Just want to clarify my position in the video, as a few people have misunderstood. I have no issue with GW releasing new models, or with Primaris. I understand that not all kits can be kept around forever. I love the game of 40K and I look forward to many more years of playing it. But quite simply put, as a consumer, I have lost my trust in GW. I just can't risk buying their products anymore.

GW could have helped themselves by honestly telling us at launch that this was the edition firstborn were being retired to legends... Classic GW mucked it up as always... 🤦

We really need to urge TOs to allow good alternative models in any tournament that GW isn't directly sponsoring. The best thing we can do to get GW to change their ways is to demonstrate to them we don't need them in order to play Warhammer, just as the D&D crowd showed WotC/Hasbro this spring that they didn't need WotC to play D&D.

I have thousands of dollars of models that are no longer legal for organized play. Getting flashbacks to when I built an awesome Renegades and Heretics army when they got super cool rules in 7th ed, and then they just deleted the whole army and didn't even create alternative/legends support for them. The fact that they still sell units that you can't play with at events is asinine.

Me: Gets back into the hobby after a 7 year absence when I hear about the new Guard. Codex lasts less than 3 months. Me (crying); It'S GoOd tO bE BaCk?!?!?!

Warhammer Fantasy said... HOLD MY BEER.

The older I get the more I realise i'm in an abusive relationship with Games Workshop. You never know when they're going to bitchslap you next.

It's like GW wants people to go over to 3D printing

I started playing GW games in the ‘80s, and stopped late in the ‘90s. I was there when the Fimir vanished, the Slann fell, and the Chaos Dwarves went extinct. I watched as the Squats, lock, stock, and two smoking barrels, fell victim to the void. I openly wept. I was also there, at the End of Times, when solid formations gave way to individual movement, and suddenly my dozen assembled armies, whose combined values were in the realms of 100,000 points, were obliged to find new footing. I raged. I was there, when the will of the Creator failed, and was corrupted by the almighty power of the DollarPound. I shouted into the void, to no avail. My vistas were reduced. I decided, then and there, that I would forsake all others, and return to my first venture. My final bastion. An abandoned path, long forgotten by the Creator, whose followers had kept alive, and taken for themselves. The Bowl of Blood. Here, I took my stand. I assembled every team. Every player, Star, or otherwise. And things were good, for a time. Then, the Creator saw how grand this forgotten realm had become, no thanks to them, and took it back into the fold. Once again, I watched, as all I had put together was, once again, ripped asunder. I swore on that day, that I would stop worshipping this false Idol. I denied them, that day, and have denied them ever since. No longer would they receive my adulation, or my tithes. I was drifting, helpless, in the void, for a time. I dabbled with the War of Kings, among others, but found no solace. In desperation, I took to a Flight of Fantasy, and devoted myself to their War in the Stars, but that, too, fell, to the Games of the Atomic Mass. Then, I discovered the Rules of One Page, and I was saved. I had let go of all my assembled forces, save for the Elves of the Woods, and the Kings of the Tomb, as I could not bear to part with them, for the blood, sweat, and tears I had put into assembling them. My forces saw new life thanks to OPR, and have been seen on many battlefields since. I have even begun assembly of a new force, my Robot Legions. I have control over how many troops I need to fill out a unit. I always have exactly what I need. No more, no less. And the quality of said troops easily equals, or exceeds, the quality of those by the Creator. The Rules of One Page have empowered me, as never before, and opened my eyes to new vistas. I have since become a devotee of the Four Against the Darkness, and those who are Five Parsecs from Home. I have returned from the void, stronger than ever…

2:00 The moment I learned about Primaris when 8th was coming out, I knew this day was coming. So I took my Space Marine collection of 25 years, 50+ Terminators, 50+ Scouts, dozens of Tactical, Devastator, and Assault Squads, Sternguard, Vanguard, Rhinos, Razorbacks, Land Raiders, Land Speeders, a whole slew of Dreadnoughts (including the regular, Ironclad, Venerable, etc), a shit ton of Rogue Trader Space Marines, and so on, and sold it all. Over the years I’d periodically feel bad about doing that and wondering if I jumped the gun but, I have to say, after the past few months, I’m feeling pretty good about that move. God only knows how hard a time I’d be having to sell, say, those 50+ Terminators now, with the new larger Terminators replacing them.

I started playing 40K with Rogue Trader, back in the late 80's and worked for them in the mid-late 90's, so you can imagine how many cool models I saw come and go. The last edition I had was 5th but I gave up after seeing the new larger Space Marine models and for me, the writing was on the wall, I knew the old models would be replaced and many of them would end up being unusable in future editions, that and the constant edition change every 4 years. It just got too much, so I sold everything. I currently collect and play Bolt Action, Flames of War/Team Yankee, Star Wars Legion, Armada + X-Wing V1. The big advantage of historical gaming, is that they can't 'remove' things from the game so easily. For example, a Tiger tank is a Tiger tank, no matter whether you have an old model or a new model, as long as it's a Tiger and in the right scale, it doesn't matter - you can't change actual history but you can change everything in a fictional setting and that's what GW do, all the time and I don't like it. The lesson is not to be a GW fanboy and buy into their products in a big way, limit what you get and perhaps just enjoy smaller games, so you don't throw too much money away everytime something changes. I'm contemplating getting a small Imp Guard army and playing a mix of 5th Ed, OPR and Combat Patrol or small current 40k battles. The aim being to relatively basic stuff like a few squads, some heavy weapons and a Leman Russ or 2. Hopefully that won;t be so painful in the long run.

Literally just finished painting my very first army last night (firstborn flesh tearers because Gabriel Seth doesn't like primaris) just to find out it's been nuked. Didn't even get a full game in with it. So sad that GW cocked things up so badly. Not really sure what to do now, really good way to screw people out of the hobby.

I like the community. Everything directly controlled by GW I hate.

This is how I felt about the guard changes for 9th. Removal of conscripts, veterans and special weapon squads made me lose about 140 troopers. Still haven’t recovered from that.

One thing I don't understand why the community puts the WYSIWYG rules on themselves, this wouldn't be an issue if 40k tournaments would be proxy friendly.

Bring on the Mordian Glory/Discourse Miniatures collaboration video discussing GW’s business strategy and lack of transparency with customers. Do it! 🙂

Wargames atlantic has a lovely totaly-not-guardsmen line in their "death fields". Generally 24 models for $35 usd. I just finished my totaly-not-kriegsmen last week

Honestly, this is why i started 3d printing. Got into the printer and all the accessories for less than a 1000 bucks cdn. Havent looked back since, i just printed out 3 basilisks over the last 2 days😂

I think the worst thing is that they are immediately being moved to legends. Could have waited at least an edition or 2 to move them to legends.

This is why I was apprehensive about the tyranid refresh and the other ones people have been clamouring for. If its not removing models it's reinventing the wheel to sell you another newer unit/model for the same roll. Just looking at the nid range we've got gaunts being made more expensive to shoehorn neurogaunts in and biovores being pushed aside for bargaunts.

I was close to buying some scout snipers because they are so clutch right now. I am glad I passed though. Seeing units in the index made me feel like they were safe for the next three years (until 11ed).

As upset as you are, I'm happy you're willing to vote with your money. My friends and I are always going on about how it will take a huge punch in the wallet to make GW become less unreasonable. I just hope eventually there's enough market pressure to make GW change its tune because I haven't found an actually true alternative to 40k and I hate it. I've even started working on my own custom ruleset since 10th edition's listbuilding is just so boring now.

So I just started getting into battletech and I'm blown away by the wide variety & support they show for God knows how many mechs. Even when they advance the time line they still make sure there's rules for the older mechs

Welcome to the club! I moved on to greener pastures and picked up battletech and bolt action. Both games combined cost less than a single GW faction and rules don't change every 3 months. Also no model was ever taken out of the game. Whatever you bought you can use for the rest of your life.

I'll be honest, this sort of thing is why I opted to build my new 40k army with the idea that if GW pulled any shenanigans or the new edition turned out trash, I'd just go play them in a model-agnostic game like OPR's Grimdark Future. I wasn't going to let GW trash my hobby investment again. Last time they did something like this to me I switched game companies for over a decade. This time I just came prepared with plan B, because I knew GW was like this and has a long history of it.

My group decide yesterday to use the firstborn for Badab War games. There is a great fan supplement based on the HH 2.0 rules.

Agreed. This is just a fun mess around thing for me. I can’t even justify buying codexes over and over. It’s insane

The only thing I''ll say is you don't need to play the latest edition if your group of friends are happy to play an older version. Also One Page Rules has you covered. They support all your models.

It's absolutely reprehensible that they did this a bit into the edition, after they'd already taken a chunk of models out, leaving people with the impression that these were safe. At this point the only right thing to do is retire the 'legends' system and keep making datasheets, even for models that are out of print. I'd also split Space Marines and Primaris into two different armies, I'm honestly sick of this inferior copy product, I want the real deal.

Im very aggravated particularly about the jumppack assault marines. I play a BA successor and those are absolutely a critical unit

I had started collecting firstborn a couple months ago to eventually make a firstborn army, I sure do wish GW would’ve given us a heads up or something

100% support you in this; I buy Lord of the Rings models from GW because they have had the same ruleset for over 20 years (slight updates and FAQs, but some of the models from 2002 are still winning tournaments with the same rules unchanged) and I know my investment is safe. But this is just wildly ridiculous. It's a massive change, and seemingly out of nowhere

My Rhino and tactical space marines that I bought in February when I started 40K are probably next on the chopping block.

Absolutely true. I got back into 40k at the end of 8th and got so tired of “primaris-ing” of Warhammer that i sold my guard army. GW is gradually “primaris-ing” most armies until you can’t play them in multiple styles and they have to be taken in one meta style in order to be competitive. Consequently these models sell at higher rates and the non “primaris-ed” models often sell at lower rates, thus gradually changing the whole faction from classic unit rosters into rosters which are largely derived from new warhammer lore which is often less grimdark, intricate and interesting. The setting is suffering as a result and I fear that GW is setting the table for the eventual culmination of the setting into some age of sigmar esque apocalyptic clash.

Ive stopped spending money with GW, 3d printing isnt my favorite thing in the world but its been a necessity for me to keep playing and modeling my 40k armies, there are so many creators out there that in my opinion make better looking models than GW and deserve to be supported

I knew this was coming from day 1. Makes me glad i moved progressively away from official. Luckily, i dont play competitive so i have more free reign. Both in models and in rule sets As for screwed over by changes... well, if i adhere to their ways... my Death guard are shelved until further notice. 7000pts and im not doing the math on it for the sake of my blood pressure. My orks and tyranids... a lot of units got fucked up badly. One example is my 10 model mega nobz. I now have to field them as a multiple of 3... so i have 4 very expensive paper weights (roughly $35 CAD a pc) or i field them under strength and screw myself over on the table. I have about 10000-12000 pts of orks and mulitple units are now fucked over like this. All my main armies need reworking that leaves models on the shelf that i paid for and laboured over to give them the best paintjob i could and now they gather dust. Unless i go elsewhere and use rules made by others. I actually havent played any real games of tenth and have been instead playing onepage rules with friends because i can still use pretty much all my stuff unimpeded by GW stupidity

It's perfectly acceptable to use todays prices. I remember the lower prices in the 90S, I also remember the lower salaries and I remembr the cost of living with tears in my eyes

I've been done with 40k for a while. The constant meta chasing - the frequent books that cause the power of armies to spike, and squating old minis just turned me off. I'm committed to Heresy at this point because A) I like the older minis and B) I can print what I need.

Imma have to argue on the "no company does this except geedubs" I had a *massive* Soviet Flames of War army that was pretty much wiped out when that company decided to redesign the game from the ground up. I kinna just gave it away because I needed space and hated looking at it for *years* after.

I get it. Honestly if the said around the very beginning of tenth that firstborn were going to legends so people would be aware not to buy them outside of just wanting the model, there wouldn’t have been as much flak as they are right now. But then again I’m a new player who isn’t as invested into firstborn both emotionally and financially so I could absolutely be wrong.

This is yet another reason why I’m glad I’ve divested from Warhammer. While I still love the setting and the aesthetic (yes, even Primaris) Mordian Glory is absolutely right that this does not happen with other companies. I’ve more recently gotten into Battletech and not only do they allow third party models or tokens, they encourage it! Now personally I think CGL’s new minis are top notch and affordable so I buy them. On top of that, the rules for Battletech have barely changed since the 80s. Units and rules from when the game first started are still viable now. That is a huge difference from the codex creep and edition exhaustion in Warhammer. I still like Warhammer, I bought Leviathan when it came out. However I’ve invested heavily now in Battletech and thanks to Mordian Glory I may even take a third look at Warlord Games. That’s all money GW could have had but now goes to a competitor.

Only reason i got any of the HH stuff was to do first born Marine army. Can't use half the vehicles now. Reason gw gives is there wouldn't be many around at this point in lore.

Games workshop seem to turning peoples armies from gaming pieces to display pieces really well.

here here.. good on you Glory.. it's been far to long for more big youtubers like yourself to say to GW, "No more"

Is this where we as a community take a step back and make a WH9.5, kinda like we did with D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder. If we want a fun balanced game, we need to stop letting the group with a financial incentive to make us buy certain models write the rules we all play by.

i know how you feel. Left when i saw that my newly finished only missing a tank Marine force was about to become obslete when Primaris rolled out with their 2 wounds.. Had to leave for another game as i could not bring myself to invest more to them except the odd special miniature to paint. Dropzone commander is what i turned to as a cheaper alterantive.

I'm salty that they changed the weapons on Thunderwolf Calvary from all their unique melees to heirloom weapons which are rubbish their only advantage is their speed and OC value now :(

They made me feel like this was the sendoff edition. Was not expecting to have things just for the indexes…

10th really screwed me too. I ran a wonderfully gun Terminus Est list with 100 Poxwalkers in 9th. Now, I can only take 60 max. I’m hoping when the DG codex releases in 2025, I’ll get some amended rules that make my space zombie hoard playable again.

I had a mess of Death Korps Engineers in my collection. They went from heroes to zeroes in one edition, and they're still up for sale on the FW website! Then I look at my Grenadiers, and my Leman Russ Annihilators, and my Medusas (plural!)... I feel your pain, MG.

The burn for me started in 8th edition. My Space Wolves had models invalidated when the 8th edition codex came out and while I was trying to continue with my Dark Angels and bought a bunch of Mechanicus at the time, I had lost all motivation for Warhammer 40k. During 9th I had a look at the rules for the Mechanicus and the army load-out was invalidated so I didn't bother getting back in. Because of some friends I got into Age of Sigmar which was in 3rd edition at the time and started making a lizardmen army, armybook came out, there goes half of my cavalry based lizardmen army..... I looked at 40k 10th edition rules and both my Space Wolves and Dark Angels are unusable mostly because I don't have any primaris HQ models for my Dark Angels and I am not even getting started on my Space Wolves. I am looking at getting back in to 40k, but I am seriously planning an army that I can use for both 7th (The last good edition of 40k in my opinion) and 10th edition. I don't want to do space marines at all any more, I just got burned too much with them.

100% with you. If it weren't enough that GW released a new edition within 7 months of two Codices for the previous edition (one of which was just 3 months prior), they moratorium a bunch of iconic Forge World models, and now do the same to several SPACE MARINE staple units? Bait and Switch is not a good marketing strategy. Incidentally, my group has yet to play a 10th edition game, and we're not planning to any time soon.

I've become fed up with them and now looking at other systems (OPR) as well as other mini manufacturers and there are countless who make very decent models for use with 40k, Necromunda, Fantasy or any system really. Its quite liberating mixing and matching figures from different ranges to create a truly unique looking army/squad/gang/kill team.

Time to give OPR some prime time !

The day before GW announced putting the Horus Heresy tanks and dreads into the legends bin... I bought (given their new plastic upgrade + GW promoting them as 40K compatible) 4 Deimos Pattern Rhinos, 2 Contemptor Dreadnoughts, 1 Land Raider Proteus, 1 Deimos Pattern Predator, 1 Sicaran Venator Tank Hunter and a Typhon Heavy Siege Tank. All to be split between my Death Guard and Thousand Sons. Luckily, I bought them because I like their aesthetic (HH models fits perfectly with CSM) and the rhinos, predator and hopefully the LR would still pass, but... although we still get people ringing that "you can still play them outside tournaments" bell... putting anything into legends WILL eventually kill it. Every purchase you make from GW, you have to ask yourself "will I still see value in this purchase when it inevitably goes legendary?"... if the answer is yes, go for it. If it's no, then maybe take a stand with Mordian as GW won't change while the cash still flows. I had my eye on grabbing some old school land speeders given their new 10th ED rules... not... any... more. EDIT - Forgot to mention my resin Leviathan with 2 storm cannons (bought separately) that I got from Forge World (££) a few years back for my Blood Angels. So glad I didn't have the funds to add more HH models to my BA!

Decisions like this made me very glad i went to the dark side of 3D printing. They don't wanna respect our money? Why should I respect their IP then. This is a two way street, and GW need to wake the hell up and realise that there are really good alternatives out there now. Hell, 3D prints look better than most GW sculpts nowadays, for a fraction of the price. Its insane. Add into that new and simpler sci fi systems like One Page Rules coming into their own of late to scratch that Warhammer itch along with entirely different systems altogether like Bolt Action or BattleTech and... Why do we need GW again? Utmost sympathies to everyone who lost money with this absurd, no warning retirement wave. Genuinely, I really am sorry about that. It sucks. Always know that your firstborn are welcome at any table I'm playing at!

All aboard the Bolt action train :) Not really a player more a painter. But you sold me on a the King Tiger ! Didnt realize it but seems i have a Panther + 40 Heer. So I am tempted to get to playing a war game for the first time in 7 years!! Many thanks from another Pissed 40k fan.

Just imagine my 3000 pt knights of blood jump assault army that's almost a decade old....

I play Blood Angels. I lost 40% of my army yesterday…that army is one I built SPECIFICALLY for 10th edition so far. That does not include the fact I can’t play any of my 25 Sanguinary Guard I can’t play because they are ridiculous in points cost. 10th edition has been rough as hell so far.

Obviously, models get left behind as editions move on. We know this as guard. However, its absolutely wild that they could essentially be wiping out whole firstborn armies for some players in one update. Not to mention, people literally just paid for data cards for these models in the new edition. I have a old dark angels army with land speeder, bikes, assault troops that I was thinking of fleshing out to a 1k points force. No chance of that now!!

I’m an OG have not got any Games workshop product in a decade. It’s just insane how they get away with robbery!

I mean Privateer Press nuked the vast majority of their SKU's moving from 3E to 4E on Warmachine. But also... this isn't the first time GW has blown up a product line. It is the first time Marines have been hit this bad though

I play Death Korps, so this feeling is not new to me. I have a shitload of old Forgeworld models (which as you know, do not come cheap), which are not usable. Stopped buying from GW after 9th edition and mainly focus on Flames of War and Battletech now (both of which have a better ruleset than 40k as well imho).

When I play at the shop, I'm thinking of bringing the OPR rules and asking if people want to play 40k or OPR. I'd rather play the game that is more fun and with the release of 10th edition, OPR might be more fun right now. I didn't lose any of my mini's to legends, but the playstyle of my army changed a lot from 9th-10th edition and I preferred the 9th playstyle. I think large edition changes like this are generally bad for players. Balance is especially messed up right now compared to 9th. 3 month later edit - I've been playing OPR instead of 40k and really enjoying it. I love the "i go you go", free rules, superior and free army building app, customization, flexibility on models, and fast games. I've found that people with fully 3D printed armies and older models especially are really enjoying OPR. I'll keep buying a few GW models and mostly 3D prints. Only getting GW models when I really feel they are worth it, right now just a few new seraphon models.

Those 3D resin printers are looking real nice now.

Sad to see more of the old kits disappearing. As a guard guy, I have to admit.... I shed a tear when the shift to the new sculpts occurred. PS - if anyone out there has some of the old guard plastics, let me know 😂

Hey Mordian Glory, i'm Feeling with you... I have an old forgeworld Heretics Army in the shelve, which got such dumb Legends Rules for a Chaos space marine detachment... There a some converted Guard Tanks for the bin... So i can decide to use Models for my CSM or to Play a Guard detachment as traitor Guard, but in each Case i loose the half of my mostly forgeworld-army...

I will respect your opinion. Been playing since 96. Ditched my Black Templar firstborn army right as 9th began. I knew in time that firstborn would be phased out when Primaris were introduced back in 8th. The writing was on the wall. I'm am honestly just surprised this hasn't happened earlier. As i type this, I have 42 Bikes, 20 Scout bikes, 6 Attack Bikes, 4 Land Speeders, 2 Typhoons and 1 Tempest. All the Land Speeders and Attack Bikes are new in box. These are all from 3rd Edition when I started my Ravenwood Army. I never bothered to finish it. My Black Templars had 3 Land Speeders and 1 Typhoon. I won't even regale you with the fact i still have 10 pewter scouts unpainted. Anyways, do the math on the above. Guess how angry I am... ZERO. I have almost 1500.00 usd by current prices. Ain't upset in the least. I KNEW IT WAS COMING. My only gripe is that they released 10th Ed rules for these units and index cards. That is the shitty part. But had they done this to close out 9th Ed by releasing a statement that these models were Legends bound then i think most people would have felt a lot better about it. But for me this isn't a loss anymore cause I've been shifting my Black Templars over to full Primaris since 9th began. Just me though.😮

But... Think of the value of all those hours spent putting together and painting those models, and now you get to do it all over again!!! 😆 Games Workshop delenda est.

I guess the real issue is almost the popularity of space marines working against them. Necron warriors got a new model, but they didn’t give the new ones without the Lego pieces on them better stats so you would throw out the old ones, that would just alienate the smaller xenos market. A lot of the new stuff would have worked a lot better as new model updates to old stuff. But then they wouldn’t have the ability to make the game worse and less fun to play for long time players, so they would shill out.

I'm still shocked they'd do the space marine fans like that, though i expected it in some form eventually. I was use to getting wrecked being an Ecclisarchal/Inquisitor type. Speaking of which, stuff I was interested in that got retired recently... all the Forgeworld inquisitor models. but then I felt more cheated by the sisters relaunch and i never got to play a game with my sisters. still have them all, don't want em, but they cost me unlike my fixation on the inquisition and ecclisarchy. The relaunch screwed me by shifting the focus to these mini-mech models and i didn't like the designs they went for, making me never want to update my sisters army from metal. Screw those. screw the oddities involving the exoricsts, and I'm still pissed about the rule changes that destroyed the repressor, which I went out of my way to pick up. I already gave up on playing GW games sometime ago, but it's scary when my TCG interests feel less wasted than this.

Hey M. I decided to check what money I lost with the latest GW discontinuating thing they have done. And well, after I crossed the thousand mark I just stopped. To be fair. A fair amount of this is kak I inherited from my brother when he stopped. And does not include, encase someone tries that trick. Any of the codexs, rule books or expansions in my collection. This was just miniatures and it's just the last straw for me. I'm going to play 40K still myself. But any more minis I'm getting, paints of whatever. I'm doing it through 3rd Party groups. Otherwise. I'm looking for fresh pastures to sink my time into. Speaking of which. Can I recommend you get the Alpha Strike Boxset of BattleTech? It really is great value for money. And the stuff you get in it. So useful if you decide to sink more cash into it. And the game rules & Mechanics. So easy to learn and master as well. Anyways. Take care and I'll stop by whenever. KTF Legies. Forget Nothing!

So I feel this in every way and in my discord I always seem to be the salty guy so I try not to voice my opinion to much anymore but this video to me proves my point and I see that I am not the only one that feels that way

Amen to that. I am starting a Black Powder Napoleonic army right now. Much cheaper and the models are great. And the history of that period really satiates my hunger for lore. I also discovered The Silver Bayonet so I will probably never return.

I'm with you, I'd had enough a while ago tbh! Now I'm focusing on getting together a few different IG armies using Wargames Atlantic minis. I pledged for 15 boxes of the Damned for a traitor guard army and with the extra free sprues I'm trying to decide whether to go for Les Grognards or the Bulldogs as a second army. I don't play in tournaments or GW stores so the fact they're not GW minis matters not, huzzah!

Hey Mordian, have you tried Victoria Miniatures? What do you think of them? I've been considering buying from them.

Happened to me when they started to axe support for the Bretonnians, Wood Elves and Beastmen from fantasy. My friend is pissed about his extensive Ravenwing, probably Deathwing too as they'll need upscaling.

GW isn't the only one who does this, mtg and most collectable card games run in cycles to manage the number of interactions, malifaux, warmachine and infinity have all had some or all of their range removed. I think historicals are a bit of a different fish, obviously a ww2 infantryman isn't going to get invalidated, it's based on a historical event, scale creep is the only real killer of historical ranges. Not really justifying it cos its annoying but as soon as 8th was released it was clear that at some point first born would cease to exist.

Gw already said that when it comes to re basing your mini's that you don't have to do that, it's up to you

I have said many times that they should have released a codex supplement called "Astartes Nihilus" which are chapters caught on the wrong side of the Great Rift and forced to use older wargear, older geneseed and such. They can take 25% of their points from the modern Space Marines codex, but otherwise most of their gear is firstborn stuff.

Mordian, I feel the same way about a 8500 point 5th edition blood angels army that I played and collected for seven years. Same with my daemonhunters army that I updated for ninth edition and which now is unplayable. For blood angels I am collecting a bit to play Horus heresy, so they are salvageable. I suppose my point is you could play older editions of 40K. I have branched into Battletech which is also very fun, does not retire units, and has a lower price point. Have fun and thanks for the channel.

i feel this. literally my entire dark angels successors was already unplayable and now several units i know i want to run, like my vindicator laser destroyer, are kicked to legends. i want a leviathan. and a spartan tank. all kicked to legends. so not only do i have entirely replace the dark angels force to make it playable. i have more reason to sculpt my own tyranids.

I am right with you. Playing 40k while the indexes are hot but as soon as the codexes start dropping the indexes won't be able to keep up, if they stay around at all. I have a decent Space Wolves collection which is going to go the same way and that just feels bad. Heading over to Infinity for all the reasons you stated.

I feel the same way. My Ravenwing is removed and I guess all my bikes count as RWBlackknights with the plasmas. But my 9 speeders, those are useless now. No one in my area plays anything but competitive.

Good for you man - it's not cool when something like this happens

Good on you Mordian! If GW's gonna be abusive with their business practices, vote with your pocketbook. Everyone should be doing that. They won't change unless they see their bottom line get hurt.

I am an Artillery Officer in the Marine Corps. I love artillery, I love the Marine Corps. I like putting my identity into my "army". I liked Space Marines because well I am a Marine. I put 3 Thunderfire Cannons in my army (I know no one used them but I loved them because it was the closest thing to a howitzer I could get for the Space Marines). I made a quazi artillery battery using tactical Marines and the Thunderfire cannon to resemble the units I have been with in my thus far 10 year Marine Corps career (a artillery battery). I also use the Scouts as my observers. So two of my favorite units are being schwacked from the codex. Im a little disappointed to say the least....

I get it ,I have BattleTech models I bought in the mid to late 80’s that I can still use today, I also have been playing Warhammer since 1995 and understand your frustration

Lol me when I got 2 gorgon transports, 5 light centaur artillery vehicles, 70 grenadiers and some other stuff then 8th edition forgeworld codex drops and they're all legends. And I bought all that in previous 6 months

I'm not even mad that they're getting rid of the Firstborn. We all knew it was coming. But I am super pissed that they have straight up lied about it for a while now. And the utter nonsense gaslighting article about "just use them as other stuff!" Which tried to convince us that it wasn't a big deal. Horrendous way of dealing with it. It would be 1000% better if they just were honest and said they were going to reduce the line. Just be freaking honest about it!!!

This is one of the reasons I like the Space Nam range. On a 40k table you can tell they are Catachan but if you run them as models for other games like Five Parsecs from home they aren't festooned with 40k clutter breaking immersion. So you've got a multi system collection that isn't dependent on GW's whims. 40k's selling point is being the system you collect, you move to a new city, you dust off your army 5 years later and you can still get a wargame with local gamers. If you have to rebuy an army every year, that's gone. For me though, the writing was on the wall in 9th. Votann codex being invalid on the day of purchase summed up how little of an F they gave about producing a product that's valuable to the customer.

I wanted to start Warhammer 40k, but after buying the REDEMPTOR DREADNOUGHT, I couldn't justify the investment. Instead of a Iron Hands army I got the Waffen SS starter army for Bolt action and had a free box of infantrymen thrown in for free. I now have more than enough with 70 men, a Tiger, a StuG, and support teams for $145. So total would be around $185 if I had paid for the infantry. Bolt Action, Battletech, Flames of War, and Saga has provided me with far too much plastic to paint.

Meanwhile in Battletech/Alpha Strike you can proxy, not WYSIWIG, and you can use that 30 year old Ral Partha model if you want to.

Unless they're planning on retroactively fit Primaris into Horus Heresy, not one of this kits will be out for long without a proper, firstborn replacement. At least I hope so...

Great video Mordian and spot on man. This extermination of First Born marines is also telling on what will happen lore wise in the future, since GW only produce lore to sell models. So since they've eradicated the first born kits, how many first born marine characters in the lore will wither cross the rubicon and become primaris or just get killed off and replaced with a primaris equivalent. Also, like yourself, I invested heavily into a tyranid army late 9th edition and got TONS of termagants. Easily over $250+ in todays money that I can't use in an official tournament. Which some will disregard saying I can just play at home with friends. Problem is, I love competitive play and the tournament scene. So it's not that simple for me.

Similarly to how you feel about Warlord Games, I'm very satisfied with Cool Mini or Not (CMON). I've started collecting a House Baratheon (Stannis) army for the A Song of Ice and Fire Miniatures Game. While monopose plastic, I'm able to get these models for way less money and have enjoyed a totally free proprietary army builder app. They've maybe had one slipup like unit updates immediately after releasing (optional) physical unit cards, but I overall have purchase confidence every time I want some models from Westeros.

3d printing makes more and more sense these days. Like a mini and print it for a $1, and if GW burns what it represents it didnt cost you a load of cash to pick up

I strongly encourage you to take a look at Wargames Atlantic for infantry options. They've just done some nice space-cavalry.

For myself, i am really undecided between "well... sad. *shrugs*" and "that is a really bad move". Have around 3500 points firstborn pre-primaris models. Got back into 40k with 9th edition, got an additional raptors-marine Army (Primaris + couts + land speeders), that I played over the last year and a newly bought iron hands pile of shame, primaris only. On the one hand, the old models and I have a long history from 3d to 7th edition and I liked them very much. On other hand, I had much fun and a nice hobbytime over the last year with almost Primaris only. I already experienced you peoples loss, because apart from Vanguard veterans and scouts my firstborn units were pretty bad (painted and ruleswise) anyway, so I did not use them. AND it seems that one part of old models will just get resculpts (very nice!), the other part will still be playable anywhere outside of tournaments (that I do not visit often). Undecided, really; but would suggest to wait for the Codex and judge than, if we know what changes, what stays and what goes...

Can someone explain to me why you suddenly can't play with these models? I just played a game of 10th and I used my scouts.