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9 күн бұрын

After a 57 win season that earned them the 1 seed, the OKC Thunder have arguably improved on both ends after signing Isaiah Hartenstein.
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@Rose.Davies
@Rose.Davies 6 күн бұрын
Seems like the good teams are just getting better-Mavs, Thunder, 76ers. The Mavs/Thunder rivalry will be legendary for years to come. I'm still mad that Thunder got Caruso. Now Hart is another bad man.
@mateuscarneiro3371
@mateuscarneiro3371 6 күн бұрын
76ers are not a good team
@youngjimmybutlet
@youngjimmybutlet 6 күн бұрын
@@mateuscarneiro3371yeah okay byo
@joshreid1006
@joshreid1006 5 күн бұрын
@@mateuscarneiro3371How can you even say that, with Maxey, Paul George and Joel the only issue is if they can stay healthy. But they are a great team.
@fredomadeit4875
@fredomadeit4875 5 күн бұрын
@@joshreid1006 be honest, they haven't even played together, how can they be a great team? All of these teams have to prove they improved. I don't think the Mavs improved due to losing key players in Derrick Jones, Jr. and Josh Green, only getting Klay Thompson in return, who isn't quite what he used to be.
@keemdadreamkeemdadream7125
@keemdadreamkeemdadream7125 4 күн бұрын
@@fredomadeit4875 mavs are so bad lol
@unkownknob
@unkownknob 7 күн бұрын
Presti top 5 GM all time. just needs a chip to solidify it. he makes the right moves… players just sometimes get greedy (baby thunder)
@KnowThyself47
@KnowThyself47 7 күн бұрын
No Championship and he picked Giddy over Franz Wagner/Trey Murphy/Jalen Johnson/Johnathan Kuminga
@KBilliez
@KBilliez 7 күн бұрын
@@KnowThyself47every single GM misses on a pick. You cant just look at one. And that’s not even a bust of a pick, Giddey is still a starter on a lot of teams
@user-vp1nu2dv9u
@user-vp1nu2dv9u 7 күн бұрын
If OKC was a big market like LA or GSW, with a lot of money to spend and easy access to top players, they would have won at least once.
@wackoutoftune
@wackoutoftune 7 күн бұрын
@@KnowThyself47hater
@KnowThyself47
@KnowThyself47 7 күн бұрын
@@unkownknob The Hayward trade was a COMPLETE DISASTER and proves my point that Sam has Waaaaaay to many BOOTLICKS around him.... Tre Mann=MUCH BETTER THAN TOPIC...Davis Bertans=Could've helped against P.J.....Vasilije Micic=SAM DOESN'T KNOW TALENT.........IF SAM WOULD'VE HIRED ME OKC WOULD HAVE AT LEAST 2💍 BY NOW.....FAKE BASKETBALL GENIUS= SAM PRESTI
@eshnajizzle
@eshnajizzle 6 күн бұрын
I love that I think we're seeing a small comeback of the big men in basketball. It's not that post-ups are great offensively, but proper screens and inside threats open up the outside threat, as well as the backcourt drives. Rebounding has also been ignored for too long. On defence everyone has been so busy finding wing defenders, they forgot there's nothing you can do on the perimeter, if you always need to collapse the defence for any penetration. A good rim presence disallows the drives without help, forcing long twos or giving the perimeter defence a chance to contest Basketball is a holistic game, and you can't leave areas unchecked if you want to win. A balanced game with multiple threats, and solid inside-out defence wins games, series, and chips.
@paulie_23
@paulie_23 7 күн бұрын
This team's biggest threat now is injuries. Hartenstein's screens will levetate J-Dub's game tremendously in second unit minutes, especially in the playoffs where J-Dub struggled getting seperation this year. Shai excels with just ghost screens already. If this team stays healthy, they have an undeniable advantage over any other teams in the west and can give a healthy Boston a real shot
@AcogNeato
@AcogNeato 7 күн бұрын
wit the depth of our bench that should really help keep everyone healthy. No excessive minutes going to be needed
@javigar133
@javigar133 7 күн бұрын
Health is key for everyone, OKC players are not particularly injury prone
@sanket518
@sanket518 7 күн бұрын
Thunder need to trade dort for Jonathan Isaac or Deni advija as both are better rebounder and are able to guard 1 to 5 because of their height Thunder will only be a championship team if they pull of a trade for Isaac or Deni to replace dort
@sanket518
@sanket518 7 күн бұрын
Thunder need to trade dort for Jonathan Isaac or Deni advija as both are better rebounder and are able to guard 1 to 5 because of their height Thunder will only be a championship team if they pull of a trade for Isaac or Deni to replace dort
@dwes6447
@dwes6447 7 күн бұрын
@@sanket518yeah great idea. Trade the guy that completely locked down Ingram and held Luka to 25 ppg in the playoffs
@bmillersince92
@bmillersince92 7 күн бұрын
Okc has an answer for every opposing offense and defense, they can go big they can go small they can 5 out, they can lock up the perimeter and the paint. Imagine Dort and Caruso funneling guards to the paint where Chet or Iheart hunt for blocks insane to think about, as of now this team on paper is the champion
@Brainwave99
@Brainwave99 7 күн бұрын
They gonna get Carusofied in the Dorture Chamber
@javigar133
@javigar133 7 күн бұрын
I would not put OKC over Cs just yet
@bmillersince92
@bmillersince92 7 күн бұрын
@@javigar133 okc split the series with Boston in the regular season, it’s really a toss up
@michaelm.3686
@michaelm.3686 6 күн бұрын
At least one guy in US sport that is, first able to and, second gives some effort to pronounce a foreign name correctly. Thanks a lot for that. greetings from Germany
@NguyenNguyen-xv8li
@NguyenNguyen-xv8li 7 күн бұрын
Thank you for yet another insightful video with clear cut examples and break downs with benefits and cons.
@jfits
@jfits 7 күн бұрын
You and hockey psychology keep giving relevant videos in the summer / off season 😎
@doctorgucci3750
@doctorgucci3750 7 күн бұрын
I highly doubt Caruso will be starting, he's gonna play big minutes off the bench though
@LightlyI2I
@LightlyI2I 7 күн бұрын
Agreed
@G-Blockster
@G-Blockster 7 күн бұрын
I like Isaiah Joe starting at SG at least in the regular season.
@bryanbray6968
@bryanbray6968 7 күн бұрын
It'll be SGA, JDub, Dort, Caruso, Chet. Secondary will be Isiah Joe, Cason Wallace, Aaron Wiggins, Dieng/Williams/Williams, Hardenstein. The rotation won't be a clean first and second unit, it'll stagger and mix and match fluidly as we did all season last year.
@javigar133
@javigar133 7 күн бұрын
The game is 48 minutes, Who cares Who starts? Alex Will be a huge piece this year
@MarcusMullins-ec4rf
@MarcusMullins-ec4rf 7 күн бұрын
@@G-Blocksteridk man regular season yeah but I like him to come off the bench and hit some big threes to give momentum. I think not knowing who will start is a good problem to have tho
@aarondekker1834
@aarondekker1834 7 күн бұрын
So stoked with the moves they made. Excited for next season
@ballinwitac2258
@ballinwitac2258 7 күн бұрын
I think the Thunder are favorites in the West we just got the 1 seed last year and fixed our 2 biggest weaknesses I believe the Thunder and The Celtics are the only teams with 5 players in the top 30 of BPM from last season
@yoboyace-_-937
@yoboyace-_-937 7 күн бұрын
Only Mavs and OKC have a chance at making the finals next year I think
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
As a Mavs fan I agree. I had some heated conversations before our series with some Thunder fans. My point was that the Thunder lack PO experience and size/physicality. Thunder fans thought those points are not that important. Well, they were. Now BOTH problems got adressed and fixed... in a nearly perfect way. And the franchise didnt even have to give up one pick to get there... Caruso has Championship experience and is one of the 3 best 3&D perimeter roleplayers in the league. And I Hart is just perfect as a true big Center to provide Chet with the help he needs banging down low and securing rebounds. And he also has already proven in 2 PO runs that his impact is as good in the postseason. Only thing missing is Hartenstein shooting 3's like Lopez... but thank god he cant, cause that would be just unfair! 😋 Bearing big injuries 60+ wins is the minimum for me. If your team is the healthiest team in the league again (like last season), even 65 should be possible. Playoffs? Well lets wait and see. But right now I think (hope) we could get a OKC vs DAL rematch in the WCF, cause I think our teams are the 2 best in the west. Dallas just has to stay somewhat healthy (we were by far the most injured WC playoff team last season) and reach a top 3 seed first... 🤨
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
Denver fan ... and I have Thunder in the finals ... if they are healthy. Just too deep for a team like Denver now.
@assaf8016
@assaf8016 7 күн бұрын
Great video To me Caruso isn’t locked in the starting 5. And to me I’m just super curious how the defence will look! How you score on a team who got Dort, Caruso, Cason,Chet,Ihart,Jwill and more??
@yvng.t3k807
@yvng.t3k807 7 күн бұрын
He’s definitely starting
@G-Blockster
@G-Blockster 7 күн бұрын
I agree. I see Isaiah Joe starting at SG. Caruso will likely come off the bench for SGA in the 2nd Quarter and then play the 4th Quarter.
@paulievespucci6867
@paulievespucci6867 7 күн бұрын
The bigger question is how you gonna stop the Suns Big 3 from scoring?
@colt2274
@colt2274 7 күн бұрын
@@paulievespucci6867 did you not watch our games against them last year?
@JCtheGOAT4
@JCtheGOAT4 6 күн бұрын
@@G-BlocksterJoe isn’t starting over Dort or Caruso. I think we start both Dort and Caruso and have Ihart come off the bench
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 күн бұрын
I am so sad the Knicks lost I Hart. But I love him for the Thunder. As an aside, Centers as passing hubs is the new meta.
@j-real7233
@j-real7233 4 күн бұрын
As a Spurs fan, i take my hat off to you guys. Yall are going to be dangerous for years
@hashbrown4278
@hashbrown4278 4 күн бұрын
They basically took presti from the spurs
@a_rd2628
@a_rd2628 7 күн бұрын
Great video, I’m excited to see if OKC can improve even more from last year, should be a fun team. By the way, when do you think you’ll be releasing your top 25 players? Will it be closer to now or the beginning of next season?
@johnreydelatorre3450
@johnreydelatorre3450 7 күн бұрын
I only knew him this year with the Knicks. Good for him, he has a name now.
@knicksknoggin
@knicksknoggin 7 күн бұрын
Any player that goes to NY , and plays hard and plays well always gets picked up on huge contracts else where . That’s the bad side of being a large franchise and frequently televised , you get more recognition and attention , with that we lose a lot of our break out players who obviously want to chase the generational wealth . As they should
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 күн бұрын
@@knicksknoggin I wish NY could have kept him, but I love him for OKC.
@Caseycarlo
@Caseycarlo 7 күн бұрын
As a thunder fan I feel like they are trying to make up for fumbling the dynasty we should have had with KD Westbrook and Harden and they are doing an amazing job
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 күн бұрын
As long as they don't make another Harden Trade.
@jojocircus2314
@jojocircus2314 7 күн бұрын
Yeah that’s what all organizations do, it didn’t work and they try to get better, it’s kind of of like a life motto.
@Caseycarlo
@Caseycarlo 6 күн бұрын
@@jojocircus2314 not what I'm talking about but yes that is the goal
@jojocircus2314
@jojocircus2314 5 күн бұрын
@@Caseycarlo nobody fumbled anything what happened, happened brother. Sometimes you get what mixes well, sometimes you don’t . Oklahoma City has never fumbled . Maybe made a bad play call but that city is the smartest organization arguably in all of professional sports not just the nba.
@Caseycarlo
@Caseycarlo 5 күн бұрын
@@jojocircus2314 I'll give you the last part but the definitely fumbled the harden thing and we never went back to the finals you dont have a 3 overall pick playing off the bench say what you want but go back and look at it rebuilding since then just now back to that spot now and I think these moves put us passed that team
@alex_oxGee
@alex_oxGee 7 күн бұрын
Man i am excited for this season
@gamma.mp6
@gamma.mp6 7 күн бұрын
You’re gonna have a million subs one day another great video bro
@matthewmurdock1897
@matthewmurdock1897 4 күн бұрын
Presti doing an amazing job, these okc boys are gonna be amazing this year
@Triads297
@Triads297 7 күн бұрын
excellent breakdown
@trytinn
@trytinn 6 күн бұрын
I met bro in Bali last summer he was super chill. Also ya he’s a legit 7’0 maybe even 7’1
@audio8685
@audio8685 4 күн бұрын
A couple of clarifications: His defensive rebounding is crazy good. He was just contesting and making the opponent miss, which leaves him out of position to rebound, or he was boxing out for players like Josh Hart to rebound. That's why the Knicks were a pretty good defensive rebounding team while being severely undersized with Randle, Mitch, OG, and others injured most of the season. Also, Hartenstein literally led the league in 3-point% as a Clipper (yes, you are reading this right). It was on low attempts, but high enough to show he CAN shoot if you want him to (Thibs didn't let him do it). No offense, but you should check the stats before making this video. Also, he is far better than Sabonis at literally everything: passing, scoring, shooting, defending-EVERYTHING.
@ryanamburgy2791
@ryanamburgy2791 Күн бұрын
1:37 in my opinion, JWill actually did a pretty good job defending Jokic in some of the regular season games last year.
@scarletspider1240
@scarletspider1240 6 күн бұрын
In don’t get why people are talking so much about Paul George and Klay Thompson…the Thunder have BY FAR made the best moves so far in free agency. This signing is going to be huge for them.
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
Those guys have big name value. Thunder should be in the finals next year if healthy. I'm a Denver fan but they've been getting weaker since they won the chip. Made no effort to build a strong bench after losing Brown and Green. Klay may not work out ... and Paul George is injury prone ....
@killjoycola
@killjoycola 2 күн бұрын
okc was the best team in the west in the regular season.. they learned with dallas and Boston they need to start building for the playoffs.. okc over the next 5 years will be crazy
@literallynobody8772
@literallynobody8772 7 күн бұрын
The great thing about I-Hart is he fits our team’s culture really well. We got a lot of competitive, yet goofy guys that have incredible chemistry. I could see I-Hart fitting well for those two things
@rickyisme1230
@rickyisme1230 7 күн бұрын
Next year’s NBA would be absolutely incredible especially in the West Denver looks for revenge OKC and Wolves having the experience and Dallas also want to get back to where they were. And in the East I think would be three headed monster Boston Philly and New York . The parity of NBA is on all time high which is such a joy for basketball fans.
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
Boston, New York? Sure... But I dont think Phili is on the same level. They just lack depth. They are the EC version of the Suns. 3 Max guys, 3-4 decent roleplayers and the rest of the roster will be scrubs... I see them on the same level as Cleveland, Orlando, or Milwaukee at best... if Embiid/PG can stay healthy
@DanxPSN412
@DanxPSN412 6 күн бұрын
Knicks fan here: Hartenstein is an amazing pick up but he did get killed in the playoffs vs Embiid and Myles Turner. I wouldn’t count on him to slow down Jokic at all. Mitchell Robinson was the much better Center for defending “big post up” centers But he is definitely going to help with OKC rebounding and is a very versatile offensive passer. Thunder will be a fun team to watch.
@nlnlouo487
@nlnlouo487 6 күн бұрын
then how about Hartenstein plus Chet
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
Hartenstein on the big with Chet lurking is a great combo. Knicks just had too many injuries to get past the Pacers ...
@DanxPSN412
@DanxPSN412 5 күн бұрын
@@randygraham926 yeah Chet roaming is going to be fun. I think Hartenstein as an “elite” defender is overrated. He’s a very good defender. I really am going to miss his offensive versatility the most.
@TheFutureEvents
@TheFutureEvents 7 күн бұрын
What do you use to get your analytics
@vonoiteuo
@vonoiteuo 5 күн бұрын
I became a thunder fan when i moved to edmond in 2001😂😂
@Devstaa
@Devstaa 5 күн бұрын
anyone who says that the anchor is a bad defensive rebounder instantly looses credibility. every nba analyst youtuber fails to understand that if you are contesting a shot your chances of rebounding are slim to none…
@rachelespiritu4215
@rachelespiritu4215 6 күн бұрын
Hartenstein is what a pro wants. He's what a pro needs.
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
I see the Thunder going to the finals if they're healthy. I think the Thunder should have kept Sengun -- one of Presti's few mistakes -- but Hartenstein is currently a better defender. Thunder clearly in win NOW mode with the Caruso and Hartenstein moves. (I'm a Denver fan but that franchise is going in the wrong direction, and Jokic can't win it by himself with an even weaker bench and the loss of KCP.) Thunder deserve a shot at a chip.
@ianconness11
@ianconness11 6 күн бұрын
Wild that when people try to project their starting lineup, it’s somewhat common for them to have Caruso starting over Dort. There’s not a chance in hell that Dort doesn’t start.
@chancejanssen190
@chancejanssen190 6 күн бұрын
It’s not a knock on Dort to have Caruso starting. Caruso is just a more well rounded and refined version of Dort and that’s mainly due to experience. Dort will get there but as of right now Caruso is the better player.
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
@@chancejanssen190 It's who finishes the game ... not who starts. I think Dort will remain as the starter just for continuity. Dort will probably get more minutes to save Alex from injuries, etc.
@chancejanssen190
@chancejanssen190 5 күн бұрын
@@randygraham926 did you not read the original comment I was replying to or did you just feel like yapping about something I’m not even talking about?
@300IQPUG
@300IQPUG 7 күн бұрын
my favorite black nba player
@uncklassboy180
@uncklassboy180 7 күн бұрын
pls cover the twolves draft picks 🙏🏿
@barryhoward7997
@barryhoward7997 6 күн бұрын
Great take. It makes me feel for NY. That's NY's fault. OKC is going top line smart again.
@GdnationNY
@GdnationNY 5 күн бұрын
Man i miss him already
@notkontentkid
@notkontentkid 5 күн бұрын
Dort, Dub & Caruso 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔒🔒🔒🔒🔒‼️‼️‼️‼️
@Vasco224
@Vasco224 7 күн бұрын
Bruh this team has to win at least 1 ring before they crumble
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 күн бұрын
If they don't pull a James Harden trade again, they should be ok.
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
They have 2 years now before the J-Dub and Chet Max extensions (we all agree both will get the Max, right?) kick in. Then this roster will be deep in the Lux Tax and also well over the 2nd apron. And Presti already said that they will not go over that 2nd line. Means in 2026 some changes need to be made. The great thing is they have so many picks, and Presti is (at least for me) the best GM if it comes to finding talent, that they should be able to find cheaper versions of some roleplayers. But 3 Max guys (one even Supermax) under the current rules is hard for any team, let alone a small market team like OKC... Ad the 26 mio of Hartenstein and its basically impossible to keep all the other roleplayers, who are not on a rookie contract, on the roster. Problem for my Mavs... we have basically the same window, just for other reasons. Kyrie/Klay getting old at that point and need new contracts, same as PJ and Gafford and on top Luka's Super-Super 60+ Mio contract will kick in in 2026 as well. So I am looking forward to some hard battles over the next 2 seasons with both teams being at the top of the West. After that? Its really hard to predict what will happen.
@thidonkgowe1685
@thidonkgowe1685 4 күн бұрын
Unless hartenstein can shoot the 3 well for us, j.will will certainly get action. He is an excellent rim protector on the floor (my guy can't jump 😅😅😭😭😂😂) platinum charge card badge and shoots the 3 awesome. But now his minutes can be more impactful because of the hartenstein minutes. So excited for this team. Thunder up!
@hungo7720
@hungo7720 7 күн бұрын
Hartenstein is a legitimate complement to the OKC defense especially rim protection.
@trapdj9352
@trapdj9352 7 күн бұрын
We need a cp3 spurs breakdown video
@nbapbaupdate8338
@nbapbaupdate8338 3 күн бұрын
OKC need pursue Jordan Clarkson to INSTANT OFFENSE coming off the BENCH
@chrisnipper8573
@chrisnipper8573 6 күн бұрын
So many experts are taking about Paul George and Klay Thompson, and rightfully so, but I think the Thunder Won the free agenct with these 2 Signings!
@guillermoalto4803
@guillermoalto4803 7 күн бұрын
I'd much rather have Caruso than Giddey. I think that the Bulls are thinking Lonzo isn't going to be the same again.
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
Caruso is a win now player -- that's all. Giddey may be great for the Bulls down the road.
@WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE
@WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE 6 күн бұрын
Caruso will be a game changer
@anthonycelestin3559
@anthonycelestin3559 6 күн бұрын
Who will come off the bench for OKC? Is it Caruso, J Dub, Hartenstein or Lu Dort? A hot take I have is to have J Dub come off the bench to give OKC that scoring punch off the bench and have a more defensive lineup in the starting unit
@sanket518
@sanket518 7 күн бұрын
Thunder need to trade dort for Jonathan Isaac or Deni advija as both are better rebounder and are able to guard 1 to 5 because of their height Thunder will only be a championship team if they pull of a trade for Isaac or Deni to replace dort
@freejae3884
@freejae3884 7 күн бұрын
When you say statistics you should specify whether the playoffs are included
@chancejanssen190
@chancejanssen190 6 күн бұрын
He did that in all of the stats he used this video
@jeremiahbesses9538
@jeremiahbesses9538 7 күн бұрын
Great points but Caruso isn’t a lock to start yet but hopefully he does
@vicentiklo
@vicentiklo 6 күн бұрын
Jwill was selected by the thunder to have that role offensively. 5 out doesn’t mean Everybody is a shooter. To me his playmaking from screens short rolls and dho is so crafty that keeps defense spread.
@ryanb7186
@ryanb7186 7 күн бұрын
I am not sure that Dort will lose his starting job to Caruso, although he probably should.
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
Dont think he should start. Dort is the younger (and healthier) version of Caruso. I think Caruso should be the 6th man of the bench and lead the younger bench guys. And who starts isnt that important anyways... who closes games is. And I am sure Caruso will be in the closing lineup.
@Fortune332
@Fortune332 7 күн бұрын
He can’t shoot 3’s. Dorts job is safe.
@ryanb7186
@ryanb7186 7 күн бұрын
@@Fortune332 Caruso shoots a better percentage from 3 than Dort, although Dort attempts more of them.
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
@@Fortune332 You don't know what you're talking about ... Caruso is 41% from 3 ... Dort is 39%. 🤣Do some research -- it's not difficult. But I expect Dort to continue to start ... just for continuity. Alex will come off the bench.
@Fortune332
@Fortune332 5 күн бұрын
@@randygraham926 Caruso shoots less 3’s than Dort. Dort is a bonafide 3 point threat. Caruso is a bailout 3 point shooter. He isn’t counted on to hit 3’s
@user-tc1oh2bu6f
@user-tc1oh2bu6f 6 күн бұрын
I wish IHart luck he gave the Knicks a great season.
@bokki4240
@bokki4240 7 күн бұрын
the four starters that are locked are shai, dub, dort, and chet I agree that is interchangeable but dort has always been a starter and probably will be. caruso has only started just this past year in his whole career
@LordAnt611
@LordAnt611 7 күн бұрын
Knicks fan here…. I hate that we couldn’t keep I Hart. He’s truly a beast on offense if you give him the minutes and correct play-style. Thibs didn’t fully understand how to use him until Mitch got hurt. I will say his unwillingness to put up 1-2 3’s a game is what hurts him the most. So many times he’ll be left alone at the top of the key which stagnates offense as someone is getting double teamed or Atleast shadowed
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
Surprised the Knicks did that Bridges deal and let Hartenstein walk. We'll see how that works. The other Knicks moves have been brilliant since they signed Brunson.
@LordAnt611
@LordAnt611 5 күн бұрын
It’s a give and take move, we didn’t have any wing defenders by Post Season. Bridges almost won DPOY a couple years ago. I Hart is great but also did get torched by Embiid in the 1st Round even with 1 Leg. We need another big, Mitch has proven not to be available for 60+ games a year and Post Season Run.
@audio8685
@audio8685 4 күн бұрын
He only had this "unwillingness" while playing for Thibs. How is it not obvious he wasn't allowed to do anything? On every other team, he did much more and had much higher advanced stats. It makes no sense to blame him for something the coaches did wrong, and it will show if OKC lets him play his game more.
@LordAnt611
@LordAnt611 4 күн бұрын
You talking about the Year he played with the clippers where he shot .4 3’s a game with a 46% make and averaged 5 Rebounds a game? Thats when he did more? It’s clear you didn’t watch the Knicks, advanced stats are great when you have no context to them. Mans played 25 min average and had more rebounds, tied his career high assists average and shot 64% from the Field. Not to mention once he started Knicks were better offensively and defensively. No other team could say they did better with I hart on the court which is why they let him walk
@audio8685
@audio8685 4 күн бұрын
@@LordAnt611 I watched every single Hartenstein game, including every single Knicks game watching RJ and Randle taking turns in bad iso after bad iso, which was the worst experience of my whole life, and I'm not even joking. Your take about other teams not being able to say Hartenstein made them better is as infuriating as it is stupid (no offense, I like you, but it's just stupid for real). You can watch the net rating or any stat, and it shows that he made literally every team better, including the Denver Nuggets. He literally made the Nuggets better with him than playing FUCKING JOKIC (for some reason KZfaq doesn't let me show links, I was trying to send links to his net rating and other stuff). You can also ask any fan if they would like Hartenstein back on their team, and literally no one would think twice. Every single franchise realized their mistake of letting him go eventually. And don't get me started on the stats because I could go on for hours. So I will just point out the most basic stuff for you to understand: As a Clipper, not only did he lead the NBA in 3P% for anyone with 30 or more attempts (which means he should shoot more, but they didn't let him do it in New York), but he also had a PER of 22, an AST% of 20.5, a BLK% of 5.4, a TS% of .664, and pretty much every advanced stat higher than as a Knick, because there his USG% was 18.4, which was much higher, so he was able to do more. As a Knick, he had a PER of 16.7, an AST% of 11.1 (damn, this was criminal), a BLK% of 4.0, a TS% of .623, and an USG% of 11.6 (one of the lowest in the whole league). Also, as a Cav, pretty much every stat was higher too. I know you are just a Knicks fan who doesn't know anything about Hartenstein and hears constantly the narrative of Thibs improving players, but he treated Hartenstein like he was Mitch and didn't let him do anything. That's why, even when he was still arguably the best Knicks player in terms of impact, the coaches didn't let him do anything and reduced his impact drastically. It wasn't him being unwilling to shoot; it was the role he was FORCED into, and he is telling us that in the new OKC interviews from today. And that's why the Knicks, just like the Clippers or Cavs, will miss out on winning the championships OKC will win, just because they were stupid and didn't let Hartenstein do his thing.
@abelcain945
@abelcain945 7 күн бұрын
Lou starts. SGA. Lou. Jay. Chet. I Hart. Caruso is a sixth starter... He'll play a lot. But like he's always been, he'll be a backup.
@Fortune332
@Fortune332 7 күн бұрын
If they move Chet to the 4. They maybe unbeatable
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 6 күн бұрын
It will be situational. Hartenstein will mainly backup Chet .... but Chet can play the 4 when facing certain centers in the league.
@IndigoJah
@IndigoJah 7 күн бұрын
Can’t be the only person that thinks this trade is going to change everything for them in a potential bad way.
@chancejanssen190
@chancejanssen190 6 күн бұрын
If you’re talking about Caruso I’m not sure how that would hurt them at all? He’s drastically better than Giddey at everything on the court besides passing. If you’re talking about Hartenstein he was a free agent signing and I don’t see how he hurts them either. He’s literally exactly what they needed against the Mavs and what they would need against other post heavy teams.
@IndigoJah
@IndigoJah 5 күн бұрын
@@chancejanssen190 we will see
@ThunderTalk
@ThunderTalk 7 күн бұрын
The Thunder won free agency and the draft
@MalyJoli
@MalyJoli 6 күн бұрын
Great video but caruso doesn't start tho, lu's their best POA defender, and OKC always starts their best POA defender
@abbyfarris5578
@abbyfarris5578 6 күн бұрын
Dort is starting over Caruso
@jaysantos9217
@jaysantos9217 6 күн бұрын
did you just say replaced giddey and JALEN WILLIAMS?!?!
@groovysmoothie8088
@groovysmoothie8088 6 күн бұрын
Jaylin Williams the big man
@Vasco224
@Vasco224 7 күн бұрын
They need another back up 7 footer
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
they dont...
@robertlee8302
@robertlee8302 6 күн бұрын
Yes yes yes, especially in case chet or Isaiah get injured. But we need a backup 7 footer that can DEFEND and shoot 3's. If you dont want your big man playing getting exhausted trying to get back to defend fast break situations, he needs to be able to hang at the 3 point line on offense. The Love for small ball will fade (is fading already) because taller is ALWAYS better as long as all other things like mobility are equal. Small ball beats slow lumbering big men all day every day. But a quick agile big that can shoot 3's is PRICELESS.
@justice4g
@justice4g 7 күн бұрын
he will start shooting 3s like he did at Clippers at near 47%
@dboii9741
@dboii9741 7 күн бұрын
We’ll see if I Hart and Chet can work together when they run 5-out that could be weird
@bryanbray6968
@bryanbray6968 7 күн бұрын
Chet has been training with KD a lot. I'm curious if he is going to try and model more of his offensive game after him. That would make him more of a 4 or small ball 5 as he develops.
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
Why should they run 5 out with both? You do know that 5 out isnt the only offensive system that can work, right?
@dboii9741
@dboii9741 4 күн бұрын
@@Smido83but that’s what they ran last year 5-out spread pick and rolls
@dboii9741
@dboii9741 4 күн бұрын
@@Smido83they LOVE to run that
@Smido83
@Smido83 4 күн бұрын
@@dboii9741 Cause they had no elite rim runner and screen setter. Now they have. Now they can run some classic P&R, dribble handoffs and of course still run 5-out. Hartenstein will not play 48 minutes... you know?
@conorwatchvidz
@conorwatchvidz 7 күн бұрын
IHart isn’t the best defensive rebounder because of how he commits on defense. He was a fantastic offensive rebounder (as most Knicks players become) because of Thibs offensive system. I don’t think he’ll be as good for OKC as he was for the Knicks but he’ll definitely help them.
@808bboarder
@808bboarder 7 күн бұрын
Don’t worry Chet is there to do the work
@bmillersince92
@bmillersince92 7 күн бұрын
lol it doesn’t work that way if your a good rebounder you don’t regress in rebounding like scoring
@deezosaintloyal
@deezosaintloyal 7 күн бұрын
@@bmillersince92 It does work like that. Look at Love’s rebounding numbers before cleveland and after
@bmillersince92
@bmillersince92 7 күн бұрын
@@deezosaintloyal he took less of a role lol he wasn’t getting the same amount of minutes and he was hampered by knee injuries he lost his spring
@conorwatchvidz
@conorwatchvidz 5 күн бұрын
@@bmillersince92if they wanna play 5 out then, yes, it does. IHart won’t be at the rim the get OREBs dawg
@Slimreaper505
@Slimreaper505 7 күн бұрын
Man you can’t compare Shaq & Jokic 1 shoots over you and scores , the Other went right through you and scored Shaq was a different Beast 🦍
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 күн бұрын
Rules were different too.
@rodprops
@rodprops 7 күн бұрын
through* (not threw)
@Slimreaper505
@Slimreaper505 7 күн бұрын
@@rodprops edited appreciate it 🫡
@traviscooper2955
@traviscooper2955 7 күн бұрын
So whos the starting 5 ?
@michaelbietsch2864
@michaelbietsch2864 7 күн бұрын
Man, absolutely FUCK the timing of this CBA. Teams in the West are making these amazing rules but the Nuggets are getting pegged and can't afford to keep our role players to compete. Second my team becomes good we get ripped apart
@shorewall
@shorewall 7 күн бұрын
I have been absolutely dismayed by the Nuggets losing key pieces. I want to believe in the young guys they're bringing in, but they won a chip! They are in Joker's prime right now.
@user-zz9nm7iu4q
@user-zz9nm7iu4q 7 күн бұрын
Any western teams loaded up to beat the Nuggets are welcome.
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
I said it 2 years ago, and even more last summer. The Porter Max is killing you! A small market team can not work over the 2nd apron. Your team shouldve tryed to break that contract up into at least 2 solid roleplayers last summer. Not sure they can do it now... But with his money on the roster, the Nuggets just have no chance to get a decent bench. My idea was Bogdanovic/Burks vs Porter to Detroit last summer. Bogdanovic could replace Porters role as a starter and high volume 3P shooter 1on1 and Burks wouldve been a good bench piece as well. He isnt Bruce Brown, but he is a solid 3&D guy who can also somewhat create for others. Now? I dont see a move like that...
@michaelbietsch2864
@michaelbietsch2864 7 күн бұрын
@Smido83 that works offensively, sure, but despite his terrible reputation as a defender, MPJ is extremely important for our scheme. His height and length are necessary to allow Jokic to play at the level of the screen, where he's at his best. Him and AG need to fly in the background to be effective. And offensively, even when his shot isn't falling, teams can't just risk him being open, we saw him miss every shot vs. the wolves, and they STILL had Mcdaniels drapped all over him. Being a small market that HAS to overpay market value to keep our role players sucks, but that's a reality that will always happen given how Jokic elevates teamates - inflating their value
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
@@michaelbietsch2864 Bogdanovic has a bad reputation as a defender, but as long as he doesnt have to be the POA defender, is is pretty decent. That being said, of course he is a bit smaller. On the other hand Burks can be a PoA defender off the bench, so overall the roster wouldnt loose much on offense and defense... BUT had they made the trade, KCP would still be on the roster right now... thats the point! Is MPJ alone worth as much as KCP+Bogdanovic+Burks? MPJ earns 36 mio Bogdanovic 19, KCP just signed for 21 in the 1st year and Burks just signed a vet min deal. Means a slight overpay and he mightve stayed as well (10/2 2nd year player option). So 45 Mio for 3 wings or 36 mio for one... btw the team would still be under the 2nd Tax Apron... Specially as a small market team you have to find the right moments to bank in on your assets. Denver did a great job getting Gordon and KCP for pennys on the Dollar. They missed the right moment with Porter when his value was at the peak.
@GreaterSociety
@GreaterSociety 7 күн бұрын
Knicks Fans in shambles 😢
@user-se2pi8ve5x
@user-se2pi8ve5x 7 күн бұрын
so why did the knicks trade him it kinda seems like they needed him
@HoopVenue
@HoopVenue 7 күн бұрын
They didn’t trade him, he left in free agency.
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 5 күн бұрын
They made the silly Bridges trade ... and Knicks couldn't pay Hartenstein enough.
@iguesss
@iguesss 7 күн бұрын
They need a tweener like Kuzma tho
@ctoaun23
@ctoaun23 7 күн бұрын
Ousmane Dieng breakout year incoming
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 5 күн бұрын
I wouldn't want Kuzma on my YMCA team.... 🤣
@MsJohnks
@MsJohnks 4 күн бұрын
He's not a great defensive rebounder because he blocks out all the time. So other guys on his team benefit of this. For example he's much better rebounder than Randle
@joeldriver-sp2rg
@joeldriver-sp2rg 7 күн бұрын
OKC got worse with the Giddey/Caruso trade but got better adding Hartenstein. That being said everybody needs to understand that Presti gave away Sengun and Lively who I think are both better players, specifically Sengun who averaged 21/9/5 last season and will be an all star at some point. Funny that nobody is talking about him giving that guy away. Presti is a phenomenal GM and doing an excellent job but he's not without his fair share of complete blunders and the worst of all time trading Harden.
@vicentiklo
@vicentiklo 6 күн бұрын
Sengun a cupcake come playoff time. Lively doesn’t fit okc system. Giddey is gonna break a lot of stadistical records but never win.
@joeldriver-sp2rg
@joeldriver-sp2rg 6 күн бұрын
@@vicentiklo LMAO. Sengun is going to be an all star. Lively was a huge part of why Dallas beat us. Do you know anything about basketball whatsoever??
@vicentiklo
@vicentiklo 6 күн бұрын
@@joeldriver-sp2rg you can be an all star during regular season and never win a chip. Lively makes sense with dallas style of play but not okcs.
@OliverWhale
@OliverWhale 6 күн бұрын
Sengun plays absolutely zero defense. Hartenstein is a better fit, even if hes not a better player. We got Wallace for Lively, who is also really good
@joeldriver-sp2rg
@joeldriver-sp2rg 5 күн бұрын
@@OliverWhale Dude are you serious? Sengun averaged 21/9/5 last year and will be an all star at some point. What are you talking about defense for?? LMAO There are very few players capable of those type of numbers so even if his defense is subpar clearly he would be a massive net positive game in and game out. Also, have you ever heard of player development and guys improving on defense? That's what coaching is for. Also if you put Lively on OKC last year they might very well have won it all and they most certainly would have gotten past Dallas. Lively is a big part of why they beat us. I'm glad they got Hart but let's not act as if Presti didn't screw up by giving away two guys that clearly he should have kept in the first place.
@michiganlover12
@michiganlover12 7 күн бұрын
KAT is a fake 7ft he’s like 6ft 10
@geezuschristcards
@geezuschristcards 7 күн бұрын
I get IHart was needed on for the lack of big men but IHart is gonna get smoked by Gafford 4x a year as well as Wemby lol. Remember Thibs made Zay who he is, without thibs we’ll see what he has to offer. Domas bro???? Come on
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
1st Gafford will not start next season. Lively will take over the starting C spot in Dallas. 2nd Dont underestimate I Harts mobility. Specially with Chet playing "free savety" as a help defender. OKC will be a real problem. on offense and defense. 3rd Thibs didnt even understand how good Hartenstein is, hence why he wasnt the starter to begin the season. Only after the Robinson injury he got it. And Hartenstein was still not used to the best of his abilities on offense. Cause Thibs is a great defensive coach and can motivate players extremely well. But offense really isnt his strengh.
@yourargumentisinvald
@yourargumentisinvald 7 күн бұрын
"Best post scorer since shaq plays in the west" - Ugh.. I'm not sure Embiid plays in the west tho.
@mr.kwamid-86_43
@mr.kwamid-86_43 7 күн бұрын
Not yet ;)
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
Jokic 6 post ups per game: freq 26%, 60.5% FG% Embiid 5.8 post ups per game: freq 19%, 56.5% FG% The difference was even bigger in 2022/23...
@randygraham926
@randygraham926 5 күн бұрын
Jokic is a better post scorer than Embiid ... look at the stats, babycakes. What is wrong with people? 😂 It's like their brain is locked up....
@johnrouguine3090
@johnrouguine3090 7 күн бұрын
Celtics in 6, i’m afraid
@Vasco224
@Vasco224 7 күн бұрын
They could’ve won 60 games if Shai didn’t get injured
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
lol... the Thunder were by far the healthiest team in the League last season. How much more injury luck do they need? The OKC starting 5 played 63 games together... name any other PO team with a starting 5 over 60 games. As a comparison: Minnesota 44 games, Boston 37, Indiana 25, Dallas 16 (after the trade) + 10 (before)... just to name the 4 conference finals teams. Want more? Denver 48, New York 10 (after the OG trade) + 12 and 14 before, Cleveland 28... so no other teams starting 5, that reached the 2nd round, even got to 50 games together. If anything, get ready for LESS injury luck. Cause that wasnt normal!
@Wrestle_Kingdom
@Wrestle_Kingdom 7 күн бұрын
@@Smido83this is such a stupid argument because you need luck to be able to win games that obvious also those teams have clear injury prone players on them how about they don’t build their team around players who get injured a lot
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
@@Wrestle_Kingdom Did you read the og comment? The Thunder had already the most luck out of all teams. And he said "IF SGA plays more games..." But ok... IF every Dallas rotation player had played 80 games Dallas wouldve won 60 games... great comment right? Makes complete sense! Look at the Kings. They were the healthiest team in 2022/23... reached the 3rd seed. This season they had normal injury problems... missed the playoffs. And none of their rotation guys is known as injury prone as well! So yeah, OKC was extremely lucky last season if it comes to injuries. And the OG comment talks about even more luck...
@Wrestle_Kingdom
@Wrestle_Kingdom 7 күн бұрын
@@Smido83 i understand the original comment and my argument is that injury luck applies for everyone so it stupid to criticize a team for having it because typically if your team is more healthy you win more games it that simple so his argument still stands if shai didn’t get hurt they probably win 60 games and if others team were healthy they probably win. Also the kings was the only example that still didn’t disprove my argument of the teams you named have injury prone players so I can’t criticize okc because they don’t get injured when teams like Dallas have guys kyrie on their team
@cmayy8317
@cmayy8317 7 күн бұрын
Psalm 23:4❤Jesus Christ is God😊
@KingKacey
@KingKacey 7 күн бұрын
First
@drek273
@drek273 7 күн бұрын
Last
@dannegondwe
@dannegondwe 7 күн бұрын
First one here
@JtheLionheart
@JtheLionheart 7 күн бұрын
7feet SG. Lol this takes his advantage away.
@madham93
@madham93 7 күн бұрын
He forgot to mention Jdub at the end saying that there starting 4 is solidified smh
@HoopVenue
@HoopVenue 7 күн бұрын
I said JDub!
@bryanbray6968
@bryanbray6968 7 күн бұрын
​@@HoopVenueDort is the 4th solidified starter. He has started since the later part of his rookie season and is an elite 3 pt shooter as well as an elite defender. So SGA, JDub, Dort, Chet and then either Caruso or Ihart based on what our head coach wants to prioritize. I think it'll be Ihart based on how lethal the Chet and Ihart combo will be on D and the offense will get worked out through the season.
@rodprops
@rodprops 7 күн бұрын
KNICKS SUCK BIG TIME FOR NOT RESIGNING MY SON I-HART!! 😡😡
@Smido83
@Smido83 7 күн бұрын
They couldnt. They offered him all the money they could. The OKC offer was just on a completely different level. Nothing they could do about it!
@rodprops
@rodprops 6 күн бұрын
@@Smido83 they signed Bridges instead of I-Hart 👎👎🤷‍♂
@Smido83
@Smido83 6 күн бұрын
@@rodpropsNo they didnt... are you stupid? NY could never offer him more then 78/4... not before the Bridges trade, not after.
@Kendones
@Kendones 7 күн бұрын
all this just to lose to Luka
@DaffyTaffy93
@DaffyTaffy93 7 күн бұрын
Luka won’t beat the thunder this season
@808bboarder
@808bboarder 7 күн бұрын
Lmao Kyrie Luka and Klay all trying to be on ball defenders?!? Too easy 😂
@denzel8827
@denzel8827 7 күн бұрын
bros account is dedicated to another man 😆get his d out ya mouth
@tyronerhodes6878
@tyronerhodes6878 7 күн бұрын
Agreed. I love what Dallas did this off-season. Thunder fans, it ain't enough....lol
@blakebelcher2787
@blakebelcher2787 7 күн бұрын
@@tyronerhodes6878thunder did more than dallas lol
@boris2997
@boris2997 7 күн бұрын
3 years 87 million is crazy overpaying
@bmillersince92
@bmillersince92 7 күн бұрын
You act like it’s your money!! Also it’s really not overpaying, he’s 25 years old Claxton got 4 years 100 million, this is 60 million for 2 years with a team option to get off the contract if he doesn’t work out, they can clear him off the books and sign Chet and dub, this is okcs all in for 2 years, while still having the young players develop into potentially superstars
@raihanakbar4346
@raihanakbar4346 7 күн бұрын
Not if you’re the thunder, they have this amount of cap space that needs to be spent or else it’ll go away in a few years
@bryanbray6968
@bryanbray6968 7 күн бұрын
All of our players are young and cheap until Jdub and Chet need rookie extensions. So they kind of matched Ihart to that schedule.
@javigar133
@javigar133 7 күн бұрын
Yes, but that is what the doctor ordered
@808bboarder
@808bboarder 7 күн бұрын
Weren’t the Thunder 3-1 vs Denver last season 🤔
@yvng.t3k807
@yvng.t3k807 7 күн бұрын
They didn’t play the nuggets goofy🤡
@accordingtodrew7302
@accordingtodrew7302 7 күн бұрын
They were but I think Denver wasn’t fully healthy for like 2 games…correct me if I’m wrong
@user-zz9nm7iu4q
@user-zz9nm7iu4q 7 күн бұрын
Good job beat the cocky Nuggets like the T-wolves in the playoffs. Enjoy game 7 Nuggets meltdown.
@joshuaharmening7750
@joshuaharmening7750 7 күн бұрын
Seems like the good teams are just getting better-Mavs, Thunder, 76ers. The Mavs/Thunder rivalry will be legendary for years to come. I'm still mad that Thunder got Caruso. Now Hart is another bad man.
@mattnoonan6519
@mattnoonan6519 7 күн бұрын
The Caruso signing would’ve been the best signing of our offseason, but adding Hartenstein is the best free agent signing we’ve ever had.
@kevinhuang6250
@kevinhuang6250 7 күн бұрын
You forgot knicks
@sanket518
@sanket518 7 күн бұрын
Thunder need to trade dort for Jonathan Isaac or Deni advija as both are better rebounder and are able to guard 1 to 5 because of their height Thunder will only be a championship team if they pull of a trade for Isaac or Deni to replace dort
@heisenberg3183
@heisenberg3183 7 күн бұрын
Klays washed Mavs got worse
@aidand918
@aidand918 7 күн бұрын
I'm so ready for next years playoffs and its barely July 😂
@notkontentkid
@notkontentkid 5 күн бұрын
Hartenstein will do the dirty work for Chet and bully/out physical the Wembys and Livelys….Chet can comfortably focus on being a bucket now…Chet can turn into KD now for OKC Shai is Harden Chet is KD this shall be fun to watch 📈📈📈📈
@johnrouguine3090
@johnrouguine3090 7 күн бұрын
Celtics in 6, i’m afraid
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