Yeah pretty close! I imagine it will get bigger with more time and development too

@@Strat-Guides hype for 26th can not wait to play the game myself

i hope there will be a historical battles mode , where only pre made battle , no town building , i wonder if they can crank the number up to the scale of battle of Hasting

Seeing its on the UE4 engine, mods will surely arrive for larger armies!

and most definitelyv a very realistic one Most of the battles of the period, even the famous ones, were fought by hundreds, not thousands

Yeah it can be rough. If your timing is bad and you have a shortage of something, it can quickly lead to a death spiral for your whole town. I've had more than 1 town go to 0 population from bad plays :)

That's the classic phyrric victory. Win the battle, but lose the peace.

@@Strat-Guides that's amazing because it really makes the player think twice before going to war since it has real consequences.

@luizarthurbrito yeah wich is why the dev adding something like a "pay us or war" thing would make sense and be pretty good gameplay wise and give the player dilemnas

Thats exactly is the Beauty of this Game. It depends on your strategic mind the fate of your village town castle and your people. Its not only super amazing battles and combats and armies but a complete overhaul of a RTS theme with epic stuff and things to do!! Im looking forward to give a try to that game as well and mostly the Mods that will follow and change completely the themes and assets, like LOTR or Narnia or GOT universe and lots more!!!!!

something I noticed as I read more historical documents and primary documents and analyses on medieval warfare was the importance of drilling and morale, because the main problem was that half of your soldiers would instantly flake (and this is a logical conclusion given that using a fyrd type recruitment system only half are professional soldiers)

Tho alot of the battle sizes was really huge in diffrence between the years, big battles could sometimes be 1,000 men vs 2,5000 men, when maybe later it could be around 10,000 vs 10,000 but that would be country' level of battles not villages, or regions. so yes.

Yeah crusader kings 3 does this well for example if your the byzantine empire you can probably get a big army of maybe 30k and about 5k very decked out troops (men at arms) but If your a small duchy or a county at most you'll have maybe 500 max 2k with allies

@@user-zt9vm2ct9wCK3 however treats militias as trash while this wasn’t really the case. In the HRE, the citizens and peasants were better equipped as times goes on and documents survived it seems. I wouldn’t want to fight an army of crossbow man and spears/pike 😂

@xSoulhunterDKx yeah but you don't have to have militas if your stable and have good men at arms just use them you don't need to use levies

back in the day you could hire mercs and clans would join you fight as well, so this number of combatants is not far off

@@heoar12 so much power and many feudal faction back then no wonder kings assembling a huge army is hard than ancient time

Especially all those decked-out knights

Battle of Dalrigh is a good example of a rl battle of almost the same scale

@@BobyChanMan for real those equipment is insanely expensive for a local lord to afford but realisticly enough they have no calvary because those things are more expensive its better to focus in infantry

I’d vote to see that kind of feature

Yeah I love that part!

yet they barely do any damage.

@@reposter6434 still an early alpha version of the game. I assume it will be tweaked later on

The arrows must be made of clay or something. Imagine getting hit with several arrows and not collapsing immediately.

@@reposter6434 well like it was. Archers didnt do that damage as you might think

I hate to be that guy, but historically speaking, when two lords fought each other a lot would need to go wrong before they would engage in open battle like this. Battles were too dangerous to risk unless you had the overwhelming force on your side. Normally one side would just retreat/ refuse battle and go back home/ wait it out behind some nice walls. Even between larger political entities such as Kingdoms, etc. open battles weren't all that common. But for the game it's of cause fine!

I mean, what lords? This battle is way too big for some guy who owns a few villages like you do in Manor Lords.

Imagine one day you have a big city with walls, towers and on the other hand archers, knights, catapults and trebuchets :)

@@markushuber214 Imagine the other side has a few cannons. Historically accurate.

@@hafor2846 The time of gun powder came later

Lol yeah it's odd not seeing cav. They are adding them at a later date though :)

Also, what about guns? In which year does it play?

@@tilmanrotationalinvariant2257guns come way later

@@wagwan2 Nah, there were handheld guns but they were mostly used in sieges as they took too long to reload.

​@@tilmanrotationalinvariant2257 Guns where actually existing, but the first time we record them used in a battle was in France in 1346. And the game is like in the late 14th century. That technically possible to see one, but it wouldn't be realistic as it took again a lot of time to make it useful !

Source?

@ClintonCouldHaveWarnedUs The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, every historian alive at the time, and the general decentralization Europe went through after Rome collapsed. Weapons and armor were expensive, not helped by the sudden regression many faced in metallurgy, most just could afford and feed a large army.

@@ClintonCouldHaveWarnedUsif he’s talking about the 500s then yea the source is: mass starvation, sickness, wars, economical crisis, enormous rise in criminality…

Yeah I've studied lots of history even with big empires like the byzantine or seljik it's rare to see there army's exceed 100k and the byzantine empire is Greece Turkey and at some points in history a bit of Arabia and Italy

Yes, this is the war between Lords/barons, not a war between nations to have such a scale as Total War. In such wars, the kings would call upon their many lords to form their armies.

Yeah it was very smooth! I started to lag with about 2000 population, but everything before that was fine

Oddly, I started lagging a ton with 800ish population (first play through). Second one, no lag at 1250 population and counting. The only real difference between save 1 and 2 was that I had the tutorial stuff enabled for the 800ish population town.

i started to lag at 500 but one thing that make it lag a lot when ur buildings get on fire it lag so much

Yeah smaller scale for sure. You can have 1 Retinue per region that you own and because I had conquered everything, I had the max at that point :)

@@Strat-Guides I wonder if they will have maps with more regions after the game leaves Early Access. There are clearly more maps that aren't being revealed in Early Access. So maybe then with those maps, it will be possible to deploy all Retinue.

Thanks! I think I can push the numbers up just a little bit more if I time it right with the mercenaries, but just using my own units - this is the absolute max as far as the early access we have is concerned :) I also pushed the game to it's limits in terms of town size and I'll be making a video on that soon.

Can't wait for that video too!❤

@@Strat-Guides What worries me is that you have maxed out town size and army size in such a short period of time. What now, start again?

Napoleon Mod incoming

@@mjohnsimon1337 probably a viking one first tho

@@vertsang5424 I can’t wait for the Rome mods! Lol

Yes cavalry will be added

Hastings is the wrong era though. Hastings happened a few hundred years before the time period of Manor lords

Hastings happend in 1066, manor lords is set somewhere between 1380 and 1410, the gear is completely different from what they had back at hastings, it would be like having the battle of waterloo and then randomly putting a squad of marines with m16s and rocket launchers in there.

@@agidotexe7167 That could be fixed with mods

Usually always better to win your flanks then collapse everything on the centre which is what he did. Otherwise he would have been flanked on both sides

You make fair points here! Thanks for the input

Finally someone is thinking with some classical German ways of war. The AI seem always seem to be disjointed when first marching to the battlefield which looks exploitable if a player immediately commits their battle line

@@chrisrace744 yes, I agree the you never want your flanks to collapse and that’s a worst case scenario. He had a distinct advantage in numbers so keeping his army together would actually play to his advantage rather than an opposing force. The tactic I mentioned isn’t true in every scenario and the size of the enemy force versus your own is a major determinant in that. The reason he was still able to do well by separating his forces is that he has a good grasp on unit to unit strengths and had overall superior numbers. If you have a smaller force, separating your army without a specific plan in place that plays to environment or other factors can be very disastrous

Hey look, Henry's come to see us!

I'm quite hungry

I've been making a TON of save files to recreate exactly that lol

A normal total war game has almost 4000 units per side. I remember Shogun 2 I had a battle that involved 15K units total from both sides

​@@JABelms ye I got the maths wrong forgot it was 20 unit tokens not 10 still though that battles here look a lot more fun than most of what TW has been putting out lately if it's a bit plane and the militia mechanic means that doomstacks aren't really that big an issue

He could make DLC skins for almost any culture.

@@yurisc4633 yep my exact thoughts. It would make sense as the Vikings but more so on the offensive side (if you choose), to attack and pillage neighboring towns 😁

This game plays almost 500 years after any of that Viking stuff. And it's in Central Germany. And it's very historically correct. So there wont be any Viking stuff.

@@hafor2846 ahh yes. That would be true. Well hopefully another similar game can pick up the theme one day.

@@hafor2846 Modders will find a solution

I wouldn't mind :D I'm going to be making several guides for this game (working on one now actually) so we'll see how it goes

Yeah but before you say that wait for future updates as there adding calvary walls and probably more troops so that is what would be better than total war + its more realistic aswell

Archer duels look so good in this game!

True, that's a good point! RimWorld medieval mod looks amazing as well :)

Forrreal , even the Viking great heathen army was 5-6000 men , and that was task for them to muster .

@@xenomorph3161 There is no real accurate estimate on how big the Heathen army actually was as some sources claim only 1,000 Men but 1,000 Men couldn't hold all of Northumbria so it is likely to be around 3-4,000 and that would have been bolstered by the summer army of another 1,000 Men. The great thing about the viking raids/Invasion of England is that it wasn't as difficult for them to maintain the army with food etc because they literally conquered the land they invaded and the locals just said "Fuck it he's in charge now" and another thing that I loved reading about is that the English/Saxon women loved the Norsemen because they actually treated women with respect and kept themselves clean.. Apparently all you need to do is bathe to get a woman into bed ;)

I saw Sseth make a video on that game recently - I still need to watch his video on it :)

@@Strat-Guides it's a truly hidden gem

same thought :))

Lol yeah I was too far away. They actually do a TON of damage up close

yeah archers seem very underwhelming

@@Strat-Guides They're no Fian Champions...

Lol reminds me of Will Ferrell in wedding crashers - MOM where's the meatloaf!?

Yeah he seems like a really cool guy! He even answered one of the questions I asked to his admin.

The bows assumabku ate the strongest or the best and gambisson would probably be good enough at stopping an arrow that is at max range at least cushinging it's impact. Also you would just fie instantly upon being hit unless it's like in the head or heart, they are probably quite hurt but not instantly dead.

From the max distance, arrows aren't that effective unless the enemy is completely unarmored. But once you get into close range, a single volley could kill 5 - 10 people! It's pretty strong, but needs a lot of micro

Yeah if you had a town there or started one, the first think you would need to do is clear the bodies. I've lost outpost towns because I forgot to clear the bodies and all the families moved out lol. You don't collect loot though, just bodies

It's because at max range, arrows do very little damage. At medium to close range, they can kill 5 - 10 people per volley against light armor

@@Strat-Guides Eggcellent. This game is all the rage.

A lot of that has to do with the range - in this game the distance you shoot from makes an exponential difference, so from up close a single volley can kill 10 or more. The mercenary battle video I just posted shows the up close archers effectiveness I bit better :)

Lol not quite, but that would be the dream scenario wouldn't it

I'm working on some battle testing this week! I've got several save files right before big battles to use

@@Strat-Guides Noice. Bell icon on haha

That could be perfect for those bandit mercenary units you can hire

Thanks!

So it's a tricky thing - militia and retinue count towards the same 6-unit cap. The only difference is building a manor house spits retinue out regardless of what your unit cap is. So if you want max army size, DONT make manor houses until you have all 6 militia units out. Otherwise, you'll be capping yourself at a lower amount. I hope that makes sense! I'm making a big guide covering everything in the game soon and this will be a topic covered.

@@Strat-Guides Thank you, that is good to know.

I don't think so - it drives me nuts too lol And they move around sometimes when you disband them, so it won't be the same each time!

@@Strat-Guides Sad to hear that, even if its not a top priority i hope they add this someday !

This was archers at max distance. If you get them a little closer, it's a huge difference in damage.

Wondering the same thing

No, they don't drop any loot :( Even worse, if they die on your property, you'll have to bury everyone ASAP or your peasants will leave your town lol

@Strat-Guides thanks for the answer. I think modders will add that easily though. May be even the developper himself given how much passion he s put into this and it s only logical. A percentage of the equipment to upgrade your own troops and a percentage to recycle or sell.

@@nawarnawarendodontics Modding support won't be in for a while.

I own all the regions on the map, but that specific one that's showing at the top is only the starter 5 families and the manor house, nothing else. I've got 4 big towns of 300+ population each.

Yes you can customize the banners

You can customize your starting Banner, but I don't think you can change each unit's individual banners to be different.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, but I couldn't disband my spears because I had already started recruiting retinue and I would have been over the cap and not be able to switch them to archers.

Nope, no looting corpses that I'm aware of

There is a way to get 6 militia and 8 retinue once you own the whole map! I'll be making a guide covering this soon :)

@@Strat-Guides thank you for the reply! This game is something I was waiting for my whole life !!!!

Maybe 10 crashes in about 110 hours so not bad for early access. Pretty much above 100 frames no matter what I do with one exception - if you grow too big it will begin to slow down and get choppy. This happens around 800-1000 population which is a massive town lol

I don't think combat is as complex as TW, but considering the rest of the game you get with it, it's not a bad deal!

@@Strat-Guides Oh yeah, im getting it for sure when it comes out here soon. Ive just been confused at the constant comparisons from people, calling it the total war killer and making it out to be some kind of proof that CA are a bad developer, when they're 2 completely different games in different genres.

@@MegaNever2010 Lethal amounts of hopium and copium by people who overhype the game and want it to be the perfect city builder AND perfect RTS. Ignoring that the game is early access has a certain scope in mind (city building being the primary focus, and combat is a threat/challenge to your city, as oppossed to the main attraction of the game).

Lol they go hard in China for sure

They are adding that in the future! I can't wait to see how they work - the combat in this game is actually a lot of fun.

I'm not sure - I know being in the woods gives a slight morale debuff so maybe that helped them flee early?