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During a round of spring cleaning we found a heavy box with an expensive surprise, Optane!
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0:00 - Intro
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@LinusTechTips Ай бұрын
Let's play a game. It's called "let's see how many people read the pinned comment before scrolling down to make their own". We knew we had it, but it was a low priority because Optane's use-cases were few and far between and it faded from relevance shortly after our first video. Intel didn't ask for it back because of the same reasons. Also.. Please... This isn't hardware we bought, nor does it have any actual value. Engineering sample components - especially storage - gets shredded once they are sent back to to the manufacturer anyway. No starving kids were denied access to a 6TB RAM server. The "we forgot" is just a fun hook for the video because I stubbed my toe on the box in the warehouse a little while ago and thought "hey, oh yeah this thing.. maybe it would be a good vehicle for a video on what the heck happened to Optane" In a nutshell: Relax, guy. Also at 2:41 we forgot a zero and should have said 50GB x 120 = 6TB Linus
@SamNolan1 Ай бұрын
Oh 21 seconds ago.... anyways side note. A spring cleaning video once a year would be pretty cool :D
@damustermann Ай бұрын
I hope you had safety sandals on.
@Swedishchef11 Ай бұрын
So, should I change my spinning discs to cheap optane?
@ramiwen2887 Ай бұрын
hey
@thecrazycat8745 Ай бұрын
it's ok linus, next time just don't stub your toe
@diego7399 Ай бұрын
I also always forget my $150.000 server
@opposedscroll7596 Ай бұрын
Hate it when that happens
@Jesus-father Ай бұрын
me too 😔
@DJYoutube312 Ай бұрын
Same, it’s always in my laundry room cupboard
@MasterCraft_48 Ай бұрын
I always wondered why I was in debt
@bknighty28 Ай бұрын
This is how things you don't own get sold at a company. Honestly Linus transparency is nice but just do yourself a favor and avoid the target and leave stuff like that out of the video..
@unknownguy6402 Ай бұрын
Hi Linus, Intel here: Can I have my server back that we sent and lost three years ago... DM for the return delivery address :D
@aaronrdaniels Ай бұрын
Intel u owe me a 10900k still, that RMA process was not user error.
@tomihawk01 Ай бұрын
No, I'm Intel. And so is my wife.
@ethanegbertno741 Ай бұрын
Intel you still need to give me that 14900k
@raghavawasthi9593 Ай бұрын
intel, you forgot to refund me my $300,000, when are you going to do?
@Cimlite Ай бұрын
I am Sparta... _whoops, I meant..._ Intel! Yes, I am Intel.
@jp-ny2pd Ай бұрын
The Optane Persistent Memory was really good for databases where you had a large amount of random RW IOPS. It was still just WAY too expensive for what it was though.
@fish3977 Ай бұрын
I wonder if the price was an "inherent issue" with the technology or due to economics of scale
@ashtonhoward5582 Ай бұрын
@@fish3977 I feel like it's always economies of scale. I doubt it's particularly exotic under the hood, just different enough to need new manufacturing lines.
@djordje1999 Ай бұрын
it's cheaper to buy more servers and scale horizontally and you will get much higher IOPS.. ofc if you are using distributed database..
@jp-ny2pd Ай бұрын
@@djordje1999 When it came out it was a pretty unique thing for a while. But essentially yeah, a year or two later you could just slap NVMe's in a bunch of servers and shard/fragment/split the workload. Optane still good for latency like they demonstrated but I just never saw much of a need for it. I don't think most workloads are sensitive enough to tell the difference between 10ms and 1ms latency. If it is you just throw terabytes of real ram at it now and solve the persistency issue another way.
@TheDemocrab 28 күн бұрын
@@fish3977Partially economies of scale, partially Intel trying the same con they tried once with Rambus again. (Trying to use their market domination to break in a new memory tech with a tonne of patent baggage which means any companies not in on the con are very reluctant to try and figure out manufacturing the stuff unless they have to.) It's a real shame honestly, if it became a true standard free from any single company then it'd have a whole range of uses across the board. Even on my main desktop I wouldn't mind getting a 128GB PCIe drive to use as a dedicated swap device; the latency means it'd be faster than anything else used for swap even much newer NVMe SSDs, the write endurance would benefit that kind of usage and the non-volatility would allow it to remain suitable for hibernation and the like.
@DanielFSmith Ай бұрын
FYI: a cryptographic erase doesn't do any (significant) writes: it just erases the key and assumes an adversary will be unable to retrieve the old encrypted data.
@thewiirocks 26 күн бұрын
I think their point is that the system will have to refill that RAM on every boot, which requires a lot more writing than a storage drive that would just keep it around.
@wesselm180 Ай бұрын
00:28 That's a big write off you got there.
@MasterCraft_48 Ай бұрын
The IRS forgot about the 150k server too
@user-fe8hp6jv9f Ай бұрын
Waiting for another 20 min segment of Linus raging on the WAN show.
@TheCasualSubculturist Ай бұрын
Fuck.. you got here first.
@Perseca Ай бұрын
"Why do we still have this server, Linus?" "Take a guess, Luke." "Because you can write it off?" "Because I can write it off."
@Mrmcfastman Ай бұрын
Glad to see someone else read between the lines
@Kaenguruu Ай бұрын
With Motherboard BIOSs it's like with tutorials for port forwarding: "You just open you routers thingie and then I can't help you because every one has a different idea of where to put it"
@sweet.2881 Ай бұрын
SUCH A GOOD COMPARISON
@ChucklesTheChicken Ай бұрын
lmao so true
@GameCyborgCh Ай бұрын
or PSU manufacturers uses different pinouts on their power supplies, not even within the same model now
@Smokex365 Ай бұрын
That's also assuming they even still call it ports. AT&T when I worked for them insisted on calling them pinholes. That was annoying as hell having to translate between their stupid kb articles (which any of the untrained techs would adhere to) and the actual naming.
@WayStedYou Ай бұрын
That sounds like the horizontal shuffle too.
@maxwvm7345 Ай бұрын
0:58 Doing firefly dirty here... ye may take my home take my land tell me where I cannot stand.. but with this crazy ass PC I will be serenity
@4RILDIGITAL Ай бұрын
The insights about Intel's optane were really informative. It's fascinating how something so remarkable could flop in the market due to timing and competition.
@Raivo_K Ай бұрын
The pricing did not help either. It was super expensive. Even now the only PCIe 4.0 Optane model you can buy (P5800X) costs you a nice $800+ used for mere 400GB. Not to mention Intel's stupid decision to keep it to themselves and not license the technology out to other manufacturers,. They could be making a buck on every Optane sold for decades. Instead they are now stuck with half a billion dollar inventory most people dont want.
@sbrazenor2 27 күн бұрын
They entirely forgot that Optane isn't actually dead, but now a spun off company named Solidigm.
@Raivo_K 27 күн бұрын
@@sbrazenor2Optane - is dead. The SSD division than intel sold is called Solidigm. Two different things. Optane was the marketing name. 3DXpoint was the technology name and "Phase Change Memory" was the technology itself. Theoretically someone else could develop something based on this technology in the future.
@Sageofthewhisper Ай бұрын
I vacuumed my rug and when I went to clean out the vacuum I found seven of these that I had forgotten about.
@megapro125 Ай бұрын
You won't believe what I found in my basement last weekend. 5 floor-to-ceiling packed pallets with sealed optane drives. That's 3 more pallets than I found two days earlier in the basement.
@PhilipUlrich Ай бұрын
I almost made a joke about Linus needing to make this video so he could write off the expense.. but I didn’t want to hear him go on that rant during the WAN show again. 😂
@918Boyz Ай бұрын
if that division is gone and they liquidated inventory then he has to do the vid this fiscal quarter. Now it has a business purpose and likely keeps it from being a $150k gift. 😂😂😂
@Senthiuz Ай бұрын
HMRC isn't going to let them just expense a $150,000 server, gotta capitalize and depreciate.
@jasenrock Ай бұрын
Your not that special
@undercatviper Ай бұрын
We might get cheap screwdrivers tho
@lawrencejob Ай бұрын
@@Senthiuz it's a bit outside of their jurisdiction
@DaSyEnTisT Ай бұрын
I know a couple of SQL instances that would loooooove that precious ram !!
@trustytrojan Ай бұрын
love how everyone is saying this 😂 makes sense considering most sql dbs are just huge hashtables
@nekomakhea9440 Ай бұрын
Crackhead idea: what if you use that optane server as a cache the entirety of your video server for a Blazingly Faster(tm) video editing experience? Or a stupidly fast Steam cache for the LAN party center?
@Tungil90 Ай бұрын
Well for 4k video 6tb probably is not enough, as I suppose they have multiple editors working at once. But the steam cache is probably a good idea! However networking will limit the speed substantially, I think... And latency is not a benefit if you just want to grab 120gb of the newest cod...? Hm just thinking out loud. What do you think?
@tanmaypanadi1414 Ай бұрын
floatplane cache....
@SuperGeekTime Ай бұрын
i found two of those lying around in my garage yesterday
@urmom1144 Ай бұрын
same found a couple in my cats bed
@EkiToji Ай бұрын
I should check inside my GameCube.
@G89- Ай бұрын
Yeah, my dog sniffed one up too Don't know how he trained for that though...
@Melovi Ай бұрын
Accidentally choked on one while eating breakfast
@reililithbob5541 Ай бұрын
I can’t go to a yard sale without tripping over a couple
@tehkast Ай бұрын
That one guy at optain tryign to save the incoming closure "I swear LTT said they will be making a video will give us the exposure we need just wait" ...
@ChristianStout Ай бұрын
RIP in peace to that guy
@nocturn9x Ай бұрын
@@ChristianStout Rest In Peace in Peace? LoL
@Alejandro192011 Ай бұрын
@@nocturn9x Don't you mean lol out loud?
@nocturn9x Ай бұрын
@@Alejandro192011🤣
@lnfinyx Ай бұрын
yea, lol= lol out loud, so that means lol out loud out loud which means lol out loud out loud out loud, etc etc etc @@Alejandro192011
@SRVZephyr Ай бұрын
That Firefly joke is cruel and unusual. Time to go rewatch it I guess
@anonymeperson4193 Ай бұрын
now that you mention youtube thumbnails, one of the best things i ever did was download a browser extension called de-arrow, that essentially changes every youtube title and thumbnail to either a community submitted frame from the video and title or just a random frame and removes all caps from it.
@nicolocatanese3477 Ай бұрын
Yeah sure, i just store my 200k servers in my attic. Forget them all the time I feel you linus
@LinusTechTips Ай бұрын
we are kin -LS
@misamsy3482 Ай бұрын
no other reply let me fix that
@abyananas6227 Ай бұрын
No other "other" reply, let me fix that.
@NarikGaming Ай бұрын
No other "other "other"" reply. I will fix nothing
@norpse9370 Ай бұрын
Must be nice to afford an attic after buying one of these, I could only afford a basement. Fml
@Arafenion Ай бұрын
That cruel firefly reference opened some wounds... not shiny
@shaikhulud1989 Ай бұрын
Gorram verse is too cruel
@GPHawaii Ай бұрын
Browncoats unite!
@richardsteiner8992 Ай бұрын
Doubleplusunshiny
@PhilRennie Ай бұрын
It's still too soon for that
@majd2 Ай бұрын
I love linus (or the editors) ability to explain complex high tech stuff in such nice and simple way...underrated skills..good job guys
@LokiCDK Ай бұрын
Postgresql database server with caching enabled. There's some optane benchmarks I want to see.
@Jehty21 Ай бұрын
It's crazy that just such a short time ago Optane was praised as this "holy grail" and desirable thing. And then suddenly it disappeared and now no one is talking about anymore.
@Derpalerpa Ай бұрын
Kinda makes me sad honestly.
@AndyMitchellUK26 Ай бұрын
It didn't help that like Linus mentioned, they locked it down to only making sense when paired with their top tier CPUs. It didn't make sense having 1TB support when like mentioned, you could easily just buy 1TB of server RAM anyway. They also didn't help themselves in the consumer space by locking it down to only working on Optane approved motherboards (which meant it locked out AMD CPU users from using it as it was intended). Proprietary tech is not always good and this proved it, even if it was good.
@WayStedYou Ай бұрын
Another on the pile of dead intel promises
@tanmaypanadi1414 Ай бұрын
there are other 3d nand alternatives that got way more support from the OEMs. I think it's called CXL
@FTreba Ай бұрын
like Linus said, it was too little, too late. It was the coolest sh*t at the time of its inception, but by the time it showed up on the shelves, you could buy all the RAM you'll ever need for $200 and gen 4 SSDs that will outlive the heat death of the universe at about the same price. And as such, there is simply no point.
@GhostSniper1204 Ай бұрын
2:41 that math ain't mathing
@urgay1992 Ай бұрын
Only off by one order of magnitude, I call that close enough.
@TenForceFalls Ай бұрын
I was making sure I also wasn’t insane. I even opened my calculator
@phoenix9531 Ай бұрын
@@TenForceFallsThe insert is wrong. He says it correctly 10 seconds prior.
@-lolus- Ай бұрын
@@phoenix9531 well, the text shows 6TB soo still incorect
@Preske Ай бұрын
you expect math from the same people who forgot a 150k server?
@TheBibliofilus Ай бұрын
I bet Wendell would do some really weird homebrew AI with it, if it got lost down in Kentucky...
@tanmaypanadi1414 Ай бұрын
Wendell has access to boards of optane. Moore the merrier.
@billy65bob Ай бұрын
6:00 I don't know how to do this, but... it should theoretically be possible to write a small C library you inject yourself to override how malloc works. Then you just do your own malloc on the octane drives, and failing that, forward to the base implementation. A mate of mine did something similar using an OpenGL extension to use VRAM as RAM.
@Cobinja Ай бұрын
0:57 Oh, that hurts. I'm a leaf on the wind.
@VivienFRENOT Ай бұрын
Whatch how i soar
@KenS1267 Ай бұрын
Browncoats unite!
@black8ight Ай бұрын
I will annualy leave a new comment there ... just for the sentimental value.
@A-Parently_Gaming Ай бұрын
"Watch how I---" *squelch* *thunk*
@BennyColyn Ай бұрын
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal
@AusSkiller Ай бұрын
0:58 Oof, that Firefly reference cuts deep.
@guility Ай бұрын
That's actually impressively good for databases. Also, it fits surprisingly good to the lean Enterprise environment, where you don't yet need the distributed side of Enterprise, though having all the requirements on persistence.
@jajssblue Ай бұрын
10:23 Listen up thumbnail complainers! Your fate is in your hands! My money is on status quo because humans are predictable.
@time-alinge Ай бұрын
Jokes on them I use dearrow to change my thumbnails so I don't even have to complain as my thumbnails are never bad. So do something about it if you don't like the trends. Also are there that many complainers
@jajssblue Ай бұрын
@@time-alingeJust check out the LTT subreddit. It's often a cesspool of people who hate LTT for some reason. I feel like this topic is brought up constantly. Also see many comments on PCMR and Gamer's Nexus subreddits.
@Raivo_K Ай бұрын
@@time-alingeSame. Also DeArrow user here. It also changes the video titles. I hate having to open a video to find out what it's about. Only to find out im not interested and close it. Honestly i could live with the thumbnails but i hate non descriptive/clickbait video titles. Imagine searching for a video on specific topic only to be greeted with clickbait titles.
@n_core Ай бұрын
@@Raivo_K For me it's the opposite. I used that extension before and it actually made me open each of the videos to find out what it's about. Because the thumbnail usually summarizes the whole video for me instead of a random frame from the video. Kinda counter productive you might say.
@FAB1150 Ай бұрын
2:41 the writer forgot a 0 :D
@benwu7980 Ай бұрын
50GBx12 = ?6TB oO , pretty basic fail.
@inherentlyflawed Ай бұрын
@@benwu7980it’s a typo…
@inherentlyflawed Ай бұрын
Also read the pinned comment, it specifically mentions you
@fish3977 Ай бұрын
engagement farming /s
@tanmaypanadi1414 Ай бұрын
@@inherentlyflawedThe original comment was 6 hour ago while the pinned comment came later so 🕳️
@AndrewMuraco Ай бұрын
One use case that actually is engineered for the pmem mode of Optane is Aerospike, and you generally only use Aerospike in very specific industries but boy when it’s the right tool for the job it’s killer over other nosql solutions
@latioseon7794 Ай бұрын
I'm sad that Optane is gone as their Xpoint drives with their insane latency and endurance makes them a really good OS drive and seems like no one else has achieved those I/O speeds since and the crazy new innovations they came up with are really cool too
@Eli-zb2yj Ай бұрын
Imagine linus dropping the $150,000 server
@CanIHasThisName Ай бұрын
It probably happened, they just didn't show it. Now, years later, it started working again mysteriously, so they made a video.
@GameCyborgCh Ай бұрын
it's solid state, it'll be fine
@hubertnnn Ай бұрын
@@GameCyborgCh Linus: Hold my beer
@79huddy Ай бұрын
Him and the crew should get a couple bat's and go full office space on that server just for the giggles
@xHyperElectric Ай бұрын
I’m so glad the intros are back for good!
@LCARSx32 Ай бұрын
Since it showed up as an option ROM its likely a separate card that has that portion of the BIOS on it. Option ROMs are kinda like plugins but for your BIOS. Cards and periferals can supply an option ROM whenever they need to add functionality your BIOS doesn't have built in.
@chasesidaway Ай бұрын
Absolutely no one, Linus we were going to do spring cleaning, but we found my missing $150,00 server, now for our segway to our sponsor.
@jeanotzubler2477 Ай бұрын
2:40 Somehow I don't think 12 floatplane exclusives times 50GB = 6TB... more like 600GB
@jperoutek Ай бұрын
stick says 512 gb on it
@fallenone4108 Ай бұрын
Later in the video it says 512GB per stick which equals the 6.144T there are talking about.
@swiit1 Ай бұрын
@@fallenone4108 I think they goofed in the script and just claimed each floatplane exclusive is 500gb (500*12 would be 6tb which would fit the "fit 12 floatplane exclusives in system ram" statement) All while showing text on the screen claiming each fp exclusive is 50gb not 500gb. confusing to say the least, but surely a single fp high bitrate exclusive isnt 500gb? then again, never watched one so for all i know theyre 8hrs long.
@ElNeroDiablo Ай бұрын
12 x 512GiB Optane sticks + 12 x 32GiB DDR4 sticks. That's 6528GiB (or 6.375TiB, since 1024 GiB = 1TiB) of memory.
@jeanotzubler2477 Ай бұрын
@@jperoutekI'm talking about the floatplane exclusives that he mentioned, not about the memory capacity
@Air377. Ай бұрын
Rookie numbers. I forgot my 500k Nasa Computer in my basement. Found it today👍
@PrecludeLP Ай бұрын
If only you had demonstrated this tech right after receiving the hardware. LTT might have single-handedly saved Intel's Optane Division. /s
@MikVision Ай бұрын
They are pretty irrelevant in the enterprise space. I can tell you as someone that worked in the data center.
@supersuede91 Ай бұрын
Bruh LTT is for gamers and noobs like me not professionals
@korumann Ай бұрын
It'd be fun to see more videos like this about products and projects that for one reason or another just didn't pan out.
@SinisterSlay1 Ай бұрын
Died just when it would have got useful. LLMs and image generators need huge amounts of memory. To the point where it is semi common practice to just set a swap file on SSDs and just replace it every few months when it runs out of writes.
@cartoonhead9222 Ай бұрын
That's pretty much why it died. People just resorted to using much cheaper storage as 'RAM'.
@hubertnnn Ай бұрын
@@cartoonhead9222 In other words, it was too expensive for what it does. The question is, was it so expensive to manufacture, or did intel just want too high of a margin.
@morosis82 Ай бұрын
@@hubertnnnit was actually a tricky tech to manufacture, I think the problem was it never got popular enough for it to hang around long enough to get the improvements that take lots of time. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back once someone figures a hack to the manufacture that gets it a lot cheaper. It is still a cool tech, just too expensive and too niche to have taken off in a huge way like Intel and Micron wanted.
@Zenku763 Ай бұрын
Oh, I did that too last week!
@O43Z98 29 күн бұрын
I not even disappointed this is late. I've been wanting a comprehensive breakdown of what happened with optane. ( I'm only to the Segue so far. Can't wait)
@thekwoka4707 Ай бұрын
This makes a lot of sense for use cases like APFS allow where the storage can be used as swap memory.
@jajssblue Ай бұрын
16:45 Sounds like Intel needs to "write off" that Optane inventory.
@stevewoods76 Ай бұрын
Loving the Firefly season 2 joke
@Dono0320 Ай бұрын
I got an Optane drive and found it quite good at holding my hard drives index data on my TrueNas box. Great at speeding up the hard drives slow random reads and writes. I wish intel stuck with Optane longer, felt like they did not give it a long enough chance to penetrate the market. Also opening it up would have helped a lot.
@carlosdominguez3108 Ай бұрын
I have a P5800x as my Windows OS drive. Snappiest computer experience I've ever had, can basically never kill the drive, and can literally open 100 programs at the same time with not a stutter. Optane is wild, and still worth it.
@LycanWitch Ай бұрын
8:15 That call out to Emily.. I miss Emily, I hope She chooses to return in front of the cameras again sometime. She was such an amazing LTT video host and seeing these technical videos without her knowledge and input just isn't the same.
@TheTom951guitar Ай бұрын
2nd'd!
@ExarchGaming Ай бұрын
she's probably afraid of the more reactionary parts of the LTT audience. Which makes me extremely sad. We all miss Emily.
@3800fiero Ай бұрын
I will shout for joy if I see her in another video! Great host, knowledgable and humble. Overall great person.
@LycanWitch Ай бұрын
@@ExarchGaming yeah this has been my worry as well. However, I have a feeling Emily isn't the type of person who is easily phased by bullying or any transphobe, as Emily to me has always seemed like the type of individual who's immune to bullying and above hate. Rather, I hope that the reason they've been off camera is is she is focusing on transitioning, such as waiting until she has some feminizing procedures performed before returning to the limelight (i.e. laser/electrolysis, or even surgical procedures like FFS and breast augmentation, not to mention, the subsequent recovery time), so that when they do decide to return in front of a camera, they can be and project the self-image they wish to share with the world :) Either case, I hope she returns, and her staying away isn't a permanent. As someone who is transgender, seeing someone prominent within the tech media space as Emily was, is so inspiring not only to me but likely countless others who too are trans, gender non-conforming, and allies within the tech sphere.
@Smykeify Ай бұрын
I miss seeing Emily on here, definitely a noticeable void in the LTT videos since her departure, I hope it isn't because of the loud minorities comments and hopefully she is just working on herself but seeing all the horrible comments on her announcement video I wouldn't blame her from not wanting to be on camera again. All the best to her either way she is an invaluable part of the team and I definitely miss seeing her present.
@Scarlet_Soul Ай бұрын
2:41 : 50GB x 12 = 6TB? Erm...is that why you always need new storage servers?
@fallenone4108 Ай бұрын
Later in the video it says 512GB per stick which equals the 6.144T there are talking about.
@Scarlet_Soul Ай бұрын
@@fallenone4108 2:41 is them saying the size of their floatplane videos
@r0galik Ай бұрын
I use 16 GB 2nd gen nvme optane SSDs as the boot drives in my single board computers. They work nicely. I also built an Optane thumb drive with a 2242 module and an enclosure.
@kinetics1045 Ай бұрын
He makes it a vision to new people to do crazy stuff and having that speed allowed people better understand the power and the idea it’s possible
@andljoy Ай бұрын
3DXpoint was insane , it was and still is the best for your boot drive as the latency is so good.
@GameCyborgCh Ай бұрын
sucked that they never made them for consumers. Small harddrive accelerators or enterprise grade (with a price tag to match). Sure there was the 900p but that retailed for 400 bucks for a 280 gig drive, when that came out you could have probably bought a 4TB NVME ssd for that price
@nocturn9x Ай бұрын
@@GameCyborgChConsidering you can buy a 4TB NvME for about 300 bucks now, that sounds about right
@Raivo_K Ай бұрын
@@nocturn9xAnd they only made enterprise PCIe 4.0 Optane (P5800X) that even today costs a cool $800+ for mere 400GB model. It's very competitive with PCIe 4.0 NvME in performance, even in sequential performance where 905P gets destroyed but it's so expensive that last summer i could have bought nearly 16TB worth of PCIe 4.0 NAND for that money.
@iziro Ай бұрын
So annoying when I leave a revolutionary 150k worth of server in a warehouse for 3 years
@1armbiker Ай бұрын
Intel hasn’t made anything revolutionary in 15 years.
@GeekProdigyGuy Ай бұрын
@@1armbiker optane absolutely was, and tbh still is, revolutionary -- even the best SCM today only comes to a close second to 2nd gen optane from 2020... they made a series of stupid business decisions all mentioned in the video.
@nocturn9x Ай бұрын
@@1armbikerimagine being so stuck in fanboy land to cope this hard. Not trying to shit on AMD btw, their stuff is amazing. But Intel has done a lot of cool stuff too. They just sat on their laurels for too long in the consumer space
@Ghennesph Ай бұрын
I mean, 905Ps are selling, they're often in the hot-items list for enterprise storage. If optane had been priced reasonably, and not been vendor locked, we'd probably all be using it by now, for root/boot, with nand for game libraries.
@daviddrake4715 Ай бұрын
Too soon hitting us with that Firefly reference there. Now all the misbehaving around LTT makes scene...... Ye are all Browncoats.... SHINY!!!
@pawa-cu1dv Ай бұрын
6:28 but it would be a tax write off
@furaznl Ай бұрын
KZfaq has what now? AB Testing thumbnails? Hold my beer
@samwalker7567 Ай бұрын
Yeah, that was just casually dropped in there and it's a huge deal that LTT/LMG are using it now.
@hubertnnn Ай бұрын
I was wondering why thumbnails keep changing every time I refresh the page.
@morosis82 Ай бұрын
@@samwalker7567 they've been using it for a while and have talked about it a fair bit.
@sloc_ Ай бұрын
Optane was a technology that I always hoped would eventually come down in price and become common for consumer use. After Wendell from level1 showed how it affected operating system responsiveness in a video, I was hooked. I check every few months to see if the price of a 1.6tb p5800x come down, only to be disappointed to see that they still go for $3000 on Newegg. I feel like this will be a technology in 10 or 20 years that I will be able to get at a recycling center by luck and finally get to experience its greatness long after it’s obsolete. What a bumber
@ulator4820 Ай бұрын
6:20 a dubious ROI? Nah, just write it off! 😅
@johnb0815 Ай бұрын
so optane requires normal ram? why not put both on a single DIMM and get benefits form both types?
@hubertnnn Ай бұрын
I think it requires a paired normal ram only in RAM mode. In HDD mode it does not need to be paired with RAM.
@999Crazyy Ай бұрын
What a great 150k write off 👍
@zacharyyearling3147 28 күн бұрын
now with the closeout deals how about a video on how to set up and use optain for some home user situations? home server, gaming, NAS, and any other weird use situations along with how to set them up.
@gimmickmusic8827 Ай бұрын
7:12 THANK YOU! I have been complaining about how motherboards in general still feel like the wild west. It’s insane that we still don’t just have a standardized plug for front IO or that menus are always so drastically different.
@Rehbet Ай бұрын
It's a shame LTT killed Optane by ignoring Intel's last ditch effort to build hype for the product by sending $150,000 worth of hardware to a popular youtuber to showcase. Hope it was worth it Andy
@ChristianStout Ай бұрын
In a different timeline, Optane + 3D V-cache cannibalize DRAM entirely. With the combined capacity of V-cache and speed/latency of PCIe5 Optane, DRAM would be rendered unnecessary.
@DigitalJedi Ай бұрын
There's some dark future where on-package HBM, 3D cache, and 3D X-point (optane) would make a ram monster. You could have 10s of MB of cache, a small pool of HBM to feed the iGPU, and then a big pool of optane storage that is basically both the SSD and main ram.
@nocturn9x Ай бұрын
@@DigitalJedithat sounds awesome tbh
@ChristianStout Ай бұрын
@@DigitalJedi The latest Xeons now have HBM on package, so I bet that feature will trickle down to Core CPUs before the end of the decade.
@DigitalJedi Ай бұрын
@ChristianStout We'll kind of see it later this year! Lunar Lake will have all of its lpddr5x on-package, but won't have any external additional channels.
@scsextra Ай бұрын
I’ve roasted you guys enough and Billet has had their day in the sun over on GN. The subtle nod to forgetting is hilarious.
@snooks5607 Ай бұрын
3:15 what also increases it's endurance greatly is to keep it offline in a closet
@nmweissm Ай бұрын
THE RICER PC BAIT IN THE BEGINNING AAAAAAAAAA FINISH THE PC LINUS
@UntouchedWagons Ай бұрын
Give it to Jeff at Craft Computing, he's been on a bit of a bender lately buying weird servers that no one else wants.
@nickloper2542 Ай бұрын
Absolutely this!
@jaymorrison2419 Ай бұрын
I had an Optane chip in my i7700k era PC, which did a pretty good job speeding up my (at the time) 2T hybrid Hard Drives. Sadly (or not depending on your view) its been gone for a couple of years now, as NVME drives got cheap enough at a high enough capacity to swap out the old 3.5" drives.
@watercannonscollaboration2281 Ай бұрын
Saw the pinned comment, reminds me of a time when I was browsing through a pile of IT return at my company, and there was a dev kit for Intel Denverton. Opened, but never removed from the packaging, it was just a black cooler master PC case
@chromeeh Ай бұрын
That mainboard and chassis bending at 0:18 😵💫
@thomashd9698 Ай бұрын
You can use the huge amount of memory to run the largest possible large language models.
@nocturn9x Ай бұрын
You think 6TB is enough for an LLM with trillions of parameters? Hah, you're funny.
@swcommander1661 Ай бұрын
@@nocturn9xRiiight 🤔
@dtmgfx5184 Ай бұрын
Hi guys, as a vfx artist, would love to see some houdini simulations on these videos, Ocean or pyro sims will easily scale up to fill up memory (and compute) tasks at hand. and as someone who mainly uses off the shelf consumer hardware, would be lovely to see how high end servers would perform.
@PashPaw 28 күн бұрын
Someone I know uses Optane in their desktop PC. When it was built about five and a half years ago, 1TB SSDs were still uncommon and expensive. It gets used as a storage cache so the spinning HDDs he has stores and retrieves data to and from the Optane module. It's really bizarre stuff. Neat but bizarre.
@iBridgee Ай бұрын
This server costs more than my entire college education.
@TheChemizzle Ай бұрын
You got lucky, it's almost half the price of mine lol.
@kaspersergej Ай бұрын
Wait, you guys pay for education? 😂
@avonbarksdale2506 Ай бұрын
@@TheChemizzleyou got scammed then lol
@MrScorpianwarrior Ай бұрын
@avonbarksdale2506 Someone with 2 - going on 3 - degrees here, all college prices are a scam 🙄
@ohioplayer-bl9em Ай бұрын
My house
@Glenn938 Ай бұрын
Very nice job! This was so good I broke up with my girlfriend, ghosted her, disowned my parents, and quit my job. I burned all my belongings.I soon got evicted for not paying rent, but had the cops force me out. I then became addicted to fentanyl. Now I watch this while tweakin.
@shuuko_tenoh Ай бұрын
I'm honestly not even sure what I am going to do with the 1TB of ram in my newest server that I acquired for cheap. While the obligatory "Please send" would be fun, most people outside of large companies that could have bought it anyway wouldn't even be able to come up with proper use cases for a server of this caliber. Would make a fun project for a super low latency Minecraft (or other game with large maps to load) server. Chunks would load faster than people could traverse them.
@CrypticConsole Ай бұрын
you can probably use MMAP with storage mode and get super high performance persistent storage for stuff like LLM inference with llama cpp
@evierivka402 Ай бұрын
Shout out to Emily for coming in clutch for the video and this amazing project.
@BravoCharleses Ай бұрын
We miss you, Emily, and hope you're doing well. :-)
@stragen0013 Ай бұрын
Need to see some Emily vids again. They were always my favourite
@Jacob-my4fj Ай бұрын
So glad to see someone else bringing Emily up. I miss seeing them in videos.
@mattboje6747 Ай бұрын
Emily was great, miss seeing them in videos, nice for Linus to shout them out!
@supersuede91 Ай бұрын
Based Emily
@blue-obsidian Ай бұрын
Only Linus can spend $150,000 and forget it 😂😢😢
@Fitnessdickinmymouth Ай бұрын
$1,000,000 1PB SSD server project?
@C0mmanderX Ай бұрын
they were given a sample to review. he didnt buy it and they didnt want it back
@bgrossish 29 күн бұрын
I'm really liking the intro being back on the latest videos.
@erlandjohansen7195 27 күн бұрын
Linus' voice: It could change our thumbnail practices! Linus' face: It 100% won't, because we absolutely know what the testing will show
@gregorypaulding7183 Ай бұрын
Praise be to Emily nice job!!!
@daniegamin Ай бұрын
8:17 Ayy, Emily mention! Glad she's shill with y'all last time she want in a video a bunch of people were assholes and I'm glad they didn't scare her off. ❤❤
@barnysgaming Ай бұрын
ive seen so many of those 16gb Optane sticks failing or causing issues with PC's and laptops. I used to keeps them and had about 30 at one point.
@grdprojekt Ай бұрын
Funny that, I just rewatched the unboxing video yesterday and wondered where the 2nd part is.
@SplurginSergeon Ай бұрын
Is this you writing off Intel's write off?
@RadialSeeker113 Ай бұрын
8:00 true enthusiasts go through every single setting in every sub menu. Just like they do with games, dram overclocks, their router or even a bios. Not going though the entire bios on something worth $150k is ridiculous. And I'm saying this as someone who has done over 5 dozen server builds since epyc gen 1
@julkkis666 Ай бұрын
Exactly this. This was the first thing i did when i got my fujitsu system.
@excellent1713 29 күн бұрын
Man, I hate forgetting about my 150,000 server. Knowing I'm not the only one makes me less embarrassed, thx linus😘
@tassadarforaiur Ай бұрын
Dcpmm is really interesting now that compatible servers are on the used market. Would love to see a video about how that memory works for truenas caching
@prodbymalek Ай бұрын
10k views fell off
@acornexpresspro230 Ай бұрын
Malek it hasn’t even been a hour yet
@prodbymalek Ай бұрын
@@acornexpresspro230 joke
@jamopopper Ай бұрын
another Emily mention at 8:14 !! cant wait to see her in videos again if she chooses to!!
@stoneylonely6416 Ай бұрын
Love Linus! LOL great vid as always
@ThatGamePerson Ай бұрын
Emily lives!!!! Mentioned at 8:14. I hope things are going swell for them! Also, I think this might be dope for like a Redis cache but, I have a hard time coming up with better use cases.
@shortboard_89 Ай бұрын
I hope Emily can make a regular return to the screen soon but I understand why she might not want to.
@KidoKatsuragi Ай бұрын
Yeah, those 16G nvme sticks are perfect for zfs write cache in your DYI NAS.
@jeffclark5206 Ай бұрын
I would love a server like that for our indie game dev team. Would make a lot of tasks so much faster omg.
@DamianTheFirst Ай бұрын
hate when it happens. Last week I found my 200k server that fell behind by bookcase and I completely forgot about it. I know your pain, bro in all seriousness - yesterday YT recommended me to watch unboxing of this device, so I was really surprised to see part 2 today
@wildhogOW 29 күн бұрын
Ahh, yes, casually forgetting about a $150.000 server, like forgetting about the $40 order from Amazon a week ago.
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