Good video man! I have the 2017 Beta 300 RR Race Edition and the suspension is amazing. It's great for fast stuff and also the slow technical. The open cartridge on the Beta you're riding is softer from what I hear. Good video and fun bikes to get to compare back to back.

Best video yet guys. I ride in the Northeast and like Sam said, "it's a f*ckin good bike" for the terrain we have here. Very good points and observations made on both bikes, especially the Beta. I loved your reaction to the Beta after it pulled 3rd gear up that hill climb. That's what I'm talking about, that's what we like to see. The motor really is a beast. Mild to wild with a 5mm Allen Key. Glad you finally mentioned the grab handles as well, I was waiting for that.

I own the 2017 300rr Race Edition. I also own a 2016 Husky te300 & 2016 ktm 250xcw. The 300rr Race Edition is by far my favorite bike.

the onboard tool kit and push button seat removal on the beta is worth mentioning Kyle, and the other thing about the beta is the BYOB feature (build your own bike) allows you to add lots of options at a discount straight from the factory including a kickstart. a bike without a kickstart had zero place in my garage.

WE NEED THE KICK STARTERS BACK

I agree that it is plain stupid no to have a kick starter on a enduro bike.

Beta lets you buy the kick start as an option. As a desert salt, I thought for sure I'd need it when I bought my Beta, but the dealer told me to hold off as they hadn't seen issues. He could have made a quick coin off me. 2.5 years later, I've never even come close to needing it, and just never bought the kit. I've never used a battery tender, and am still on the first battery. I think it's smart they give the rider the option. Easy enough to buy and install if someone wants it that bad. You're spot on with the power valve,, totally changes the bike.

Great review, this might be bias since I am a Beta rider, but you are comparing closed chamber KYB to OPEN chamber Sach forks, KYB is superior. I have a Beta race ed as well as the RR and believe the race ED sach closed chamber forks fix the front end and high speed issues. Making the race ED much more comparable to the Sherco Factory ED.

excellent point about the kick start. i have a 4 stroke kawasaki dual sport. no kick start. it beats me why. i have had battery issues in the past and on one long road trip (i was 300kms away) the battery died and wouldnt charge. so my only option was to bump start every time or make sure im on the top of a downhill... it worked, but sucked. and i had to be super careful i didnt get stuck in some muddy flat section where i wouldnt be able to push it. another trip with some friends on honda crf250's ... no kick start. one guy battery died on day 2 of a 4 day trip. we had 4 guys so we took turns push starting him... pain on the ass. all manufacturers (2 and 4 stroke) ... listen to this comment and what kyle has to say and put the bloody kick starts back on ALL your offroad and dual sport bikes!!! please :)

I was wondering what your thoughts are the beta 300 xtrainer or if you could do a review on them.

I was considering a XC 300 or XCW 300 but am now looking into the Beta or Sherco. Would you recommend the SE or SC 300 to be most comparable to the XC/XCW? From looking at Shercos site I thought the SC would be more of a tight trail bike as opposed to the SE

This was the best review yet. More Sam, he has a lot of good things to say

I think that Beta would be great for McNutt. Then again, my xc-w is good there too. Thanks for doing these reviews. Really appreciate it

Why did you take a screenshot of the video on KZfaq it make a thumbnail. You can see the time bar

I will take the Beta off your hands. I am 58 and my last bike was a 2001 KX 250. and love the low seat height and power of a 300 must be awesome compared to the KX.

You talked early on the video, that you can adjust the power of the bike? I'm kinda noob to mechanical stuff so I was wondering if I could adjust the power of my beta rr 400? (4-stroke)

Another great video, congratulations!!

Cars have an alternator that charges the battery. So the argument of the hand crank removal doesn't mean anything unless they added an alternator to charge the battery as you ride.

I tried both and I'm 5'10 175 and the beta just seemed to fit me better even on the faster trails

You know there is a mapping switch on the sherco too ? And 2 gear on the sherco is like 3.5 on the Beta. Noticeable longer gears on the sherco from 1-3. And what bike brakes most power 2018 ? Yes, the sherco 300 se-r ;)

Thanks guys, good video, good info on both bikes.

Tm 300 enduro fuel injection 2019 try that

You should really do some reviews with the GasGas bikes, that would be awesome to see!

Keep a strap in your pouch. If your battery is dead, prop it up, wrap strap around rear tire and pull.... or have two people spin the wheel by hand. There is many ways to start a bike without a kickstarter and many videos showing you how to do so.

I don’t need a kickstart on my 390 RR. I have fixed a battery booster under the left rear side panel as a permanent backup. No problems so far (never needed it) but feel much safer.

Glad to see there is a choice of good bikes out there today! But we all know there all chasing ktm! Ready to race no question!!

The crf 250x was the best bike in this video. Haha has a kick and Electric start and can be roadworthy but also still good for the trails! Haha good vid guys

have you done a timed run on the razorback? that should be a standard test you do before you get rid of a bike, always liked seeing the differences in the timed runs

i ordered a wr450 gp edition today over the normal wr450 because it still has the kick start

i have a new to me 2017 Sherco 300 se and I gotta say its a damn good bike.

Not one thing is mentioned in this thread about the lost time in a tough enduro from not having a kickstart. And my age and lack of flexibility makes it that much more important. With estart you can be on your way within a second if you kill it. On off camber, bad footing sections it becomes even more critical. Sometimes these things can easily knock out minutes getting it started again.

Kyle the Sherco comes with a 14 tooth cs sprocket. I sent you a 13 tooth cs when I sent you the bike. If you would just put that sprocket on the Sherco I think you would be surprised.

Rr300 races would be interesting what you think about it

I dont really like the 300 2 strokes i like the 250s but i prefer beta its smoother and in my opinion its like a refined ktm and i love the power valve adjustment on there

Might be time to make a set of 'jumper cables' for bikes just as an option. Maybe you drowned it in a creek and battery dies before it restarts and no option to bump start in those situations. A piece of rope is also handy even though not always practical.

I love electric start but I'm not going off into nowhere with no mechanical / back up way to start a bike , Beta or KTM. Betas are very nice , especially considering how long they've been making a full size Enduro line ...which isn't long compared to KTM . KTM has succeeded beyond belief ...they were bankrupt in 1997 and basically an obscure euro brand . I love how they have rebounded , it's a cool business story , and they deserve to be where they are today .

kickstart is an option on the 2018 betas you can choose yes or no

Not sure why your test Sherco has odd wiring, all Shercos in Australia since 2016 have auto shut off electrics that turn off the system about 5 sec after the engine is stopped via the kill button. You only have a starter button and headlamp on/off switch and kill button on the bars. (unless the full road riding kit is installed, then you get indicators and horn block added) Something to take up with Clay. 👍 As for kick starters, please don't speak for the rest of us modern people, we don't want or miss them.

don't forget folks , it will cost you..but I believe Beta offers a kickstart kit . but yeah..on a offroad enduro bike..it would be nice to have the added insurance of a kicker...stock...not an add on..

One year on my kx500 i was on a trail system and passed these 4 stroke guys full tilt. I had an incredible pace going. I'm freaking waiting on my buddy and shut the bike off. He shows up and i'm like why so long. Kick starter broke in half. 4 stroke guys show up. Guy says " oh not so fast now huh". I'm like " hey you going to bump me or not" He knew i was mad.He also knew i saw his tow rope wrapped around his bars. He couldn't couldn't believe how much speed it took to get that thing to bump. Can't even imagine worrying about a freaking battery all day. My drz used to die on me all the time.

Great review!

My 125 Sherco, I left my power switch on for 4 days and it didn’t go flat

You were flying up that hill in 3rd!

GasGas is like the only manufacturer still putting kick starters on everything

Hey Kyle what's happening man, hey this may be a stupid question and maybe you've already covered this but does the Beta and or Sherco come with a tool kit like the KTM? idk, I just think that's kinda cool... I've had to work on my bike in the woods before and a tool kit is kinda cool...

I have seen both bike I like both but prefer the sherco

Prob go Sherco since I ride desert usually. Anyone else hate how KTM has too many options? I know its a good.thing but it makes it harder to pull the trigger when I'm unsure if I want an Sx or an exc or xc or xc-w. I feel like the exc with a plate would be the most versatile of them all and could prob handle the vet track if needed.

When you mention a couple extra lbs not being a big deal, I had a thought. Would it make sense to carry an extra battery? I hadn't considered it before, but maybe it makes sense?

Very simply on the Sherco; cut the headlight switch off and short the two wires together. When you turn on the power switch the headlight/tail light will be on. Doing this has eliminated any chance of leaving the power on and running the batter down for me.

Hi Kyle. Your video are always the best and I enjoy them a lot. Anyway I just sold my Beta 300 RR and I have bought a Sherco 300 se-r. When I first ride the Sherco I noticed a lack of power compare to the Beta but straightaway I realised that Sherco comes with 14/49 sprockets vs Beta with 13/52. So I think in this video when you climb the hill in third gear with the Beta it's just because of the sprockets, you couldn't do it with the Sherco because the 14/49. I personally changed the Sherco and I went with 13/52 and I can tell you it is now a fire breathing dragon. Cheers

makes me want a sherco for the exact reason it's not orange .

I doubt any average rider will notice any real deference with either bike. With that said, I would choose the beta and have been looking to get one. I don't care about the fast whoops and desert riding so its and easy choice for me.

The Sherco has a handlebar mounted map switch which gives you two power modes.

if you want a more agressive suspension just go for the racing edition beta you get that sweet motor and a really nice suspension. Great video.

Counter argument on your kick start rant. I carry a lithium jump starter, lighter than the kick starter.

If your battery is dead, you can't kickstart a fuel injected bike. Even the two strokes are going FI. The two pounds is better spent on the electrical system and one of those little jump starters.

I agree this is OFFROAD bikes, the kickstarter is not an option it s a must.

give us theRider's black for 2018 which in your opinion is the best Enduro bike for 2018 give us a ranking based on different categories .

Great video

If the battery is dead you won't be able to kick start the bike anyway - you need power to power up the EFI. You'll need to carry either a jump start cable or a tow rope. The price of progress; and progress doesn't suffer fools, the lazy or the forgetful.

Totally agree everyone should KEEP the kickstart Honda got rid of them off there 2018 450s.

I'm strongly considering selling my KTM to get the Beta.

Which engine lupercats better 2 or 4 strokes

Sherco all the way 👌

Tm is 300 a hole new level

A kickstarter is part of the two stroke ritual🦴🏕🌤🍁💕💕

Is bump starting that bad?

Sherco all the way !!!

Im sure there both good bikes I'll just stick with my HUSQVARNA which is practically KTM

If you dont want to watch the whole video,in the end he picked the ktm the cameraman was riding.

Keep the bloody kick starter on off road bikes please.

Get back the Yamaha 250 you need it

I won’t a beta so much

So, if you don't want to get a KTM, buy a KTM tuned differently with a different name.

Don't rule out the Beta Xtrainer 300 if you only do single track and have a 31" inseam or less. Definitely a trail weapon.

Too bad they put a sign up and blocked that hill now.

One other thought...... I hear the complaint of no ks back up quite often and I get it because I live in the US. The Europeans don't understand going 50 miles off road because they can't. They don't have the land that we have and the Australians have. Again I get it but I also hear contradictions from customers on this issue. How? I hear quite often that I don't want to go offroad on a bike with no back up ks but that same customer will say he's looking forward to buying an injected orange bike. Huh? Batteries very, very seldom just stop working. They give you signs that they're going bad. All of the Shercos have the strongest charging system in the industry. 220 watts. That charging system will charge a good battery very quickly. So if you leave the truck with a battery that you know is going bad and you did not replace it then that was dumb and you just learned a lesson. But what about injected parts? They don't give any sign that they are going bad like a battery. They just quit. So you're not ok with going 50 miles off road on a bike with no back up kick starter but you are ok with going off road with a bike with twice the number of electrical parts that can completely stop working? I'd rather take my chances with a battery only bike that an injected bike if I were going to in a place that I couldn't bump start my bike. I have a dealer in NM that does a big loop with his buddies and he worries that if they drown a bike out in a stream that they may kill the battery trying to get a bike started so he carries a little charger he found that is not much bigger than a cell phone and it will charge a bike battery 20 times or some crazy number like that. He even started his truck with it once. Just food for thought....

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i will go with the Honda crf 250x all day.

Please get over the kick start thing...……. sick of hearing it...…. I want less weight so NO kick start is a plus for me and many others!!!!!!!!!