I made a few mistakes in this video, but I found them later, during the editing and it was too late to correct them. The numbers that I gave are wrong. The calculation needed to be with the Tenere suspension travel which is 220mm front and 200mm rear. Then the numbers will be completely different and everything will make sense. Also, static sag is when the bike stands on its tires, and race sag is when you sit on it. Someone even corrected me in the comments, thanks! Anyway, the riding test explained everything. Plamen also test the Tenere with the new springs and confirmed my words.

Suspension upgrade is by far the best modification I've done on my 500x. Hagon, a British company, took my weight together with pillion and luggage and sent me a whole rear shock with a remote preload adjuster. This last bit has made switching between solo and loaded pillion a 2 minute job, and so much easier than before. The ride difference is a revelation. People spend hundreds on exhaust, crash protection and luggage etc, but ignore something that makes a massive difference. Good topic. Safe happy travels 👍

Hello Pavlin. F*** the algorithms! Don’t be shy to make these types of mechanical videos 45 mins in duration. If like me, I’m confident your Subscribers will enjoy them as much as I do and make their favourite beverage last (or even have a sneaky second)!!! Keep up the good work….. you are certainly helping more than just one person. All the best. Looks like my Ten700 will be getting some new springs at her next service!!!

What a difference!! At 17:40 I'm sure you notice how well balanced the front and rear of the bike are upon landing vs before. Great job on the camera work and your mechanic is the man!!

Hi Paulin. I am 77 kg , I started with just rear spring swap, got this "Uprated shock spring Yamaha Tenere 700, white, 85 N/mm Item #: SF-TTS-T700-85" fro German webshop. With no bag I got correct sag with zero preload , leaving space to whatever heavy rear bag. ... what a difference in riding ! Your spring rate/rider weight ratio is on a soft side i reckon. The rear end behaved awesomely with my new spring. I had plans to swap front springs and cartridges (to get rid of small hits from rocks), but... 2022 came and I had to sell my bikes, my house, garage and leave from Russia, but this is another story. Enjoy your rides !

Aaaah, all that „Balkanism“ is heartwarming: double-quadruple stovepipe extension - check Iskra retro phone - check shabby (but somehow not too shabby) roads - check Keep up the great work!

Yep. This is common with Yamaha's, the stock suspension is set up for a (by my North American standards anyways) light rider. In recent years I've owned a mt07, Tracer 900 GT, and Tenere 700. All three needed to be resprung, but the Tenere most of all. The soooooft stock springs are comfortable on the road, but they lead to weird handling under heavy acceleration or braking, and the suspension will bottom out easily even without jumping it. The upside is you can look up the correct springs for your weight and riding style on Racetech's calculator, order the springs from anywhere online you like, then pull the forks/shock off and bring them into a shop to be resprung with minimal effort and basic tools (assuming you're not comfortable and lack the required specialty tools to do it yourself) for about 1.5 - 2 hours labour in total. Makes the respringing process surprisingly inexpensive.

Good Science and always great to have a visit to Plamen's pro-shop !

What a nice garage, and even better if the mechanic knows the bike so well

Springs are very important especially for old bikes, heavy riders and carrying heavy loads. All three for me. I put Progressive springs and shocks on both of my old Wings. Huge improvement in handling and no bottoming. No other springs available for my Honda Falcon 400. Noticed mushy in the front and sagged a lot when I sat on it. When I had it apart for seals I added 19mm spacers on top of the springs. A piece of plastic pipe and a washer. Much improved.

I’ve watched the video till the end. This a very interesting topic for many riders, thanks for sharing 👍

Great video, Pavlin, and probably an upgrade I will need to address in the future....Thank you! All the best for a happy, healthy, and prosperous 2023....ride safe!

Same upgrade I have done to my xt660z, now I decied to buy new tenere 700 but at the end I bought tenere 700 World Raid, this was the reason (among the others) I am exactly your size/weight. Thanks for video

I changed the valves, oil, springs, and rear shock of my Vstrom last year. The standard suspension did well enough on normal roads but it didn't cope on dirt roads. Now it is much better on dirt roads, but also a lot better on normal roads.

I've been considering the amount exact same upgrade for my Super Tenere. They are known for soft springs, should be a good call

Thanks so much for this show. We all learn so much from you shows an get a massive amount of inspiration an confidence to do our own thing. Great job, keep um commin.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️🏍️

Pavlin this is the best video in KZfaq regarding Tenere 700 suspension. I was looking YAMAHA's website and now they offer the ohlins springs, I think I will order them.

I had the same experience with my Honda XL 1000. Especially with 2 people and a full load, the rear wheel suspension was overwhelmed. I installed a specially adapted Wilbes shock absorber. It was a good decision. Perhaps just another spring would have sufficed. All the best for 2023 and greetings from Germany.

I weight the same as you , and had also to upgrade front and rear springs with the same rate. And it solved only one part of the problem, because, another problem is damping, hydraulics settings. T7 has a very bad setting.. That's why I had to go to Ohlins, front and rear, of course more expensive, but more effective ( another option here in France is EMC, sounds good ).

Thanks Man for the good video. My CRF1000l have same problem. I to same upgrade like you. Keep going.

I've used Off The Road for a lot of my parts especially suspension. It is duty and vat free for me and shipping is very reasonable and timely 5 days to door in USA. Where would you find a bumpy road in Bulgaria. Like Kentucky everyday you turn. I knew the changes would make a huge difference. Glad it worked out for you. Fork seals. SKF are the slick ones dust and slider. Those covers are worth their weight in gold. Used them on all my bikes since the 70's. Safe riding

Excellent video thank you for the details on the spring rates I have just purchased a 2024 Tenera

Literally first thing i did after buying T7. It’s a must have if you are 100+ kg rider

Its a common thing that manufacturers take the average person around 80kg (by example KTM Does also like that) and who weighs only 80kg with gear? Nearly nobody. By you, the too soft springs had too little air chambers to compensate that. Also i guess you had strong compression to help compensate. With the right springload, original clicks will work miracoulisly :-) Thank you for your explicit videos, helps a lot more than all those "short" Videos. Greez from Switzerland

I was wondering when you were finally going to do this. Many Japanese manufacturers have designed the spring rate only up to 75 kg rider weight. (All small Japanese) 😁 On my ZX14R I immediately installed a different shock absorber Öhlins TTX39, the best on the market, with hydraulic spring preload. When I ride with my wife or with luggage...then adjust according to weight. Greetings from Germany

This was a very important and informative video... Thank you for making it.

Excellent video Pavlin as usual 👍👍and a Happy New year 👍

A Scott's steering damper is a good investment as well. Control the bars from kicking.

Hi Pailin, Happy New Year to you and your family. Thank you again for great instructional video. I don’t have the Tenere, but the XSR 700 and like you have changed the front and rear suspension. They are designed for the average Japanese rider nearly half our weight 🤭. I went for K Tech. set up and it’s a very different bike. Spent my money on that first, pretty thing later. Save travels on your next adventure 🍻

I recently did this work and all measurements on the front and rear of my 2016 Tiger Sport 1050. I weigh around 93kg (105kg in gear) and the stock triumph springs especially the fork springs were way to soft. I went from 6N/mm to 9N/mm and in the front and I changed the rear stock spring 15kg/mm to an old blackbird spring 16,9kg/mm. I made myself a measuring tool with my drillpress and my bathroomscale, so I knew exactly what changes I was making. After the changes my riders sag was spot on and the bike was completely changed for the better

I've hyperpro kits fitted to 2 of my bikes, the difference to stock suspension is incredible. People spend €€€€ on exhausts and cosmetic upgrades but for me suspension is always first. Then heated grips 👍👍

Excellent video! Thank you for the info.

I like the longer videos 💯

I am in process of changing mine front and rear. If sized according to you weight and load riding style they will be great. Like a new machine under you. Happy New Year and safe travels

I was thinking about similar upgrade on my bike as well. Thanks for the video. I'm convinced now it is worth it :-)

For sure springs make huge difference !

You took your time to see what improvements you needed compared to the stock suspension . Excellent result ,Pavlin . I wonder if your mechanic Plamen ,will do a similar upgrade also ?

I put 63N fork springs and 85N shock spring.. I weigh 220 lbs and ride with up to extra 30lbs of gear. I have good midrange adjustability in shock. My fork spring is at full preload and is okay, but will update front spring to next stiffer level. I ride pavement to street, fire road, jeep trail and desert whoops. All of it. In desert whoops, I occasionally tap the fork bottom. New fork spring should cure this. I think your shock spring may be too stiff..

Well if you just look at 2022 World Raid T7, you'll see they one of the changes is the springs, so you are correct in your changes.

Congratulation Pavlin 👍

Thank you, very usefull expirience by first person. Many thanks.

Excellent video! I wonder why Yamaha's stock springs are for people 80 KG. max. I would guess most men with riding gear weigh more than that. One would think they would increase it a bit. But now I know there is a solution should I have a problem. I am planning on purchasing a T7 soon. I am getting older, and my big R1200gsa was just getting too heavy for me to ride. Thanks for your excellent videos Pavlin.

I liked progressive replacement springs on my previous Tenere a lot: both on and offroad handling improved very much. I am not sure if I will do this on the T700 because I am 75 kg and so far so good. I would choose progressive replacement springs if I were to upgrade the stock suspension.

Could you please share your preferred suspension recipe ( how many clicks you set it to on the different adjustable parts) thank you 🙏

Excellent!

Hmm 🤔, this may have to be the first upgrade I do on my new T7. Thanks!

If you're heavier than usual AND ride more extrems trails, you have to change stock suspension. Cranking up preload is only a workaround. Most of the time it's a costly affair, because normally you have to change compression/rebound damping, too. Funny enough on my Beta Alp 200 (not exactly a hightech bike) we had to use softer springs front and back due to single riding instead of two-up. Thanks for showing, Günter/Nürnberg

Hello Pavlin and Happy New Year, Yamaha Tenere owners will surely appreciate this video. I saw that you put MITAS EO7 (Dakar?) on your bike. As You ride a lot on all types of terrain, it would be nice to give us a little feedback on these tires when you have worn them out. Thanks in advance and happy future travels.

IMO The T700 needs a complete $3000 suspension upgrade when you buy it... not just springs. Thats why the KTM 890R is worth the extra money since it comes with race ready suspension (among other things).

Another Great Video Amigo 🤠👍

Upgrading the ergonomics is much cheaper than changing the bike - my BMW F700GS is now tailormade😂

Small change but such a big difference.

Hi nice video. Measurement on the front are not true measurements if you didn't stretch the topuot spring by pulling the wheel down. Oem cartridge doesn't provide enough hydraulic support. Enjoy the ride and if you can revalve go for it! Ktech does nice valving Thanks for sharing your experience

Thank you very much.

23 minutes felt like 5 minute video because it was so educational.

We don't weigh like factory riders. We are real world men.

hi, do you think it is possible do two up very loaded with 2 panniers and topcase long trip with upgraded 95N rear spring and front upgraded aswell? :) We are 105kg and 70kg, thank you!

Wouldn't be so worried about exploding cartridges. If you run out of stroke it's much more likely to make you lose control of your bike, especially going through ruts in corners.

TOP video.

Excellent video. I need to adjust my T7 springs as I have same weight requirements as you. Thank you for explaining all this. How may languages do you speak? Thanks!

I’m 95 KG and opted for 6.6N/mm front and 90N/mm rear, but thinking of going up to a 95 rear spring. The standard damping is too soft for the higher spring rates, so I also had K Tech piston kits fitted.

Would have been interesting to see the jumps with (original spring) maximum dampening before changing the springs.

Hi Pavlin! Another excelente Video! Thank you. Did you notice that the T7 gets taller with the new spings? Or stays the same height as the original springs? Thank you!

Very interesting as all of your videos 😜 please could you confirm if that was a Mitas endruro 07 on the front

Great video! What tires are those?

This is the way

Its possible to swap the front springs without removing the forks, takes about half hour. I didnt change the oil though.

Hello Pavlin, Attention OFF the Road (OTR Performance Cologne) wanted to cheat me off. I saw your video about new suspension, I am same like you as weight and height. Then I ordered the same springs and Motul oil like you from OTR Cologne and I asked if the springs could be exchanged from OTR for my fork and shock absorber and they said yes. I dismantled my forks and shock absorber and sent them to OTR Cologne by post. Then I wait long time and I make a lot of pressure for the work to be done, my forks and rear spring were returned like have new springs. Then I opened my package and in the package were the Motul oil from the fork in the original canister, not in the fork how was ordered and I look at my shock absorber was not untouched, the spring was not exchanged. Then I measured the spring, I got the masses from your video, the OEM spring was 11.51 mm, then the spring was not exchanged, as i realized. OTR spring 90 N / mm with 12.98 mm thick as you wrote was not on the rear spring, then it was clear to me. I called and asked what happened and they told me need to check. Then confirmed was not exchanged because they seen I had an idea about mechanics. I was in business and spoke to the manager and he told me he doesn't care what other people do in their business. He tries to convince me with different lies like in kindergarten. Also, in the store no one seems to have a clue about the moto bike and what's going on in the shop with the orders. I won't buy anything from OFF THE ROAD again or recommend anyone.

Hello again! 90 Nm is not too strong?, no shake?no back pain? have you ever thought that maybe an 85Nm rear spring would have been enough?

the before and after jump looked very similar to me

Bonsoir Pavel, meilleurs vœux 2023 ! comment tu as trouvé le changement sur la route !? pour ma part, j'ai fait l'arrière et bientôt la fourche. la différence est surprenante sur l'arrière j'use le pneu normalement ! avant impossible de balancer la moto dans les virages... (85nm) est ce que l'ensemble te convient !? à quelle pression d'air tu roules !? je vous souhaite pleins de beaux voyages ....

Great video, thank you. Having one question - if you could would you go for even stiffer splings? You saying this is about 20% stiffer setup. Would you go 30% if you could choose now?

Is the stock valving good enough for stiffer springs? Would you be better off getting cartidges and springs with adjustable preload? Buy once cry once? Or were the springs just fine by themselves?

Thanks a lot Pavlin. Another great video! Do you know by chance if the oil and dust seals from Tenere 700 fit the older sister XT660Z?

Just received the 90N/mm rear spring. I'm around 103 Kg with gear on. I just hope it will not be too stiff 🙂

What tires are you running with your new suspension?

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thanks for it i will buy from it for my suzuki if it have thanks man you have a cafe from me for this

the front spring is presented as being 2 steps stronger and the rear spring is given as being 3 steps stronger. is there any imbalance of the motorcycle?

Sansacional quais as especificações das molas dianteiras e traseira?? Saudações .

Did you stay with the standard recommended clicker settings on the rear after the spring upgrade Pailin ?

7:08 what happed with the aluminium mounting poin of your chain roller? I see there big damage and I want to know how can i avoid it i my tenere :)

I have bought these ones aswell, except front 6.3 (just need to change them, but in no hurry, winter is long). Did you reassemble front forks completely because you wanted to service these fully?

I m interested just for the rear spring,ratio driver weight 110 kg plus pilion pkus lagguage..how mouch is the price??

Did yoy have the rear springs as stiff ss they could be before you chajged the shocks?

what brand of springs did you use? Thank you

The problem is, the T7 isn't a dirt bike. It's a too tall street bike. Start treating it like a dirt bike and all sorts of bad things happen. The fork seals don't, the rear shock doesn't, the adjusters don't do squat, the deep oil sump gives a high CG and poor swing arm angles. The whole bike is a bean counters compromise. The only thing good about it is the looks.

hello, why did you choose linear springs instead of progressive? this year i would like to also change/improve my suspension on T7

How much difference was it in the front springs? Could u change front and back or is it enough to just change rear?

Were the springs non-progressive? It looked like the case.

I thought that 'this madness had to stop!' 🙃

Tenere T7 more more money and finaly it’s more expensive than Ducati! 2023 new T7 cost in Europe 11’600Euro, expensive bike without option.

i prefer longer and detailed video

I weigh 73kg so stock springs are okay.

🤦‍♂🤣 Looks much more planted, now. Less bouncy.

Did you consider progressive springs?

How much $$ does this upgrade cost?

İs he in Bg?

6.6 front and 90 rear?

Oh it's so stiff now .