I'll never win a Golden Demon again...

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Жыл бұрын

"Why are you not entering Golden Demon anymore?" Here is the truth...
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@journeyinpaint Жыл бұрын

A golden demon sits on the shelf and looks a bit dusty. The Grimdark spacemarines people have painted, the beginner who pushed themselves to try something new and the community you've created to help push people to just enjoy the process. I Imagine those sit in your heart.

@Mightypi Жыл бұрын

Lad you are a great painter, an outstanding competitor but you are by far and away a world class teacher.

@duxbellorum01 Жыл бұрын

I completely concur… I don’t need Chris to earn more awards to justify my support and attention

@rainers8853 Жыл бұрын

If there were Golden Demons for helping others in their hobby journey, you’d have a house full of them. I really value the way you teach minipainting.

@Maxmillion77 Жыл бұрын

The skill that goes into painting award winning pieces is exceptional but as you inferred, now days the bar is so high, if people want to be competition painters they almost have to make it their main focus in life, which, unless you are a commision painter, most people don't have the time or space to fit in that level of commitment alongside other goals. You're lucky enough to have seen the competition side of things and now you've settled on a part of the hobby that you enjoy and made a successful job out of it which to me is very admirable.

@nekrataali Жыл бұрын

Looking back at past Golden Demons is a trip. Winners from 20 years ago wouldn't even make it past 100 views on social media today.

@Bonesawisready926 Жыл бұрын

Even commission painters don't have that kind of time. They're doing commissions.

@the_guitarcade Жыл бұрын

As I listened to you say you wouldn't be entering any more, while sitting next to a Golden Demon, it made me want to see what the results would be if you painted a Golden Demon to Golden Demon standards.

@stephenrider6107 Жыл бұрын

golden-ception demon?

@BB-pn2qv Жыл бұрын

You won the golden demon. It makes sense that you achieved that milestone and are looking on to the next one. Being one of the best paint artists and teachers is a new focus, and admirable one.

@scotthancock8225 Жыл бұрын

Talented people with no ego are amazing teachers, I appreciate what you do for your followers and the painting community. Totally enjoy these types of videos

@caseyfrechette Жыл бұрын

I think you are the most enthusiastic when you are just showing us a new idea or technique and something you enjoyed doing. Glad you are following your heart instead of getting bogged down in competition...And thanks for sharing as always.

@duxbellorum01 Жыл бұрын

Love you,brother! Your sense of humor and approach to teaching keeps me coming back over and over. Every month I keep hoping I can join your Patreon just to help support you more besides liking and commenting on all videos. Life is tough and money is tight right now, but I appreciate everything you do. You motivate me every time. Thanks for what you do my friend.

@tabletop-mini-showcase Жыл бұрын

I've seen a ton of your minis and they are inspirational as funk, you probably just focus on the things you don't like and forget that other people probably don't even notice that, so when you compare yourself to others remember you're doing so with a bias. I don't believe the other painters are better or out of your range...I do believe you don't want to focus all of your time and effort on painting the way they do, because I would bet if you did, you would accomplish that task. You're my favourite painter because your minis inspire me, and I love your blunt honesty because I know it's not easy giving critiques, however, it is beneficial. I usually get my besty to critique stuff because he tries to find things I can improve and doesn't just tell me it's great...sometimes it irritates me, but it always helps me improve.

@NrKoo 21 күн бұрын

As someone returning to your videos after a pause in minipainting, I love how you've completely lost your camera shyness in the past year or so. You have been in the top talent and minipainting teacher category since day one of your videos, and now you are also so much more friendly and likeable, all while keeping it real. Thanks a lot for your videos man, they're solid minipainting gold.

@thelonepainter4760 Жыл бұрын

I’ve learned a lot from your videos. Keep up that great work!👍🏽👌

@tungsten_carbide Жыл бұрын

Wonderful video! I appreciate your honesty and insights throughout 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@craigcook5121 Жыл бұрын

Love the videos, and the tips etc gets me excited to try and improve my painting. Would love to see a vid showing all your golden demon works and how you went about doing them.

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

I have a similar video like that "critiquing all my golden demon winners 10 years later" you can find it on my channel!

@7hird3ye Жыл бұрын

I came across your stuff when i picked up the hobby again in the past few months. You do what you need for your channel my dude. Much love

@klug5916 Жыл бұрын

I like the honest and clear breakdown. A well, it's very clear that your focus had changed, so wanting the same thing that you wanted before doesn't work anymore. Anyway, please continue to make engaging and inspirational videos. For someone like me, who only enjoys painting but have less and less time, it's still motivating ^^

@Tachicardiac Жыл бұрын

Thats a nice and refreshing view on the competition nowadays and an honest reflection of your own abilities! I applaud you!

@bluefangs867 Жыл бұрын

The honesty in this video was great, was nice to listen to. Some feelings about competing feel recognizable! Thanks for the video :)

@PerkyOriginale Жыл бұрын

This is exactly why I have huge respect for you and love your videos. It’s real, it’s true, and makes the hobby very welcoming and approachable.

@jamesharrison142 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I had a KZfaq purge a while back, and this video got me re-subscribing!

@Brain69420 Жыл бұрын

Another thing is the talent pool has grown so much more and so many more people are using so many more advanced techniques that are shared across platforms that never used to exist. Its good for the painting hobby but it also makes the skill curve much greater in the " areas of the work. Your stuffs great and just do it for your own reasons. If ever you want to try it again, its always an option. Thanks for all the cool videos and skills you share!

@spuriusligustinus4509 Жыл бұрын

These videos are really interesting and particularly your analysis of the GD afterwards (with bad GW pics lol) since you won it multiple times. A kind of interview (like the one you did with Vince) but not super long with another GD competitor about how they prepare for GD would be really interesting. You said it on stream I think that some painters prepare everything months in advance whereas others just go with their inspiration but doit for 100+++ hours.

@Zenjie862 Жыл бұрын

The first video I ever saw from you was the grimdark blood angels. I am from a D&D background, so I had never bought warhammer before, but when I saw how cool your models looked, I HAD to buy them and try it out. Now, two years later, I'm loving 40k and 100 models into the hobby, and i consistently have people tell me they love the way i painted the model. I always point them to your video 😂 You are stellar, and I wouldn't have these sick space marines without you, bud. Stay awesome.

@quitamgogh Жыл бұрын

I loved everything about this video. Especially the outtakes. I'll never paint as well as you, but I do want to enter some local competitions in the next couple of years. I'll almost certainly never compete in Golden Demon, but I might try for a little commendation pin sometime in the next decade. Thanks for all the tutorials you post on KZfaq!

@gaijin_lfc Жыл бұрын

Very thoughtful and well put!

@shannonsteven3982 Жыл бұрын

"I might be fucked" got far too much of a laugh out of me. As someone new to painting (a couple of months) your videos have been immeasurably helpful

@charlescarpenter9098 Жыл бұрын

Out of all of your videos, that very simple "You're getting old" as you rise from the chair resonated with me the most, lol. Love your stuff, keep producing awesome content for us old timers just trying to improve ourselves!

@tombrand236 Жыл бұрын

Great video man. Totally get all of those points! You are a fantastic educator whilst also making entertaining videos - I love the theory you apply like Vince Ventruella and Richard Gray. All inspirations to me and how I have thought about things a lot more. Not simply base, wash, highlight any more. So thanks for the great content you create, it’s much appreciated and amazing I can learn so much watching in my own home. Although criticising Darren Latham aka the messiah maybe means you’re blacklisted now 😂

@watts18269 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always mate you’re the best. I kinda understand your first point, I’ve been a tattooist for about 13 years and people think I finish work then spend the rest of my time drawing. Truth be told I’m finding it harder and harder to draw for my own enjoyment these days. Anyway, great vid!

@pwwillia Жыл бұрын

Great video, i always like these introspective videos. From a personal standpoint I know I'll likely never win a golden demon as I'm a average painter who cant afford the time to give to get to that level. i think id like to challenge myself to paint something to enter just for the feedback and it would be nice to experience it at least once. BTW, as a father of a five year old I totally get how its exhausting to get up :) they're getting faster while you're getting slower. Though im looking forward to picking up the new Seraphon models from GW, he loves dinosaurs and I think it would be a nice project for us both to have a go at, this is also something for yourself to look forward too.

@Coffeehouse1977 Жыл бұрын

Those are very honest and convincing reasons. Much respect to you!

@kearseymorton2078 Жыл бұрын

I really like your constant humility and how you never mention that you won so many great painting awards in the past, i had to dig deep into the dark web to find out, it is really refreshing compare your attitude to all those scrubs who are ALWAYS boasting about their past glory, props to you!

@harleyjay338 Жыл бұрын

as a beginner painter i have learnt so much from you, i feel like this is a time i should say that, and by the looks you've helped many other people, that's worth more than any golden demon to me tbh, thanks mate

@craigconnor7398 Жыл бұрын

You are a great tutor one of if not the best on youtube, I watch and follow many painters on youtube but I've learnt more from you then any other say maybe Darren his channel was awesome also. pass on the torch and inspire the next generation of golden demon winners. Who knows maybe your kids will one day lift one or even that sword we all want so badly.

@MrAevans3 Жыл бұрын

your channel has been inspiring and educational for me from a techinque and skill standpoint but at the end of the day I'm just a dad trying to paint fun things I can be proud of on the tabletop, in my spare time. this is a great message to remind me that even though I am never likely to win any awards, or perhaps because of that, I shouuld always make it a prioty to paint in a way that is fun and enjoyable for me. thank you.

@ASMiniatures Жыл бұрын

It's really interesting ! Thanks for the job :)

@ed8869 Жыл бұрын

Honest & sincere, thank you for always showing your inner you. Your offspring, income and love of what you are doing is your most important legacy. Thanks Trov!

@euansmith3699 Жыл бұрын

This is a far more fun and interesting video than I thought it was going to be. The Disgruntled Discord Calls really made me giggle.

@clubskitzhardstyle Жыл бұрын

Dont bring urself down man You are an amazing painter Hell i wish i could have one of the minis for inspiration to improve myself to that level Ive never seen anyone elses paint jobs in person only my own So you are amazing man dont doubt urself

@picassawi5578 Жыл бұрын

Love the honest approach and that bit of comedy. I think the fact you don't like yourself in the competitive state is the key factor. Thanks for the vid.

@torn.blue.sky101 Жыл бұрын

"I'm getting old" OH how I chuckled until I realised I literally have a kneeling stool being delivered next week... Touche' ...

@EusiWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Loved the insight here great video, love your content as usual. I think your last blooper/out take summed it up in three words the best why you will never again win a Golden Demon. Because YOU"RE GETTING OLD :P

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

not wrong.

@dances4980 Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the video. Never feel like you need to explain to people why you do not feel like competing, particularly if you have already been there, done that.

@AdnanCucak Жыл бұрын

Id rather watch a video like this video than the 78th "WE SPENT $5000 ON THIS WARLORD TITAN" every week

@walterbeck5272 Жыл бұрын

You should try a series where you do a golden demon entry. Break it down week by week of how you go through the whole process from color picking and layout through each part and in-depth view of how you tackle something so mentally taxing

@kerel995 Жыл бұрын

Well made and entertaining video as always

@stretch3281 Жыл бұрын

Doing something you love doing for a job is amazing, but then it's difficult to do that same thing for yourself. Im a carpenter/joiner so i only made a new garden gate when the old one was so rotten i thought the dogs would escape. P.s. thank you for being a great teacher, golden demons loss is our gain 🙂

@JanMazurek Жыл бұрын

It's nice that you shared your experience...

@mattcurr9931 Жыл бұрын

yes, very interesting, cant wait for your wrap up video.

@jamesireland3135 Жыл бұрын

It's nice to hear this perspective from someone that has first hand experience at painting to such a high level and then deciding to take a step back from it, and the reasons why. It's how I image the impressionism movement came about. It's always good to learn like the masters but it's also nice to be able to take a step back once in a while and express yourself with your art without restrictions. And one piece shouldn't consume you.

@priestking8636 Жыл бұрын

Golden demon is good, but ideas and inspiration you give to others is far more touching) You even inspired me to try a new army for experimenting

@horationoseblower6336 Жыл бұрын

The humility of saying in a nutshell "I'm a dick when I go into competition headspace" and not finding that's your driver for painting means your happy place isn't there. It's good to know what makes you happy.

@JimCrimmins Жыл бұрын

I can easily see why competitive painting would get exhausting and potentially toxic. Your skills are remarkable and your art is a treasure. Thank you for sharing and teaching.

@crashingatom6755 Жыл бұрын

Love this perspective. Going super hard tends to make things less fun. If it’s not fun, what are we doing?? I’m in Spain for the week, everybody have fun!

@timspiker 2 ай бұрын

I hear you. Competitions ruin the fun of things. I used to enjoy shooting, for the fun of it. But I can't be part of a gun club and not join the competition (according to their rules), so I quit shooting. I tried learning Spanish on DuoLingo. But because there's a score board, I had to be Nr. 1 and this turned learning Spanish into a competition and so I had to quit, because I'd be losing sleep and learning to a point where the obsession of being Nr. 1 just becomes unhealthy. This obsession has ruined many hobbies for me and I even have to be selective about the video games I play. Because if it includes a high score board, I'm no longer having fun.

@Concept1onLoL Жыл бұрын

I mean you can also make a series about a golden demon entry. Like a video a month or so where you show off progress. I would definitely watch this and find it interesting. But I can totally get if you are not in for that! Great vid

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

yeah, i will definitely do that if I ever enter again! It just needs to be additional videos.

@kiesminis Жыл бұрын

All I'd say is never say never, but everything you said was fair. I've enjoyed painting for Golden Demon since I entered my first last year. I'm uber competitive myself but have always seen it as just a way to test myself against the better painters. I also really enjoyed meeting other great painters, so that has become more of the fix for me, do I want a Demon, hell yeah but I think realistically I know I've got so much more to learn and develop before I'm close.

@sylntghost007 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video.

@peterm7593 Жыл бұрын

You are the best artist I've ever seen my friend.

@KevinvL Жыл бұрын

This was a nice watch ❤

@Rhedone Жыл бұрын

It's always nice seeing golden demon entries through a "pro"'s eyes. Also behind the scenes videos like these are interesting

@beewee2152 Жыл бұрын

It's not a competition. Thank you for teaching.

@andreyp2810 Жыл бұрын

When I fell into this hobby I had an only one idea - I want to paint all these cool models as they (professional painters) do! I started it approximately in 2015 (but with long breaks) and those days there were only a few channels which could provide me with high quality material about painting. I also thought that someday I'll be able to attend events like GD with my models, but the more time passed, the more and more professional painters got into my sight how do this for living (but maybe for some of them it's still a cool hobby). Those days I've painted 3-4 models in a year. Daily routine, chores and so on were a great obstacle to devoting more time on painting. When I eventually set-up my workshop my progression began to grow up. I was able to paint models every day after the main job that I do for living. And only the I realized that my 1,5-2,5 hours a day that I can allow me to spend on painting models, it's just nothing comparing to them and it slightly demotivated me to participate such events, but still it inspired me to keep painting models at least for myself (especially since I've already bought pile of models that, most probably, I'll never paint). I stopped worrying about Golden Demon, Crystal Brush and similar contests - I've started doing it for myself. And the other reason that helped me to overcame this eagerness to participate contests - judging. I've watched some of events and in each of them I notices that they're really subjective and sometimes judges are really biased if they think that someone's work is better than others. On sites like CMON, Putty&Paint and so on there lot of community that really praise works of their acquaintances and skip not less good works of newcomers or people who posting not often. I understand that this is simple subjective judging and don't complain about it, but understanding of these processes really helped me to stop worrying about expecting objective evaluation of my works. i understood that the only person who's opinion is important for this - it's me. If I'm not satisfied, the I do better. If I like how it turned out - I'm happy! (yes, I know that only by criticism of more competent persons I can be better, but still). It's just helped me to do it for myself :)

@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын

I remember way back seeing Golden Demon published in WD magazine (and once visiting a big city seeing a winner in one of the GW stores and seeing how good the winning models were!). The ones that stood out to me, as a complete arm-chair observer: 1. Concept 2. Context 3. Painting Skill CONCEPT: I felt taking a given model of a given race and doing 2 things: 1. Epitomizing that lore as GW put 2. Creating an original take on that lore. Eg new colour scheme for the model's background no one thought of eg. edit eg your Tau and Necron models give a taste of doing both 1 and 2 here. CONTEXT: Fleshing out the base, adding/modifying and changing the composition of the model all added to the model, and made it more alive eg a forest character needs some reference to trees etc. The Chris Claymore models are good egs here. PAINTING SKILL: It's all above bringing the above 2 to this execution. The stuff that I can't even describe lacking the artistic know-how, but things like shadows and light, colour patterns, realism eg weathering and all that magic, emotion in the face if possible etc. That shadow on that sword and cloak and face was crazy good eg. As for painting, I enjoyed how peaceful it was painting miniatures and the colours application giving a feeling of "breathing to life" in a project. Painting for results might ruin that enjoyment?

@coldtruth9431 Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the beginning of every other sport like ufc. Royce Gracie won multiple ufc titles in the beginning but if he fought a modern ufc fighter he wouldn’t have a chance. He was still good enough to beat most anyone today but not the very best. The game has just evolved and advanced so much, the chances of winners from previous generations even in their prime being able to compete now is unlikely

@alimfuzzy Жыл бұрын

I'd watch a series of Road to the Golden Demon Awards videos. A lot of valuable information can be gained from watching larger projects.

@ionminiatures Жыл бұрын

Very sad that the video you did about your review of Golden Demon at Adepticon is deleted/taken down? I was going to watch it after work today but it doesn’t exist 😢

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

As always: Will be edited into a video, full streams are always still available through my discord.

@timokrahl5620 Жыл бұрын

I guess with competition stuff (especially after winning several golden demons) it´s more about knowing you "could" do it again than actiually doing it. You can rest well sir - you did it. There is no end to competing again and again and again - teaching the mastery one has achieved and getting the credit for it is the highest goal one can reach.

@sebastiendespoisse7636 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this inside video

@WasiKaBooM Жыл бұрын

Great video

@R-SXX Жыл бұрын

What video is the one in which you paint the chaos Marine? 1:11

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

it's on patreon

@bobbycrosby9765 Жыл бұрын

I feel #1. My career is software development. Before I did this as a regular job I would write software day and night. Nowadays, ugh. Even the thought of programming after work just feels so draining. I think part of why is there's not enough time to get "into" it. I have maybe 2 hours per day to program in my spare time. By the time I'm really getting "into" it, it's time to go to bed.

@phocalpointdesign Жыл бұрын

Professional photo checking in. I know you feel. I'd love to just bust out some 30 hour, 80 layer fine art composites, but the last thing I want to do when I get home is even open photoshop.

@Havok448 Жыл бұрын

There is a snippet in this video where you are painting in Marin that has three eyes. Which video is this from?

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

Oh...i painted that one for patreon!

@ShutUpWesley Жыл бұрын

Crap! I missed the live session, will it come op later?

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

Will edit a video yes. Full lenght is available through discord for all supporters!

@shadowknght22 Жыл бұрын

Do you have video on NMM gold?

@alancook1053 Жыл бұрын

I am a better painter because of your HONEST OPINIONATED videos!! Thank you for your choices. I enjoy this hobby more and I accept where my skills end. Thank you!!!

@p_serdiuk Жыл бұрын

It's like in any other career. You start as an employee, or an athlete, or a soldier. Do your job well, compete with others. Then transition into a leadership, teaching, and training role, to enable the next generation to outdo the previous efforts.

@duxbellorum01 Жыл бұрын

As a former soldier and leader, this is well said 🤙

@yantisisking Жыл бұрын

I think it would be actually a really great video series where you paint a mini to the highest standard. Because for me it's really hard to understand what you do on a mini for like 50-100 hours +. Your minis look so amazing after like 20 hoers already. And I have the same thing after 20 hoers I don't know where the next steps are. So it would be actually great for me to see where you would but in so Mitch Time

@fistimusmaximus6576 Жыл бұрын

Handy having someone with your experience breaking down a golden demon entry.

@socomchamp00 Жыл бұрын

Darren Lathem has entered the chat 🤬, lol

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

SIR, DROP THE BRUSH

@sysiphuspeart9012 Жыл бұрын

I relate to all of this. Especially the 'f*ck I'm getting old' part

@jorey4565 Жыл бұрын

My friend Trovarion ,for me a old 3 times lucky GD winner(2 silver and 1 bronze),the main problem is there is nno more any GD competition here in France..so way to much expensive to travel England or Usa and don't speak of the ultra concentration of great painters now struggle in every category coming outside or locals...

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's a shame. I usually don't have the budget either to travel to any of these.

@yuven437 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see a golden demon winner paint their golden demon statue and enter it into the golden demons

@theinsidioushat7543 Жыл бұрын

What's your favourite recent golden daemon entries?

@youtubevanced4900 Жыл бұрын

Has to be that skink that won the slayer sword. It was painted to perfection and didn't need an elaborate base or being a giant complex mini.

@Felix.Wingfield Жыл бұрын

When was the last time you painted something that *wasn't* games workshop?

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

I painted a wall a month ago!

@marcusleestudios7612 Жыл бұрын

I'm so happy you're not competing anymore. You're time is better spent with us and painting what you want.

@SvartElric9 Жыл бұрын

What you say makes a lot of sense. After all, it's a "friendly" competition, and you have proven yourself (to yourself mostly, I suppose) over and over again... so if the spark, as you say, is no longer there, and your main focus is content creation and teaching, you should follow what you think makes most sense for you at this point in your life.

@christopherkecun8349 Жыл бұрын

Felt those last seven seconds ...

@sebastien9193 Жыл бұрын

I think recent golden demon mini are in a weird style, a style of glowing, shiny (even for skin)perfect paintjob that are technically awesome, but that I dislike, I prefer many more minis like the space marine grimdark you have paint

@randomusernameCallin Жыл бұрын

I think there need a new tournament that is not control by GW. You can still have the 100 hours+ group but you can have more. I would love to see a terrain grouping. I say a unpainted kit bashing set up. A 1 hour paint job contest.

@ghostoflazlo Жыл бұрын

So what we're watching now is you holding back?! "I'm not even in my final FORM!!"

@papazoulou9326 Жыл бұрын

Concerning the quality, I Just checked Warhammer Vault and found a White Dwarf from 2004-ish. The level is ridiculously better nowadays. It's nuts.

@legionnaireminis Жыл бұрын

You know what would be fun to see is you painting one of your awards like its a miniature

@denimtux9573 Жыл бұрын

Pull up man, you’re spiralling!

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

Haha...no, I'm good.

@an80sactionhero Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know what model that is at 5:47?

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

New cadian sgt.

@toportime Жыл бұрын

Totally makes sense.

@ohat3062 Жыл бұрын

You forgot #7: Completed it mate! You've nothing to prove to anyone, keep up the good work doing what you enjoy!

@FlameonMiniatures Жыл бұрын

I personally really don’t like recording videos about painting. To make a good video on which people can see what I do, I have to sit in a very uncomfortable position, and I can barely see what I’m painting 😅 for some reason it’s also very stressful to me 😅

@trovarion Жыл бұрын

somehow it makes me feel glad I am not the only one!

@FlameonMiniatures Жыл бұрын

@@trovarion I’m glad to hear that too! My Lieutenant Tolmeron is the first miniature about which I didn’t make any video tutorial, and painting him went much, much quicker and and was so much more pleasant. That’s why I decided to stop making videos for some time. 😁

@sake3857 Жыл бұрын

I mean... are you the best mini painter in the world? No... just no. Do I believe you would have the ability to win another Golden Demon? Hell yeah! Bro, you are amazing and have shown that in the past over and over again!

@sake3857 Жыл бұрын

Nice thumbnail ;)