I Found The Most INSANELY COMPLICATED Magic The Gathering Knock-Off

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Every card game has it's place these days, but back in the 90s, it was the wild west of card games. In the wake of Magic The Gathering, absolutely anyone and everyone threw their hat in the ring to take a at it. Today we're looking at the first ever Magic The Gathering clone (that i could get hold of at least) TOWERS IN TIME!
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0:00 INTRO
2:30 WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT
6:30 THE CARDS
9:51 WAYLAND GAMES SPONSOR
13:19 HOW IT PLAYS
19:53 FINAL THOUGHTS

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@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

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@Grahamshobbycorner 5 ай бұрын

At wayland, at wayland!

@procrastianArt 5 ай бұрын

Came for the accessible hobby tips, stayed for the patreon, and now absolutely here for the "what in the unholy time capsule of forgotten relics is this" content.

@vee_tinymoose 5 ай бұрын

Agree!!

@erikdavis3584 5 ай бұрын

Hecatomb was a fun game that shot itself in the foot by having pentagonal cards made of transparent plastic.

@WeeblokesBlogspot 5 ай бұрын

When the call was made for other games Hecatomb was what hit my mind certainly.

@orbitaltrash 5 ай бұрын

"They will in fact calm up" Story of my life, Teal'c. Didn't know how right you were.

@LibertyMonk 5 ай бұрын

Possibly the most iconic line of season 2. There are a couple other contenders, but this one is so memeable.

@OfficialSilentPLAYS 4 ай бұрын

What is an Oprah?

@heretical_hobbyist 5 ай бұрын

As someone who considers himself at least reasonably well versed in the world of Trading Card Games over the last 20 years (Magic, Pokemon, and just started in Lorcana), this glimpse of the ruleset absolutely fried my brain. Gotta say, I loved this video. Not something I could imagine many people would even entertain the idea of even doing, so kudos to you! I look forward to seeing more of these!

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Aye it’s sooooo dense. I think it took me so long to understand it, I ended up just talking for 20 minutes because the rules is all I could think about

@Lovecraftian88 5 ай бұрын

The X-Files trading card game was actually dope! It’s like if Magic and Clue had a baby, where instead of killing your opponent, you need to guess which X-File he’s working on.

@ravdeepbagri1313 5 ай бұрын

The only thing this guy does is put out bangers. There is so much history in the trading card space, so few are unearthing it.

@Pariahwulfen 5 ай бұрын

"...and possibly the first Magic The Gathering clone ever made." I helped my father sell cards on the side from late '93 until the market fell out with Chronicles in '95, and had at least five alpha sets of MTG clones in my collection by the time this came out... Edit: If you want suggestions, "Jyhad" by WOTC, "Illuminati: New World Order" by Steve Jackson games, "Star Trek" by Decipher Inc.

@simplegarak 5 ай бұрын

Oh man, I have a very nearly complete set of Trek 1E and a lot of 2E still. Fun, fun times. Still have the book they put out on the game.

@JasonBrouwers 5 ай бұрын

“Jyhad” (which became VTES) is actually still alive but small. Very cool game

@simplegarak 5 ай бұрын

@@JasonBrouwers I kind of follow and semi check on all sorts of communities that keep these older games alive. Can you drop a link?

@JasonBrouwers 5 ай бұрын

@@simplegarak I tried to drop a link but it looks like youtube ate it. Just google Black Chantry (for the company that controls it now) and the Elder Kindred Network for the community

@eeyuup 5 ай бұрын

Oh damn, that Illuminati game. I remember reading about it years ago.

@shorelessskies 5 ай бұрын

You know you’re good at this when you make a highly enjoyable video about a decades-dead card game

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Haha! Cheers mate

@justharry2190 5 ай бұрын

"not frog or tortoise compatibel" that has to be a new sentence.

@waynesolo 5 ай бұрын

I lost it when you started picking up the 14 cards. Well done, Dave! And side note, you should do the "Young Jedi" card game. It was simple and VERY good, just based on The Phantom Menace. It was a well done and clear to understand system.

@Kerros85 5 ай бұрын

Yes! Loved that game. Only CCG I ever got into.

@everettehungerford2858 5 ай бұрын

I first played Magic whenever Mirage launched and always wondered what the other card games were like, but my lunch money went exclusively to Magic cards. I really want to see more in this series!

@Ariamaki 5 ай бұрын

I remember contemporary articles about this Thing in inquest and other MTG mags at the time. The name alone threw me back HARD.

@fishisyum 5 ай бұрын

There was a pirate ship "card game" where you got punch out plastic ships and fought over getting treasure and stuff. That'd be one to look into Edit: Pirates constructable strategy game by wizkids

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Sounds cute! I'm innnnnn

@ericharlaux289 5 ай бұрын

Pirates of the Spanish Main. Was really big around 2004 to 2008 or so?

@fishisyum 5 ай бұрын

@@ericharlaux289That one!

@GhostCryProductions 4 ай бұрын

I strangely know what you speak of. Saw the commercial and thought it was neat. Never got it, though.

@Kerros85 5 ай бұрын

Love the call out to Seaquest Dave. First show I made it a point to watch every week of my own volition. Own all three seasons on DVD.

@johnhobkinson560 5 ай бұрын

I was trying to explain seaquest to my partner about a month ago. Was it the one season or two that Michael Ironside was captain?

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Haven’t watched it in years but definitely feel it needs a background re watch.

@Kerros85 5 ай бұрын

The third and final season.@@johnhobkinson560

@foxbat51 5 ай бұрын

Darwin the Dolphin and that kid from VR Troopers? Am I remembering that right? DSV was just wet star trek.

@Kerros85 5 ай бұрын

@@johnhobkinson560 he was captain in the third and final season.

@sovietbear1917 5 ай бұрын

The 90s were a wild time for ccgs. I had almost full sets of Star Trek:TNG and Jyhad (the Vampire: the Masquerade card game). I traded all my old Magic cards and the Star Trek cards for some Weird Al CDs, and kept the Jyhad ones. Held onto them for almost 30 years and they're worth about $12. I chose poorly.

@juriaan13 5 ай бұрын

Jihad was amazing ..instill have them before the name change

@euansmith3699 5 ай бұрын

😆😆😆

@antariuk 5 ай бұрын

This glorious and weird nostalgia trip randomly features better muzzle flashes than 80 percent of recent Hollywood action flicks. Whatever it is you do Dave, don't stop doing it!

@jonbauml225 5 ай бұрын

Babylon 5 was great. They had a miniatures game if you want to paint some

@CheessusRiced 5 ай бұрын

That sponsor break was incredibly surreal

@tomatha132 5 ай бұрын

This was an interesting insight into a game I have never heard of and would probably never play because those rules look complex as hell 😂. I could just imagine trying to print off the rulebook in the 90s only to be told to get off the internet because someone needed to use the phone 🤣

@garyknight3018 5 ай бұрын

I ran a comic book / trading card store during this era, what a time! It definitely was the Wild Wild West of collectible card games!

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Every buy-in a gamble i bet! But so fun

@graefx 5 ай бұрын

Pre plague, i would go to gaming conventions and sometimes thered be what we called "The Dead Card Games" booth. Tables pilled high with stuff like this. I remember star trek and buffy games, all manor of late 90s, early 00s anime card games, and even more of stuff Ive never heard of. Sometimes wed grab a couple packs of something and try to play a game. The ShadowRun TCG was one of the most pleasant pack ripping experiences Ive had an not a single rule book to be found lol.

@charmedimsure8852 5 ай бұрын

Heck ya! Drudge Skeleton was in my first pack of MTG that I bought all the way back in , I think '96.. Love the episode.

@PleasantKenobi 5 ай бұрын

This video was actually great. Love to see this kind of stuff from you. More please.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Cheers mate! More in the works!

@rosspope5334 5 ай бұрын

Love these rabbit holes you go down. Awsome stuff

@Kuhnu1 5 ай бұрын

Mate, your content is perfection. Absolutely joy to watch every time.

@ClockworkBananaMoon 5 ай бұрын

3:14 Doom Trooper gave me a very warm, nostalgic blast from the past.

@cargo_vroom9729 Күн бұрын

Wizards own MtG knockoff: Battletech TCG was sweet and I wish I had way more of the cards. They're expensive now, when you can find them.

@johnalbers6153 5 ай бұрын

I adored all the old Decipher games back in the day. LoTR, Star Trek especially....Star wars was fun too. I still have ALL of them

@elfmastercool4734 5 ай бұрын

I love these sorts of videos! Cheers dude

@SoFishtry 5 ай бұрын

Friend shared this with me just to have a giggle at an insane relic of a game, but your video pacing and narration is great. Love to see it, easy sub.

@MentatOfDune 5 ай бұрын

Cool vid. Looking forward to the next weird 90s game

@halfcrafted 5 ай бұрын

Really interesting to see something different like this on the channel, not being a card game person myself beyond Top Trumps and Uno. Hilarious to watch and fun watching your descent into madness at the early game design philosophies. Complexity wasn't even a consideration!

@SpoonyBard88 5 ай бұрын

This is one of the best ideas for a series of videos ever. I've been waiting to see someone do this. There's so much potential.

@JamieCottle1 5 ай бұрын

Love this! Never know what I'll get from your channel but i know it's always quality!

@wastelanderone 5 ай бұрын

This is the first video I've ever seen of your and it was absolutely hilarious, thanks I'm in :D

@digitalwastrel 5 ай бұрын

Great video! One of the very few genuinely funny hobby channels too. I have fond memories of the Decipher Star Wars 90s ccg. In my mind it was great, so a retrospective look back to see if it still holds up might be fun

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Most of Decipher's stuff was pretty gold. Loved Star trek the most!

@jamesfisher5930 5 ай бұрын

I tried out so many tags in the 90s and 2000’s. Ones I remember the most are C-23, Starwars from decipher, Warlords: saga of the storm, and Dragonball z

@robertglesne2330 4 ай бұрын

ULTIMATE COMBAT!! So happy to see it referenced somewhere and not part of some childhood fever dream.

@thomaswilliams5005 5 ай бұрын

Amazing video. You are always so entertaining. And I loved this video. Do more like it

@alexdavies6948 5 ай бұрын

Always a good day when there's a new MSPaints video.

@bradrobertson4995 5 ай бұрын

Liked purely for the body language at "draw 14 cards." Literally flawless. 10/10

@rlnewby 5 ай бұрын

Highlander! also Doomtown and 7th Sea

@jaggedtoothgrin 5 ай бұрын

thanks as always for keeping it real, Tony! What an utterly insane game. I would personally love more of this type of weirdness!

@euansmith3699 5 ай бұрын

"I think I played that in prison once..." I presume that Tony was visiting his sainted mother.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

She's a strong willed woman, i'll say no more!

@STORMP00PER 5 ай бұрын

This video made me laugh out loud multiple times - good job man loved it

@marcusthethief3947 5 ай бұрын

Cracking vid mate. Loving the branch out into other stuff. I’d recommend the 90s Star Trek ccg for some brill shits and giggles

@gstargrave5416 5 ай бұрын

Really loved the variety of 90s ccgs/tcgs. Netrunner, Decipher Star Wars and Trek, Iron Crown's Lord of the Rings game, Doomtown, Mythos, Overpower. Tons of great times and really distinct art styles. 90s was the golden age of card games lol.

@PinkertonMTG 5 ай бұрын

Your video and lighting looks absolutely spectacular. Such a professional presentation, bravo.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Cheers mate!

@Quirky_QF 5 ай бұрын

The CCG rush to be the next Magic was insane back then. Looks like this was a rush job to try and catch the attention but also be different. The fact that the game didn't even come with a rulebook really hammers that point down.

@KleineKassiopeia 5 ай бұрын

as a magic player since the 90s, I love this.

@foogrot 5 ай бұрын

Well i enjoyed this, thanks Dave!

@RedHatRuss 5 ай бұрын

I'd have been maybe 18 or so when ccg fever hit my little town in 1993, and I was hooked on early magic (I got out around Arabian nights). I remember seeing everything imaginable turning into a ccg. I recall blood wars, set in the D&D planescape setting, being fun. My first job was at a local games workshop and all I did was play blood wars with the manager 😂

@jamiekuddle4668 5 ай бұрын

The 90'/2000's were a wild time for TCG games; i dig these looks back on 'em. Keep em up!

@SlimHobbies 5 ай бұрын

Wow. I bought a pack of this back in the 90’s when I was a kid in hopes that it would hit off. I have long but lost those cards, but all I can remember is I had a copy of that Orc Army and a card I think called “The Humble One”. I have been recently searching the internet trying to figure out what this game was called! Thank you so much!

@solarus2120 5 ай бұрын

One that i last saw being played back in around 2003 was Vampire: The Eternal Struggle based on the White Wolf Vampire: The Masquerade game. One I still dabble in, though it's not really a Magic clone, is Decipher's The Lord of the Rings TCG.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Love the lotr game!

@infinitedm5396 5 ай бұрын

1995 also had the release of L5R which was an absolute banger of a card game.

@TheStevejunk 5 ай бұрын

Would love to hear more about Wyvern and Jyhad (latterly Vampire: The Masquerade) Keep up the great work Dave!

@10urion 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the vid :D Huge fan of TCGs and love to get some inside on the earlier market. The shield mechanic was revisited by the TCG "Duel masters" but here you would either activate the shield right away because it had a shield trigger when destroyed or it was put into your hand. This gets around the trouble of loosing out on a shield card. The game came to the western world around 2004 together with an animated series and was distributed by WotC.

@sulmenite6938 5 ай бұрын

This was a welcomed and awesome trip down memory lane ❤

@The1stImpish 5 ай бұрын

Great video, if you were to do this again, would love to see a video on Spellfire. Or Blood Wars!

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Both added to the list! Thank you

@thejamjarastronaut 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for making this! I could've sworn towers in time was a fever dream I had during one year's flu season. Maybe another good dead ccg to look at might be wyvern.

@johnbeaudoin7820 5 ай бұрын

This was obscenely enjoyable; i haven’t been a card game player for over twenty years, but it’s always fun to look at quirky games that are dead on arrival. About 15 years ago I knew a kid that had a starter set for a Hot Wheels (yes, the little toy cars) trading card game. I wonder if that’s floating around on eBay.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Well hot wheels is going on the list!

@elainegallagher6015 5 ай бұрын

Love it 😂 the games I had were Jyhad, the vampire one where the best thing you could do is open up with an assault rifle, and the Illuminati one. No-one I knew did the collecting thing with that one, we all bought the "One With Everything" box

@NathanLazyBear 5 ай бұрын

Right on, I recommend Super Nova, similar off brand card game that makes you customize a cool deck to get to different win conditions, and is very cheap. Cool video glad I checked it out and can't wait for more.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Looking on ebay now! Thanks, mate!

@jahvyn 5 ай бұрын

Great vid, bud. Not into card games at all, but this was very interesting and entertaining. Incidentally, I've been thinking about the 90's/00's a lot recently. I agree that as a teen/20-something this time was especially carefree, due to my age and lack of commitments etc, but I also wonder if it might be more than that. Was it, perhaps, the peak of civilization?! We had a lot of the benefits of a modern world, but also a lot of freedoms - playing out late, far fewer tech distractions, no online/mobile phone access (which is having a profound physiological effect on youngsters), raves were better etc. I know this is hyperbolic, but it does seem to me that perhaps the world has changed in such a dramatic way over the past 10/15 years. Anyway, this was an excellent vid which captured the essence of that period of time. Thanks

@rebeccafishlock226 5 ай бұрын

I would love to see more weird old card games! Its pretty mainstream but the insainity that was early yu gi oh might be worth lookign in ot.

@dawnceccarelli1708 5 ай бұрын

I found a towers of time starter deck at goodwill and it’s been driving me crazy trying to find information on it, thank you

@Nekorook 5 ай бұрын

More of this is you stumble upon other old and dead card games

@theunease5541 5 ай бұрын

I love the dingy retro aesthetic of these old games. It is definitely cool seeing how these games that, probably in large part weren't meant to be played, are actually played. More pls. And don't restrict yourself to just these dingy ones too, I'm sure there is interest for historical acclaimed games that newer gamers (like myself) just don't know much about like Legend of the Five Rings.

@awilliams3554 5 ай бұрын

So good. More like this!

@DiaChen 5 ай бұрын

8:05 - Love the playstation demo disc music in the background!

@dansemacabre5123 5 ай бұрын

By the dice gods, that is one overly complicated game! One me and my brother loved playing was Combat Cards GW released in the 90s

@GhostCryProductions 4 ай бұрын

Find it strange that the room is very low light, but the guy holds a card up to the camera as though anyone can see anything.

@MSPaints 4 ай бұрын

Yeah that is strange. Good job literally every other shot of the cards (103 of them) is in focus and correctly exposed, or I’d feel just terrible.

@robbyjamesfrank 5 ай бұрын

I can't be the only one who gets excited for Tony's ad reads

@simonb7711 5 ай бұрын

Dude, that music around the 8 min mark. Giving me the big Pandemonium 2 vibes

@deathstinger13 5 ай бұрын

man, they really should have made that 'included rulebook' an EXTRA included rulebook. if you've got the money to print half-decent trading cards, you can print a rulebook per deck, plus have extras to give out(heck, maybe printed in a larger size or on better paper) for hobby shops stocking your product.

@IAmTheSquid 5 ай бұрын

would love more of these!

@compedsushi9030 5 ай бұрын

top tier, subbed commented and liked. keep it up!

@outriderjon 5 ай бұрын

Loved the video. I have a case of Hyborian Gates (and a ton of those stupid little pyramids). I hope you do a video on that one soon. It’s…..oof. It’s bad. But I love how bad it is.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Aye aye, i've found an ebay lot for it. Seems like a hoot!

@SyxxPunk 5 ай бұрын

"You draw five cards and they serve as your shields." Well that's not so bad, Digimon and One Piece do the same thi- "And that's it." Oh. Oh noooo.

@CeleTheRef 4 ай бұрын

Duel Masters did that too

@JamesOlverAR 5 ай бұрын

Not a magic clone, but the Babylon 5 CCG is well worth checking out if you are a fan Dave.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Oooooh expensive-ish! But on the list

@NecromancyForKids 5 ай бұрын

That ad may have been a bit long, but it was done fun at least

@dustpunkminiatures 5 ай бұрын

Love this content!

@Khandrake 5 ай бұрын

There's some modern games that use that shield card mechanic. Digimon has that but you usually get a free effect or kill with it for not having it in your deck

@Goober4473 5 ай бұрын

Love me some card games! I recommend looking into Blood Wars, which is absolutely incomprehensible and in no way works as written. Plus cool old Planescape art!

@genesis4322 4 ай бұрын

This just feels so needlessly complicated to where it hurts my brain trying to think why I would play with them.

@BlizzAz 5 ай бұрын

Wait, there was an Austen Powers CCG??? THAT, sounds like my bag baby!

@tomburden5935 5 ай бұрын

Oh behave!

@aaronbasham6554 5 ай бұрын

There wasn't a Austin Powers CCG. There were at least two.

@BlizzAz 5 ай бұрын

@@aaronbasham6554 Sounds like I'd need 2 hands then...

@scissorthief5119 5 ай бұрын

This was a great video and makes me want to try this game, though I know I'd just look at the cards and go back to playing commander

@johnhobkinson560 5 ай бұрын

Love this video. I’d say my understanding of the game is now “Darmok, his eyes closed”

@blaked7532 4 ай бұрын

I used to play a card game "Over the Edge" a bit in the 90s and from what i remember it was a then current day noir story with super natural stuff and aliens and eldritch horrors, but I remember the cattle prod being over powered.

@DangerAndy 5 ай бұрын

Holy shit. Ps1 demo disk music?! Happily painting away with this video on in the back ground then It triggered my ears like a sleeper agent.

@MSPaints 5 ай бұрын

Core memory unlocked.

@drakkenmensch 5 ай бұрын

Back in 1993 when Magic The Gathering started being sold in Montreal, there ws ONE store that stocked it (Le Valet D'Coeur) and they ran out of starter decks so quickly that they PHOTOCOPIED RULEBOOKS THEY HANDED FOR FREE so new players could start out with a handful of boosters and still be able to play.

@cabellism 5 ай бұрын

This reminds me of the old Chaotic TCG game, it was also pretty weird.

@NewSquallor 5 ай бұрын

I think I have 3 of these cards laying around. Well that explains why they were given away.

@jmpoupar 5 ай бұрын

There was a Monty Python and the Holy Grail CCG. One CCG was chock full of the art of Boris Vallejo and Julie Bell and had a rulebook beyond my comprehension at the time called Hyborean Gates. It had fold-out pyramids. I just found a 2013 CCG I'd never heard of called Shadow Era. Bought a box of starters for $7 or so but haven't opened it yet.

@johnbruce4004 5 ай бұрын

Well that was weird. Still presented in your inimitable style. All best.

@CeleTheRef 4 ай бұрын

I don't remember which one, but there was an early TCG whose first edition rulebook didn't care to tell you WHEN THE GAME ENDS.

@user-dy7wm6ol1g 5 ай бұрын

I am a big fan of dead card games and looking at their design, what they did right and wrong, id like to see more like this.

@wellwasp 5 ай бұрын

I have a few of the early magic cards that have abysmal consistency between them in printing (mostly from 1994 Revised with a little T for tap not sure if that is the same in alpha and beta as I haven't even seen any of them cards but it isn't in my early black border expansion cards from the early days) Would be fun to go through the various Sci Fi TV and Movie tie ins bit later but obviously Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, there was a Dune game based on the books too, I have piles of the old star trek cards knocking around a remember that being a fun game, building your ships crews and solving little problems.