Can I ask how come Full Conceal went out of business? Was it lack of demand or other business issues?

@@DesignPrototypeTest We were a small team of 10 with a few of us assembling full time and sometimes we'd be all hands including engineers, CNC operators, and sales on assembling so sales seemed pretty strong for our small team. That's just what I saw in 2018 when I left due to health issues from a previous job so things could've slowed down. Kind of embarrassed to admit I've been a hermit ever since and haven't kept in touch so I don't know what happened. At the time we were modifying gen 3 glock 19s and having conversations about injection molding our own frames so I wonder which route the team took and if that plus 2020 is what made things unsustainable.

Thanks for that info. It's really interesting.

9K Any design ideas you'd like to share?

I own a full conceal p80. it's a great design and is a conversation starter at the range. people that have seen mine ask about how and where I got it. I've got about 2k rounds or more on the frame. I switch uppers and shoot 9mm and 40 s&w. it's held up and works perfectly. good job 👏

@@M2rsh it might seem crazy what im botta say

I wouldn't?

@@yochan4293 Sunshine she's here, you can take a break

You wouldn't print a gun

Sure would

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Why would you need 20 round gun Fr why? Unless you in the army

@@mesiroy1234 This is a stupid question. "Why would you take the better option for protecting yourself?" oh idk, maybe because its better to be safe than sorry?

​@@mesiroy1234 To increase my chances of survival

​@mesiroy1234 Why not? Since you haven't noticed already, everything in the world you own having more or less of those items is considered either good or bad. When it comes to this item having more is considered better. I shouldn't really have to explain this but you anti guns nuts are kinda slow

Probably only a few weeks/months for a real one to be printed.

well, that depends on the ability to actually stay assembled while firing, as we all know more moving parts means more failure points

@@flamingsteve5883 UV resin printing solves a lot of those problems

I shouldn’t even say this but my 19x lower took 2 ish days

@@392swim yeah we gotta shut our mouths i love talking about shit like this but i know i shouldn't lol Pssssst. mine took 4 days

IKR? 😂

I've been "on the list" for years 😅

I subbed to the channel - that gets you on the premium watch list!

If you aren't on a list by now you doing something wrong

The ATF stands for "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms", not "Autism, Techbros and Fundamentally Delusional". None of you are on a watchlist for seeing a clickbait video in which a man 3D printed a sub-par plastic shell for all the weapon parts he ordered off the internet from actual gunsmiths (now, he might be on a watchlist for buying those gunsmith-made parts). Karen from Whiteville is on the list, however, for buying the lead pipe for her kitchen sink and the nails to repair that porch mosquito net frame. The wine mom is accidentally more of a subversive renegade that y'all will ever be.

Blood for the blood god! It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Same, just freaking random cuts that I don't know when and how, and always on my freaking left index finger! Like 10 cuts on it and nowhere else!

@@sillyguy5603 yeah I've gotten cuts on my fingers where I've never gotten cut before and boy does that**** hurt, like on the side of your finger where your nail starts

I remember that from noxanore

Oof, post production work

cool idea

Probably not possible with off the shelf gearboxes

I was thinking the same thing. Once the files are available, that is what I plan to do. I think it can be done but I have not touched an air soft gun in years, so can't say for sure. But I definitely plan to try.

​@@darkalleywaystudio3975Awesome, hope you manage to get it done. Subscribed!

@@athmaid Gearbox? It's a pistol bruh, co2 or greengas

While it's a toy, I believe he plans on making it a real thing and 3D printing gun parts to make a functional firearm. Regardless of whether it starts as a toy, as long as it has the basic mechanisms of chambering like a real firearm, it can be classified as a ghost gun. Ghost guns are typically defined as firearms that are assembled from parts or kits and lack serial numbers, making them untraceable.

​@@OfficiKØRNaw man thats sick, its like a custom jig or something. totally badass

@@account-pi3nj It's very cool! Fun Fact: The first working 3D Printed firearm is, "The Liberator." A single-shot weapon, and the very first ghost gun. At first, they were allowed and its plans were available everywhere before the government forbid it and deemed it unsafe due to the reason of not being able to trace anything back.

I’d like to go into it but I’m still learning the basic stuff

I love the engineering behind firearms and I am fascinated with how all the little mechanical parts interact. The german law however is very strict and basically anything barely resembling an actual gun is illegal. There also has been a case, where a lipstick was classified as "a gun" in a court case, since the victim was made to believe it was the end of the barrel of a loaded gun.

Two G19’s and a AR for me

Lol u dnt know reverse psychology when h hear it huh

Fax. only the body should be printed. the Mag and slide and internal pieces should be real.

@@theender6449 as he said. "this is how I can show this on youtube" AFAIK there is a version that is meant for part kits but he won't show that on youtube for obvious reasons with youtube cracking down harder again

I feel like this would break on the body

As long as you print it right you'll be fine printing the lower. The upper contains all of the pressure from the explosion so as long as that's metal you're good.

@@christopherdixon4472 no handle is being held togather by that flimsy switch, thats gonne break first shot

magpul fpg, has a folding glock in it.

I think ghost gun is a good name for it if there was no metal involved, that way you can take them through metal detectors!

@@Vaznazza either you are joking or you dont know what you are talking about, ghost guns usually are just printed lowers, not the uppers. the barrel wouldnt survive and there are alot of finely machined parts that you need for the firearm to work

@TwistedEngineering I get that, but I'm just saying it would truly be a ghost gun if there were no metal parts involved. Obviously not possible currently as far as I know but with further technological advancements who knows that may someday become a reality. I was thinking maybe a super-hard ceramic would do the trick for the upper parts but I don't know how you would replace metal springs.

The Real Ghost gun is Totally 3D printed. Came out a decade ago or more.

@@Vaznazza well with some polymer based materials some engine builders are working on, it would actually be possible to make a all plastic firearm, it would just be incredibly expensive and would still probably break

30 rmd magazines are standard capacity in rifles. 17 rnd mags have been coming standard in Glocks since the '80s. Everybody knows that. I definitely misspok in the video. Their stupid agenda got into my brain and rotted my thinking. Next thing we know they're going to replace the name of the color brown and start calling it "diversity."

This is a fantastic point. You've educated me today. Thank you! I will endeavor to put a Small piece of geometry in the handle that will prevent the trigger from moving rearward in a drop scenario when it is in the folded position.

@@DesignPrototypeTest Hey, a second pair of eyes and ears rarely hurts! I'd be more worried about the toy being open though. Locking the trigger nub when closed is a good idea too, but considering the most likely drop scenario is either fully open or mid opening, where the extra weight of the actual "trigger" is at play, that would be my main concern. You just don't want to have enough mass to overcome the sear through inertia when dropped, and that's what the blade safety stops. So perhaps trying to both lock it in place when closed, and also have a Smith & Wesson style hinged trigger system since it folds anyway? Maybe you could have the trigger and nub permanently connected through a pivot somehow (if that doesn't violate any patents) so that the top of the trigger acts as a physical block against the frame when folded, and when deployed still requires a small hinge motion to overcome a small shelf that would stop the trigger otherwise that way? Because the way the safety works is by both a) having a much lower mass than the rest of the trigger and transfer bar, which means it takes a LOT more of a sudden impact to move, and b) moving on a different axis to the rest of the trigger, so that a straight back jolt won't overcome it anyway. If you look at the trigger on both the S&W Sigma/SW9 and the M&P 1.0, you'll see what I'm talking about. And maybe you could incorporate a forward hinge in as well, with the pivot closer to the top of the trigger, and an ear on either side to fold back and impinge on the frame when folded. (Obligatory "I'm no engineer, just a rando on Al's Internet")

defiantly or definitely? xD

Finally living up to the channel name. :)

If they can even afford a printer 💀💀💀 7:10

@@Met4Master printer are relatively cheap in the grand scheme of things

@@yochan4293 OK but realistically what parent is going to try to buy the child a 3-D printer, cheapest one I saw was $100 but you get what you pay for (no hate just a question)

​@@Met4Master Well I mean a PS5 is $500, has no inherient benefits for the kid (asides from an entertainment and maybe a social value depending on the way you look at it) but I am sure many kids own one (or a simular item), while for $250 for a pretty decent quality printer (ender 3 v3 ke is $239 pretax right now on their crealities store, you can look it up, its actually pretty good), and $120 you can buy 10kg of PLA filament ($110 pretax is the listed price for elegoo black PLA filament right now), so I suppose its pretty well in line with reality that kids could receive a printer, especially considering the inherent benefits of a kid owning one

@@Met4Master there are a ton of parents who would be THRILLED if their kid wanted a 3d printer rather than like, an Xbox.

No comment.

@@DesignPrototypeTest KZfaq is pretty awful about things despite not actually having any real understanding of those things.

designed as a toy, DESIGNED as a toy. you can put a nail in a nerf dart and make the spring stronger and it will be useful as a weapon, so...

Because it was DESIGNED as a toy. You need to put 2 and 2 together yourself if you want anything else

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You are right. I made a big mistake. G17 has had 17 round magazines since the '80s. Absolutely standard. Stupid narrative games and I fell for their ploy.

This screams like a glowy mistake...

It's not a mistake if some of your audience is in one of the round limited states.

What glock do you know that comes standard with a 22 round mag?

​@DesignPrototypeTest we all fall victim to their manipulative double-speak from time to time. They control the language, they control the narrative.

I've been curating my channel. There's no sense keeping stuff around that isn't going to be evergreen content. It's just a liability.

😁

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I don't think I will make a Glock 19 version. With the G17 you get a full length handle and it lines up perfectly when folded. A G19 is 3/4" shorter in the slide. Therefore, the handle will need to be 3/4" shorter as well. Thus chopping off about half of the pinky finger portion of the grip. It would be very awkward to hold with your pinky half on the grip. A G26 or G43 is even more compact (concealable) with shorter slides than a G19. The length of these is such that a folding version would have the handle missing the entire pinky finger portion of the grip. The pinky would come to rest on the magazine which is far less awkward.

Your foregone conclusion is that draw time is the number one consideration. It's hard to draw a weapon that you aren't carrying. Think of all the women who wear tight clothes and will not appendix carry, but they would put this in their bag.

@@DesignPrototypeTest you have a very good point, either way, I'm very impressed with your design

Thanks man. I hope you have great day!

Right back at you man. You've got real talent. I wish you all the success. On another note, I must confess to a slight disingenuousness to my narrative for these last 6 years. I always suspected the people that you describe of being exactly as you say. Just like you, I'm uninterested in being part of their group. But I never wanted to say that or insult them. Which is something they cannot say about me. They've gone out of their way to hurt me. They don't deserve to have group cohesion with how nasty and unlikable they are. I also don't think it's right that they can project through KZfaq videos an image of upstanding coolness. It's a lie. Most of them aren't even very talented in the realm of making. All they are is a popularity cabal. I think it might be a personality (defect?) of mine that I can't just let a situation like this exist without pushing back against it. It takes two to tango. I am moving on though. They've all blocked me so I don't hear from them anymore anyway. I hope all is well in your world. Thanks for the comment.

Good point.

There's always a workaround. I went to significant effort to made a toy for a displaying in a KZfaq video. I did not display an actual firearm. They cannot give me a strike for the video. I'm not responsible for what you do with the toy once I release it.

Thank you kindly. I hope you have a wonderful day.

Ivan prints guns. He's way more than just a KZfaqr. He's responsible for about 50% of the FGC9. Also the inventor of the 3011. Megat talent. Super prolific.

@@DesignPrototypeTest I know who Ivan is. just didn't realize it was him. it's been a while since I seen the video.

What do you mean? that is the toy version You can't share 3-D printed guns that aren't toys... That would be illegal🤣

You are welcome. Have a great night!

You got me! You got me good. I read the first half of of your comment waiting for the insult to come. Something about how you thought I needed therapy before because of my criticism of Prusa but especially now because guns are bad. The fact that you ended on a compliment and a positive emoji left me genuinely confused for a few seconds. Have an upvote and a heart. You earned it. :)

Yankee Doodle is an incredibly insulting song about Americans. It is the state song of Connecticut. Before Game of thrones sucked Tyrion Lannister gave John Snow a lecture about embracing and proudly being the pejorative that people will call you. Like those descendants of African slaves in our country who call each other that word that white people aren't allowed to say. The only way to transcend emotionally charged language like "ghost gun" is to make it a joke and apply it to toys. Make the word lose all meaning. Kind of like "Liberal." Which shares a common origin to words which mean freedom. Liberate the slaves. Libertarian. Liberty, etc. and yet somehow liberal is the name we give to people who want to take away the freedom to bear arms. You are correct. There is no such thing as a ghost gun. Which just means that the term can be used to describe anything. I had a hot dog for lunch which didn't have a serial number on it: Ghost Gun.

Tore my cuticle off my fingernail. It didn't feel good but I was mostly nervous laughing. Worried about getting made fun of in the comments. Thank you for the compliment. Have a nice day.