Peter really doesn't understand, breaking into a van causes massive damage before the alarm goes off and this will deter the casual burglar and get them to move on.

The guy pitching is absolutely right, detecting a break-in before it occurs makes a huge difference - once someone is in, even if the alarm is triggered, they'll just grab what they can and make off. If I were him, I'd be approaching the insurance companies to see if they were interested in partnering somehow.

I don’t usually leave comments on KZfaq but I brought these for my new van around a month ago and they work great, my van doesn’t have a factory fitted alarm and van crime is a big problem where I live. They only took 20 minutes to fit and now the whole back of my van is protected.

The Dragons be like “if you don’t want your stuff to get stolen, don’t have stuff then?”

This is the only time I’ve watched of these and thought “brilliant product” but it’s crazy none of the dragons can see it!

None of the dragons will ever experience the utterly devastating effect of having their entire means of making a living being stolen from them.

I think this is a great product tbh; can imagine most work vans getting one installed

It wasn’t Michael’s failure to explain his ‘IP or Patent’ to Tuker, rather Contrary, it was Tuker being ‘thick’ to understand when Michael explained 3x !!

Another fine example of the Dragons being uneducated but thinking they know everything...

DeWalt have installed these VanGuardian alarms on their bright yellow trade vans and it's already prevented the break in of several vans at the Sandown Park Toolfair when they were targeted by criminals. Good luck to Mike. 👍🤩

He should've explained how this is like having timed lights, fake cameras, or a bike lock, but for van theft. A cheap, but very effective deterrent that keeps all but the most determined thieves away

I know nothing about owning a van and I know nothing about being an investor, but even I can see the massive difference between a van alarm going off before and after a break-in. I'm sure it was the guy's very indirect manner of communication that blew this for him in the end, not the product, because this is genuinely a really good idea for vehicle security and I'm sure Debora would've made him a deal if he had been more direct with his answers.

Definitely a great idea. I reckon a thief would leave instantly if the alarm went off on touch. If those door don't come open thousands of pounds would be saved in tools

Forget about the pitch...... How did they bring that van up those stairs 😮

tbf i think this was the most successful pitch in which all dragons went out. All of them said they understand why the product exists and why it will sell, but that it's not investible.

Why were they acting like he was talking another language? it was really easy to understand what his patent was for and why his alarm system was better than ones that go off after the doors are opened 😂

My dads a builder and I would love for him to of been there to have a word with these dragons. The damage they do to these vans is very expensive and the theives often know how to not set the alarm off. And yet, even if the alarm is set off it's too late! They're in! They'll just grab what they can. Tools are never cheap and often a builders best tools aren't easy to replace. Honestly, their lack of understanding is baffling. Tthis setting off just by any touch can be enough for the sods to run off (and sadly try a van that is a easier target) Really think this is a great product.

I know loads of people who have had vans stolen, this looks a great product to me. Touch the van and it goes off, nobody going to try and break in once that goes off

Touker Soleman used to ask my brother to move his work van from the front of his house because he said his son was bringing him something from the chippie later on and he needed the space!

I’m from Leeds and I’ve just had my transit drilled. Nothing stolen thankfully . You see so many vans now with plates on the doors were they have been drilled

What a lovely bloke, I think they were a bit harsh on him here

There are creators and there are investors, not everyone can be both, sometimes you need to guide a great creator and have big rewards! Dragons you just missed a big oportunity of something that can be great.

The dragons need to bring their asses to America and see from his POV. Brilliant product. It would be great for vans here in America especially for businesses like Amazon etc.

I’ve fitted a sensor connected to an alarm to my pick truck up after a break in. It works like this one. Only cost me £18. Works great.

Agreed that this is an underrated product by the Dragons standards who would never use such a product because they are too rich! Confused why Touker was so confused when he explained what the patent was. They seemed to ask too many questions.

I think this demonstrates how out of touch the dragons are with all their money. A lot of people are tradespeople with a van. Many of those vans are much older and in need of better security than is built in. Not just but also people with campers etc would benefit from this. I also think that the way he was talking was reminiscent of someone with ADHD, in which case it's pretty unfair that the dragons don't consider it's just the situation which is sending him off track a bit. All that said! I'm not entirely convinced by this execution. I have an old vw bus with no alarm and thought 'oh yeah great' until I saw it was stuck on the outside with adhesive. The more effective alarm system would be on the inside where it can't be nabbed, I also don't like the idea of glueing things onto my vehicle

Debra at 11:36 "My problem is that you can't tell us really straight and simple questions without chucking words out there" she means "answers" not "questions". Ironic. 😅😂

He should probably try to partner with a commercial fleet. If he could sell it to a fleet or two, honestly that is a pretty high proportion of vans, and then OTHER fleets would notice and try to match it... if it works, lol.

Following the show the guys business went IPO, he’s subsequently bought all the dragons a van and robbed each of them

Peter doesnt seem to understand that no one really pays attention to car alarms that much anymore.

Peter missed point, but that was partly the pitchers fault because he didn't explain it. Not all buy a new van and any decent mechanic will tell you that installing a secondary aftermarket alarm system is a big gamble because it doesn't matter if the factory one works or not it can mess them both up. This should also be marketed for boat engines, trailers etc.

_Now, Deborah “Juggz” Meaden wants to drill down into the details of the business_

This product is amazing! I've got friends in the trade that have had their vans broken into numerous times. At hotels, on the worksite, at home. Something like this is genius and will save so many tools from being taken.

Dragons lost , Mike’s gain , I have this vanguarian alarms and I cannot express how important to have these fitted , I wish Mike all the success he deserves

I just purchased a 2 alarm bundle from Van Gaurdian, very quick and easy to fit and they work a treat. Great product Michael, I hope you sell loads of these great alarms.

Great idea for someone in the trade

To deter the thieves it might be a good solution to install a flow system that goes away from the van stopping the crime in its tracks.

Car alarms that go off when touched or even coming near it were on the market in 80s and 90s and they stopped making a lot of them because they didnt protect cars they just annoy people when they go off on accident

I understood what he meant about the IP straight away.

How did they not see what a brilliant idea this is? Huge huge difference between waiting for the thief to get access already then start the whole securing process, and between you being notified literally before they even start working on unlocking your van !

Incredibly harsh on him when he’s trying to solve and really big issue

What a great product! I will look into this and see if I can fit it on my garage doors. 👍🏻

I'm sure this can be adapted for a normal family car. I think he is onto a good thing personally. Shame he doesn't have any backing to help him on his way.

Having a van stolen, I think it’s a great product I would buy!

Just in time for my takeaway 😂

In Argentina this would be highly demanded. It's a brilliant idea!

I want to know how the van fit inside the elevator

I think the dragons missed out here. He just struggled to talk and sell his solution clearly.

Could it be used on a peddle bike ?

I think the product is very clever is it life changing? no however it’s better than existing products

Brilliant idea

This would be a great investment for gigging bands and musicians too. Hear so many stories of bands having their vans broken into and their livelihood taken away.

I love dragons den

A simpler knock sensor siren installed under the bonnet powered by the vehicle battery, and cannot be ripped off.

I’ve got them - they are great!

How did the van fit in the lift and how do I invest in the technology involved?

The floor is creaking with the van on it but saying the egos in here are far heavier

What a great product I really hope he’s sold loads

The key is in the quality of it. If it's good then at £150 it's a bargain and will sell well. If it's got loads of false alarms etc or it doesn't last very long etc etc then it'l go on the heap with the rest of them.

Guy is right about damage being extensive before theft, but a hockey puck that can be torn off and thrown is a bit useless. If it’s inside the van, it’ll be muffled too much.

Peter is talking about his fleet of vans, that's a very different story to a self employed plumber who carries their livelihood in their van.

i want one. what a great product

Lol peter was so wrong on this

Got them on my van and it’s brilliant

Peter “I was unable to embarrass you on live TV so for that reason I am out” 😂

Dragons missed out on this one.

Perhaps the alarm should be fitted inside the van door instead on outside more secure...

Gobsmacked thought Sarah or Deborah would have invested -just needs the door opening -great bloke 😢😢😢😢

The guy is a genius, but the way he tried to explain too elaborately to everything and every questions made the dragons to doubt him. He needs to learn more about explaining in simple words.

I wonder how he fitted the van in the lift...

while it is a really good idea, im sceptical of any adhesive only fixed security products because the adhesive used can be unstuck by applying a small amount of heat or by cheese wire, thats just 2 silent ways i can think of off the top of my head

I really hope he does well! 💪🏻

I use this and saved my livelihood ❤

"It's a side project" "I don't want to invest in your side project" "Its not a side project"

Isn't the alarm going to do body work damage with that glue? looks like it could rip paint work off if you try to remove it.

Quality product

Great product but I agree with Deborah, he needs to hire a CEO quick so that he doesn't waste time with waffling to simple straight forwards questions.

Our whole fleet of vans use these now. The fact that the dragons couldn't understand why the alarm going off BEFORE the burglars get inside the van was so important, shows that they weren't the right people anyway.

Sometimes the damage to the van from scumbags breaking in, costs more to fix them replacing the tools , I think it's a great product , the dragons clearly out of touch on this .

how do they get huge objects, like a van in the den!

All a person needs to do is get some vinyl lettering from a sign writer's All the sign has to say is Van Watch Which is a visual deterrent And if enough Van owners put a sign on their Van saying Van Watch Every Van owner will be part of a van watch scheme

It seems great. However, there is a limitation on market size, in my opinion. The problem is that if the market's security level is high, it is useless. On the other hand, if the market's security level is too low, it is also useless; whatever the alarm sounds, thieves can ignore it. (For example, flash mob robbery in the US) Nevertheless, when I tried to find these types of products in Australia(possible market) for my future campervan plan, I could not find enough information on the internet about them. Which means they did not try enough to sell their products globally. One of their problems is the branding. There is another corporation named Vanguardian, which is an IT service in Australia, and a logistics corporation in the US, etc. How could you sell your product in both possible markets for your product with that brand name? He developed what some people needed but did not have access to them.

Well I don't know how much it's worth but it is still going strong.

I get that the guy wasn't the best salesman out there, but if I had the chance to make that product a business I would've jumped on it. I mean they're dragons, they're supposed to see opportunity and expansion possibilities even when others don't or don't know how to

Really surprised this didn't have an investment. Great idea

Fit a decent alarm/immobiliser with a proximity sensor that would be a lot better than just a stuck on box imho

Its annoying that all the dragons bowed out. He was really clear when explaining his patent. He should have corrected Touker when he kept asking about the patent. He answered him several times. Surprised that none of the dragons noticed

This is a great invention. I know people who have had this happen to them and their entire means of making a living is gone instantly which is invaluable, and a few grand's worth of tools with it.

Great product. A slightly better pitch may have got 5 offers

The answer is better built vans with built in security

Peter really doesn't get it and is probably making soo much money he doesn't care or even hear about how much he's losing from his vans so fair enough. But its the same reason people leave a downstairs light on or have a security automatic floodlight... they do work. They don't stop 100% of break ins... they are a deterrent. There was a study that airport security has an absolutely terrible record when tested. Its just for show and yet it still works and is a deterrent, even though physically it doesn't stop anything, mentally it does.

Peter tries to break his alarm, then when he cant he goes back to his seat, looked like a sabotage intent to me.

The product is selling well.

Not show how they got a patent of a moulded panel that moulds onto a van panel where the van manufacturer had a patent for

its junk a screwdriver at the back and it will pop straight off

"Can't tell me questions" continues to criticise his ability to speak accurately when she's not making sense herself

Lmfao at the Covid Banner... wth!?😂

The dragons missed a buck there! Where can I buy this ?

They all didnt get it

Van Guardian... Leviosa! 🧙‍♂️