"I couldn't put Miracle over Topson" - N0tail, Gorgc, PLD & Grubby on Best Mid Player of All Time

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"I couldn't put Miracle over Topson" - N0tail, Gorgc, PLD & Grubby on Best Mid Player of All Time

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@DotaSeconds 10 ай бұрын

How would you rank JUST THESE 4 players as Best Mid of All Time? 1. 2. 3. 4.

@TelekinesisDotes 10 ай бұрын

Topson Miracle Sumail Nisha

@AlexMillerJPR 10 ай бұрын

Miracle sumail topson somnus

@DepthCharge 10 ай бұрын

1. Topson (2x TI maybe 3x soon) 2. Miracle (1x TI, 3x Major) 3. Sumail (1 TI) 4. ana (2x Major)

@FACTSONLY186 10 ай бұрын

Just Laning Mechanics, in their prime 1. Noone 2. Maybe 3. Sumail 4. Nisha 5. Miracle

@JosephYamanashi 10 ай бұрын

1. Nisha 2. Miracle 3. SumaiL 4. Somnus 5. Topson

@curiousmusician6313 10 ай бұрын

Miracle at his best was the best hybrid player. He's never been as good when stuck to a single role. Even when they won ti7 he always switched between pos 1 and 2, & I think that's why matu was the best teammate for him.

@elemenopi4827 9 ай бұрын

Matu carried his ass in liquid😅😂. Og miracle was peak miracle, best in the world no question, stomped all year long. He was ahead of the curve by a mile. But people caught up😢. Liquid miracle is meh honestly. Lots of bad positioning and decisions, it's like every body else got better and he just stunted.

@fuzzywuzzy0549 9 ай бұрын

@@elemenopi4827 Miracle is the only reason they own TI. Matu is the most overrated carry. all he did was picked green heroes and tank as Miracle did all the hard work.

@elemenopi4827 9 ай бұрын

@@fuzzywuzzy0549 matu broodmother? Troll? Syllabear? Matu solo carried his team so many times. You are thinking of ti8 where kuroky was drafting like shit and miracle was too afraid to mid forcing matu to mid. 😂😂 Get your facts straight noob. "Overated" Won 7 tournaments in a row with secret, what carry miracle do? Tell me.

@LesFreeZe777 9 ай бұрын

@@fuzzywuzzy0549 the green heroes made them win its a "4 protect 1" after all. go watch their games Miracle farms all the time even if he plays mid. and saying Miracle is the "ONLY" reason they won TI is BS when GH was not on their line up they fall down to division 2 lmao.

@rexcudiamat4854 10 ай бұрын

I cannot put topson at 1 since he is not a dominating midlane player. He is more of like a space creator and he is so good at it.

@Cokezero17 10 ай бұрын

Not being a dominant mid lane doesnt mean you cant put someone at 1 broda.

@pauldg913 10 ай бұрын

Most of the pub games ive watched, topson always lose mid. But i cant explain how he does it they still win 50% of the time.

@Cokezero17 10 ай бұрын

@@pauldg913 ofc u cant, ur shit.

@mateolopez6205 10 ай бұрын

So basically what a mid player should do💀💀

@rektl2036 10 ай бұрын

@@pauldg913he reads the game quite well on timing to gank. He makes 4 man feel like a 5 man . Lmao ironically him and rtz may work well since he will make so much space for rtz.. except rtz likes to give that gold over to the other side 😂

@zentumaisle5925 10 ай бұрын

Miracle in his prime was unarguably the best mid player, if not the best player in the world, probably the only player that didn't make any mistake or rarely make any mistake during his prime. Topson has the greatest achievement of winning 2TIs, an inventor that is the first person to play unconventional mid heroes but his results outside of TI is not that great. I would rank these two as top2 but I personally favor mirable a little bit more. Sumail and Nisha are undoubtedly top tier mid laners but they are not the same convincing as those two. They did make mistakes and underperforming some of their games during their prime and their achievement can't really compare to 2 TI

@Mije101-bz8ph 10 ай бұрын

Miracle was the weakest laner of all the players mentioned.

@mikeeey5835 10 ай бұрын

@@Mije101-bz8phlol weakest laner go ahead an watch how Ceb was impressed of miracle prime playing invoker in mid buying faerie fire at 5 minutes cause he already knew hes going to get ganked because players was so scared of him and still manages to kill 2 out of 3 heroes that ganked him

@Mije101-bz8ph 10 ай бұрын

@@mikeeey5835 lol some one off example doesn't mean he isn't the weakest laner when put against 3 other people who are in the discussion for best midlaner ever. I remember when No[O]ne used to shit on Miracle in the lane every time to the point that he'd make Matumba mid against him. Miracle is arguably the best player of those players that were mentioned in the comment I replied to, but his laning phase isn't what made him the best.

@riri2803 10 ай бұрын

@@Mije101-bz8ph +1 Miracle's best asset was his fast hands + insane mechanics. He usually shone in teamfights.

@levisamom5069 10 ай бұрын

I would give the best at his prime to sumail tho... He's had these long periods of time where he was legitimately the best player in the world... More so than miracle imo

@jsuisebfeu 9 ай бұрын

Best peak goes to Miracle, best longevity goes to Sumail imo, and biggest achiever is Topson. Depends on what you value the most

@sadeepaprabhasara9787 10 ай бұрын

If we are talking about their peak it’s Miracle > Nisha > Sumail > Topson

@almostshourd 3 ай бұрын

mofo go watch all nisha vs sumail mid matchups. sumail owns that ugly sht

@vander4818 10 ай бұрын

Hard tô say. Topson in 2019 was a beast, miracle in 2017 too. I feels bad when i remenber that he and GH became só less competitive over the years.

@elemenopi4827 9 ай бұрын

They dropped down to division 2, a team disband was long overdue, feel bad for MC and gh.

@jefflenderdelafuente-lh8bh 10 ай бұрын

DENDI’S PRIME dota 1 to 3 consecutive final appearance in T.I. If you know you know :--)

@Miquiya 10 ай бұрын

People shit on Dendi so much, even if he's not in his prime anymore he still has great reflexes and reaction times, plus he was literally the face of dota. Everyone cheered for him, he is by far the most charismatic player ever.

@jwentup8704 10 ай бұрын

Talking about prime I gotta go with these guys: 1.) Miracle (unmatched at mid during his prime and suma1l was the only one who could somehow even or outlane him for some time) 2.) Sumail (slightly ahead of topias and the most dominant and aggressive mid laner that pushes the limit of his hero) 3.) Topson (radical thinker and explosive player, flashy but cocky at times) 4.) Somnus (consistent, immovable object, only Paparazzi was on par with him in cn) 5.) No one (vp days this man was a monster, better than Nisha in his prime especially with ember and puck) Special mentions would be Nisha, Abed, Nine, and gpk

@olaguibel27 9 ай бұрын

Topson is the goat pos 2 player because he can do what a top tier mid player can: dominate lane, carry, etc., but what sets him from the rest is that at his peak (TI8,9) he always had massive impact in the game. Even when he got trashed in lane he made impactful plays through the map to ultimately win games.

@mashiiro_vlr 10 ай бұрын

I remember miracle's first appearance. Everyone is definitely surprised to his playstyle + insane mechanics. There was a match they won 4v5 coz his teammate got dced and cant comeback

@doja5321 10 ай бұрын

The difference is Miracle was both the best Mid & Carry at some point in his peak.

@odripads 10 ай бұрын

Topson is very good at what he does and i am the biggest topson fan BUT if we have to pick the most dominant, stable, and reliable mid laner we all have to say Nisha.

@bilguunbayasgalan8763 10 ай бұрын

All time ? No way He doesn’t even win it yet

@_hakuu3760 10 ай бұрын

@@bilguunbayasgalan8763that's like saying Somnus isn't a contender for one of the best midlaners because he hasn't won a TI

@crazymoron6727 10 ай бұрын

1.Gorgc 2.Notail 3. PLD 4. Grubby beat my list

@myron9731 10 ай бұрын

johnny sins

@sven6745 10 ай бұрын

Ohnepixel

@BFG-hv2ml 10 ай бұрын

5. Shrek 6. Prince Charming

@overactive8826 10 ай бұрын

Notail just sitting there thinking when he played with topson,miracle and s4...

@nomnom9992 Ай бұрын

And sumail

@karanjarwal6314 10 ай бұрын

Miracle > dota 2 all players ❤❤❤

@nethermir2169 10 ай бұрын

Watched a video awhile ago asking pro players who are the best midlaners and the same names are always mentioned: Sumail, Noone, Somnus. These 3 in their prime will consistently dominate mid.

@cruzmark4829 10 ай бұрын

Best Midlaner all time was between Sumail, Topson or Abed. Prime Miracle was probably the best hybrid player tho. Most consistent is Nisha.

@user-qi8gn6ry8q 2 ай бұрын

Miracle prime was a beast

@ysaleem7820 10 ай бұрын

The thing is theres a few great mid players but when topson is on form hes unmatched.

@elemenopi4827 9 ай бұрын

Pugna so useless. Earth spirit and primal 💪💪💪

@leonelpobre4731 9 ай бұрын

A lot of person debating who’s the best, and if their fave player is not in the list, they will get mad. What the hell, you can make your own video and post it in KZfaq.

@Nishaisthebestplayer 9 ай бұрын

1. Sumail 2. Nisha 3. Topson 4. Miracle 5. Somnus 6. Gpk 7. Larl 8. NTS 9. Quinn 10. Mikoto My top 10.

@weww1754 10 ай бұрын

Nobody can beat sumail prime, and no pro esports player comes close to sumail prime, and somnus probably among those greatest mid tho he has not won ti.

@shaheersabir6245 10 ай бұрын

So true

@cloudwalker679 9 ай бұрын

If i had to pick the "best player in midlane" it's definitely not Topson. But if i had to pick the "best midlane player" i have to go with Topson.

@c4n0 10 ай бұрын

They forgot midone and noone were the best at some point, with a 2017 miracle saying he didnt want to lane against them, while he was stomping everybody on lane

@BricklayerDreDOTA 10 ай бұрын

Sumail king of mid mechanically. Topson king of innovation Noone, somnus, ori around top 5. abed, quinn, armel aswell maybe

@Averymindset 10 ай бұрын

Lmao trying to sneak trash armel in there. You should watch gorgc stream. Noone think armel is that good except pinoy fan

@nenram.5786 10 ай бұрын

Abed should be in the conversation. Maybe not by achievements but by being consistent and solid most of the time. Remember he was the first 10k and 11k.

@Miquiya 10 ай бұрын

"You should watch gorgc stream" 💀

@miguelpanganiban7617 10 ай бұрын

Armel over miracle 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣😭😭😭 HELP THIS MAN

@BricklayerDreDOTA 10 ай бұрын

armel been best mid in sea for years and usually top 1 or top 5 in leaderboard. @@Averymindset

@ask_bankai984 10 ай бұрын

Only legends know about the real mid god.. Yaphets sama

@elemenopi4827 9 ай бұрын

It's a team game, he should play street fighter if he wants 1v1😂

@qwerty-bw3be 10 ай бұрын

i may have a crazy take Topson is one of the best mids but ive literally seen pro games where he was just getting owned in his prime i would definetely say if its not Sumail its Miracle i love topson but its very hard to say cause you cant just bring up that he won 2 TI... when he argueably had the best team in the history of pro dota

@nakirifannn1908 10 ай бұрын

He dominated in those 2 Ti's tho, Not just dominated, he even Inovated, BB mid, tidehunter mid as well, And not to say his clutch Diffu gyro. He's not that type to be flashy with his plays and combo with invoker, but the way he makes an impact passively and his different playstyle from other midlaners makes him deserving of top 1, As someone who tries to Understand how pro players play, Topson was one of the hardest for me to study, Other midlaners playstyle is straightforward, Rotate farm and kill with insane mechanical skill, But with topson its more like "help the team get a kill" and when topson comes its like he creates chaos in the teamfight that would rather force bkbs or reposition the team or force mass tps just to come help and those are the small plays that are not flashy but has a really huge impact

@qwerty-bw3be 10 ай бұрын

@@nakirifannn1908 true which is why im saying his up there with greats but its so hard to very much percise how of a good player he was cause his team was primally for him (agruably the best team in history of dota) ofcourse your gonna say he makes space and force bkb's you still cant ignore the fact he had a very good team that synchronizes well with him

@nakirifannn1908 10 ай бұрын

@@qwerty-bw3be Yea but leave the fact of the team behind, Just look at them indvidually, Watch their pubs or something.

@riri2803 10 ай бұрын

Topson Sumail NoOne The only answer. Miracle aint a better laner compared to those 3. Miracle shone in teamfights, not in the laning phase.

@kurodetaka3677 10 ай бұрын

Arguably the best midlaner maybe not topson but the most decorative midlaner of all time indeed is topson

@elemenopi4827 9 ай бұрын

Carried by cebs drafting and leadership. He ain't looking so hot in these other teams.

@mtj8525 10 ай бұрын

Picking Topson (mr any hero goes midlane) is high risk. unusual hero pool with unusual items.

@aasports8924 9 ай бұрын

Only liquid win against OG on ti9 was miracle on midlane

@kpppt 10 ай бұрын

So soy stack

@nuketurnal2 10 ай бұрын

whos stream is this? gorc?

@MarcoPolansky 9 ай бұрын

Sumail best midlaner. Won his lane almost every time and carried the game from mid a lot of times. Miracle is a close second cause he's more of a hybrid core. Topson best space creator. Does what his team needs even if it means sacrificing his game. Nisha.. he's behind Miracle and Sumail.

@dariuschoo8495 9 ай бұрын

Yeah even in TI8, the infamous OG run, people forget that Sumail Tiny almost won game 2 by himself Ended up throwing in classic Arteezy fashion (literally too lol)

@zainshahin3404 10 ай бұрын

When it comes to dominating mid sumail is the best, but dota is 5 player game not 1 so i go to miracle he is good in making space and finding a way to win

@venkata224 4 ай бұрын

Miracle literally beat Sumail, Topson, Nisha and others at mid most of the time

@alsangkula2841 10 ай бұрын

Topson got destroyed by somnus ti8 all games. They win because ceb and ana carried him. Topson is overrated

@WanNope 10 ай бұрын

Watch again bro, Somnus admitted the only person to beat him was Topson

@georgeallison6528 10 ай бұрын

@@WanNope even if that's correct. Somnus at least won vs 10 other midlaners. Topson could lose to any mid

@WanNope 10 ай бұрын

@@georgeallison6528 i guess thts the beauty of midlane. Theres no proper "best midlaner", different midlaners offer different skillsets

@icymaru00yue 10 ай бұрын

Because topson play style is not pure mid, he's space creator for his carry

@hi_jo_suevelasco2806 10 ай бұрын

@@icymaru00yuehow can a lane losser make space better ? It was ceb who created the space during those times. Topson redeemed himself at TI9.

@limpeh845 9 ай бұрын

top 5 midlaner: miracle, nisha, topson, sumail, me

@kowshikmareedu3643 10 ай бұрын

Why do they bring this up every time when Sumail is the best pos2 ever who could not only just win lanes but also could just win the games, Sumail's competition was only None, Miracle and Somnus which he edges then out

@betsan5832 10 ай бұрын

pld already said the name.. MAYBE

@user-id4ho5wm3q 10 ай бұрын

we got s1mple the goat of csgo like no one ever beat him talking about prime, then in dota2 obviously it has to be miracle without a doubt

@nemanjakocica4840 10 ай бұрын

Dendi the end

@bhaskarbora7752 10 ай бұрын

Why isn't Somnus, Midone or Noone on the list? People like Somnus or Noone literally beat Miracle mid

@beblessed1030 5 ай бұрын

topson is genius though

@D4rkAv3nger 10 ай бұрын

Dendi plays HoN?

@RiwzEnkAz 10 ай бұрын

IN 2022-2023 I THINK MIKOTO SHOULD TOP 3

@bayusantoso7558 10 ай бұрын

No one best midlaner in 2017 everyone ware scared of him

@JohnSmith-ky8um 10 ай бұрын

No Mikoto? Sad man..😢

@onaelz 10 ай бұрын

😂

@vanlloydfamularcano2782 10 ай бұрын

Mirakol namba 1

@Arman_OG 10 ай бұрын

I Dont Know 🤔

@castordemonyo13 10 ай бұрын

not winning the game or tourney but dominating in mid u forgot Abed

@koliaphan 10 ай бұрын

Dendi and topson share top1 spot. Dendi reinvented mid and all the other midlaners technically all learned from dendi.

@filipmastis7518 10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Miquiya 10 ай бұрын

@@filipmastis7518 oh hi 2k

@fuzzywuzzy0549 9 ай бұрын

Dendi? lol

@Itzy-nz5if Ай бұрын

wtf. hahahhhahhaha. I really respect dendi. he is a living legend. but if we are talking best midlaners. he is not on top 5 😅

@kyoggaPH 10 ай бұрын

Nisha. He's won so many tournaments as a midlaner, just not TI. People forget TI is just like a tournament like any other, just with a bigger venue and prizepool.

@korg2378 10 ай бұрын

Your argument doesn't make sense. If Michael Jordan didn't win 6 championships he wouldn't be the GOAT that he is right now. The biggest tournament has the biggest pressure and that is where the legends are born.

@FACTSONLY186 10 ай бұрын

Well, in that case Maybe and Noone are above nisha

@nvidia980 10 ай бұрын

Pignoy spotted 0 IQ comment 😂😂😂

@nvidia980 10 ай бұрын

@@korg2378what do you expect from pignoys comments 😂😂😂

@jankolec7053 10 ай бұрын

no, ti isnt like any other tournament. im 100% sure nisha would swap all his major wins plus those 8 won 3:0 tournaments in a row for one ti 2021 win. btw riyadh is new ti

@HoxtenBoyz 10 ай бұрын

Noone

@ChaseMe2TheSky 10 ай бұрын

Disgusting WEU bias once again. Noone and Somnus not even in consideration? While Nisha the 0 trophy guy is?

@williamalexander9463 10 ай бұрын

Bruh nisha won as much as no one if not more

@ChaseMe2TheSky 10 ай бұрын

@@williamalexander9463 lmao, I must have missed all those Major victories

@Miquiya 10 ай бұрын

gorgc is in the mix, of course there's going to be blatantly terrible opinions

@williamalexander9463 10 ай бұрын

@@ChaseMe2TheSky yes you are weird guy, chonging major, paris major ? Beat no one in the finals too lmao

@8626918 10 ай бұрын

Talking about bias, what about 430, Mushi and our other Asian brothers?

@cian8531 10 ай бұрын

1. Nisha 2. Topson 3. Sumail 4. Abed

@Averymindset 10 ай бұрын

Pinoy tring to sneak trash abed in there lmao. Abed best ti placement = 9-12th btw

@cian8531 10 ай бұрын

@@Averymindset Fair enough. Thinking about it probably pinoy bias. Somnus>Abed if that's the case.

@owmyballs2087 10 ай бұрын

I cannot put gorgc as #1 dota streamer. Sure he has made a lot of clickbait drama with other streamers, and I know arteezy used to stream for a while. No, no I think Rostik has got to be #1 dota streamer. Kappa.

@sherzodbeksotiboldiev8647 10 ай бұрын

1.Noone Vp 2. Nisha 3. Sumail 4.Topson

@drobert1741 10 ай бұрын

I've been playing Dota for 20 years and watching it for 10. Sumail is the best mid laner in the history of the game. His ability to zone his opponent out of the lane and harass/dominate side lanes was unmatched. Also highest APM player I believe. Maturity issues and Fly derailed his career. Fly didn't want a muslim on the team.

@InJunoWeTrust 10 ай бұрын

Is that really the truth? Crazy if so. Them Israelis damn

@drobert1741 10 ай бұрын

Yes. Bulba also a putrid drafter. When Sumail threw that TI against OG by tossing RTZ into thrown the team never recovered. They were literally 30 seconds from TI Grand Final and Sumail threw the game. @@InJunoWeTrust

@vincentlaurent1397 10 ай бұрын

Stop spitting hoax, fly was the one who build first version of talon and recruiting mikoto, and he is muslim. Even more religious and tedious than sumail.

@Ivan-xg1hx 10 ай бұрын

Why would this mtfk bring religion to Dota, what a loser…he must be a muslim himself judging from how he said Fly doesn’t want a muslim

@vitakulaa 10 ай бұрын

propaganda is free here