F:4 Son, I don't have a missing son I'm a comicbook hero weeding out the villain's infesting downtown Boston.

every open world game ever

Thou shalt be overencumbered within five minutes of leaving your stash.

Without a doubt the best quote of season 1 😂

I’m really invested in what happened to him so I’m gonna be mad if he’s dropped in season 2

I really agree. At first I thought meh the little brother... And then I was really into his investigation and wanted to know what they were hiding. And it also cleverly connected to the Lucy part of the story.

It reminds me of "WTF is..." from TB.... I think I'm gonna binge the terraria series again

When I see each of them, I keep seeing like characteristics perks and stats popping in my mind. Norm is like Small Frame, hacking, intelligent and speech like he’s sister. Maximus intelligence is below avg, but not too low. Or maybe it is with he’s little dialogue. High charisma or luck? That people supports him despite what he’s done. Definitely “More critical”. He don’t fight that well but when he does get into it. Huge damage occurs. Killed the bear in just two shots. Took out first few of the raiders trying to get the armour after he woke up and got serious. The scientist definitely had high luck with the turret.

@@auric180 Lucy must have Repair, Unarmed, and Daddy's Girl. The Ghoul 100% has Bloody Mess and probably Chem Resistant.

The part with Lucy and Maximus debating what to do with the fusion core; literally me loading a save to take the Karma positive path instead.

@@auric180 Marcus? You mean Maximus?

@@E2O10 Good Perception ;)

Typical Todd and Bethesda, patching things that should have been in there in the first place.

​@@TheDarkkilla12never has there been a truer burn 🔥🔥🔥

​@@TheDarkkilla12it was in the show people just can't read a timeline properly.

@@YOGI-kb9tg On one hand, yeah an arrow on a timeline means "later." On the other, why not put a date under the bomb? Some have said it is to "deliberately keep it vague," but I've yet to hear a good reason to do so.

Also it was an idea the showrunner suggested to Todd before anyone comes in here screaming about Todd having some weird hatred for the original games/NV for some odd reason.

This!

I've been having a real good time playing 76 ever since the show, it's been a blast.

I was in the same boat, but I decided to try it out because I was desperate for any new Fallout content. It's honestly not awful, but it doesn't measure up to the other games. It's structured as an MMO, so the NPC's are more infrequent and have less to say than the other games. The carrying capacity is also a pain to deal with.

You're missing out big time

The game would be great - if it wasn't an MMO. It just doesn't work very well as one. If it was a privately hosted co-op, it would be significantly better. Being an MMO just makes the world feel inconsistent, the weird mix of solo and party missions completely breaks the gameplay loop and the server lag is very noticeable when others are nearby.

But how did it happen though? It must've been a mistake in the show to put the "fall of shady sands" for the date of 2077?

​@MasterKjK I believe the implication is that the fall and the nuke are two different events. It seems like Shady Sands was no longer the capital of the NCR so the economic loss may have resulted in it going from a massive hub of civilization to a bit of a backwater. Or the set design people just made a mistake.

I'm leaning on production mistake for that one. 2277 is roughly the same date as the first battle of hoover dam, and while "fall" could mean a lot, having the place nuked would completely overshadow anything that happened in the years prior to that.

@@joshuadarrow I'd probably agree with that. In most shows a small mistake like that would probably be missed or overlooked. Fallout fans however are pretty rabid about the lore. 🤣

@@MasterKjKwatch season 2 and maybe find out

Quick correction. She wasnt dead to him because she left the Vault. She was dead to him because she took the kids.

@@cmike123 either reason could be correct, what he said was "she stopped being your mother when she left home... When she took you into danger".

In star wars uncle Ben tells Luke his father is dead and later explained that when he became darth vader the man who was his father had died. This is the same scenario I thought when I watched the seaso finally I'm glad someone else has finally said what I was thinking 🤣🤣🤣

She took the kids with her, so the Mum was dead when she died. Lucy even talks about her surface memories in one scene where she says she thought the sun was real until after her Mum died. So she actually remembered being in real fields under the real Sun.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that bombardment is something you can stop, yes? If so. It's better that they didn't do that, because that would lock in a specific ending to that DLC, and invalidate all other player choices. I think that's part of the reason we so rarely get fallout games that take place in the same part of the country. I'm a setting like fallout, I feel like location is the difference between an historical fact, and a story.

That would mean respecting lore created outside of Bethesda. It's clear Bethesda is willing to trash the old lore whenever it impedes their creative decisions.

@@Imfphas20the show adaptation was incredibly faithful and used old lore from even 1 and 2 constantly. Shut up about you goddamn hate boner for Bethesda no one cares man it’s played out at this point.

@@Imfphas20 I mean maybe, but there was *so* much New Vegas stuff there in the last couple of episodes that I think the time for assuming that Bethesda has an axe to grind with the popularity of New Vegas is kind of over. It's been 15 years. Obsidian generally isn't interested in working on someone else's IP after all the bad experiences they had. I don't think there's a beef. And whether it was the showrunners or anyone else there were *clearly* New Vegas fans behind the wheel. Any implication that Shady Sands was bombed out of existence before New Vegas was clearly unintended. It's been clarified at this point that the bombing of Shady Sands is meant to take place right after New Vegas. Given that several (or was it just one guy? My memory is hazy so maybe I'm remembering the same thing twice or something?) Fallout veterans had already said that the expansion and growth of the NCR was taking Fallout too far away from it's roots and they would likely have gotten rid of it if they were still in charge of the story... I always felt like if we were ever to return to the West Coast in the Fallout series the NCR would need to be gone or fractured. New Vegas was kind of setting up for that, showing how the NCR was really crumbling under it's own weight even in a best-case scenario. Tying the bombing to Ulysses is something I would have disliked. I don't care if they retcon or pick canon endings for Fallout 4. But don't tell me my Courier straight up *failed* Lonesome Road or that the outcome was entirely different to what I achieved. That's not respecting Old Lore. That'd be disrespecting players. If they have to pick a canon ending for certain things I'm fine with that, but doing it just to somehow flex that they played New Vegas would be both superfluous and disrespectful of the players investment in their own version of the stories. Still, the fact that Ulysses *could* access and make use of an old nuclear base like that also makes it very clear that it's not a big stretch for Vault-Tec remnants to manage the same thing. So knowing the New Vegas story still helps strengthening that of the show in this regard, knowing that the ability to drop nukes wasn't just pulled out of a hat because the show wanted it's "Holdo Maneuver". If anything *not* tying it directly to Ulysses, but still being able to lean back on that as an indication that there's still plenty of un-launched nukes around shows that they *did* respect the lore established by Obsidian *without* feeling the need to rewrite it to stroke their own egos, I'm an Obsidian fanboy and generally don't like most of what Bethesda does. (Fallout 4 has good gameplay by the standards of the series, but dear *god* that writing.) But the whole "Bethesda has it out for *real* Fallout" thing is getting hella old and tired and quite frankly sounds like it's coming from a very childish world-view. It's a little embarassing to watch since pretty much any OG fan of New Vegas kind of has to be a full adult at this point.

@@HellaGust The presence of elements from FNV by itself does not mean much. There's plenty of OT stuff in the Disney Star Wars films but the lore is far from respected. The next part is citing opinions, not much to say there. Any future entry must accept various choices that were made by player characters. You could side with the Master in Fallout 1, but the lore (and those players who did) were not disrespected by Fallout 2 acknowledging an ending where the Master loses. I don't even care that Bethesda doesn't respect the old lore. But I don't like people peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining. You can like the show, cool, but don't sing to me of qualities it doesn't possess.

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The instant he does, the algorithm will shift to ignore anything less than 10 minutes, 1 second.

The collapse of the NCR was something House explicitly wanted to prevent (which is why you stop the assassination of Kimball). No ending other than Ulysses nuking the NCR implies what is seen in the show

@@Imfphas20 House wanting to prevent the collapse of the NCR isn't necessarily the same as him succeeding in that goal if another player with greater influence decided they *did* want the Republic to collapse. I feel like what happened with Shady Sands happened *regardless* of how New Vegas panned out. And this would also let them be kind of vague on who actually won the second battle of Hoover Dam in the show. The big thing is basically whether or not House will appear in the show. Beyond that what happens in New Vegas only matters to the survival of the NCR if we assume that there weren't forces *outside* of the New Vegas factions working against the NCR, which the show confirms there being. So while New Vegas isn't retconned, no particular ending is more or less appropriate than any other. The Legion could've won then fallen to bits after the death of Caesar, leaving the Mojave more or less as it was before the Legion and NCR started fighting over it. Or the NCR won but fell to internal power struggles regardless of the attempts of House to keep that from happening. Or the Vault-Tec remnants or other nefarious organizations we have not yet encountered (*is* there actually enough of the Enclave left for Wilzig to be from there, or was that misdirection?). To anyone in that meeting of corpo heads or those following in their footsteps the NCR would be the biggest threat to their idea of letting humanity wipe itself out and then coming in to pick up the pieces. Any number of hitherto unseen factions would have had the NCR in their crosshairs. House's reach in the best-case scenario didn't really reach beyond the Mojave. Without help from The Courier he could barely keep The Strip in line. You're right that Ulysses nuking the NCR would be one of the end-states most likely to trigger the republic collapsing even before Shady Sands was nuked. But I find it fairly unlikely that the showrunners is gonna tie the NCR's collapse to any particular choice or quest outcome achieved by the player in New Vegas. New Vegas was generally making a point of the potential collapse of the NCR looming large even if the Legion was defeated. Caesar in his megalomania saw himself as the arbiter of civilization's salvation by forcing the NCR into a shape that could survive through a conflict he was never expecting to win in the long run. Now I do think Mr. House is boss enough that they might well have him around in Season 2 which would make a specific ending canonical. But they could also just pass it off as the *real* House having survived, hiding somewhere while waiting for all the chaos to blow over. Or have that final shot of New Vegas be a bit of a fakeout and not dwell there very long and just leave it vague. Lots of possibilities without needing to commit to a hard retcon.

They might try to avoid saying who won. I heard they told the writers they need to avoid canonizing endings. So I'm also interested in the approach they are going to take.

Theres no way we wont see the major mojave peeps like House and the Legion, but they'll probably go for a middleground thats vague so as to not step on the game's toes and to keep the focus on the tv plot

So there's only 8 episodes and at least one is a clunker? What does that say about the show? I haven't seen [the show], but I've heard people allude to the editing (way they cut together the different stories) being odd at times

@@flaminghead1va thats true, but because of the fact that I could move on to the next episode it doesnt affect my rating. It has its issues, but they dont take away from the overall enjoyment because theres more good then bad and the fact that I dont have to wait a week to erase the bad allows me to get over them quickly

Some of the scenes were a bit slow but overall very good.

You are correct.

If this is true then this makes either Mr House/Yes Man/Caesars legion ending canon. Interesting playing New Vegas knowing no matter that the NCR is destined to collapse no matter what happens.

@@Trivelius97 Nope. Shady Sands fell, not NCR. Heck, even the massive billboard said Shady Sands was the FIRST capital of NCR.

Shady Sands was unique in Fallout in that it was never occupied ruins, it was all new construction. I think the show kind of abandoned that considering the height of the buildings.

@@cory6266 Maybe. We also dont know what type of tech they used other than the EDEN. Mouldaver is as old as Cooper and not a ghoul, but I dont think she was in cryo-stasis.

Sounds to me like they probably just futzed the timeline a little, changed some things partway through writing the show, and then didn't notice the effect that had on the timeline elsewhere. I imagine they'll try to patch it up later

@@swiftlymurmurs1825 I think it's more audience misinterpretation, On the blackboard showing the 'timeline' people think the 2277 date is also the date shady sands was nuked, but the 2277 is actually a reference to the first battle of hoover dam. Then theres and arrow pointing from left to right insinuating that it was nuked at some point after that but people seem to have assumed 2277 is the year it was destroyed. Though admittedly, they could have made that a little clearer, perhaps the board should have said NCR overstretched or something along those lines.

​@swiftlymurmurs1825 he very clearly says in the interview the fall of shady sands is a completely separate event from the nuke going off.

Why would you nuke a place that already fell

@@douxillyfr because you want to nuke your wife for stealing your kids? did you watch the show?

Except that's not "Fall of the NCR" but "Fall of Shady Sands", which are far two different things. You talk about the Fall of the Roman Empire to talk about how the Empire declined over centuries until it was no more, you talk about the Fall of Constantinople to talk about how a city was destroyed, conquered or pillaged during a war. So it either means that it is indeed nuked at that date, or it means that someone fucked up while writing on the props.

@@Kaosi that is why I said the capital of the NCR not actually the NCR. Shady Sands was already in decline by NV as many NPCs say in the game. It's not even certain by that time if it was the capital of the NCR anymore.

So the date 2077 was a mistake in the show then?

​@@MasterKjKor more likely, the 'fall of shady sands' is a separate event to the nuking.

@@MasterKjK No that date is correct. It's simply that Shady Sands falling doesn't mena it wa snuked, the nuking and the falling were separate events

The "Fall" was probably the gradual decline that npcs already talk about in FO: NV@@MasterKjK

Source?

Just as you're saying, bethesda has a boner for the forever "immediately after the apocalypse" and refuse to explore what actually happens once the dust is settled and people can recover.

I get what youre tryna say but they only showed a tiny tiny bit of the NCR we don't have any evidence that the NCR was destroyed, keep in mind that their territory was massive by FNV and moving the capital and losing shady sands and new vegas isnt really a big deal considering how huge NCR was. Its only been 8 episodes so far so I think we won't know whats going on in the wider world until next season

Not every enclave outpost was destroyed, there are three known that haven’t been touched by the game plots. As to the NCR, this great government entity was in absolute shambles during NV. So much so they were getting their ass handed to them by a group of raiders cosplaying as Romans. With multiple references to the main land deteriorating and losing control. So much so that you actively have to work harder to help them following their path in game with nearly double the missions. The game tells you outright nothing is ever going to change, there is no power that’s going to make the world whole again. War never changes.

The Brotherhood probably swelled in numbers after the fall of Shady Sands. The NCR we don't actually know how much of it is left, I am guessing the other major cities exist still, at least until they confirm otherwise. Anyways, there's a lot of warring factions the reset isn't exactly surprising. Heck, Lonesome Road has multiple endings where the NCR is nuked, this isn't a new thing. Even without Lonesome Road, the NCR themselves admit they're in decline and faltering.

@@davidbodor1762the brotherhood swelled in numbers for sure. Whole lot of Roman names in that brotherhood all of a sudden. Feel they go well with their new red flag.

In case New Vegas was not one of them, I offer my recommendation now. It can be treated as a standalone. Yes, it is my favorite. Also, I strongly suggest completing each without mods before experimenting. Some mods* are great but they really do change the gameplay experience into something new and not compareable.

They had to... Take a faction like NCR or Brotherhood of Steel or The Enclave or any of the factions, if they were levt to thrive, how long before they cleaned up and civilized the wasteland? What setting would the next game be set in, Fallout with no super mutants or ghouls or ruins or any of that? So they need to have those factions mess upp and fail time after time or there will be no Fallout. This is also why they are never erased completley so they can be used the next time a faction get's to strong. So yes NCR is out there and so is the Enclave and all the rest of them. Many people have a hard time to see that.

Doesn't that essentially mean the death of the NCR and the birth of several new factions? Strange none of them show up. At least, until you realize Bethesda Fallout is incapable of exploring any setting that isn't a neolithic wasteland.

@@Imfphas20 That is what Fallout is. How fun would a Fallout game be where there are no ghouls or Super Mutants or mutated enemies at all. No ruins to explore, no new lore to discover nothing. "Welcome to the NCR please hand in your guns and don't spit on the sidewalk." This is why all the faction have to fail when they get to strong, or we would not have any more Fallout games.

@@BolinFoto That's exactly what FNV is not and why people like it. Super Mutants, the FEV, and ghouls all play a minor part (and muties are not just fodder NPCs in it). They got creative and made factions major antagonists/forces while also exploring new creatures.

@@Imfphas20 Yes minor parts is the key words. But NCR didn't play a minor part they had almost all of California, and then the Legion had almost all of the midwest. That's too big and powerful and when it comes to writing a story you paint yourself into a corner with that. there is no room for new things, so the NCR had to go. Let's say the NCR was still there and Lucy left the vault, then what? All she needed to do was to go the nearset NCR police station and report the crime and then sit and wait for the NCR to deal with it. Fun show that would have been. This happens in all the Fallout games that one factions mess up and get's creamed en then in the next game some other faction is the biggie that mess up and get's creamed and on it goes.