRIAL BEGINS*

That baseline has no business being THAT good

Thancred: You sure you can control it? Ryne: Yeah, don't worry about it. WOL: I've got a bad feeling about this.

Sorry Hildy, I got myself an orchestrion roll collecting problem...

Can someone please turn the light on for this lady! She keeps asking for it!

This song is so good, but the lyrics are so sad when you actually start thinking about their meaning. "Too lost to the ice for saving" - ever despaired in your own lack of power to change your fate so hard that you eventually don't feel anything anymore, like your heart is literally frozen over?

I have an orchestrion roll collecting problem. Gotta buy 'em all. Spent the last of my savings on Return to Oblivion.

How many people came here after seeing this orchestrion roll mentioned in the Hildibrand quest from 6.45 ?

I, uh...have an orchestrion roll collecting problem. Gotta buy 'em all. Spent the last of my savings on Return to Oblivion.

i find it interesting how this version of shiva looks almost exactly like ryne, while the previous shiva didn't look much like ysayle i suppose that's the difference between a being born of belief and faith and a being born of memories, one would have a more static appearance. also helps that ysayle literally believed herself to be the reincarnation of shiva, while ryne believes herself separate from her

FFXIV players: "We'll I didn't want to dance but here we fucking go again"

So that's what this sounds like without the sounds of light rampant chains breaking.

My favourite part is when I realized how accidentally meta this song is with "A slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this" or maybe they foresaw it, that said somehow I came to love this fight and song despite how much I heard it each week

I saw someone say, "What I expected from eShiva: Heavensward PTSD the fight." And then, "What I got: Ryne this was a terrible idea!" After seeing this I can't help but feel they gave us, "Heavensward PTSD, the fight" in Savage 0.o

Still think the Eden raids had some of the best music by FAR. They’re all just so damn good to listen to.

8:13 that timing when tower orbs pop is so well synced with the song

That "Again and Again" segment from Jocat's Tank video makes so much more sense now.

Just a friendly post to let the newer players know that "Oblivion" is the name of the second theme in Shiva's fights. This is for Shadowbringers. Please don't read down here if you haven't gotten that far. There are spoilers. I've learned that the hard way.

There’s one song my dad likes called “leave a light on for me” I guess I now know what happens if you dont

3, almost 4 years later and this song is STILL 4 million on the market board.

Hopefully we can hear this masterpiece again during Eden ultimate coming in Dawntrail :D

I expended a lot of guil in this orchestration roll, later I needed the guil to buy some mushroom at a inspector's request, a shame

Endwalker gives this and Oblivion so much more meaning.

Listening to this banger again because of the new Manderville quests

This is easily the best song from the Eden raids, I love it so much

The lyrics to this have a while different context after endwalker. Song of oblivion.

This song goes ridiculously hard, it really does. But I could do without my blood pressure rising to dangerous levels whenever I hear it.

Sorry Hildibrand, wasted all my gil on this banger 😎

Hands down, the best theme for any raid since Heavensward. This is combined also with one of the most visually satisfying and mechanically well designed savage fights they've ever designed as well. I don't know how they'll ever out do this.

"a voice from the past Screaming there is no end a slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this again and again and again and again" looks like WoL scream

This song is so hypeeeeeeeeeee during combat.

This fight is like a grand orchestra with a staggering number of notes. The harmony has to be preserved by proper timing, precise positions, orderly tempo, and as loud as you can get to pull through it. So, that by the end you can be satisfied by the part you have played. This is truly one of the most beautiful and challenging fights of the game.

Ryne: dad meet my boyfriend hraesvelgr Thancred: .... I'm not... Even gonna try to intimidate this one...

Still the best boss theme IMO. The most hyped part with only dance beats coincide perfectly with the most convoluted mechanics in the fight. A masterpiece.

Return to Oblivion is the epitome of FFXIV and their love of overlapping metaphorical layers into a song,,, I'm going absolutely feral at how intertwined with the past, current, and future (and even the future-past) this song is,,, so much depth so many perspectives so little time.

Soken how on earth are you so good at making music wtf

Never realized how much of a banger this was until now! I was too busy dying and begging for my life my first run. Ice mechs are forever my enemy.

Low key I love how much this fight is like a classic FF boss. Between the design and the size difference, I can easily see this being some kind of fight from the older 16 bit games.

Raiding for years I thought it was interesting they did a bold reimagineing of the core primals from ARR while different radically the fights felt familiar as if trying to remember something but can't quite get it right

Really diggin’ how well the music synchs with that transition cutscene. 10/10

I absolutely love this song! From the moment I first heard it, it captured my attention with its catchy melody and heartfelt lyrics. The way the artist blends different musical elements and the way the voice resonates through the verses and choruses is simply captivating. Each time I listen to it, it evokes a range of emotions, and I find myself singing along and getting lost in the music. It's one of those songs that I never get tired of and always brings a smile to my face. It truly holds a special place in my heart.

My WoL spent the last of her savings on this

Doin savage content be like " A slave to my fate ever doomed to repeat this. Again and again and again and again"

This song really hits harder now that I’ve finished Endwalker ....

timing the phase transition with the piano section was SO well done (it's helped that part of the song become my favorite part lmao, it's SUCH a good bit)

As someone who's still way back in Heavensward and has been extremely slow about bit by bit working my way up through the storyline, I'm just sitting here listening to random songs form the OST without looking at the video attached at all so as to not spoil myself and just.... absolutely nearly fainting from the sheer magnificence nearly knocking me out of my chair. As a guy who's been obsessed w/ JRPGs including FF itself throughout my life with the music being one of the most important elements of that enjoyment, this all just goes above and beyond to a level I never could've expected, ESPECIALLY from an MMO. And as the story where I'm at is finally heating up and getting really good, I keep hearing how better and better it gets in Shadowbringers... Yeah, it's time I caught up for real, in time for Endwalker.

I love this song so much, this and Suzaku's theme are my favourites!

I can't listen to this song or watch this fight without getting way too emotional. What a masterpiece

FF16: we have dominant FF14 we also have dominant at home *at home* a teenage girl turn into shiva

I would pay 50 bucks easily for a costume of her base form, SE please do it.

Amazing video dude. Love how you set up the lyrics.

Just realized those open vocals are a leitmotif for oblivion despite knowing this whole song is a reference to it

2:15 my favorite part

1:06 these vocals are insane. That's the most angelic sound I've ever heard

I can't help but feel like this fight is some big tease as to how Hydaelyn vs Zodiark went down. Maybe there was surprise interference by Midgardsormr to swing the fight in Hydaelyn's favor we never heard about in game.

This song sends me Yuki Kajiura vibes, like in .hack// series and Tsubasa reservoir chronicle

Songs so wild, a masterpiece for sure

I'm new to this game and i can't wait to get to this part in game to here this amazing theme when im fighting her

i always here " TO OPEN MY EYEEEES* this song and fight was beautiful

I love that a lot of the lyrics refer to a previous self, but its ambiguous as to whether that was Minfilla or Ysayle.

yeah I see why my WoL would go broke for this song

god knows how much I love this song

Vibing during the raid while trying to not absolutely wrecked by a flood of light

the peak of the FF14

that light pinging sound at 1:30 - 1:33 is such a nice addition. adds something pure to everything

Damn, I never really noticed how intense those background screams are in this OST!

"Never to be parted." Interesting foreshadowing there along with the rest of the big sin eaters.

Ryne's Shiva outfit should become a player outfit, even if its a mogstation exclusive, i'd buy it.,

E8N Thancred: Please go easy on her Me: okay Mean while in E8S Me: *POP EVERY POD YOU HAVE AND THROW EVERY THING YOU GOT!!! TAKE THAT B***H DOWN!!!!!*

What'll hit you is, at some point your opponent shifts from being Eden Shiva to being *Eden Hydaelyn* _and you don't notice when_

Shiva savage was the hardest time I've had raiding in this game. The fight is pretty difficult too.

Ryne in a commercial be like: "When ether gives you calcium!"

Ryne-It’ll be fiiiine Thancred-If you’re sure WoL-THIS IS NEVER FINE He’s such a terrible father 😫

I can't wait for the Ultimate rendition of this theme. Also, who's ready for Light Rampant Ultimate?

2:15 really hits because that's either at Worm's lament 1 or 2 lolz

this will forever be the BEST boss music this game ever slapped us with, period.

Okay but the transition to Ryne!Shiva phase 2 in E8N on week one was really something. The scalp tingles hearing this music for the first time were really something. Not like in a weird way but like damn this was good music and I wish I could experience this for the first time again.