'I DON'T LIKE WHAT HE DID TO DARVIN HAM' 🗣️ - Stephen A.'s UPSET with AD's comments! | First Take

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12 күн бұрын

Stephen A. Smith, Brian Windhorst and Tim Legler join Molly Qerim on First Take to react to Anthony Davis' postgame comments about coaching, following the Lakers' Game 2 loss to the Nuggets.
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@chirlasai439
@chirlasai439 10 күн бұрын
I don't like how the media treats Darwin ham. They treat him like he did no wrong. He has been a bad coach the past 2 seasons. It doesn't take a basketball savant to know he is a bad coach.
@ratcomedy
@ratcomedy 10 күн бұрын
Idk I think Stephen a made a good point… they’ve only lost to the nuggets. They can beat every other team in the league
@sumit7064
@sumit7064 10 күн бұрын
​​@@ratcomedywe don't know that. It's basically a flip vs Clippers, OKC and Mavs. All 3 of these teams can beat them in a 7 game series
@poppasmurf3670
@poppasmurf3670 10 күн бұрын
@@ratcomedyhe’s saying it because he’s a decent coach but being a decent coach when your team want to win a championship isn’t good enough. Give Spolstera this team and they don’t lose that 20 pt lead.
@J4gv
@J4gv 10 күн бұрын
@@ratcomedyA good coach doesn’t lose to the same team 10 times in a row, especially a 20 point lead in the second half, one of his main issues is that he doesn’t understand when to use his timeouts, Malone will see the lakers score b2b and call a timeout, darvin will let the nugget go on a 17-6 run before he thinks about calling a timeout
@chirlasai439
@chirlasai439 10 күн бұрын
@ratcomedy if u watch the games u know it's because of LeBron and AD carrying. I mean this coach uses a lineup with 4 guards in it. What more do u need to say he is bad.
@luny2nez281
@luny2nez281 10 күн бұрын
Nobody talks about how the Nuggets went on a run and no timeout happened
@tadeokrzos2550
@tadeokrzos2550 10 күн бұрын
😂😂 exactly what in the world. How are you not taking a timeout after the lead was cut down under 10 lmao!!! A good coach like spo would have taken a time out at 15 cause he knows how dangerous Denver is and how hot they can quickly get to cut a 10 point lead just like that.
@user-os8gq3zx8k
@user-os8gq3zx8k 10 күн бұрын
These tv basketball analysts say the dumbest shii
@willbanks2085
@willbanks2085 10 күн бұрын
there was a time out in the 3rd
@rockotv5149
@rockotv5149 10 күн бұрын
EXACTLY hands in his pockets the whole time
@rikogreen7596
@rikogreen7596 10 күн бұрын
Exactly, this is why I have eastablished a hate/love for these shows. The guy is not doing a good job. No Chill Gill been roasting him all year. No timeout, No real adjustments. Gabe or Dinwiddle should have been on Murray. Lebron stayed on Jovic because he was getting all his point on Ad and the smart choice was to put Ad on Murray but Ad didn't take the assignment seriously and should have crowded his space immediately, forcing him to pass. If they were to make it pass Denver and win a chip, It will be of no help from Darvin.
@cristiannavarro8295
@cristiannavarro8295 10 күн бұрын
It’s not a lack of preparation, it’s the lack of in-game adjustments, utilizing timeouts/challenges, & maximizing his players .
@rado22
@rado22 10 күн бұрын
AD is the only reason Lakers have been competitive in this series. Otherwise it would be two blowouts. He can say whatever he wants.
@tmc31390
@tmc31390 10 күн бұрын
Facts.
@derrickcrumpton3165
@derrickcrumpton3165 10 күн бұрын
BS you can't have the most points in a game through 3 quarters and in the 4th take 1 shot and yall lose by a shot or 2.
@LumenOw
@LumenOw 10 күн бұрын
@@derrickcrumpton3165the coach can call a timeout and talk things over if they wanted to run things thru AD in the second half. Instead Darvin saves two timeouts to take home with him.
@sonnyjason2
@sonnyjason2 10 күн бұрын
Facts
@Starfrm06
@Starfrm06 10 күн бұрын
He can say what he wants, when he’s been consistently putting up numbers and the team isn’t helping he has every right to criticise
@dannyc8900
@dannyc8900 10 күн бұрын
I don’t think anybody in the lakers’ front office knows what they’re doing tbh
@jaebarnes
@jaebarnes 10 күн бұрын
Same could be said for every NBA team other than Nuggets then. That's the only team that beat the Lakers. 🤷🏾‍♂️
@monkeyrc7541
@monkeyrc7541 10 күн бұрын
I agree, ever since they signed LeBron.
@phantomdancer3279
@phantomdancer3279 10 күн бұрын
@@jaebarnes coming from a lakers fan and i have to say no because this duo they had easily had potential of 2 3 maybe 4 championships...mother fuckers for 4 years straigh tbuilt 0 shooting around two paint dominant players, they never got a pointguard to replace rondo for a big man like ad. they had options to get guy like ty lue,kyrie irving,laurie markennan and bojan bogdanovich yet they stood pat, absolutely horrendous job done with our championship window.
@212keith
@212keith 10 күн бұрын
@@monkeyrc7541they won a ring signing bron moron teams are still praying they go to a finals let alone win
@juanthompson8016
@juanthompson8016 10 күн бұрын
Speaking straight facts💯.No Diddy
@travissmith6380
@travissmith6380 10 күн бұрын
Maybe Darvin Ham besides being a NICE GUY isnt a good coach. He never seems to make in game adjustments. He just goes out there with the game plan and Win or LOSE sticks to it. That doesnt work in the Playoffs
@ariestonsantos
@ariestonsantos 10 күн бұрын
What adjustment do you want him to do? You have a 40 yr old who play defense part time, a center that is as soft as cotton candy, and guards that no teams ever want 🤷
@terrycools6731
@terrycools6731 10 күн бұрын
​@ariestonsantos stop hating. With all that and horrendous coaching the Lakers have almost won every playoff game against them the last 6 times. So yea....some decent coaching with lineups and adjustments and timeouts.....Lakers win both the last 2 games
@travissmith6380
@travissmith6380 10 күн бұрын
@@ariestonsantos tell me you don't know ball without saying you don't know ball
@maxkamper7451
@maxkamper7451 10 күн бұрын
If you don't respect the coach then u are garbage..
@ariestonsantos
@ariestonsantos 10 күн бұрын
@@travissmith6380 prove me I'm wrong?
@domolargo
@domolargo 10 күн бұрын
I love how the media picks & chooses when to blame a coach lmao.
@sonnyjason2
@sonnyjason2 10 күн бұрын
3 clowns
@xavianhayes61
@xavianhayes61 10 күн бұрын
Thank u
@Earl_E_Burd
@Earl_E_Burd 10 күн бұрын
skin color is an important unstated factor
@mcevensbien-aime4558
@mcevensbien-aime4558 10 күн бұрын
Yuppppppp
@roycemackin86
@roycemackin86 9 күн бұрын
Yall blame Ty lue, Luke Walton, Darvin Ham who’s next
@upgr8king
@upgr8king 10 күн бұрын
Should have NEVER been hired PERIOD . Zero ADJUSTMENTS
@Starfrm06
@Starfrm06 10 күн бұрын
Thank God Someone with a brain
@ShawnReed-ny1hd
@ShawnReed-ny1hd 10 күн бұрын
So why not keep Luke Walton or frank Vogel and stfu
@conradgil621
@conradgil621 10 күн бұрын
I get the no adjustments but if LeBron and AD are those dudes win the game
@TheBmills415
@TheBmills415 10 күн бұрын
​@@Starfrm06 How many coaches have LA had since LeBron? Maybe he's hard to COACH
@kratos2105
@kratos2105 10 күн бұрын
Here go the scapegoat blaming
@FlyWithMe_666
@FlyWithMe_666 10 күн бұрын
“Darvin Ham is only in his 2nd year in the NBA!” - never heard the “Steve Nash is only in his first year in the NBA!”-excuse from Stephen A when the Nets stuggled. There it was used against him.
@caiocomarella4691
@caiocomarella4691 10 күн бұрын
Nash is white thats why
@fredm.2699
@fredm.2699 10 күн бұрын
Darvin was an assistant coach for 14 years before he was a coach…being a coach vs an assistant coach are two different things…steve nash was an assistant coach for ZERO years. Went straight from basketball to kayaking to coaching a super team.
@User-xv1fu
@User-xv1fu 10 күн бұрын
Ham worked his way up in the coaching ranks Nash just skipped all that and became a coach
@dspbx718
@dspbx718 10 күн бұрын
@@User-xv1fuand Nash was super trash.
@SojiRo23
@SojiRo23 10 күн бұрын
Try listening to the rest of SAS’s point.
@Blackmagic_874
@Blackmagic_874 10 күн бұрын
SAS doesn’t watch games. Darvin Ham literally might be the one of the worst coaches in the NBA. If you actually watch the games and have seen him in huddles, he’s horrible. Lakers win in spite of him and not because of him.
@5plus4
@5plus4 10 күн бұрын
ITS BECAUSE OF LEBRON YOU FOOL
@TheStrawThatStirsTheDrink
@TheStrawThatStirsTheDrink 10 күн бұрын
Stephen A doesnt know the technicalities and the X's and O's of basketball. He has tim legler, windy, and former players with high Bball IQ (Not Perk) to get his basketball talking points from. For the most part SAS is a big market team, Warriors and Klutch Sports hype man. He only knows how to read PPG (Points per game) and how popular and athletic you are. thats it. He wouldnt know anything about scouting players individually or team metrics.
@EventualRoads
@EventualRoads 10 күн бұрын
They could've gotten Nick Nurse. Or even Monty Williams would've done a better job tbh.
@TheKaradras
@TheKaradras 10 күн бұрын
Unfortunately no might,my friend - i think he is 10000% the worse you can find in the NBA (surpassing even the biggest choker in playoffs history in Doc RIvers and other bad coaches)
@countryrah
@countryrah 10 күн бұрын
Facts only a dummy blames lebron clearly he has no control he didn't get the coach or players he wanted Russ was a choice from palinka he chose between what was offered he wanted DeRozan and ty Lou the lakers turned them down because of what they asked for which wasn't much and ham been messing up line ups for 2 yearz the media hates lebron if they are friends with Jordan for some reason
@officialthomasjames
@officialthomasjames 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham doesn’t coach. He stands there staring into space.
@DeathFORcameO
@DeathFORcameO 10 күн бұрын
Funny that Denver doesn't really care about how the media os covering their series, they just chilling and winning 😂
@javarzshinall9396
@javarzshinall9396 10 күн бұрын
Because they got the media hype in their favor Boston had the best season they don't get that hype
@brandoonf6962
@brandoonf6962 10 күн бұрын
2 more games hopefully and we dont have to hear about this LA team that shouldn't even be in the playoffs.
@MichelePonte
@MichelePonte 10 күн бұрын
But the East is very weak ​@@javarzshinall9396
@duffman4655
@duffman4655 8 күн бұрын
@@brandoonf6962 I wouldn't put it past ESPN to not talk about the Lakers or James after they get swept, James' has an addiction for attention and he'll post some "cryptic message" or how "amazed" he is at a player's game to possibly recruit the guy or post a video of him "training" for next season or post a photo of a heavily wrapped left ankle and say he was injured this whole time and ESPN will still focus on Lakers and James as the post season progresses. 😂 ESPN lacks when it comes to other players and other teams... well they'll still bash the Clippers since they're also LA but it's too unreal how much focus and material they have on 1 team and player.
@haywood0457
@haywood0457 10 күн бұрын
Might as well call Ham Bacon because he’s cooked 🥓 🍳
@marcsondlucce
@marcsondlucce 10 күн бұрын
Bronsexual
@hipking23
@hipking23 10 күн бұрын
Lol 😂 🥁
@Jerrynyc424
@Jerrynyc424 10 күн бұрын
LeExcuses strikes again
@rosecityusa6120
@rosecityusa6120 10 күн бұрын
Corny AF ‼️ That take needs some help... 🤡 Ish.
@AK-hm7wd
@AK-hm7wd 10 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣😭
@tmc31390
@tmc31390 10 күн бұрын
Windy’s the only one who actually spoke from the perspective of Lakers fans. Every Laker fan in their right mind knows Ham’s coaching has been EXTREMELY suspect at times.
@meekEd
@meekEd 10 күн бұрын
All the time!
@jonm8895
@jonm8895 10 күн бұрын
That’s because he’s been a Lebron dickrider 🍆 since he came into the league. He’s also an apologist for the Lakers or any team Lebron has played on. The lakers blew a 20 point lead, take the L and move on.
@haywood0457
@haywood0457 10 күн бұрын
Sometimes? That shid been atrocious since the start. Nuggets currently have 190 fga to our 157. That’s insane. Nuggets know they’ll have size thus rebounding thus shot attempt advantage not because they’re that much bigger than LAL but because Ham refuses to play bigger. 3 guard lineup GOAT
@RandyTheManiac
@RandyTheManiac 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham is a terrible coach. Point blank period. His rotations are terrible, his ability to make adjustments is awful, and his non-ability to make timeouts is there. Lakers fans have given him enough chances. We are done with Darvin Ham. He’s a nice guy but a terrible coach.
@jamesjefferson3809
@jamesjefferson3809 10 күн бұрын
The rotations are bad because we have a bad roster. And that ultimately falls on Rob Pelinka, the GM. That’s who we should be mad at.
@CarolynRay-ef2fd
@CarolynRay-ef2fd 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham is is a great Great Great Great Great coach he got 2 Winnie babies to coach Labronie baby and Anthony baby Lyons coach give the to ninja a bottle or pacifier 😂 😂
@Earl_E_Burd
@Earl_E_Burd 10 күн бұрын
People who say point blank period as a whole sentence.
@pavlegrebenarevic382
@pavlegrebenarevic382 8 күн бұрын
@@CarolynRay-ef2fd Bad troll, Ham is a terrible coach and you know it
@johnspeights69
@johnspeights69 10 күн бұрын
LB is the one that took the ball out of AD hands by playing hero ball in the 4th instead of sticking to what got them the 20 point lead
@MrCarty-qx9dg
@MrCarty-qx9dg 10 күн бұрын
Facts. That is why I think AD was talking about LBJ
@dbutta2496
@dbutta2496 10 күн бұрын
@@MrCarty-qx9dghe wasn’t goofy
@javarzshinall9396
@javarzshinall9396 10 күн бұрын
AD should have been in the post with hands up to demand the ball
@zyxtrr
@zyxtrr 10 күн бұрын
i love how yall don’t bring up how bron scored 14 of the 20 in the 4th & how AD had 4 fouls in the 3rd which made bron come back in the game early and be aggressive
@K124B
@K124B 10 күн бұрын
AD shoulda got the ball more, but they also made a defensive switch. Gordon started to guard him instead of Jok
@eatmakock3646
@eatmakock3646 10 күн бұрын
I dont think Smith knows what he’s talking about, Ham literally doesnt know what to do when the opposed team goes on runs 😭
@robertvega8358
@robertvega8358 10 күн бұрын
Oaky … what will you do ? And don’t say what everybody says. The basic stuff. Talk schemes, play, all that.
@nicolekestner185
@nicolekestner185 10 күн бұрын
Quit mistaken your parents for Steven.A smithe he makes twelve mill year
@sonnyjason2
@sonnyjason2 10 күн бұрын
He definitely don’t know what’s he talking about
@CarlosGutierrez-qw6pr
@CarlosGutierrez-qw6pr 10 күн бұрын
@@robertvega8358 How about actually calling a timeout when the other team is on a run, Darvin ham specifically said that some of the timeouts are for Lebron and AD to get some rest.... well they looked gassed in the game and Darvin Ham had two timeouts and a challenge at the end of the game
@robertvega8358
@robertvega8358 10 күн бұрын
@@CarlosGutierrez-qw6pr jokic looked gassed too. So did Jamal Murray during the interview. Everyone was tired it’s the playoffs. Every star is playing 40 plus minutes
@ijayrizzy3116
@ijayrizzy3116 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham reminds me of Keyshawn on Undisputed, TRASH!! He should not be there. Lakers should’ve gotten Ime Udoka despite the scandal.
@5abiXtasy
@5abiXtasy 10 күн бұрын
lol Keyshawn is horrible. It was cool for a minute, then he got exposed especially on his hoop takes. He does no research and just throws takes off the top of his dome and just wants to interrupt/interject Skip or whoever else as soon as they start their rebuttal. That show is dead, I cannot see them bringing back any of the clowns they have on there. Mind as well have Darvin Ham on there.
@Tryme43
@Tryme43 10 күн бұрын
It’s funny how Spoelstra is described as the “greatest coach” in the world and almost got swept by Denver in last seasons finals but suddenly when they mention how Darvin Ham’s Lakers only lost to the same Denver Team in the conference finals suddenly the standards change and Darvin Ham is a bad coach 😅
@5abiXtasy
@5abiXtasy 10 күн бұрын
@@Tryme43 Did you watch last nights game 2 against Boston? Without Jimmy Butler and clearly unmatched, Spo was able to make adjustments and have them go back to Miami tied 1-1. Darvin lost BOTH leads whilst Malone was able to make in-game adjustments. Just tell me you don't know basketball (or watch it) and understand attention to detail.
@Tryme43
@Tryme43 10 күн бұрын
@@5abiXtasy Do you think Miami Heat would beat Denver even with Butler there ? And please don’t answer, it’s a rhetorical question , we all know the answer to that.
@guyprieto1593
@guyprieto1593 10 күн бұрын
Exactly
@brandonc2810
@brandonc2810 10 күн бұрын
Stephen A. Missed the plot ! Darvin Ham is not a championship caliber coach. He makes little to no adjustments in game. He sometimes looks like a Dear in headlights. The Lakers probably wouldn’t even be the 7th seed , they would’ve made the playoffs with at least the 5th or 6th seed had he would’ve used the right rotations to start the season, yes he should’ve started the season with the roster that he eventually was forced to go to. He is a walking punchline. The media coming to the defense of Darvin like this is nasty work! Shows yall really don’t watch the games enough!
@JoeMurray5
@JoeMurray5 10 күн бұрын
Dlo wasn’t missing shots and got subbed. Finished game with challenges. Its really silly the coaching
@crunchtime6244
@crunchtime6244 10 күн бұрын
Darvin scam SUCKS.
@khalildonyute1
@khalildonyute1 10 күн бұрын
Exactly
@MrCarty-qx9dg
@MrCarty-qx9dg 10 күн бұрын
Who would you replace him with?
@Tryme43
@Tryme43 10 күн бұрын
It’s funny how Spoelstra is described as the “greatest coach” in the world and almost got swept by Denver in last seasons finals but suddenly when they mention how Darvin Ham’s Lakers only lost to the same Denver Team in the conference finals suddenly the standards change and Darvin Ham is a bad coach 😅
@meekEd
@meekEd 10 күн бұрын
Absolute garbage coach 🗑
@damianpriest196
@damianpriest196 10 күн бұрын
@@Tryme43the fact the heat even got a game off the nuggets is a miracle when even LeBron couldn’t
@nobnoba
@nobnoba 10 күн бұрын
look at it on an opposite angle. AD is a veteran player, a leader in Pelicans and Lakers. He KNOWS not to throw the coach under the bus, especially during a playoff run. so why he did it? because the problem is unbearable. Ham is unbearably stupid
@erikkdane8485
@erikkdane8485 10 күн бұрын
AD was correct. The players are clueless because of inept coaching. Ham doesn't call time outs nor make in game adjustments nor call plays, & puts out horrid lineups. The coaching staff, Pelinka, & role players have failed the Lakers.
@Artbyartcreates
@Artbyartcreates 10 күн бұрын
Facts!!
@ijayrizzy3116
@ijayrizzy3116 10 күн бұрын
Darvin rotates players that don’t score. He started Vando, he keeps playing Dinwiddie despite his awful mishaps. Not to mention he doesn’t challenge plays or even call timeouts. Maybe the legend Phil Handy got next.
@awarem8739
@awarem8739 10 күн бұрын
Lakers go through a new coach every two years. Stop complaining and start blaming the players
@TLJohns
@TLJohns 10 күн бұрын
Vando ain’t played in like months😂😂
@chrisjacobs9101
@chrisjacobs9101 10 күн бұрын
When does AD say hey man “when he plays me 4Q I don’t show up”but hey it’s the coaches fault right ?
@MiguelsLakers
@MiguelsLakers 10 күн бұрын
As a Lakers fan I think I speak for all Lakers fans everywhere. WE WANT DARVIN GONE!!!!!
@Adam-tw8yd
@Adam-tw8yd 10 күн бұрын
Jeanie won't fire him
@BeiMax
@BeiMax 10 күн бұрын
If Darvin Ham were a White Coach, OH BOY.
@cluezybluez
@cluezybluez 10 күн бұрын
Stephen A would be going OFF!
@Marty13153
@Marty13153 9 күн бұрын
If you weren't a little crybaby, resentful white punk, OH BOY. Boo hoo.
@Marty13153
@Marty13153 9 күн бұрын
@@cluezybluez Nah, you're just a little resentful crybaby. Save that for the maga rally clown.
@zyxtrr
@zyxtrr 10 күн бұрын
anyone who has ACTUALLY watched lakers games knows how horrible ham is, all he does is keep his hands in his pockets. teams go on runs? no timeout. this man is still running 3 guard lineups & wonder why they give up offensive rebounds. never consistent running plays other than iso
@jbsstg4111
@jbsstg4111 10 күн бұрын
i didn't agree with a lot stephen a. said, but going 17 mins in the 2nd half without a bucket, you can't really argue with that.
@PillagingGinger
@PillagingGinger 10 күн бұрын
I’ve never seen one ounce of emotion from Ham. He just looks tired and bored all the time
@robertvega8358
@robertvega8358 10 күн бұрын
Phil Jackson showed no emotion during his laker run. Cmon. Please no stupid comments Bill belichik never showed emotion and got super bowls. So what is your point with emotion ?
@marcusrhill
@marcusrhill 10 күн бұрын
Then you've never watched a Lakers game smfh
@PillagingGinger
@PillagingGinger 10 күн бұрын
@@marcusrhill this is the most pointless comment I’ve ever seen. Yes, I’ve watched the Lakers this year, most games in fact. Do you mind enlightening me rather than just making an ignorant comment with no substance?
@officialthomasjames
@officialthomasjames 10 күн бұрын
He just stands there. He’s barely engaged.
@hiamaraldvaan7221
@hiamaraldvaan7221 10 күн бұрын
Poka face
@johnbowen6038
@johnbowen6038 10 күн бұрын
Lakers weren’t beating Timberwolves, OKC, Dallas, LAC or Denver. They were a play in team for a reason. The media so enamored by the yesteryear and stars that they lost in reality. That’s why all of them picked the Phoenix when anyone who watches one Sums weren’t beating the TWolves
@officialthomasjames
@officialthomasjames 10 күн бұрын
All facts here. NBA media gotta move on from the past. Embrace the new age. Ratings are down because they don’t promote any of the young guys, all the coverage is about Steph KD and LeBron.
@sonnyjason2
@sonnyjason2 10 күн бұрын
Amen
@salladiallo9766
@salladiallo9766 10 күн бұрын
The lakers will beat everybody else but the Nuggets , Stephen A is completely right.
@johnbowen6038
@johnbowen6038 10 күн бұрын
@@salladiallo9766 😂😂😂
@Michelle-no6um
@Michelle-no6um 10 күн бұрын
​@@salladiallo9766 Lakers wouldn't beat the Timberwolves
@jaycritch6300
@jaycritch6300 9 күн бұрын
Im convinced the media doesnt watch the Lakers because how do you not see the level of incompetence Darvin Ham has
@quisejeter1470
@quisejeter1470 10 күн бұрын
There’s no way these guys are serious. Unfair to Darvin Ham?? He’s not a bad coach?? Are we just gonna gloss over the fact that the Lakers started going on a run in the second half of the season ONLY after Darvin Ham FINALLY put Rui in the starting lineup?? They’re literally facing the Nuggets in round 1 because of the bad coaching Ham did during the regular season
@Andy-bk4zr
@Andy-bk4zr 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham is coaching like Mike Budenholzer's last year playoff run vs the heat. No timeout when other team is making a run.
@areoinstylz
@areoinstylz 10 күн бұрын
Why ESPN thought we wanted to see Tim's 7 points 1 assist 1 rebound career stats for his 10 years 💀💀💀
@Breathe_YT
@Breathe_YT 9 күн бұрын
Having a 10 year nba career is no joke especially in the 80’s-90’s stop hating
@LiciKai
@LiciKai 10 күн бұрын
So, it's OK for the media to say it but not players?
@natethompson8740
@natethompson8740 10 күн бұрын
Saying it on national TV is real questionable! It's also questionable if a Coach singles out a player on national TV. Keep it in house and fix the problems rather than give the media stuff to feed on!
@jusbertmeza4424
@jusbertmeza4424 10 күн бұрын
Why do the media make excuses for Ham? They defend him likes a tenured coached with championships. It took him 50 games to realize having TP start was a bad idea. He lets teams go on 10-0, 12-0 multiple times in a single game and throws out lineups that doesn’t have much experience with each other. He had a lineup of dinwiddie, Vincent, hayes, prince and they lost a huge chunk of their lead.
@aandk2594
@aandk2594 10 күн бұрын
Isn't Stephen A the same guy who was bashing Darvin for lack of basketball IQ when he wanted AD to shoot five 3's a game? Pot. Meet kettle.
@kingridwan
@kingridwan 10 күн бұрын
The media keeps making excuses for Ham. No way a good coach is losing that match.
@dochudson9393
@dochudson9393 10 күн бұрын
AD might be right, but keep that in-house while the series still going on. Air it out after you get eliminated. Control your emotions bro.
@derrickperry7705
@derrickperry7705 10 күн бұрын
All the people who are on darvin hams side dosent watch the lakers games..
@JoeMurray5
@JoeMurray5 10 күн бұрын
I could coach lakers with AD and Lebron lol. Ham is blessed
@kjjr3270
@kjjr3270 10 күн бұрын
You ain't coaching shi. Would get Boston the last seed probably
@mamadoudia7217
@mamadoudia7217 10 күн бұрын
the frustration and negative energy the players have after the game 2 loss, we will definitely lose game 3
@user-ss8um7oe5l
@user-ss8um7oe5l 10 күн бұрын
This segment is terrible. I was at game 1 and when Ham does call TO he doesn’t gather the players, he doesn’t do any adjustments. Doesn’t call any TO’s. Ham just doesn’t know what he’s doing out there. Sorry this segment should be removed. ESPN playing games out here
@jaebarnes
@jaebarnes 10 күн бұрын
Was it Ham's fault when they got the 14 point and 20 point lead in both games too? Lol. Players lack accountability it's sad.
@tmc31390
@tmc31390 10 күн бұрын
What are you talking about? Ham hasn’t gotten ENOUGH criticism. The media has mainly pointed the fingers at the players. Just talking…
@jaebarnes
@jaebarnes 10 күн бұрын
@@tmc31390 we obviously live on different planets if you believe a word you just typed.
@zingisamahlasela
@zingisamahlasela 10 күн бұрын
Do you actually watch games? Or just look at box scores and watch FT?
@charlesblack-mdh-3289
@charlesblack-mdh-3289 10 күн бұрын
@@tmc31390 What are YOU talking about??? OOHH Just yapping...
@javarzshinall9396
@javarzshinall9396 10 күн бұрын
You got to use timeouts when you see your lead shrink and no organization down the stretch because they should be up 2 games if they executed a coaching game plan look at the Heat yesterday and Knicks game plan and they are not talent deep they coach and play with urgency
@jordanjohnson1255
@jordanjohnson1255 10 күн бұрын
But there literally are stretches where it looks like they do not know what they’re doing…😂
@waleomole319
@waleomole319 10 күн бұрын
All I hear is crying from the lakers ....Get these guys outta here in 4
@jamesdowdy5239
@jamesdowdy5239 10 күн бұрын
Darvin ham is a bad coach. Terrible lineups. Didn’t call a timeout when the run occurred. Shoulda ran more sets for AD in the 4th
@elrmndo
@elrmndo 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham got no accountability since day 1.
@ChuckTay23
@ChuckTay23 10 күн бұрын
You knew what to do for 3 quarters straight though huh.
@upgr8king
@upgr8king 10 күн бұрын
It’s called game time ADJUSTMENTS, Ham made None in the 4th quarter
@ChuckTay23
@ChuckTay23 10 күн бұрын
I can understand what you mean but we are talking about vets. Lebron and AD are VETS. Been doing this longer than half this comment section has been alive. They choked. I think Bron ran out of gas he spent half the 4th dribbling on the floor
@Blackmagic_874
@Blackmagic_874 10 күн бұрын
Ham cannot be defended. He’s legit a bottom 10 coach in the league.
@javarzshinall9396
@javarzshinall9396 10 күн бұрын
You mean 2 quarters 20 points 3rd quarter no
@ChuckTay23
@ChuckTay23 10 күн бұрын
You’re right Ham isn’t blameless but AD in all these years playing saying he didn’t know what to do at times is a LMFAO moment.
@NCOMBHOODIE
@NCOMBHOODIE 10 күн бұрын
they clearly don’t watch the games .
@tmcbride9435
@tmcbride9435 10 күн бұрын
It's funny they cape for Ham, then comment that they didn't think he had the correct response to Denver's adjustments. Preparation and adjustments are not the same legs
@gersonambroise1643
@gersonambroise1643 10 күн бұрын
Jamal didn’t hit the game winner on darvin he hit it on you AD
@Ordovician71
@Ordovician71 10 күн бұрын
Lebron needs to get AD the ball. How many times do LA fans have to go through this???
@zingisamahlasela
@zingisamahlasela 10 күн бұрын
Stupid comment
@kicknowledgesmith8608
@kicknowledgesmith8608 10 күн бұрын
yup and made him celebrate with them lol
@javarzshinall9396
@javarzshinall9396 10 күн бұрын
Coach job is to call timeouts and challenge bad refs calls he instead saved 2 timeouts
@jayc5756
@jayc5756 10 күн бұрын
Why this dude keep talking like he knows what will happen in this post season...when the games aint even half way over? Cmon now. SMH 🤦‍♂️
@olecramv4273
@olecramv4273 10 күн бұрын
A Lakers Championship Coach can’t just “not be clueless”. He needs to be great. It’s on the front office to be better.
@georgeseinfeld4150
@georgeseinfeld4150 10 күн бұрын
He hasn't had Ham as a coach for the past two years, the guy just isn't cut out for coaching plain and simple.
@natethompson8740
@natethompson8740 10 күн бұрын
Huh?
@ikatokiyazaki2343
@ikatokiyazaki2343 10 күн бұрын
Darvin scam SUCKS
@charlesblack-mdh-3289
@charlesblack-mdh-3289 10 күн бұрын
Only in his 2yrs? You LeBrick fans...
@Mrshadow_wolf7
@Mrshadow_wolf7 10 күн бұрын
​@@charlesblack-mdh-3289🤖
@tigerhoods7927
@tigerhoods7927 10 күн бұрын
Just like Lebron 😂
@ronaldolamont
@ronaldolamont 10 күн бұрын
"Darvin Scam"!! Wow that's cold!! 😂
@Blackmagic_874
@Blackmagic_874 10 күн бұрын
@@charlesblack-mdh-3289you don’t watch games. He’s actually horrible.
@Jesse-jy8uy
@Jesse-jy8uy 10 күн бұрын
Ty lue won in his first season against a juggernaut
@zingisamahlasela
@zingisamahlasela 10 күн бұрын
That’s who LeBron wanted by the FO decided on the cheaper option where they could hire his assistant for him.
@GamerBoyDevin
@GamerBoyDevin 10 күн бұрын
So did Steve Kerr, and Nick Nurse. Being a 1st year nba head coach really shouldn't be an excuse at all.
@jolli4116
@jolli4116 10 күн бұрын
AD’s statement not directed towards the coaching staff. He’s just verbalizing what’s going on among themselves inside the bb court. It’s more directed on Lebron or anybody who failed to feed him the ball as what they have done in the first half.
@Everydayfunnibloopers
@Everydayfunnibloopers 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham is the issue he don't call time-outs when needed and what AD said is right sometimes they do look like they don't what they are doing
@TheGod2go
@TheGod2go 10 күн бұрын
Although I think he is not a great coach, AD doing this in a series shows weakness. That's not something you wanna show against the Denver nuggets
@Ordovician71
@Ordovician71 10 күн бұрын
lol they’re getting swept so it doesn’t really matter
@zingisamahlasela
@zingisamahlasela 10 күн бұрын
What weakness?
@coozkies8386
@coozkies8386 10 күн бұрын
he literally has been saying it all year this has been a thing way before this series!!
@phatch5444
@phatch5444 10 күн бұрын
Ham gotta live being lebron coach he don’t get held accountable
@ManicSV3
@ManicSV3 10 күн бұрын
You posting this shows ignorance. If you followed the Lakers this been a problem for 2 years not 1 series
@jahthaking691
@jahthaking691 10 күн бұрын
Agree with Tim leglier 🫡 💯
@jaykal3716
@jaykal3716 10 күн бұрын
Me too playa
@gregdabarber4256
@gregdabarber4256 10 күн бұрын
Beautiful TAKE!!!thnk U...❤ ya...Continue 2 put pressure!!!!!!!@!
@blAckevans
@blAckevans 10 күн бұрын
Legler & Smith work well together , Legler’s knowledge to the game is superb .
@officialthomasjames
@officialthomasjames 10 күн бұрын
Yup Legler actually knows ball
@ishmaelreyes8659
@ishmaelreyes8659 10 күн бұрын
Of course Ledger knows ball, he was an NBA player himself.
@javarzshinall9396
@javarzshinall9396 10 күн бұрын
What is Wendy talking Lakers defense ain't the problem it is the offense they held Nuggets to 101 points 99 points is not good offense and he doesn't use Max Christie off the Bench one of the best scorers on the bench
@ThePatman1980
@ThePatman1980 10 күн бұрын
Kobe told Dwight Howard that he was SOFT. But it was Dwight’s defense on Jokic that helped the Lakers beat Denver in 5 back in 2020. But back in 2020, Aaron Gordon was not with Denver. Neither was KCP who was on that Lakers squad. So let’s say Lakers got Dwight a fourth time, it’s no guarantee Lakers win because Aaron Gordon is big and as strong as Dwight. I think Denver should get rid of DeAndre and go get Dwight to prevent the Lakers from getting him again. Who Kobe called soft is becoming the Lakers’ savior at beating Denver.
@ishmaelreyes8659
@ishmaelreyes8659 10 күн бұрын
Does anybody remember that these coaches are brought to you thanks to LeGM? Remember Ty Lou, Walton, David Blatt, Mike Brown, and now Ham? Why always throw under the bus the coach? Only Eric Spoelstra survived and became an awesome coach after he left Miami for dead.
@shaheenabubshait
@shaheenabubshait 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham cost the Lakers many games this season by not using every timeout and not challenging important plays like the DLO head contact at the end of game 2. It’s always on the players to perform but it’s on the coach to call the right plays and make adjustments, especially when a team is up double digits multiple times and loses at the end. This Lakers roster is capable of a championship but has also had questionable lineup rotations from the beginning of the season. The biggest issue is coaching and you are now hearing it from the players themselves. AD is keeping it 100.
@ballgame3273
@ballgame3273 10 күн бұрын
He said what bron and him talked about.. thanks A.D
@Stephanlove619
@Stephanlove619 10 күн бұрын
Darvin isn’t a bad coach. He makes bad gametime decisions. With that 20 point lead there is only one moment in the fourth quarter that he called the time out to stop the bleeding and he didn’t do anything. He needed to stop the momentum and he never did
@zingisamahlasela
@zingisamahlasela 10 күн бұрын
Speak on it
@Stephanlove619
@Stephanlove619 10 күн бұрын
@@zingisamahlasela he just needed to stop the moment. the Lakers were obviously not making shots on that run. So call the time out discuss it and stop the Nuggets momentum.
@zingisamahlasela
@zingisamahlasela 10 күн бұрын
@@Stephanlove619 I agree with you mate 🙂
@Blackmagic_874
@Blackmagic_874 10 күн бұрын
I believe he is ALSO a bad coach. If you’ve watched him throughout the season a lot of his decisions on and off the court are very questionable. Considerably lineups, rotations, and play calling. Have you seen him inside a huddle. He does literally nothing.
@Stephanlove619
@Stephanlove619 10 күн бұрын
@@Blackmagic_874 there is too much of watching Lebron make decisions from him I don’t disagree. Before this series I would have said his Line ups and rotations is his weakest point. But now I think it’s just overall decision making. This series should be 1-1 right now going into LA
@iplayulisten1111
@iplayulisten1111 10 күн бұрын
unless you're a laker fan, you wont understand what AD is saying. Darvin is a terrible coach. For context, left the game with not 1 but 2 TO left and didnt use a challenge, when he could of. For example, when dlo got hit in the face or when bron went to contest jamal murray, etc. He's terrible at making in game adjustments as well. He waits till the lead drop from 20+ to 5 until he calls a TO. Its not an excuse for the lakers play, but to think darvin is a great head coach is INCORRRECT. L Take by Stephen a smith
@DVNBX
@DVNBX 10 күн бұрын
The reality is Darvin all he does is trying to motivate players instead of actually coaching. Dlo say it, And now AD. Its not a coincidence. They are in this position because he didn’t follow what he say they was gonna do built continuity and he did the opposite which was benching all his players that got him to the Conference Finals. Lets get real
@CoolTy23
@CoolTy23 10 күн бұрын
Lakers should fire Ham this offseason and look to hire Budenholzer, Reddick or Rondo
@imm85-yi4zp
@imm85-yi4zp 10 күн бұрын
Reddick, u must be 5 and dumb asf
@LazyCrazyGuy
@LazyCrazyGuy 10 күн бұрын
Scratch Budenholzer, he's a regular season coach. The Lakers should have hired Nick Nurse but they decided to get on the diversity train. Nick Nurse should have also been hired in Milwaukee but they too wanted some diversity train. It is crazy how people get jobs based on color and not resume'.
@adamkumi7122
@adamkumi7122 10 күн бұрын
I would go after rondo
@LazyCrazyGuy
@LazyCrazyGuy 10 күн бұрын
@@adamkumi7122 he's unproven but I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea to give him a chance. Also the other problem is can his IQ really be transferred over. We've seen him get hot headed with teammates before which means an inability to communicate correctly. Usually the sign of a bad teacher.
@adamkumi7122
@adamkumi7122 10 күн бұрын
@@LazyCrazyGuy I think him having lebron and the team being guard heavy could be helpful. He could really help dlo and ar be better and believe they would respect him but also lakers made some bad moves players wise smh
@otisls
@otisls 10 күн бұрын
Lakers 0-10 versus Nuggets: referees and coaches are culpable⁉
@jamesbingham1007
@jamesbingham1007 9 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham is about to go 0-12 against a single opponent, including 2 4 game sweeps in two straight playoffs. SAS can harumph til' the cows come home and that won't make Darvin Ham a championship coach. And, if the Lakers face the Nuggets in the playoffs next year, what do you think will happen?
@user-dc7um4pr3f
@user-dc7um4pr3f 9 күн бұрын
I'll never understand blaming Coaches. Darvin Ham has been fine. - DLo going 0-7 is not Ham's fault - Davis getting cooked on a step back game winner is not Ham's fault. Hachimura going 0-7 in that game is not Ham's fault. The team not scoring for 17 minutes isn't his fault. - DLo struggling in the first game is not his fault Energy also just didn't look like it was there. This is a veteran team if you need help getting fired up to play, that's got to come from within. It's not your coach's job to make you want to play a playoff game. You should care. They ran Frank Vogel out of town. Ran Luke Walton out of town. The Lakers have had 5 coaches in 10 years. They've had a revolving door of personnel. What would really change if you fired him? At what point do you look at the Anthony Davis and LeBron thing and admit that the team is just too top heavy and the duo doesn't really compliment each other all that much? They have a top heavy roster and then outside of the top 3-4 guys, there really is no hierarchy of skill so it's hard for him to know who should get minutes and who shouldn't. Their 4th - 10th man are all practically the same skill level. If guys are gonna not make shots what is he supposed to do? It's not like there is some Tyler Herro, Naz Reid, Malik Monk type guy buried on that bench that isn't getting enough minutes. This team just isn't that good. The only consistent guys are LeBron and AD. They don't have Carusos or Caldwell Popes anymore that can make up for off shooting with good defense. They don't have centers 3 deep that have been on teams that made the finals.
@marcsondlucce
@marcsondlucce 10 күн бұрын
Fake laker fans blaming Darvin. While the real true laker fans sit back laugh at this foolery 😂
@RhinoPill
@RhinoPill 10 күн бұрын
If you really a laker fan you would know darvin is trash
@upgr8king
@upgr8king 10 күн бұрын
If you think HAM didn’t get outcoached in the 4th - You don’t know basketball
@upgr8king
@upgr8king 10 күн бұрын
@@RhinoPill facts , Zero adjustments
@mikejones9906
@mikejones9906 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham’s coaching has been phenomenal, I understand AD’s frustration because he needs to force feed him the ball. That’s the only adjustment he has to make. AD cannot go more than 3 possessions without a shot, especially if he’s being guarded man to man.
@mrgsmith96
@mrgsmith96 10 күн бұрын
Phenomenal?? Bruh who are you watching? Bro is running line ups of Gabe, Spencer, TP, Bron and Hayes in the playoffs. His timeout usage is abysmal. All of this on top of the lakers progressively throughout games stop running organized offense. That's coaching.
@mikejones9906
@mikejones9906 10 күн бұрын
@@mrgsmith96 They almost took a game in Denver against the Champs. People act like the Lakers are the favorites to win the Championship. It’s pretty delusional but they’re playing great basketball, considering who they’re going against.
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr 10 күн бұрын
@@mikejones9906 now listen explain LeBron was out of gas and he’s 39. The adjustment was horrible. The bench was horrible and we blow 20 points at the second half this is on HAM it don’t get me started it 🤦🏽‍♂️
@mikejones9906
@mikejones9906 10 күн бұрын
@@michaeljohnson-ug4gr did you expect them to win by 20? Nobody expects this series to be close but they’re sleeping out there. Lakers are coming.
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr 10 күн бұрын
@@mikejones9906 I feel like I don’t even know I could watch game three because wood and Vando still not playing, which is a joke I might be watching NFL draft pick. This is definitely waste of LeBron‘s career. 😒🤦🏽‍♂️
@philipthijssen6488
@philipthijssen6488 9 күн бұрын
Stephen A quick to forget they reached the WCF by eliminating an old GSW team and a beat up Memphis? For me a good coach is adjusting when you face a tough matchup. I just have not seen that from Darvin Ham.
@danieltatum4262
@danieltatum4262 10 күн бұрын
AD just upset bcos he got the buzzer beater shot over him then swallowed by up in the Denver crowd celebration 😂
@kopf-heldtotalneuro-logisc8479
@kopf-heldtotalneuro-logisc8479 10 күн бұрын
Hearing LeBron making excuses aaaaaall the time, he tried a little bit too. AD just not that experienced in doing it. Excuse Nation - focus on yourself! Play 48 minutes with lights on. Denver played a bad first and an okay second half with brillant finish. You should have won this one
@donjohn7709
@donjohn7709 10 күн бұрын
Lakers are cooked. They been cooked. I'll be happy then ya'll don't get to talk about them anymore. It's boring.
@DonkeyWalloper
@DonkeyWalloper 10 күн бұрын
Leggs - am I done in the makeup chair? Mortician - NO
@sensienevets3381
@sensienevets3381 9 күн бұрын
Don't keep AI,Delo ,Rui Hays,vando,vincent, trade them all. And coach change also.
@judohunter1
@judohunter1 10 күн бұрын
lol AD would talk preparation after he finally played ONE 60+ game season as it’s not like he ever got prepared before a season. He really is the last one to be talking, esp after Murray almost broke his ankles.
@BiasedNBATakes
@BiasedNBATakes 10 күн бұрын
Stop giving Darvin ham credit for what LeBron and AD achieved last season. They did that DESPITE awful coaching
@blade5883
@blade5883 10 күн бұрын
But did the Fakers win the chip?
@BiasedNBATakes
@BiasedNBATakes 10 күн бұрын
@@blade5883what are you talking about?
@danielevans142
@danielevans142 9 күн бұрын
This is the problem with sports. Both sides are right...Ham is not a good coach but even if they had phil jackson coaching, they still wouldn't beat the nuggets in a 7 game series.
@samm552
@samm552 10 күн бұрын
Stephen A out here just yapping. Nothing new 😂
@memphismadekel
@memphismadekel 10 күн бұрын
darvin ham can only do so much he can’t get out there and play this is on the players out there not the coach fault
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr 10 күн бұрын
How on the players he don’t make it adjustment good and a bench was horrible. Can’t call timeouts you got two timeouts in the fourth quarter and not getting some of these guys some minutes that’s on ham
@memphismadekel
@memphismadekel 10 күн бұрын
@@michaeljohnson-ug4gr maybe he don’t believe in them because the bench ain’t producing nothing except prince. The players are too inconsistent that is not on coaching when the players aren’t showing up every night that’s more with effort and heart.
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr 10 күн бұрын
@@memphismadekel cap that’s on ham and this team is wasted of LeBron’s career
@LazyCrazyGuy
@LazyCrazyGuy 10 күн бұрын
​@@michaeljohnson-ug4grLeBron wasted our Lakers years.
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr 10 күн бұрын
@@LazyCrazyGuy CAP
@karanshetty2530
@karanshetty2530 10 күн бұрын
To laude him just cause he played 76 games , man he is doing his job that he is getting paid for. Let's accept the fact that LeFlop took a horrible shot and missed it. This is typical lakers strategy where you are loosing and you blame game, again skills he picked up from LeFlop
@Niko6767
@Niko6767 10 күн бұрын
Right I don't get praise for not missing work It's my job
@zingisamahlasela
@zingisamahlasela 10 күн бұрын
Troll
@yavarraoufi1288
@yavarraoufi1288 10 күн бұрын
Darvin Ham is a champion as a player and as a coach. He knows how to win !
@upgr8king
@upgr8king 10 күн бұрын
I’m HAPPY he went public with that statement. 🥓 needs to go
@kwakukiller8474
@kwakukiller8474 10 күн бұрын
Asap im sick with ham
@bigtimetv9109
@bigtimetv9109 10 күн бұрын
Blame yourself not the coach your the one on the floor not the coach
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr
@michaeljohnson-ug4gr 10 күн бұрын
🧢
@DanjaMouse10000
@DanjaMouse10000 8 күн бұрын
The Lakers' role players and sometimes LeBron start to take bad, quick shots and not feed AD down low when they have a big lead. Every friggin time😡
@ShannonLott-sm5qw
@ShannonLott-sm5qw 6 күн бұрын
I like that players (Anthony Davis), spoke his mind. I'm so tired of players talking in riddles, or sugar coating things and saying what people want to hear, more players need to speak their minds, good for AD.
@brenndoncopeland3213
@brenndoncopeland3213 10 күн бұрын
Nobody talks about how AD got trampled on after the final shot 😂he went into the post game heated
@TopGunManny
@TopGunManny 9 күн бұрын
The fact that the past 2 years it's been almost identical type losses, leads to start but no heart to finish, says Ham just doesn't have it to make adjustments and finish games. It's not just the playoffs you see it throughout the season
@khalildonyute1
@khalildonyute1 10 күн бұрын
Erik Spoeltra would’ve figured this out already for the Lakers. Darvin Ham in game decisions is the reason why the Lakers are 2-0 down
@neshaunblaine
@neshaunblaine 2 күн бұрын
That’s pretty wild.. I never thought about Denver being the Lakers issue. And here we are.. Ham has been fired for losing to the champions. That’s pretty wild that you get fired for losing to the best team in the league and defending champion. I could see if this was some random team in the west. But both years, WCF lost and opening round loss to the champs. Scapegoat for sure.
@andrewj.chappelliii9739
@andrewj.chappelliii9739 9 күн бұрын
LBJ does the same thing. AD is just following big brother. AD is well aware of what he is doing and what he said. That was purposely done. He and LBJ wants Ham gone. Duh. Didn't we see this with Vogel. As said, Giannis did it to Griffin. Stars know how to speak using colorful words. Barkley was on the money when he said that whenever the Lakers lose, they (LBJ & AD) always throw someone under the bus. Someone other than AD & LBJ gets thrown under the bus. Usually those two are the ones throwing ppl under the bus and not holding themselves accountable
@foreverautoenthusiast6585
@foreverautoenthusiast6585 Күн бұрын
Although AD has had a good season. He has been the Lakers Achilles Heel for quite some time. Plus you got LB managing, coaching, recruiting, and expelling players and coaches at will. The dynamic of the current Laker team is absolutely toxic.
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