650 Grams without a top strap is a crime in terms of fit and comfort! And that cheap "advanced" version of the Quest 3's underwear Velcro string with the cross-head stabilization is an abomination in terms of physics and weight distribution.

I'm tempted just for watching films

​​@@mitcherny6965Yes, one would assume an ar-glasses form factor would be a better fit to the concept of spatial computing than big vr-glasses.

I am waiting for the Apple Vision Pro plus Pro edition.

@@mitcherny6965the supplementary strap will become known as the jockstrap. At least that’s the name it deserves!

Given apple’s reputation for slow updates to their products I fear the gen 2 and 3 will only be small changes on the hardware end

@@Millicente Next version will not be un upgrade, but it will be cheaper. Vision without the pro.

Apple’s specs say the display supports 92 percent of the DCI-P3 color gamut, which means the Vision Pro can only show you 49 percent of the colors your eyes can actually see. As a graphic designer, you don't see that as an issue?

did the FOV bother you at all?

Is that you Tim Cook?

this kind of device will open up how websites are designed.. to display and be interacted with in stereographic mode with buttons and triggers that are in 3d.. with stereographic objects displayed that could even be picked up and examined (ala Amazon for example?)

Thanks man I truly appreciate it! I am glad I flew to the US to be able to bring you this video!

The use case is completely replace your ipad. Since it doesn't have sim slot, it is not a phone replacement

@@toututu2993 this really is the part I struggle with though. I mean, what part of a tablet usecase is going to be enhanced through VR/MR? I love VR for fitness and immersive gaming, but the activities I use a tablet for, PDF browsing, KZfaq, checking my finances, browsing apps etc, I just have no desire to do any of that in VR/MR, I'm not sure how tablet use cases are improved? It feels like cool tech without a real use case right now. Maybe I just lack imagination, as up to now I've only seen VR's potential in terms of games, fitness, flight simming and watching movies. I just don't see why I would want to do work inside the headset...

what will be very useful is the added security of working in VR in public spaces.. your screens will not be viewable by random people looking over your shoulder or by security cameras you can see or not see that are recording you (among other things)

Enjoy the Q3 for now & save $3000. Apple's next AVP 2.0 or Lite in a couple of yrs will have improvements & we can decide then to see if its VR capability has caught up. That way we're not _stuck_ with an expensive mistake.

Yeah, I'm waiting for the Immersed Visor if i really want a VR headset to do work in.

@@VerneRock what in the world are you saying

@@BoltRMyep. In 2 years this thing will be waaaay better

Agreed!

one is a massive brick from a startup that aint standalone and doesnt work yet. the other is a working product by one of the biggest and most reliable companies in the world.

Varjo aren't a startup, Apple used the XR3 to develop the AVP.

The XR4 I tried was unfinished so I don't really want to compare the pass through yet. What I saw with the AVP was better at this point in time. Much better. Other than that it's hard to compare since this is a Standalone headset and the XR4 is not!

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Thank you so much I truly appreciate it!

Not with that fov tho

You are gonna get it. Promised.

@@brucerain2106 I own it. FOV is same as quest 3 with the 21W face interface, although the vertical is slightly smaller. It just gets smaller if you have the thicker facial interfaces.

Thanks man! Yes it truly is!

Thanks man, I really appreciate it! I totally agree that this is big for the industry!

People aren't giving an exact FOV because the different face interfaces increase and decrease your distance from the lenses - which affects the FOV. With my interface and everything. -it feels about the same as the quest 3 - but with a slightly smaller vertical FOV. Others compare it to slightly less than a Quest 2 with the thicker facial interfaces. It sort of depends. I'm sure someone will make a good breakdown of this at some point.

Yes, right! I am also glad to bring you this video!

Funny thing is, the reaction of absolute awe is same for both

Not yet but I will!

The environments are really great! They’re nearly photorealistic and also have spatial sound effects like wind, birds, and frogs. FaceTime participants’ voices reverberate differently when you go into the Environments, e.g. deadened in the woods or echoing off rocks. You can view any windowed app inside of them but iTunes/AppleTV content gets a special viewing mode where the movie expands, floats way out beyond your reach and locks into place, and shines color photorealistically on the water, snow, clouds, or rocks. It’s the best movie watching experience available IMO. I would say the illusion is only broken a bit by lens glare (which shows up when viewing bright content in a dark environment) and the somewhat narrow field of view. Otherwise they are quite transportive and conducive to focus.

Can you please tell do you see actual pixel net in there? Like in Reverb G2( or quest 3) also, when you eatxhing movies, soes it realy fell like oled tv? I mean resolution and clerith wise? Corse on G2 it looks very bad. Like watching 1080 on 4k screen

Your missing the point, it's a quest 3 with better screens and cameras. This thing and what it is doing has been around for years just nobody walks round like it's the change of the world. Spacial computing has been a thing since vr started the only difference here is apple runs iOS which is there op system where as quest is there own but android. The fact oculus is why apple is even here to this day making this thing. The point is oculus can drop the quality I stantly if they wanted too but they have never ever done that, they have always dropped back a little to bring the tech and what it can do to the masses. Hence everything bar probably 5 or 10 because it's not iOS or can do just on a lower quality. Films big screen no problem, films in 3d no problem 200 inch cinema screen no problem. Multi any source spacial computing no problem and is probably better can do anything with that. Most of this is just the apple fan boy and marketing to hide the special word apple uses to fool everyone. Yes it's better quality because it has better quality screens and lenses and cameras. This thing is running on a low fov back from 2012 when oculus was starting up. The problem is we are all used to 105 to 180fov. It easy to get clarity with low fov these days. I would be impressed if they can do the same when they are hitting the pretty much standard goal in this day and age of 150 fov. Now if the quest 3 was with the better cameras and the better screen ect . And was them put against the avp you will see how much this is nothing as a device to what's already out there and what it's doing. The only difference it's now the apple cult trying to make the voice where we in vr have been laughing at this moment for years. Your all wetting yourself at it. To me they have a defo got better clarity which is and has been part of the incremental upgrades the other companies are in to make money. They ain't dropping the latest they are a few steps behind what they really have they could drop. Apple.is not on this increment and is probably why it's been delayed so many time trying to jump in with that latest screen because the other increment. Oculus is about keeping prices low building a platform to grow with it's massive on the scheme of things it's not even focused solely on spacial computing either because they don't have a computer system to link too. But they do d everything qvp does pretty much. The chasw for vr has always been clarity, fov, this gets sooo much harder the bigger you go with fov. You cannot compare a 95fov to something that holding amazing clarity like a vajero or pimax crystal at 150 fov areas. The quest is more of a middle ground to make things affordable. Is the apple better yes in clarity that's it stick this on any headset they will be on 110 plus fov and will match the calirty but the headsets would be 1500 and for oculus they would not want that unless it's a tester unit for developers like the pro was. This thing apple has made is a full copy of the quest and what it had been doing for year and vr, it's nowt special like your all going on about it's better quality parts used to which the rest can do but they can't because they don't have apple cult getting brain washed all the time by silly words to hide facts it's a quest 3 or should I say quest 4. Most know dam well if the quest had better cameras and screens they would have nowt to talk about with the vision pro 🤣 It's locked down junk but could have been a high end vr device for playing games as well with a real computer. All this is to most is a iOS device so you can do thing the rest of the world been doing for year just don't go round like idiots trying make out they didn't get ripped and someone else has never done it all before. It's just funny.

LOL it's not a Quest 3! Leave the emotions aside@@productreviewsmarketing267

I didn't see pixels. It was looking at my OLED 65 up close. I advise people to just book an appointment and see for themselves@@Airbender131090

I mean, I don't know who would say that the Quest3 compares. But price has to be taken into account. This is best that money can get, so comparing the two products is a bit of a moot point. Obviously the tech still need to get better (in the case of the Quest3, a lot better than it is, and in the case of the VIsionPro, it really needs to get smaller and way lighter/comfortable than it is), and the price needs to go down... like ipadPro/macbookAir prices down imo

It does.

Changed my German to US one.

I own the Hololens 2. It is, honestly speaking, completely crap compare to AVP. Bad FOV, bad picture quality...totally bad and no comparison.

The HoloLens 2 is 5 years old. In the AR/VR industry is like 500 years :D

Bigger than Quest 3? You know if you mod Quest 3 without facial gaskets you can get 20 degree FOV extra right ? Bigger than Quest 3, yeah good luck with that.

The Vision Pro light seals are much deeper than necessary (not sure why). My eyes are much closer to the lenses in my Quest 3. It functions perfectly without the lightseal and brining my eyes closer. Reducing the light seal on the Vision Pro would bring the Vision Pro fov around the same if not a little more than the oem Quest. It's a significant difference.@@user-yy8ln9rg4s

Thats a great idea! Thanks for that!

In my opinion a keyboard is a must right now!

Edge to edge clarity is very good. You can get same fov levels like Q3 by getting closer to lenses. You got to change the cushion for that.

Well here you can do that.

Ah yeah! But I still would not wanna drop this as compared to Quest 3 for example!

Oh yeah! And even more interesting stuff to come!

Have you tried taking photos or videos from the vision pro?

I won't return mine. Even if I was not a KZfaqr!

For VR gaming, I would not recommend this but a PCVR headset or Quest. This does not have official SteamVR compatibility.

I tried a version that seemed unfinished. They said in March/April things will look better! I will retry then!

Haha and how did you like this one?

Yeh if it is Disney then it won't record due to copyright. The problem of signing up to such services.

Birth look actually amazing but AVP takes the cake here! Colors are just better!!

Yes, it's really bright.

Wow! How do you think they do that with pancakes? Are they pancakes?! @@mixedrealityTV

This is like a computer with an m2 chipset and virtual screens. What can you do with a computer? Computer stuff!

I agree with the comment below it’s like having an iPad with a visual interface

Above I should say. And typing this on my AVP.

@@mixedrealityTV I mean it’s way easier to use a laptop or a phone. I’m excited to see what they will bring, (steamvr support hopefully) but at the moment it’s nothing more than a gimmick imo. Quest is oriented towards kids that play games and isn’t really trying to be more, which is understandable.

You have no idea how much clarity and precision, Vision Pro has....

Perhaps from some third party, yes!

Yeah!

I did!

@@mixedrealityTV I got 61 days to decide

You can still improve FOV by getting closer to the lenses. Modding the light seal etc.

@@mixedrealityTV totally, looking forward to any analysis you do there!

Thank you!

Like I mentioned, pass through is really good in good lighting conditions. In the hotel room I could see noise. But the non perceivable latency is what's truly incredible.

The passthrough is very good - possibly the best ever- but far from natural eyesight. There’s slight fuzziness in bright environments, but almost zero of the distortion or warping you see on Quest. There is noticeable noise in dark environments and it will lose tracking if it’s completely dark. Its exposure is actually fairly muted and dim compared to Quest 3, but the benefit is that it’s balanced and does not overexpose. I looked out the window at noon on a sunny day and the blue sky is perfectly exposed. Even looking toward the sun, the clouds and sky around the sun are still properly exposed. And quickly glancing back indoors, it only take about half a second to adjust. I’d say the display is perfect, but the passthrough cameras could still be improved next generation. Digital mixed reality content is perfectly sharp; it’s just the real world environment that looks lower quality by comparison. I’d like an adjustment Setting or a software update to make indoor passthrough appear brighter and more punchy (also, make sure to turn off auto-dimming on Photos and movies).

Brad Lynch said the passthrough is not as good as the XR-4 passthrough. I don't know who is right about that.

I can just talk about the XR4 version that I saw and it was clearly worse than that of the AVP. As in Crystal clear with out discussion, XR4 looked like Quest 3 kind a way. Probably Brad saw a different headsets than me. I got the Focal Edition demo of the XR4 at CES.

It has if you optimize distance to lenses. Video coming up.

@@mixedrealityTV that's nice but still at that price it should have a higher fov

@@rickaron7593 For higher FOV you need to make it wider as your eyes would have to see the screen in front & there is a limit on what the lenses can do to a screen in front. So unless you go with a Pimax approach & have a ridiculous block in front of your face then the FOV isn't going to be there. After all Apple are marketing this as a AR headset really, it is VR but the passthrough is what they are pushing & want the environment to be seen via the cameras. The next step would be to have clear view & then the FOV won't matter because what you see in front will just be via your eyes & the FOV via the overlay screens will just blend in to what you already see.

This is my first impressions video from a hotel room. I do believe I made that clear enough. My first impressions are exactly as I laid them out in this video. But I can tell you already that this is not just some gadget but truly a powerful M2 powered computer that I can use to edit my videos with Davinci Resolve etc. I have now worn the device for hours and the comfort is surprisingly good. The beautiful thing about this channel is that I truly give you my opinion here. And that opinion is not informed by what other reviewers say or do. So yeah, so far loving it!

vrdesktop is working on a version

@@fsiefkenthat’s gonna be insane then

High end VR games no. High end flat games yes.

@@sonicsnake44 why not vr games?

@@christianvoss8614no controller for input….

Main point of AVP is to protect your face if you fall. That's why the price is so high. Face safety gadget.

@@johnnuaxon3 Thanks for that info, but for me I just do sit down SIM racing games, so this kind of feature is worthless to me and to cost 3500 dollars just for that.

Congratulations on not being the target customer. That's really great for you to share. Fact is - for some $3500 isn't as big of a deal as others. I've had all the other headsets - and the VP blows them out of the water because VR gaming isn't what I care about.

The Apple Vision Pro is a stand-alone device. It doesn't need another computer, because it is one.

Another broke resentful person.

It's a computer with M2 chip that has virtual screens you can put anywhere in your room. You are buying from a company they does not want to sell your data to show you ads. You are getting fantastic hardware. It's actually not do hard to justify the price!

Meta is embracing it! But have they reached the mainstream? Not at all! So stick to meta for gaming and let Apple conquer the rest!

Oh, the devs that get creative and make fully immersive vr games for the vision pro… e.g. wizarding magic using your hands, or boxing, climbing, use of a bow and arrow, swimming under water and using a spear gun, All whilst you are looking at your actual hands and arms not a representation of them, with ar elements superimposed over your arms, like a wrist band that feeds you into like you ding in Lone Echo. If I was developer, I know I would kill it. I have so many ideas how it could work without controllers, I just don’t have the means…

It's great

I do want to try this kind of mod! Indeed!

I think vast majority of people will still want a phone until we get it to glasses equivalent form. Which may be at least a couple of decades away.

I love it that you comment so much! Keep on doing it!

Thanks man!

It's ok. But not perfect like Pico 4. Better then Quest 3 though.

@@mixedrealityTV well that’s really good to me. Quest 3 is acceptable for me so anything better than that I’d say is good.

Visor isn't real, just mod the AVP for comfort like Bradley-then weight is not a big deal.

@@robertpetrie2536 Lol I see some people say that - it's definitely real. It's just not released yet. Mid 2024 release for the founders edition is the target. Relative to other typical VR headsets for sure, AVP could probably be modded to reach similar comfort. But for me, that size and weight in general is pretty much a non starter moving forward. I'm sure a lot of people would have a lot of fun with it though. Depending on your tolerance. I bet Seb loves it.

@@zackmac5917Visor is just too good to be true. Same panel as Apple Vision Pro, standalone with newest XR2 chip, significantly light weight , I’ll only believe it if I see it. Otherwise that’s just Decagear bullshit all over again.

@@user-yy8ln9rg4s its actually an even better panel than AVP 🤣 Agree initially it could be hard to believe, but all you have to do is look at the who the company is, and who their partners are. Its legit, little to no reason to believe they don't have the functioning product. Incomparable to decagear. I think the real difference that is worth bringing up is that the UX ikely won't be as slick as AVP. AVP *might* feel better to use in terms of the UI, and it won't have all the bells and whistles, all the extra cool stuff that AVP has, but that's what you pay $3500 for. I think people are about to be blown away by the Visor. No one is expecting this level of quality in this form factor to be possible, and for that price, but its happening (as long as there are no unforseen issues).

Nice! I will try to get my hands on those!

Yes. The Hololens 2 is a joke compared to this. Bad FOV, bad visual quality,... Not even comparable.

From my understanding there is a lot of hardware in the AVP to make that possible. Don't think the Quest 3 can achieve the same.

@@Pyriold Yes of course, AVP has eye tracked cursor control. Quest 3 does not have eye tracking. I'm just saying that Meta needs to continue to improve hand tracking based on their current hardware implementation. The hand tracking control implemented in the KZfaq VR app is WAY ahead of the hand tracking implemented in Meta's own browser app. MUCH better. Meta needs to adopt the enhancements the KZfaq team has implemented in that app. Its steller.

I have watched 3d content on the device. It's fantastic. Truly incredible!

Haha, really? Damn!

I am not swayed by marketing. This is my first impression.

They are simply mit excited about AR. And Google etc will follow.

That's alright. It's not for ever.but everyone in this industry will profit from this. Alzo customers!

I’ve been using VR headsets since 2014 and it blows my mind. I’ve been taking spatial videos since December. I dialed in the Haleakala Environment and viewed my photo library and it was literally Iike heaven 😂 My life’s memories were floating in the air 80 feet wide, playing in 3D and immersive Spatial Audio, as I stood on a mountaintop above the clouds. Yes, other headsets might enable to you to “look at photos in VR”. But when you add the increased screen resolution, Spatial Audio fidelity, photorealistic natural environments, and Apple ecosystem benefits, you get a wholly different experience.

Nice! Yes it's about how close to get to the lenses!

Oh that's interesting! Yeah that could be like that indeed!

It does not want to be a VR headset, but Apple's first Spatial computer!

@@mixedrealityTV yeah, we get it. It's still a VR headset.