I Asked Thousands Of Players To Analyze The Same 3 Positions

I Asked Thousands Of Players To Analyze The Same 3 Positions | Chess Quiz 6 Results!

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1000 - 1500 Strategic Thinking Chess Course: ✅ chessvibescourses.thinkific.com/ Everything I wished I knew when I was rated 1000. If you're stuck around the 1000 level and can't seem to improve, this is the course for you. 40+ video lessons on all phases of the game! I compared how differently rated players think about the same positions! This is Quiz #6 in this series!
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@aclown2505 2 жыл бұрын

The 25 move mate is absolutely my favourite, I've wwon the last 20 games with it, thanks

@aaravlad4041 2 жыл бұрын

Haha

@FirstNameLastName-gz9eo 10 ай бұрын

I've tried memorizing the 25 moves. After 2 years, I'm almost there.

@NotQuiteFirst 2 жыл бұрын

I like the "general plan" quiz instead of just looking for the winning tactic, but would prefer still doing it by move choice according to the rating grades. I think it would be good to include one position in which the answer isn't a decisive tactic but just general improvement of the position, that would be very interesting to see the difference between players at different levels and would make for informative explanation of the position.

@maxkho00 2 жыл бұрын

I think best would be a combination of both ─ first choose the plan, then write down the exact move. This way we can see the thought process behind people's choices. In addition, I would really love to see positions where there are multiple feasible moves, just to see the difference in style between different ratings.

@thesaltyguy3564 2 жыл бұрын

100% agree. You can train tactic easily with problems but training strategy is much harder

@NotQuiteFirst 2 жыл бұрын

@@maxkho00 the only problem with the multiple choice plans is that is guides the viewer by making suggestions, so they're not really making a free choice. Imagine if the "find the move" tactics were done as multiple choice instead of an open question - rather than the viewer searching for the move themselves they would be looking at a list of pre-chosen moves which would influence them.

@pramanverma6209 2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I feel like plan suggestions are lazy and don't necessarily force you to calculate longer variations which I think brings down the educational value of this great series. Having both plans and moves is fine, but the percentages/stats should be accounted for the moves imo.

@greengoblin9567 2 жыл бұрын

I like the 3 tactics one better personally, but the plan ones are more for beginners.

@nuigmep3766 2 жыл бұрын

This series is a worthy rival of Gothamchess’s guess the elo

@thomarte8108 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i wont be surprised if gotham himself stars a similar series

@lukacalov1988 2 жыл бұрын

Its way better than guess the elo cuz herr you can actually learn stuff and Gothamchess is just comercial

@thomarte8108 2 жыл бұрын

@@lukacalov1988 why are u hating bro

@god0fgames100 2 жыл бұрын

@@thomarte8108 he's right tho. Gotham only cares about entertainment these days. He's stopped with the educational content completely. Either he makes funny videos or he does tournament commentary.

@thomarte8108 2 жыл бұрын

@@god0fgames100 but he COMERCIAL tho?

@philljenner4045 2 жыл бұрын

I like the idea in position 3 of suggesting the best plan, but I would also ask for which move you would make. Enjoying this series, keep up the great work, Nelson.

@jelly3222 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

@atomopawn 2 жыл бұрын

This! Great idea!

@pramanverma6209 2 жыл бұрын

@atomopawn 2 жыл бұрын

@@pramanverma6209 I disagree completely. Finding a single move is a lot like solving a tactics puzzle. It's comparatively easy. But evaluating the entire position and coming up with a plan takes a lot of work and is much harder. It vastly increases the educational value, too, because it's an area where most of us need to improve our game.

@mvtm20 2 жыл бұрын

yes! i believe we'd get lots of interesting answers and know if many would or wouldn't find Bxh6

@chicken9865 2 жыл бұрын

2:06 a neat little way I learned to find these tactics is to see mate threads exactly like checks, if the King was on H7 there its much easier to see the fork :D

@macnolds4145 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love the "assess the position" or "pick a plan" problems. However, I think you have to make the wrong answers a bit more viable and tricky. Players should not be able to easily use process of elimination to arrive at the right answer.

@DonFreeq 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with second part. This positions aren't good picks. Some 1000 could play the easiest move in the position not seeing fork... because it is in fact the easiest move. I feel also positions could be tougher. As for plans It depends on the positions - here it wasn't great, but I see it working.

@JG-wz8xx 2 жыл бұрын

I really liked the general plan and the way it was formatted. It made me think about the position in ways that I never would have otherwise.

@nickwilson8119 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, hope it makes a return

@pramanverma6209 2 жыл бұрын

@darrylkassle361 2 жыл бұрын

@@pramanverma6209 yeah I like the plans. I think both is what he should do. That way both of us and many more are happy. Great how he is very interactive unlike some other channels

@JecIsBec 2 жыл бұрын

"Don't come back until you see the mate in 18" Me, obviously a tactical genius: *play*

@le_gus001 2 жыл бұрын

Jep 😁😁

@Rude_i_Wredne 2 жыл бұрын

tbf I got confused, because I didn't see Rf7 (I only calculated Re8 and Rxf6 after the obvious exf6) and in other lines it's really quick mate, so I unpaused

@OKz_93 2 жыл бұрын

The 18 move checkmate joke is pure genius, Totally caught me off-guard trying to go for it.. BTW love this series

@alexlegard6245 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for teaching me that mate in 18, now I can take my gameplay to the next level !

@augustdaye2746 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see you continue with the multiple-choice position question and also briefly analyze how to carry out the plan. Big fan of the site.

@pramanverma6209 2 жыл бұрын

@paigelove2666 2 жыл бұрын

16:38 Another mate in 2 solution is rc5, leaving no move that prevents the various dovetail mates that come with qa5 or d8, so if you found that good job! I think it's always slightly harder to find the mating patterns that don't involve forced check sequences.

@almightyhydra 2 жыл бұрын

I found Qd8+ Kb5; Rc5#

@LexMassive 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to have found this channel. Great concept here, really like working through these videos. I prefer the style of the first two questions but it's pleasant to have a switch of style for the final round.

@dannydupont8761 2 жыл бұрын

Really loving the content on this channel. The quizzes are definitely my favorite of the videos and have helped me improve my Zwischenzug (in-between moves) and better navigate chess puzzles. Thanks so much! 👍🏾

@JFBassett2050 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff! I will be looking for more of these! This is a BRILLIANT learning technique!

@paullinroest 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video like always! I especially enjoyed the position plan evaluation. Thank you :)

@LeonardGMN 2 жыл бұрын

I really like the idea of the different plans to choose from! I think everybody has done a lot of normal puzzles and it's really refreshing to see something new and original. And from what I've seen, a lot of beginners (me included) struggle to find a plan for the middle game, so these kind of "middle game plan puzzles" are really helpful.

@hudson11235 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent quiz format. Love the general plan options. My idea in the third was to push my white bishop back and make a battery (second best option?). Very fun.

@spockninjitsu9396 2 жыл бұрын

Love these! I'd be interested to see more challenging positions though, since all the rating categories usually get the right answer.

@bingibrahim300 2 жыл бұрын

I loved the third quiz about general plans. If possible might I suggest some more closed or endgame positions where the answer isn't so much about tactics but getting your pieces to better places. I'd also suggest some more losing positions, where the goal isn't as much to get a winning position or a perpetual, but covering weaknesses and avoiding checkmate as best as you can.

@josephfurches7411 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely love the quiz format! This is one of the best things I've seen on a Chess channel and I love seeing how players stronger rated than me would approach a position.

@chwepsi5665 2 жыл бұрын

No kidding i calculated to the point where you win the queen in the bishop sac line

@thebullybuffalo 2 жыл бұрын

Here’s a 🍪

@jimbaker40 2 жыл бұрын

The third quiz where we have to decide the correct plan was the most interesting and the most helpful to me. I like that you include both types of quiz, pick the best move is fun, good for capturing interest, but the decide the right plan was like the icing on the cake.

@janpiet9921 2 жыл бұрын

Love the series, especially this one cause i participated in it for the first time. I don't dislike the addition of a general plan, though i do prefer just finding moves. However you decide to proceed I'll be watching though!

@Justin-qe6gj 2 жыл бұрын

same im 1300-1600

@pearcyjackson280 2 жыл бұрын

I participated for the first time too funnily enough

@mortalwomprat 2 жыл бұрын

“Some chess players have a hard time with sarcasm” 🤣🤣

@robertdrozd8379 2 жыл бұрын

I really like general plans. This is an amazing option, additionally really well explained. Thumbs up!

@JasonAhl 2 жыл бұрын

LOVE the idea of asking for the best plan! Thanks for adding this!

@konstantinospapavramidis1406 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Nelson, I liked your new idea very much, and I would like to see both of these exercises in the next episode!

@chambly111 2 жыл бұрын

I like you re quiz a lot! thanks :) For the more general formulae you used for the 3rd here, i think its a good way to do it. In this particular instance, i found it was too easy (for me) to find out. The choosing of the choice we have to pick is the hardest part for you. Make more, we'll be able to appreciate better the formulae.

@alyks5478 2 жыл бұрын

Love the series and the dedication to improve on feedback! Keep it up!

@keltonrogers7499 2 жыл бұрын

"I'm not going to say my answer because It's bias". What an honest dude. All this hard work for the content and doesn't even want to stroke the ego. Respect.

@EliasHasle 2 жыл бұрын

- But the RIGHT answer is... 😅 As if his "bias" had led him to the wrong move. 😂

@wilartman2887 2 жыл бұрын

I like the last question as part of the quiz. I have to look at the entire board setup to come up with a plan :-)

@ConsumerkingUk 2 жыл бұрын

Love the plan ideas. Simple content, expertly delivered.

@dkpandey1996 2 жыл бұрын

I like this best plan concept in position 3. It's good to see how you are improving this series every week. Keep it going.

@Daddy1Fatsack 2 жыл бұрын

Personally I prefer looking at specific moves rather than general plans, but either way this a great series that I'm really enjoying - keep up the good work!

@user-uk9er5vw4c 2 жыл бұрын

just discovered the channel, and this. guy .... awesome series, subscribed!

@ChessVibesOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

@InfernalLegion84 2 жыл бұрын

This awesome and unique series is another one on my must-watch list on yt regarding chess, keep it up man!

@ChessVibesOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@naamcortez9642 2 жыл бұрын

This guy is such a gem with his chess and excel skills

@vipereleol6307 2 жыл бұрын

Nelson start to create brilliant chess puzzles 😂. No seriously it is the best series of chess videos. I like the "ideas" puzzles !!

@chetmcman 2 жыл бұрын

Hooray! I got two right this time. That's two more than on last week's lol. I liked the #3 multiple choice, general strategy question. Maybe start throwing those in as a 4th bonus question? I really like this series a lot. Actually, I prefer this over guess the Elo (nothing against levy, love his channel too). I just started playing chess in March of this year so it's really helpful for me to see different thought processes.

@Nosceteipsum166 2 жыл бұрын

This series got you a new subscriber, mate. Excelent!

@ChessVibesOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

@fireballxl-5748 2 жыл бұрын

Like this format. Thank you.

@micha833 2 жыл бұрын

Really like the evaluation of the plan idea, great addition

@prim16 2 жыл бұрын

I very much like the format for the third question, general tactical advice instead of just puzzles. Besides the fact that it's interesting, for those of us of lower ELO, it helps us learn what general strategy to employ when a position doesn't seem to have any critical moves. Admittedly, we are not always in a position where one move grabs some outstanding advantage, but even for that, it's easy enough to find puzzles to solve. General strategy given a position in the middle-game is an area less touched upon, so I hope you keep it going forward.

@eel9 2 жыл бұрын

I like the general plan quiz, but this one was a bit too easy. I enjoy seeing more complex positions where there's a difference between rating levels

@rogerairborne 2 жыл бұрын

Very good instruction. I like both methods; i.e., multiple choice and positional quiz.

@geoffsaemann4241 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Nelson just wanted to say how much I love your series and your channel in general. Keep up the good work👍

@ChessVibesOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@TheMooStashe 2 жыл бұрын

The macro plan quiz is really nice! Maybe a mix of both tactics and plans could be great!

@felixpoldermans8373 2 жыл бұрын

Okay, so old video, new comment. I like the format of the "attack plan". Very fun to do these puzzles, as well as watching you explain them!

@blvdk 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed thinking about the quiz then hearing your feedback, nice series!

@wowwoawubbzy 2 жыл бұрын

Love the new section at the end!

@andypitz1 2 жыл бұрын

Loved your sense of humor in this one and yes I like the ranking of choices of plans and not just tactics. Seems to work with your commentary style as well. Loved it

@ChessVibesOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

@alejandrogutierrez6923 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely love the strategic quizzes!!

@c.y.hollander5592 2 жыл бұрын

Re the multiple choice question (which I imagine is more work to create), I think what people wanted was less to be given a choice of plan but rather to have to work out which move to make in cases where there are no clear tactical considerations pointing to a best move. The opposite of what you did, in other words: don't spell out the plans yourself, but do choose a position where there are no immediate tactics. I really appreciate your commitment to improving this series, by the way: it was good from the beginning, but you keep working on making it better, which is great!

@ganrimmonim 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating. I played the potions by the way before watching the video really interesting.

@NuubiKakku 2 жыл бұрын

I love this series, also please keep giving the preferred moves for different ratings, it's very interesting

@jonathanangladadavis 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Nelson, I just saw your series and I really enjoy it. Keep it up. On the third position I saw the bishop sacrifice and the mate threats. My rapid elo rating is 1200

@yiply42 2 жыл бұрын

I think that the 3 puzzle types positions are really fun and interesting and that format works really well, but at the same time it’s good to have some positional ideas so maybe something like 3 puzzle and 1/2 positionals would be really fun if that’s not too much work on your part

@yyyyyk 2 жыл бұрын

At 16:43, I actually thought of Qfd8, Rc5. I think that also works as mate in 2. I prefer the previous 3 puzzles format, but regardless, thank you, Nelson, I really love the way you explain everything.

@frogtrainer5899 2 жыл бұрын

Dude I freaking died when you hit us with "I have won so many games with this 18 move checkmate. It's my favorite. "

@zozeph1212 2 жыл бұрын

I like both types of questions. All of it is great :D

@trollkingtrill4541 2 жыл бұрын

Everything you did this video was amazing and enjoyable

@shadreckchimba2389 2 жыл бұрын

Suggestion of the best plan sounds great. It helps you think.

@Dragonten312 2 жыл бұрын

Love this series dude!

@qqw743 2 жыл бұрын

One positional puzzle per quiz is great. However, this position had a tactical sacrifice that was too tempting. So in effect it was a tactical puzzle with one right answer. Would prefer a fully positional puzzle. As Tartakower said “Tactics is knowing what to do when there is something to do. Strategy is knowing what to do when there is nothing to do.” Would be interesting to ask: "Other than attacking black's kingside, what is the best strategic approach?" I sure don't know.

@oskarplate4928 2 жыл бұрын

I like the "general idea" quiz and would keep it as it is. Thanks for the video, it is my favorite chess content apart from Seirawan and Finegold lectures.

@SimbasGlory 2 жыл бұрын

This was my first time taking the quiz, and it was great. I really like the multiple choice.

@steijnvanb4634 2 жыл бұрын

The last one I liked but I didnt see bishop takes. Thats the sprt of skill expression I think is so cool to see

@tobiasnilsson3933 2 жыл бұрын

I loved the last scenario with the options!

@Cleston815 2 жыл бұрын

this idea of choosing a plan was great! it is the kind of stuff i get wrong most of the my games.

@benboucher-giles2241 2 жыл бұрын

Great video series (just found and immediately subscribed). Some less clear cut, some more general positional/strategic positions would be awesome.

@Proflaxis 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Nelson, I like the plans idea. But I also like the existing tactical style too. Maybe you can mix it up every then and now. BTW, love your channel. Plz keep doing it.

@rufusjasko 2 жыл бұрын

First time getting all 3 right! I think it could be interesting in the future if some of the positions were a positional idea rather than a tactical one or a plan, potentially so that there are a number of good moves but one or two are better positionally than others.

@ElijahStormblessed 2 жыл бұрын

I love the new multiple choice style of questions!

@petermikey2800 2 жыл бұрын

i liked the way you asked what our plan would be, because theres more opportunity for different choices

@stungun565 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect tempo and order right now, really appreciated!!

@johnsnow5305 2 жыл бұрын

I like the idea of having both types of questions. You need to be able to find good moves and you also need to be able to think long term so having both types of positions makes sense to me.

@Timmyartificio 2 жыл бұрын

I like the general plan as the second position. That way, the original puzzle/tactic is still there because that's what we originally liked and that's what we get in the beginning and end of the video bjt we have this new multiple choice one in the middle.

@RikMaxSpeed 2 жыл бұрын

The best plan idea is great, especially early mid game, the “what should I do now?” problem.

@GoodnotGreat88 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, Proud to say I found the top move in all of them, I actually picked Bxh6 in the last puzzle as my move before you said it was more about the plan than specific move.

@thorin_oakenshield 2 жыл бұрын

I really like the "general plan" because that is an area I really struggle with in some positions.

@Kuribohdudalala 2 жыл бұрын

Question 3 was my favorite. More of that please

@captainkeyboard1007 2 жыл бұрын

These chess lessons are very good. They stimulate a viewer's ability to think coherently and clear. The quizzes are very helpful.

@atomopawn 2 жыл бұрын

Really, really enjoyed quiz7. That last position is insane!

@frankhanrahan1526 2 жыл бұрын

I like the multiple choice, it gave me the opportunity to think more thoroughly of solutions.

@jedrzejkraszpulski442 2 жыл бұрын

My first 3/3, feels good! Thought I must've been wrong with the perpetual check in #2 and was just missing the win somewhere. Personally prefer all traditional format questions.

@jimc8929 2 жыл бұрын

Love the general plan idea. It helps to know that my initial feelings aren't totally squirrely.

@jackfarnsworth791 2 жыл бұрын

Love this series! This was the first time I participated. Can't wait to see how I did.

@dimitrimatteo6882 2 жыл бұрын

How did you do ?

@jackfarnsworth791 2 жыл бұрын

100%! And for the right reasons which I’m proud of. Second puzzle was crazy difficult though. I wasnt convinced we were winning after we win back the bishop.

@DonFreeq 2 жыл бұрын

Congrats, but these weren't challenging puzzles :P

@jackfarnsworth791 2 жыл бұрын

Apparently the puzzle of “how to interact with other human beings” still eludes you sadly :( You’ll get there

@tallowisp8868 2 жыл бұрын

I like the idea with 1 position being about the general plans. This week's positions were a bit easier than most of the previous weeks imo but still fun to solve. Position 2 was an especially fun one seeing the perpetual and also seeing the checkmates if the King steps out. :)

@DonFreeq 2 жыл бұрын

If there is position about general plans there has to be an option "x goes brrr..." where x is minor piece or pawn. It's the biggest chess wisdom compressed to echoism. You can't include more information about chess in that amount of words.

@michaelfortunato1860 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff! If you could find positions in which the top players are vastly more likely to pick the winning move, or even positions in which lower rated players choose the wrong move or plan, that would offer another sort of valuable insight.

@aClownBaby- 2 жыл бұрын

Great series! I’d love to know some of the reasoning from every rating range though, like 2 or 3 lines of what their reasoning was for the move. Curious what the difference is for 0-1000 and 1300-1600/2000

@adora2423 2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps you could have us input multiple moves as a form of plan as a way to do general plan instead of just tactical stuff. Love the content!

@BernardHumphreyGaskin 2 жыл бұрын

I like the which plan to use ... often missed by most teachers ... thank you

@honzik9620 2 жыл бұрын

General plans are great, you can even add more of them

@poundmycake 2 жыл бұрын

I like the plan idea a lot but concur that best move should also be in the question. I also enjoyed the slightly tougher questions from the past quizzes, I personally felt these were a hair too simple. 1500 elo player fwiw. Love this series!!

@wavelino1668 2 жыл бұрын

I really like the new general plan puzzle! However I think one reason that a lot of players gave the right answer is because they could see why a kingside attack would be the right answer, but actually don't have a concrete idea how to execute it. So perhaps you could let them submit a move per usual, but the 'explain your move' would be a multiple-choice option. I think that would also help get a better insight in why each rating group chose a move. It doesn't appear yet that it's very clear what the differences in thought process are between ratings, especially this episode where all rating groups gave similar answers for all questions.

@KARTIKEYA007 2 жыл бұрын

well in reality people just plug positions in their computer and say the move accordingly lol

@wavelino1668 2 жыл бұрын

@@KARTIKEYA007 People who do that are cheating themselves really. I also doubt how many people actually do that considering we've had puzzles in previous episodes where less than 20% gave the right answer.

@KARTIKEYA007 2 жыл бұрын

@@wavelino1668 Dude I am sure most people are doing it now. The first puzzle is not easy because even if u see Qh5, you would have to know what to do if gxf6 is played instead since u can't immediately deploy the queen for a check. Idk man, people in the 0-1000 category often miss very simple tactics, i can't believe they can see lines like Qh5

@darrylkassle361 2 жыл бұрын

Look at that subscriber base only seemed like yesterday you were at 20k now 45k . Your blowing up man - Good to see you deserve it. Anybody here if because of Covid stuffing them up financially or for whatever reason you cannot offer to support 💲💲💲at least promote Nelson where ever you can I leave the links and suggestions all over the net particularly when it’s a beginner- intermediate player asking about improving and chess content. Even playing on chess sites I drop his name. Least I can do for his great content!!!! Just thought I would put that out there.

@travisanderson3462 2 жыл бұрын

I like both the exact move and the general idea of what to do, maybe always have some of each or mix it up. Is it possible to have a defensive/positional puzzle more than just a tactic to win? Sometimes we get behind and need to save face rather than just see what idea is winning a piece/mating your opponent. Or looking and preparing moves before opening up an opponents position/when to open things up or close them

@bobbobbity463 2 жыл бұрын

Stockfish doesn't check all possible lines, so it can be off on mate in X where X is rather large. Though I've seen it call a mate in 4 as a mate in 5 as well. If you increase the search depth, it also increases the search breadth and will usually show you the shorter mate if there is one.

@JurijFedorov 2 жыл бұрын

One thing that could make it better for beginners is having short clips of players on that Elo level tell us why they picked the move. Just mini interviews.