Yeah, seriously though

good i think it's good it send a clear message that school is waste of time and a waste our childhood simple jobs that make u earn money at a young age probably would have been a better schooling than the actual school it self

What are you going to do about it bro? Aim higher but stuff the degree, certs etc. Get out of the rat race and start now. Go higher.

@@gemg5871feel this. what certificates do you reccomend getting that will actually direct me in a direction of getting hired

​@@YousefTubebelieve it or not I remember there was a time where you could actually call a play about a job that was listed in the paper and ask them questions about it so you could even decide for yourself if you even want it to work there before you went through all the trouble of sending a resume or anything and once you did send a resume or put in an application you could actually call them or stop in in person and ask them if they looked at your resume or application yet and you could try to set up an interview I mean it used to be so much more civilized and then once they started with people applying for jobs online it just got crazier and crazier and crazier . At first it wasn't so bad but once everything started to become more automated where they would use a program to scan and read the resumes is when it got really out of hand .

No experience before hand?

@@playboijay962 Nope! Just made my resume as professional and relevant as possible. I was in that interview lying my ASS off! Lol They did do a reference check, but I was already prepared for that. I had my aunt and mom (who are both seasoned professionals) give them the reference. That’s the company I worked for when Elon Musk was my boss.

Wait what! I need to do this now. I used to be construction for 8 years. You just gave me hope!

@@MamiTT237wait omg i have some questions if thats ok??

​@@MamiTT237so they called your mom and aunt?

Dude, a receptionist or admin assistant doesn't require a degree unless it's a very specialized field. They do, however, require ridiculous years of experience...and is in favor of a certain gender.

@@dwargonedragon794 You haven't been job searching lately it seems, good for you. Employers are obsessed with hiring degree holders, it's stigma.

@@dwargonedragon794i think you missed the point

@@dwargonedragon794yes they do? You sound ignorant and upset

@@kelliezee No, why would I be upset? I'm just stating facts. Are you autistic or something?

This is exactly right, it has nothing to do with what a person can do

So no one.

You’re still a liar.

You got fired, and were probably mediocre at best.

😂😂 I need to try this

🤯

@@shesty1697it only works for a youte folks

I dont k ow anyone I domtnhave any friends sept oprah but barely even her we don't hang out

Easier said than done. It absolute sucks how you have to be social and fake in some cases to get where you need to be. In my eyes, that is pathetic. But hey, I am the broke one here.

It’s not who you know. It’s who knows YoU!

⁠@@fencho4381agreed been 4 months outta college and the one connection I have isn’t even in the right industry

Facts it's who u know

How? what do I look up to get some game?

@@TaylorBlack420get certs

​@TaylorBlack420 you can be a sales man business person if you talk well and have charisma and go to rich places and network they can get you in the circle

Certifications!!!

@T.Harry79 This!

Right that was a real vague lil' chat

haha most likely

Yep. Strange for change.

Hater much?

Really ? I wonder how that stuff works

Lol

Yep you’re gd right

I have a bachelors. So I will put

Good for you??@@forcedriven9328

Jack the AI

it shouldnt have to be that way though.

How did you get started in that field?

That part 💪🏽

Do you really love it?

What did you exactly do? Did you go to a boot camp or something?

Preach!! Your story is amazing! What industry are you in? What kind of tech are you? I had a buddy in high school that was 1 out of 2 guys that didn’t go to college right after school. He ended up continuing doing large appliance repair. (He was already doing it in school.) Long story short he ended up owning his own appliance repair company and makes more than 95% of the people in my graduating class.

@@DegreeFree I am a lead controls tech. Best way I can describe it is that I am a programmer / electrician for automated industrial machinery.

But you need to be a boomer or gen x, those are the only people who get those opportunities.

@@Canadianvoice I'm a millennial?

@@bg4779 perviable "you"

That doesn’t make any sense. If they don’t care about the degree, why list that as a requirement in the job ad?

@@mecanuktutorials6476 usually its the higher ups who approve the requirements, but apply even if you don't have a degree but have a ton of experience. The recruiters are just looking for someone who can do the job well.

​@@mecanuktutorials6476- Probably to keep the applicants pool small enough to go through the resumes, and weed out the people who don't have one so they'll be discouraged to apply. Making only a handful of those without a degree take a chance at applying anyway. But some companies do actually care about a Degree and use that an indicator often seen as a sign of dedication and hard work.

its not that they dont care about the degree. its just that in your resume, education part is regarded, whether thats a diploma, cert, degree or etc. thats why in job boards sometimes you see them mentioning other things like certs and stuff .

@@mecanuktutorials6476 well the requirements section is just iffy. its there to acknowledge your education or they have a preference for it.

Bitter

Don’t hate the player, hate the game. That’s why all my bosses have been incompetent d bags, but I’m used to it

You definitely still commented though 😂

Life isn’t an anime, chill out

Yeah but you can't get lucky if you don't try

It’s crazy even mechanics I meet some dudes I was getting my car fix they don’t even have degrees or nothing they was just good with cars

Right. I don’t even care anymore.. they want to play games well then let me join the game and be savage too 😅

Yeah but how do you avoid getting caught during a background check?

@@uwotm8634The worst thing that can happen is rejection in the hiring process or firing after a few months. There is nothing they can do. You can lie about almost everything to get the dream job. The only references you can’t use are fabricated documents because it’s illegal. DO NOT FABRICATE COLLEGE DEGREES.

😅😅

Hey can you help ( i am electronic and communication engineer )

That’s awesome.

im a network enginerer as well for 37 yrs lies all lies, i ran the largest isp in the usas network for 14 yrs and only 20 yr olds with hr mommys blessing get employed

How did you enter navy for cyber...what was the procedure

@@Asian12354You take a test called the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery). The score on the ASVAB determines if you are eligible to to school for IT.

@@Asian12354 the rating is CTN just google navy CTN if you are wanting to enlist its highly challenging IT is a great second choice

They taught you cybersecurity in the navy?

Sounds great. I bet you are over 6ft

You're not alone in how you're feeling, Dan. Take heart and don't lose hope. You are so valuable and worthy of happiness. Try networking with friends/colleagues and see what's up. In this day and age, you have to know people that know people. Also, location is important!

I’m in a similar boat. Don’t give up man. Keep going.

You have the education but you most likely lack the social network. It doesn't hurt to make friends and party with people in college, or ask for you parents if they know someone. This reminded me if a buddyboyo who had 3 trade certs but can't find a job on those bec he doesn't know anyone from those fields. Ended up a sewer boy since he knew someone there, it pays well but is hard, heavy, dangerous, dirty, disgusting.

I have been feeling exactly the same. Keep going. Eventually one day you will see all your hard work pay off.. Rome wasn’t built in a day

Don't fkn give up, you re gonna make it and look back on this feeling and glad you stuck it out. Just keep networking and knocking on doors. It'll happen I promise

Lol I laughed

Sounded an oddly cool word than saying i dont have a degree though because it doesn't talk about what you don't have, but it reminds me of what you're free of which is usually an education loan that you'll have to pay off after the degree. & While you're also job free you can still get the job,have the time to learn to do a business etc (given that You're not being pressured about getting the job & have family for initial support).

14 months searching, with 7 years of experience as a software engineer. 2000 applications, maybe 20-25 call backs, three interviews, no offers. This field is WAY oversaturated. I swear you could cut the number of engineers in half and it would still be difficult to find a job. I should have gone blue collar

Awesome!!! That's amazing! What were you doing before that?

Did you have experience? I’m finding it hard to get my foot in the door

​@@itzlexxii I was about to finish high school. I had gotten the Google IT Certification and taken a bunch of CS classes from a local community college. They occasionally posted jobs on their job board, I didn't even apply to a bunch of jobs, 3 max. It was a pleasant surprise when I got in. Right now I am in college, and I work in the Summer and Winter.

​@tarmus6908 How much are you making at Intertek?

@@isaiahj3968 Part time 27 an hour.

Yup! Definitely!

a technician is a low level low skill waste of skin, techs do nothing but break stuff us engineers have to fix.

Wtf where????

Hack reactor? what is that?

@@waltershumer4211 do you have google

Whats your position?

Damn im trying to find something but its nothing but low pay and long ass commutes. Should I just get a loan and go back to school? Nothing seems to be working

😂😂😂 grow up

Sounds good man. Any advice for landing that first job that isn’t a scammy minimum wage job?

@@rebinu I took office temp jobs in community college. Quiet offices, tea and snacks whenever you wanted, I was in heaven and tried very hard to keep my job. The company ended up offering me full time employment, no more temp agency, and I never bothered to finish school

Nope. Not inaccurate. You get out what you put in. It's not easy, but it's definitely possible. Also, college does not equal education. You can be plenty educated without ever stepping foot on a college campus.

@DegreeFree My comment was focused on the majority population, not a minority. I looked it up about 25% have IT jobs without a degree.

I got the degree lol didn’t want to be stuck in warehouse jobs or dead end jobs for the rest of my life.

@@DegreeFree it is true that even companies like Google and Apple are dropping degree reqs. However, it depends on the job. If you don’t mind me asking, what is the job? If it’s web dev (especially frontend/marketing) then it makes sense however, working in something like Embedded, OS, Infrastructure, or any AI/ML, those are much less likely to hire without requisite coursework. You still learn on the job, but you need the right background to be able to.

@@mecanuktutorials6476All developers get paid to learn on the job. That’s basically what you’re doing. That said, you can’t get dev job not knowing anything and learn on the job. You need to already be able to write programs and be able to solve data structures & algorithms problems.

I am inspired by this comment... Please help me with this, that I don't have any technical degree or computer science degree because I don't do my qualifications in those courses. I've done BA ( Bachelor Of Arts in English Honours ) in 2020. Now I don't make a proper decision what to do next for get a chance to tech jobs like ( software engineer, data scientist, network engineer and more..) so I have decided to get admission in BCA course for a 3 years degree. Is it worthy for me or not? Please help me!

@@helechoale1979 im not too familiar with BCA. If you live in america and want a degree i would recommend whats called alternative learning collage they work similarly to vocational school in places like Germany. There are many schools and courses to choose from. And there degrees are recognized by all employers. What these schools do is teach you what you NEED to know to be prepared for the job. Where as traditional colleges try to pour as much information into you as possible so you fail and have to stay for another year and pay them more money. Depending on your knowledge that you already have and what course you take, you could probably get a bachelors degree in eight months, but it can take as much as five years although that's pretty rare and only in very specific courses like level two or three engineering most courses will take two years with minimal knowledge. Hope it helps.

@@helechoale1979 are you planning on moving to america i only have knowledge about U.S system Canadian system and some of the german system. other than that im not much of help when in comes to india 😅

Some specific jobs are very stubborn and don’t care unless if you have a degree(s)

career advisors type whatever you claim

Damn I needed to read that. I just finished an interview today for a position that makes $60k remote working three days on three days off. Rotating Wednesday’s. I have no degree or certification. Over the last two years I busted my ass grinding and learning. I believe the interview went well. Didn’t ask me if I had a degree or cert. rapid fired questions instead. I felt the imposter syndrome but also surprised myself. I’m hoping I can get an offer

That’s just pretentious, you need a degree because you will never get QOL workplace, and you can never be a jumper. I doubt you will ever know that hypocritical woman

⁠@@waylonbraswell8445so you got the job with no certs, no degree, no nothing? doubt it

Sorry, bud that's a skill issue. People who have a degree take jobs for granted. I have no degree or rather I could not finish it for financial reasons. No longer in a position to continue studying without earning money. What degree does is certifies you of something to be capable of doing, But is that the only way? No. You make projects solve problems in the industry contribute to open source. And whats possible now which wasn't before are "certifications" not "certificates" there is a difference you are gonna have to google if you dont know. I'm going to Data Science Im going to go for AWS Database/Machine Learning/Data Analytics And IBM Data Science Professional Certifications and Google Data Engineer/Machine Learning certifications and Azure Certifications and so many more that more than qualifies you for 2+ years. What are they gonna say "even though you have experience working on projects and solving problems and these exams that you cleared certifies you from different cloud systems which generally recommended for professionals with atleast 2-3 years of experience working with their respective systems, we are gonna have to pass up on you "just" because you dont have a degree"? When people as incompetent as you are sitting around with degrees does it really matter? What you said about it not being a norm is absolutely correct! But why would you want to be a NORM? I swear degree holders are legit people with pacifers in their mouth, legit scared of doing anything out of the ordinary.

From the beginning of IT up until 5 years ago mahbe it was the norm to get into IT without a degree but this days it’s different. If you’re new and don’t have a degree it will be hard finding a job and once you do your salary will be like $29k-$32k

​@@Me-eb3wvso basically I'm fucked

Get certificates online. Is as good as degrees & u learn more that way tbh

my bro got hire 120k compiata+ with a requirement to get AWS certification in 2 weeks. all he did was shardow an employee doing aws for 4 weeks from previous job. he just got his first pay check.@@Me-eb3wv

Can you give me advice?

Im going crazy looking for a job but have no college degrees myself im reading comments looking for any insight that can be useful to me then i saw this comment an wondered to myself what principal i lack

@@fastfowardbutton1965 I just made up that shit. Everyone wants to sound good online so I played along. 😄 🤣 😂 😆 Just work hard and ask God for favor and blessing. Life life with whatever hand your dealt and be happy with what you get. Life's short and over before you know it. And as you get the hang of things and taste some success, you'll be middle aged in no time and closer to retirement than you think. 😉

@@timothy72688 honestly speaking, work with the hand your dealt, trust God, ask for His favor, do good to people, and keep seeking His direction. Be happy with the life opportunities that you've been given. Not everyone can be a millionaire or super wealthy. Be content within every situation that unfolds in your live. The Apostle Paul said that in the New Testament. Philippians 4:12-13 New King James Version (NKJV)I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

They must be doing something wrong

20 bucks an hour aint shit.

​@@user-sp2yu9zt6hIt is when you're self made, can afford to survive, and are working in a competitive field without the across the board commonly requested prerequisites and add the fact that you are competing with geniuses with degrees. I full agree with your statement, that you can make a whole lot more in that field, but that is inspirational and I choose to congratulate rather than simply respond with negative sentiment. Respect to all the self-made people, no matter how high they have risen at this point. Every story is an inspiration to those of us who rebuke the traditional debt slavery intellectual theft and brainwashing system that is the liberal arts system in most countries. ❤

Coding certs aren’t real certs. It’s all based on your portfolio. They have to typically show work they’ve done. Maybe she did that and you don’t mention it but certs are a scam in that field.

If you go to college and you get an degree that is what jobs are looking for most people the go to college end up getting the 200K jobs while people who were self taught doesn’t get paid well

Tell your cousin to go to school online. WGU.

Awesome! What do you do now? And what were some of the other jobs you had?

Especialy in the USA in some fields if a person has no degree and has experience/portfolio, they can work for less because they dont have to account in for the student loan.

I had no idea what a red seal was. Can you get that in a bunch of different things?

@@DegreeFree Any Trade profession in Canada. From Electrician to Fridge Tech.

Exactly she easily could be working for some company that really isn’t going to check on her qualifications even if this did work in IT which it doesn’t you also gotta consider people hire people they want around them and enjoy seeing

Yes, because I'm curious about how frequently Black people experience this.

Box checker.

Ikr 😂😂

No shes saying in the offer letter she got thats what it said they wanted. She was not that but was still offered the job.

@@matthill2957 I said "the job requirements were on the offer letter" and you said "no, on the offer letter were the job requirements "

@@lukes9192 LOL

Yep, you know she's a diversity hire but she'll never admit that.

Who said you have to have a degree? Just get lots of experience. That's all you need.

I did in 2022, but we dont have communists in our company, we are in eastern europe and we dont do diversity hiring except if government pays heavily, which it doesnt in 99% of the time. We also divided our company into multiple companies to avoid the law for founding unions. 😂 If you want something, you are not a pussycat but you literally walk into the CEO's Office. Which you almost never have to do because managers také good care for the most of the agenda and you literaly talk with the CEO during launch breaks both about things related and not related to the Job. However american companies in here do have diversity hire programs and oh boy, it shows...

Tech has always been this way, it isn’t new

Whether it's new or not it's irrelevant to whether it's fair or not

Get use to it. Google, Wal Mart and alot of the big companies announce by the end of 2024 their removing degree requirements off their application all together smh.

@@shawnmercado2219 But if they have the skills and work experience why shouldn't they get hired? The companies started asking for university degrees for jobs that really don't require them. Most jobs don't require a bachelors degree to do the job based on the skill set.

@@melissagreye8445 It's a complex question, but one of the main arguments for having a higher barrier to entry in the form of degree or certificate requirements, is that, while not perfect, at least they are objective standards. In general, companies don't have a good way to gauge how well a person will perform on the job. Interviews are pretty famously bad at this, no matter how long and arduous you make the process. As such, employers will tend to operate based mostly on feeling and impression. The whole process becomes more about things like: - ability to network - ability to *sell yourself* - general likeability and personality In other words, they're basing hiring decisions mostly on things that don't have much to do with how well the candidate will perform on the job. In the worst case, this opens up the market to "crackers" (e.g., "how to crack the coding interview", not the racial epithet) and straight up fraudsters. Even in the best case, basing hiring decisions on factors like networking is, by definition, cronyism. But the thing is it's necessary in a system without objective standards because there are so few ways to add any confidence or verification to a candidate's claimed acumen other than referral.

@@LonerDestroyedWoman I applied to the job.

C'mon, tell the truth. Bet you knew someone that worked there and they referred you. Easy in. There's zero chance you applied along with thousands of other people and got picked over someone with a degree and work experience.

@@UrAJok3r You think thousands of people apply to every job? Interesting...

@@Knight3434 yeah they do lmao. It legit says on LinkedIn how many people apply. You're silly AF lololol!!

@@UrAJok3r you think LinkedIn is the only place to apply for jobs? Interesting…

How you managed to get a job in labs without a degree? Genuinely curious

Hard to start somewhere though, once you’re in it is probably way easier…

Just think about which of the above jobs you will like to be doing daily. And also what's the name of the college? And can one get their free certification in a tech course online?

Where and how

@@Ehsan2003 he/she probably knows someone who gave them the job. Those jobs have requirements.

That’s awesome!! Congrats!! Did you take a course or just built up experience and applied?

@@mrs.elizabethdarcyladyofpe1288 no bitch no body knew me in the market., I have to apply different strategies every day to get noticed by recruiter. Loser

@@DegreeFree I used to post about my projects and knowledge on LinkedIn

If software developer jobs will become under too heavy pressure from AI and influx of cheap labor this is what i will do. In fact i did this when the demand for developers was hilariously high

Nope

Sounds like cope

@@antwononacob5796 no cope it’s the truth. They just caught a talent acquisition person being xenophobic on the train in New Jersey screaming at tourists to go home. It’s no cope we consume more products than Asians in this country and are a larger consumer base.

@@greenerdays999 Yes it’s true. Walk any tech conference and it’s overwhelmingly Asian and White. However the consumer base is much wider than those two groups Hispanics and Blacks make up almost 30% of the population. If you extrapolate from that population it should be much bigger.

@@J4RMAMS It’s not asians nor whites fault that other racial minorities such as Hispanics and blacks tend to have a lower savings rate on average. The gap is typically a skill issue, and a guy yelling on the subway doesn’t prove that whites and Asians are hired more purely by merit of their heritage.

fr some people be looking like orcs in the IT arena

@@derickduy2101hahaha 😂

You being black and saying this is insane

Maybe you’re just not qualified

😂

It is if that degree cost you 4 years, 100k in debt and being offering 40k per year on all job interviews which is what's going on now. I would call that a fatal disease. All the majors companies are literally removing degrees off their applications now after they told everyone you need one for decades smh.

😂😂😂

You make good points. However I do think there are a lot of people out there who take loans for overpriced universities, and then don't do internships/part time jobs etc to get experience in undergrad. Then they seem to struggle afterward. One thing I really appreciated my Uni (no-frills state school) did was to work hard to get people opportunities for internships, work study, part time positions, etc.

It only takes one yes if you're not networking as a professional then it's on you

Nope! No connections. Cold applying. Just like you or anyone else would do. It's absolutely possible to do without connections. That said, it would've been much easier with connections! I wish I had started networking years ago. And by your comment you recognize the power of networking, as well. So, you should be too! Good luck!

Yup! 💯 I didn't have connections to get this job. But, I wish I did! It would've made it much easier!

@@DegreeFree great work. unfortunately people can't understand how hard someone worked so they dismiss it. It took me 500 applications to get my yes. To the outside person looking in, they would try to minimize my hard work saying I had connections or got lucky. Maybe there is little bit of luck but when you work hard, good luck tends to find you better. I work my butt off for it and never gave up. I wish I had connections during that process as well and wish I knew how to leverage LinkedIn the way I do now. What the op of this post doesn't understand, even with connections, you still have to stick the landing. You still have to pass the technical interview and perform the technical work day to day. It's called work for a reason. It's not called play. Sorry for the tangent but comments like from G Wo - the original commentator are really ignorant.

@@DegreeFree so you got a job which requires you to have a degree?? That’s amazing and here I am struggling to get a job even though I have skills but no degree

Exactly.

Women aren’t giving special treatment in the work force. If anything, it’s the other way around. Go sit down somewhere

Males are so delusional and liars. Men have more privileges in tech stfu

​@@iammar1159 maybe not in the work force but in the bed force lol

I would think it’s the opposite. Men usually get hired for IT jobs

It’s actually the opposite

It’s literally the opposite. But here you go acting like women get special treatment when they don’t.

@@veroka7851 not my fault women aren't technologically inclined like men, but it does help to put female on an app.

I know you’re hurt you can’t get far in life and no woman wants you, do go blanking women look in the mirror. It’s crazy to see a a grown man cry over women 😂😂. What a sad life

Thanks! It’s Hannah and it’s the Degree Free Podcast. We have a weekly show that you can watch on our channel or anywhere you get your podcasts! Our whole goal is to teach you how to get the work you want without a college degree and getting into debt!

Depends heavily on the carreer field. Always listen to the market and tune your skills accordingly

Doesn't seem to work in all cases.

And😅 guys with certs I still won’t pull over 40-50 K

Maybe you should try working with a CV optimizer team

Why not start your own company?

No one wants to hire millitary anymore. Sorry to break it to you, but ive been in the hiring process, and we see millitary as a flight risk these days.

Create your services or get involved in government contracts

Apply to defense contractors, you get special treatment for being ex military.

yes! the more dark chocolate you are the more ice cream bars they could be on sale 😂

That's hilarious 😂

Funny but absolutely true

👀

But this lady is way more better than that bigot.

This is simply false. Tech being full of white straight men literally proves you wrong. Possessing skills for the job matters more than what you mentioned.

@@themonsterwithin4000 no you’re wrong. Just because it is filled with something doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Being a minority or gay or whatever protected class gives companies “DIVERSITY POINTS”. Yes know your shit, but many tech companies are overly progressive and will take a woman over a man if it means ESG points.

@@IffyEdemou are absolutely wrong I’ve been in IT since the late 90’s use to only be the only black Woman and I had a REAL computer science & mathematics degree WE ARE NOT PROTECTED you sound like some entitled dude. Half the time in tech there are no ppl of color and damn sure not women only recently I have seen an uptake of ppl of color because they have been ostracized for yeeeeaaaars. Mostly still the Good Ol boy network stop lying.

​@@IffyEdemexactly. Crazy how so many people would rather continue to virtue signal and remain in their bubbles than to pay attention to what's going on presently.

Males have more privileges in tech. Stop lying. A male can get hired without degree experience and due to networking but u won't ask him what he did but if it's a woman with experience and clearly more worthy than males they u all think she got the job because she is a woman. Have seen so many males saying how easily they got a job without degree experience etc and only by connections yet they aren't judged.