The fact that it wasn't even a trained referee who was first to notice the mistake as well😭

@@fivestarman5130 Its the point though, its probably someone who has been trained in technology and how it is used. Not a ref thats been put in a position he shouldn't be.

PL needs more untrained refs than trained.....

Everyone is right when they say technical nerds should run var alone

@@fivestarman5130lad exactly that!

Those guys in the VAR booth don't reassure me of the future. They sound amateur

I was waiting for a Scouse to come out with the "if they can do this to us, they can do it to you" Guess what, they have already been doing it to us for decades but we didn't get an emergency meeting at the UN or COBRA special measures.

@@mikezappaso what do you want exactly, besides a quick moan?

Right

​@@mikezappabecause other clubs didnt take it this far, they coukd have but chose not to. That's exactly WHY its gotten this bad, because no one ever holds the PGMOL to account.

You nailed this statement 🎉

That's not how rules work.

@@SanxBile Except it's exactly how rules work, there are always exceptions. When you make a mistake of this magnitude in the best league in the world, with potentially 100s of millions of pounds at stake, you fix it even though the official rules say you can't. Literally no one would complain about the rule being "broken", because it's just common sense to correct the mistake.

​@@northpaul707yeah do the right thing lose your job and you can't provide for your family but at least you did the right thing according to football fans 😂

@northpaul707 I wish that was the case, it just isn't. The outcome of high stake situations are rarely decided by common sense.

no deffinetly ima lfc fan and this is why i listen to mark

Same. At some point we all have to fight to protect football on a level deeper than clubs.

I’m also a LIV fan & I find all my news here.. keep it up

Mark can be biased to us at times but other than that he's a living legend

Yeah I'm a scouser and lfc supporter and he has respect and talks sense

EXACTLY!! like god the replay operator was the only sane one over there and they just disregarded him?? If they would’ve just put their egos aside and let him talk then this whole situation wouldn’t have happened

The worst part, on the screen they showed while using the 2d lines. It said disallowed goal check - offsides Their story doesn't line up with the facts. I hope Liverpool continue with their actions

@@eiler1987 Glad someone else is pointing this out here! It’s maddening! The tech guy sees the on-decision is clearly offside before the check. Everyone in the stadium and the commentators see it being given as offside. It’s on the screen banner which all the VAR can see. It is NOT PLAUSIBLE they believed it had been given. All the details suggest otherwise and people are taking it at face value because they sound like idiots. But when the replay operator says it had been disallowed, he needs to repeat himself over and again to a AVAR who’s playing dumb and making bizarre statements in response like “offside, goal, yeah”. Do their eyes and ears and mouth not work properly? They start becoming much clearer and matter-of-fact when justifying a non-intervention, but can’t understand nor issue clear statements before the fact.

Apparently, he's the only one who isn't a 'trained' referee... Says it all!

Absolutely agree with you

the fact that michael oliver was the one making the most sense here is shocking

‘There’s nothing I can do’ bro thought he was Napoleon😭

​@@richierichie1332not really surprising tbh. He's always been near universally considered the best referee in the PL. Not because he's exceptional, more than he's the best out of an awful bunch

@@richierichie1332 that’s what I’m saying says a lot about this officials

he wasnt a var or ref just the tech guy lol

He clearly saw it, but didn’t clearly shout “ON SIDE!” or “no, what are you doing?! it’s a GOAL!” He just said really quickly “on”. What does that mean? Play on? On we go?

He’s the one who realised the mistake first, perhaps because he’s the replay guy and can see they’ve restarted the game before the VAR and AVAR

You mean reply operator?

​@@themadmoderator8465Still better than those two clowns who were on Var

It wasn't a mistake, it was match fixing....

@@nicolasnicolas3889as much as I’d agree, it’s so hard to prove

The whole world is against them. Always the victim ​@@nicolasnicolas3889oh, poor Liverpool.

@@nicolasnicolas3889lol

Huh? Match fixing. Joel Matip was in on it?

"Let's toss a toin. Heads, it's onside. Tails, it's off..."

@@LetMeEat-KalvinPhillipscoss a toin? toss a coin?

sure you wiuld get it right lol not

​@@Phat88Tonyno cos I'm not a trained professional

Hotel, ticket, trivago

This is a distraction. There was no intent to award Liverpool a goal. They knew what they were doing

@@Four_rl Nice conspiracy, they were just incompetent...

⁠@@notaspeck6104that’s why they were in Saudi the day before . Also it’s a theory not a conspiracy

Absolutely what a joke!@@Four_rl

As a united fan I take great pleasure in your clubs shortcomings but this wasn't right

this is the same company for all sports mentioned. it’s the crap officials feeling sorry for themselves that their jobs aren’t as important anymore not allowing tech to be implemented as fully as it needs to be to be successful

And literally nobody supported that decision.

The was about a season or two ago pal. Pretty old history there. Not sure why you named dropped united in there other then. You know the obvious

@@spookystorytime2774 especially since those are two completely different situations

@@spookystorytime2774 dont get defensive mate, all they meant was that VAR could've done something after realizing their screw up

@@gabrielhicks8043 also I agree VAR should have delayed the game and made the right decision. Not disagreeing on that

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they probably playing fortnite on on VAR montors

@@fabbulous2 aw hell naw they out here cranking 90s on Liverpool

It does make you wonder what VAR can and can’t see. The replay guy realised the mistake first. Maybe he could see the live pictures of play restarting before the VAR. Who knows

@@fabbulous2That’s exactly what’s happening, sitting there twiddling their thumbs drinking cups of tea earning easy money.

If this happens to united I would feel for united. This is about the integrity of the game. Rivalries aside!

@@sushipizza4439 🙌🙌

Aye things like this are just beyond team allegiance and everyone should be behind calling it out for how insane it is

We all like seeing goals scored. It's was a nice goal. It's why we all watch the game. I'd feel the same for every team.

@@86Brasco Change hopefully will come now 🙏

Nah, nah the rp operator said Are you happy with the image we give them? He is not the good guy here. Remember there were no lines on the image for a reason

​@ingogotico1398 he didn't draw the lines because he thought they weren't needed. He asked if they were happy with the decision on field because in var they reached a different conclusion. The replay operator didn't do anything wrong

Assistant VAR comes our worst I reckon. Just agrees with whatever anyone tells him like a mug. “Offside goal, yeah”. What?

EXACTLY!

Assistant VAR said "Offside goal yeah" 🥴

I agree, that "Check complete" should be followed by "GOAL" or "NO GOAL"

and that is so simple, literally something a programmer with 1 day of experience can make

@@Azzazz1n97 We are dealing with football authorities, so logic goes out the window with these clowns.

The banner read “disallowed goal” and check for offside. The commentators and everyone knew that the goal had been disallowed before the check. Those in VAR knew what happened to that point. VAR and AVAR played dumb, were intentionally vague up until the point of refusing to correct the decision. The replay operator seemed entirely baffled and had to repeat himself verbatim multiple times, as though VAR’s eyes and ears had stopped working whilst everyone else could understand what was happening; that is absolutely not normal and seemed very intentional.

I agree, VAR should have said their decision. Check complete is onside/penalty/foul/etc.

he even says the word Off at the end of his sentence

​@@bleepfakesLet's see if Mark mentions this at some point, not holding my breath!

Sorry but what would you have liked them to refer it as, I've never heard someone said 'checking the onside'

Exactly. What's more, he was the first saying "possible offside, Diaz". Assistant referee wanted to give a goal. This stinks.

So the PGMOL statement was a big fat lie. "VAR failed to intervene" they said in the statement. That's bs

Not really. VAR is contentious.

Unfortunately I doubt Spurs would have agreed to that when it was 0-0

@@jimmybloxham3434idk if they would or wouldn’t but it would be asking a lot of them

Creasing about the medication bit 😂😂

VAR hasn't made anything worse, still more right calls than wrong. The issue is with idiotic refs that don't know how to use technology. There should be processes in place to confirm a call being made, they should repeat out the full decision and ensure it's correctly understood before making it final.

And zero accountability.

the people they put in var have zero training being a ref on pitch and a video ref are two different skill sets. they should have took retired or nearing retired officials to train as var officials

@@themadmoderator8465 Anybody could do that job mate, any level of education litrally anybody could do VAR no problem at all.

Opportunity for them to use taxpayers’ money to pump more finances into “improvements”

Apparently IFAB rules prevent it and only allows it in a few limited circumstances.

because pedantry is more important to refs than common sense and fairplay

Stupid rule overrides common sense style of works, typical for liberals governing body. Add bunch of monkeys on the jobs, and you have this outcome. That, or someone genuinely rigged the game.

​@@kinginthenorth5267 IFAB rules also say when a valid goal is scored, it is counted. The rules were already broken before.

Nobody disputes whether it was a goal or not. The problem is why it was not awarded

​@@paulmartin9194Because they are corrupt and didn't want Liverpool to be given the goal

​@@SuperMillhillyou scousers think everything's corrupt and against you. People are in roles they are too incompetent for in every walk of life whether it's refs, police, army, doctors, lawyers there's useless people everywhere.

​@@SuperMillhillbro I'm LFC, and I don't think it's a conspiracy against us bc they are fully stupid in every game

​@SuperMillhill it's not corruption, this could happen to any team... It's just shocking it happens in big games like this. It shouldn't even happen in the first place in a league like the prem. I'm glad it's getting the lime light like it is, I just wonder if it happened against a team like Luton or Sheffield would it be getting this much attention.

how? cos the arabs say they can, that's how.

"Intentionally played dumbed". Exactly. They are not as dumb as they wanted to be seen.

They don't want to

Not even football as a whole, but the prem league... Uefa hasn't had this problem, hell the Qataris even had a pretty tidy use of VAR at the WC.

​@@jamesjenkins8364True. The prem is the problem

Agree.. he is the true football fan..

"CAN'T DO ANYTHING! "

Chef: John, you've pissed in the soup! Put it down, don't give it to the customers! John the Waiter: Can't do anything.

To be fair the equivalent scenario would be a penalty not being given by VAR then later they see it is a penalty and stop the game to award it. Don't think I've seen that happen and the current rules seems to not allow it. Terrible rule in my opinion, just use common sense.

​@bobcg100 the rules allow it. If the situation was analyzed and decided on. They can't re-review the situation. So if a Pen was what they said to be given and the ref didnt. They would not be doing as review. Ofcourse refs aren't bright enough to understand their own rules

Hold on why should a united fan be in power?

Same here mate

It's still not good enough, they're still complete morons who can't think critically and get buried under protocol and bureaucracy. To hell with it. Just shout into the refs ear: "STOP THE GAME IMMEDIATELY. THAT WAS A GOAL." Sure they get a slap on the wrist for breaking the rules, but who cares, it's a stupid rule anyway. And can you imagine the credit they'd be getting for preserving the integrity of the game? Instead all 4 of those fools decided to stay silent and in the process ruined their reputations.

Im a spurs fan but i was confused about it, but they followed the rules properly, they just thought they were making a different decision. I also want to ask if the reaction would be this severe if it was spurs who were robbed of a goal instead. I dont think it would, i think the general reaction would be that its 'typical spurs'. So while i do feel sympathy, i do feel it is a sort of justice as liverpool have benefited more from var mistakes than any other team since the introduction of var. The problem is that var is being operated with pre var rules. That is why they cant go back after a decision is made. Because pre var rules say that officials cant go back and change decision after. The rules should have been adjusted to allow more chance to go back and change incorrect decisions.

@@flakygaming2647 Don't know if it would have been the same reaction, but it should be, no matter which team would have been affected by it.

I blame leadership and rule makers. They have put refs in bad place. Mistakes will happen and they do not allow any way to retract mistakes.

@@flakygaming2647 How can you say they followed the rules properly if they didn't even know what the on field decision was? And I think you're wrong to suggest that the reaction from the masses would have been any different were this to happen to Spurs. This isn't an issue of tribalism; this cuts deeply into the integrity of the process we as fans are told to trust, and everyone can feel it equally. Everyone not peddling an agenda thinks, "This could happen to my team next," and they will fight against it. We can't let tribalism stop us from holding the PGMOL to a professional standard.

Let's face it, no one is gonna want England reffing one of their games again in future. At the best a numpty, at the worst corrupt. Kudos to the replay operator though. The only one doing their job well.

Do you mean one of the most luxurious places to go visit?

Gatekeeping at it's finest

He's such a wet lettuce

check complete means fack all. They could be checking the menu for supper for all we know. PRATTS.

Or GOAL or NO GOAL

There’s no need for “check complete”. Just give us the verdict.

Yep, this. The 'chaos' heard is the smokescreen they use to manipulate decisions, games, and, (dare I say it?), titles

@@b8nnytez Absolutely. What a shame

Finally found a comment I agree with. Saddest thing is most fans and including Liverpool fans still thinks it’s just so called error, shambles or whatever brainwashed word that takes away from its reality. Corruption and match fixing.

Big $ at stake. Especially this game.