It's not about the villages, towns, cities etc. It's about places that are not built up between towns and villages.. roads that used to be 60 then 40 and now 20....which means in reality 15mph. Ridiculous, absurd, horrendous, lunacy, pathetic.... people have to get places😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

I have a manual car to stick to 20 mph I have to be in 2nd gear the engine is at 1800 rpm over a week I use about 15% more fuel and as my speed cruise only starts at 30mph I have to continuously look at my speedo, so fatigue levels have gone up and it takes me 15 minutes longer to get into Cardiff. I can’t ride a bike because of plates and screws in one leg making it difficult to ride. The buses in my area have mysteriously changed there route and times to one an hour so! I have decided to give notice to work and move to Ireland.

its all about fines

Try driving 10 miles at 20 mph through the South Wales Valleys because that's what it's about.

The Locomotive Act 1865 became known as the Red Flag Act, thanks to its extraordinary stipulation that any self-propelled road vehicle had to be preceded by a person walking at least 60 yards ahead, carrying a red flag.

We all know why ! It is put in place to punish drivers and make money 💰.

The petition against this ridiculous speed limit has reached just under 400,000 and that arrogant old woman Drakeford, who is supposed to represent the people of Wales has said that he will not reverse HIS decision regardless of the number who oppose it. "Saving lives" he says, but doesn't mention the impact on health of slower cars who are pumping out more fumes particularly in built up areas. To slow a modern car you have to engage a lower gear which uses more fuel, creates more wear and tear on the engine, not to mention the fact that drivers are spending far too much time looking at their speedometers. Like the 50 MPH on the M4, it does nothing to reduce pollution, or safety, it simply creates havoc with the traffic flow. It's about time the people of Wales spoke with their votes and got rid of any politicians who stand by this dictator.

Doesn't really matter if you do 20 to go to the shops or visiting people. I'm an engineer and need to do 5 visit's a day. This will go down to 4 and the money lost on that one job gets spread to the other 4. (and even more cost added because we forced to get £40k electric vans).

How much longer did it take and how much bigger were your carbon socks after? A truly brave and inspiring piece of motoring nonsense

On a motorway you get a bottle neck when lanes merge e.g. 4 lanes to 3 or 3 to 2. Now on Welsh roads we have potentially a 40 or 30 mph stretch of road becoming a 20 mph road, drivers will brake causing rear end collision, the vehicle engines will be less efficient emitting more harmful tail pipe gas, the vehicles will use more fuel, drivers will concentrate on their speedo instead of the road! Its a complete nonsense.

“There is not enough evidence to conclude that there has been a significant change in collisions and casualties following the introduction of 20mph limits in residential areas” Atkins AECOM and Professor Mike Maher (UCL) were commissioned by the Department of Transport in 2014 to address the gap in evidence available on the effectiveness of 20mph speed limit (signed only) schemes. Twelve case study schemes were studied, from a variety of area types, road types and scale. Published 22 November 2018 Last updated 11 March 2019

The greens in Scotland are considering imposing a 30MPH limit on motorways

Try following a tractor for 20 miles,that's what it is like god help the people who have to drive for a living,it will drive them mad.

Are taxi prices going up for lost time?

Wales Online is the Welsh Government mouthpiece.

I am very glad i will never visit Wales again.

This Guy got Destroyed in the comments 😂

I live in North Wales, and work in Cardiff quite a bit, what I have noticed is that more pedestrians in the 20mph zones don't bother to use the zebra or pelican crossing and just step out into the road. Also its very difficult to be totally aware of every cyclist undertaking you on the left they seem to be oblivious to other road users, who want to turn left across the cyclelane.

Slowing down to 20mph I would have to leave my house 15 minutes earlier and be on the road longer causing more pollution in my truck to get to work 😮

Driving an automatic car at 20 mph needs a foot constantly on the brakes putting more brake dust particulates into the air. It will take 33% longer to complete your journey and so 33% more pollution into the air. Businesses will be 33% less productive and will pass that cost on. All this just to appear virtuous.

Near schools great in towns no. The chaos in Germany at 20mph at certain times is horrendous at peak times also concentration lapse and more small bumps it does not work the traffic queues just become longer. People in Germany ignore the 20mph

Cruise control dont work on my car at 20

Better off educating people how to cross the road and pay attention. When I was at school in the 1960's & 70's, a local police officer would come into schools to give a lecture on road safety. Crossing the road? It's your lookout.

poor delivery company's there drivers will get less done

Come to mid and north wales and drive 3 miles of 20 mph with not a house in sight. I totally agree with this on a housing estate, high street, schools, wales is not just cardiff

If you think 20mph is slow and nearly impossible don't come to Spain where in most built up locations the limit is now just 20kph or 12.5mph!

There is a petition against it on the senedd web site just over of 100k already.

introducing these new speed limits is in breach of the Geneva convention. it only needs one international court case to outlaw them all

Its easy to drive at 20 with an automatic. Just uses the brakes far more and far more fuel is used causing more pollution

For the first time in my life I am 73 if this madness continues and the Tories increase PIP and the State Pension by the triple lock and inflation I will vote TORY.

I've lived in a 20mph zone since 2016 and it doesn't stop people speeding to 30 and above. What's worse, I've even heard parents say that it's safer for their kids to play in the road now.............

We have 20mph limit on the Main Road past our house (in Scotland), this is silly low for the potential of the road

Well I'm never going to Wales on holiday they can stuff it. I hope it bankrupts them.

I live in a city and during the day most motorists there would love to be able to do 20.

He was not doing 20 mph. He was doing 30 the entire time.

What you don't say is that some 20 mph zones will not have signs, the rules aparrently are if there are street lights then the default is 20, does this include the many inoperative street lamps? If you knew how a car works, you'd realise 20 is more polluting and it just moves the responsibility from those that could really do with some educating when it comes to roads and responsibility.

We don't all live in Cardiff and don't have the associated problems with traffic, collisions and injuries. What may work for cities may not be appropriate for the whole country. One size doesn't fit all. Of the 22,000 miles of roads in Wales, 7,700 miles are now 20mph. I have no objection to driving at 20mph on residential roads, what I do object to is sitting at 20mph on roads when that speed is inappropriate and there are plenty of them. We're going to have the situation where traffic is streaming towards a town at 50/60mph then it's down to 20mph which leads to traffic tailing back and having the situation where there are no gaps for pedestrians to safely cross or for cars to come out of side streets and heaven forbid, turn right! Then the traffic catches up on a cyclist doing 10/12mph and cannot safely pass because of on coming traffic, then other cyclists overtake or undertake the slow moving traffic. It's going to create danger in places where it didn't previously exist. Another thing, the speed limit does not apply to cyclists as they're not mentioned in the Highway Code and cannot be prosecuted for speeding. It's not about getting folk onto public transport around here as there are none and our nearest hospital is 23 miles away in England. Independent Wales? They're having a laugh. They've been in power for 20 years. As they say 'Twenty is Plenty' it's time to get rid, enough is enough!

It's bloody ridiculous!

I am a Welsh expat now living in Australia.I have just returned from the visiting North Wales.I found it very hard to stick at 20mph.I also found it a little frustrating coming down from 60 mph to 20 mph every couple of miles grrrr.

TRY DRIVING THROUGH MAGOR TO THE MOTORWAY FROM CALDICOT AT BETWEEN 8am & 9am.. Its INSANE BUMPER TO BUMPER. THIS MUPPET IS DRVING THROUGH IN THE EARLY AFTERNOON…

My cars do not have speed control. I spend all my time watching the speedometer and not the other road users while keeping in third gear. There used to be signs saying 'Welcome to Wales' and the old interpretation was 'You're welcome to it!'.

I do hope those signs don’t disappear in the middle of the night.

Try to go 20mph in London with million of traffic lights and be on time wherever you go to. Also driving constantly on 2nd and 3rd gear will wear off quickly your gear box.Councils issuing millions inf fines and you spending more and more on vehicle repairs. This has to explode one day.

Stupidity has a 20mph limit

They tell us speed kills. The real question is why do they make all cars go faster than the speed limit?

How much has it cost to change all the speed signs from 30 to 20?

That is insanely slow(32kmh), when most of our towns here in NSW Austraila are 60kmh (37.3mph).

The 20 mph limit only applies to roads with street lighting...

Based on this logic at 5mph it will be even safer.

I waa in holyhead yesterday from Leeds delivering it is a nightmare !!

now instead of watching the road drivers will be watching there speedo so they dont get a fine for going over the limit.Its just another govenment way of getting more money out of drivers in fines!!

I don't care about villages and towns, the biggest problem I have in going through Wales, is hordes of elderly Brits driving at 30mph on 60 limit roads. Birmingham to Aberystwyth should take 3 hours, but it actually take closer to 7 hours on some days, try explaining that to an employer, or someone who sits at a desk and does route planning on Google maps.

Try it in a wagon and see how you go . over 330k now say no which is a little different than the 100 asked by someone somewhere !

I live in Central London, if I don't see a camera I ignore the 20mph rule. My smart car like 95% of Smart cars is automatic and as such does not get into third gear until 24mph, higher revs = more fuel = more pollution Perhaps pedestrians should consider self preservation! I am also aware that if a speed camera has been installed by a local authority a fine can not be enforced, although they might try!

Can you imagine emergency vehicles being advised to comply with the speed limit when attending an emergency, and what sort of reply would be made.

They introduced these 20mph zones in Scotland a few years ago, everyone drives at 30mph, including the buses, and the police.

Flashing 20mph signs slow down, speed up, slow down, speed up. Make your minds up for goodness sake. Leave it at 30mph, unless outside schools, hospitals etc. As for pedestrians learn the green cross code before crossing the road. Most things in life we do is a risk of some sort. This country has gone of the rail in many ways. I've driven at 20mph, last few weeks as an experiment early in the morning, it's a bloody nightmare.

wow, riveting piece

A more rational discussion on this than I've heard/seen elsewhere.

If one is to believe the official reasons for a 20mph limit on ALL urban roads, then surely the speed limit should be 10mph, or even 5mph - for the same exact reasons. It is absolutely stupid, and impossible to follow without keeping an eye constantly on the speedometer. Making your Wales roadtrip a nightmare and probably the last trip you'll have in a car, because you'll lose your licence with all the point's you'll gather.

My cruise control in my car wouldn't work because I need to be in the top gear. 20mph would mean no need for 3rd. 4th, 5th or 6th gear.

Wales is full of holiday cottages and not much else.

What about the volunteer emergency crews "ie part-time firemen/RNLI who are on call", if they get a call/shout as they're NOT in official vehicles they will have to travel at 20mph in their private vehicles, which could be putting lives at risk.......

I hear BBC Wales are going to be doing a new motoring programme called 2nd gear.

I live near a school on a 30 mph road which is totally ignored, most cars travel 40 - 50 mph and when the light flashes 20 mph it is still totally ignored, what's the point of speed limits.

What’s the point of making cars over 1 liter if this 20 mph comes in all over

I would venture to say collisions with pedestrians would be reduced better by preventing obstructions to sight of children and others approaching the road, plus more traffic Islands. Ie ban kerbside parking, reduce road furniture ie bollard,s posts etc, better lighting etc

In Luton the big Blue Priority signs or Give Way Signs dont work. You drive up when its your right of way but the cars on the other side just drive through at high speed. The amount of times almost had head on smashes. They should fix cameras on those to catch the ones who try to cause accidents just because they cant wait a few seconds. That will be the next tax!!

It's not a speed issue. It's bad city planning and underinvestment in road infrastructure.

It’s a joke, constant fixation on the speedometer instead of the road, lower gears, higher revs, more pollution and longer journey times? It’s nothing to do with safety, people being hit by cars is at an all time low! The condition of the roads is a far more critical issue, if you want safer roads, then first the roads must be safe to use. How can a fudged survey of just 1000 people (many of which don’t even drive) be used to justify a nations speed limits? It’s time the people stood up and showed enough is enough, and that old f4rt drakeford needs removing from his dictatorship

20 mph will be fine in bedlinog and focrew to avoid the sheep🚙🚙 🐑🐑on the roads but hard to drive 🚗 20 mph anywhere else in wales 🤔

How many will die of heart attacks, anxious due to the length of travel time!

It doesn't even make sense in cities.

In Brisbane Australia the road speeds change constantly and the brain can not keep up with the changes all the time so by just being a normal human you are going to make a genuine mistake and eventually be booked for speeding . On a 6 km trip from my place to a shopping centre the speeds are 50km then 60 km then 70 Km then back to 60 km then down to 40 km. Keep in mind all the other things you have to look out for while driving and all the other rules.

You are a labor party activist

Are these 20 limits all covered by speed cameras?

Try Driver through at 8:30 am and 5;30pm rush hour Numb Nuts

they estimate 12 deaths per year. saving lives is good!

I prefer driving at 20mph sounds silly but its the truth. For me now driving at 30mph is almost surreal.

According to police collision and coroners reports, 98% of all accidents and deaths on 30mph limit roads were at less than 20mph. Reducing the speed limit will not alter this as most times it was a clueless or impaired pedestrian found to be at fault According to the result recorded by the cor

And the outcome is ?

Drive at 20 for 5 minutes .. oh that was easy. Now try living like that every journey every day.

You fail to mention the most important result of the 20 limit: more pollution. There is no way you can dump 10mph-worth of kinetic energy going into a now-20-was-30 limit without generating brake dust and waste heat. There is no way you can restore that lost kinetic energy when you leave the limit without burning more fuel accelerating. The effect on overall fuel consumption is quite noticeable. You can add to that more congestion. If you increase the time it takes to get through a now-20-was-30 limit then, if you want to maintain the same traffic flow (vehicles per hour), you have to have 50% more cars in the limit at any one time.

people run faster than 20 .

20 in 2nd gear

Which gear was he in and did he test the exhaust fumes?

pointed out on another channel that EV are much heavier and take longer to stop hence dropping speed limit to avoid EV's having more accidents

My diesel will choke up with carbon at 20 mph which will make it less efficient. My cruise control does not work below 29mp. The Hyundai car I drive is most efficient at 50 to 70 mph and not at all efficient at 20mph, 45mph vs 28mph and when I pull a horse box it will halve. Towing a horse or any livestock for longer periods is not good for the animals, less time is preferred for obvious reasons.

Stick to the pavement for 20 MPH and let people who have to get to work and drive for a living use the roads properly no worries!

In spain they have 12mph speed limit on some roads ....

if you're struggling to maintain 20, use cruise control.

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Its all about control

Is that it ?

It's no big deal, don't know what all the fuss is about. Picked up my curry last week and it was just as hot when I got back. 🙂

Lol Try the Valleys mate

What i hope is for common sense to prevail. Dripford is no doubt on a power trip. He has revealed himself as being a nasty, narcissistic idiot. That said. It is a caring and considerate soul who understands that a safe and reasonable speed in town is no more than 30 mph. So what i hope will happen is that the Police will continue to monitor 30 mph zones ... whilst completely ignoring Dripfords narcissistic 20 mph roads. That way; so long as we continue to be safe, alert and considerate drivers in Wales, Mark Dripfords horrid little power-trip will spectacularly and embarrassingly crash. Power to the (considerate) people !!!

SO NOW WE CAN'T GET OUT OF 2nd GEAR Which make's it WORSE ? WAR ON CARS .as if There's More Worse in Wales 2 Think About Then THIS ???

all motorways will be 40 soon

Good reason never to visit Wales