I like the balance between the rogue hero specs. All of them being turbo-trash in D(umpster), not so much.

3 Things I do like about your TWW videos; 1- You play all the classes on a good level, not like some other youtubers just copy pasting from other videos. Thus = proper content / feedback. 2- No " beta dps tier list " bullshit for click baits. 3- Honest opinions with constructive feedback.

Quick note on spellslinger mage: the frost/arcane splinters are basically just icicles. I think it would be cool if they turned them into little arcane or mana wyrms (think of the mini mana dragon from the TBC trailer that the blood elf mage drained the power out of - epic moment). Or you could summon a single larger mana wyrm kind of like the sun fury phoenix, and it could shoot out the splinters and then go explode on a target during splinterstorm. Maybe have them spawn less frequently but do more damage to avoid visual clutter.

Love the video. Far and away the best comprehensive video of hero talents on KZfaq. Really enjoyed listening to your rationales and honesty for each one. Can really tell you've actually played the majority of these and have an understanding of how each spec is supposed to play & perform. 👍

Lol the demons coming on your back

Sunfury feels SO forsenBased. Seeing those 4 meteors come down and once and having your phoenix do arcane and fire things while you are doing your rotation is so satisfying.

God damn, it's a long time since i felt there was so many fun/hype builds/specs to play in wow!

Why do everyone take another opinion on a spec if you have not play it yourself

Rider of the Apoc is the toy store. Deathbringer is the hardware store. I'm actually gonna play Breath in TWW. You can do an auto attack/Rime build with it where you turn your brain off when you're not doing Breath, Rime procs are gonna be carrying. Just need to decide if I'm gonna actually spec into Death and Decay, have to give up a lot just to cleave with Oblit.

Voidweaver is one if the few talent trees that actually change your rotation and that is so sick. It is a contender for my main but it will most likely be warlock or mage as they have 3 dps specs.

Just the fact that we get an instant cast Immolate makes Hellcaller A tier for me.

As a rogue main, this video hurt my soul so much. I really don't want to have to reroll but it was hard enough pugging to 3k M+ this season. It's gonna be even worse in TWW.

I liked the takes man, I like you you evaluated theme, visuals and gameplay together. Balanced take. Hope they keep working on the boring ones.

Pretty good tier list. LForward to healer/tank hero talent tier list. If you will make one.

I started playing Warlock in S4 just to be geared for leveling because I am going to be playing Diabolist for the forseeable future

Need them to fix Elune’s Chosen. As it stands now I rather main my evoker than touch my Druid

I know hunters heros aren't great but barbed shot proc isn't bad at all with master handler. Helps keep up time on kill command

This vid has gameplay of hunter pre rework. So idk if this tier list is valid much. Doesnt matter much I suppose. I also disagree with trickster rogue and wildstalker druid. It is definitely the best out of the three hero talents. The unseen blades are a cool bit of damage with a clear animation. Specifically as Subtly I enjoy getting a coup de grace proc. I think out of burst windows the coup de grace gcd long cast doesnt matter much, because you still have some time to get combo points for another finisher anyway. Wildstalker is a perfect mix of resto and bleeds. Cat form damage with dots is fun to play around with, and the animation for the vines looks cool. I like seeing vines on all my aoe targets from the other dots i have.

with hitting the acceptance stage of necromancers being their own class, after finishing what i wanted to do in dragonflight season 3 i started maining unholy dk i cannot wait to make my enemies cower before the four horsemen, i even redid the legion campaign despite already finishing it years ago on a different dk

And there be the hunter "hero" trees... at the bottom. Thanks for the breakdown... not as though I wasn't expecting it!

Survival Hunter main here. Sentinel has the cool visual and the damage procs are noticeable when they start exploding. Pack Leader, on the other hand, is incredibly boring. I don't have an issue with the passive damage procs, but they need some sort of visual to distinguish them from just normal attacks.

Personaly i was hoping for big overhaul of most specs. Since we are still playing more or less legion builds. I think many specs are fine, for example windwalker is always fun thanks to his mastery. What ww needs most is visual update, including childish and nonsense pandaren icons(tiger palm for example) while ww can be played by every single race so it doesnt make sense. Thought hero talents could serve as "skin" and some added theme. So yeah iam not very excited about hero talents.

It'd be nice if Dark Ranger made your character a beastmancer/necromancer of sorts. In WC3 Black Arrow would summon a dark minion (skeleton) if the target died infected with it. Imagine how cool it would be in dungeons, getting 5 or 6 skeletons and dark/undead beasts to attack your target. Would also be nice if you could proc ravens, bats or whatever with this hero talent. And damn, with Packleader being sucky there goes my dream of summoning a swarm of dinosaurs on my zandalari, or a pack of wolves on my worgen. Wasted opportunity.

The problems with reaver is it has alot of buff uptime. It might remind people of a certain red ability from shadowlands (Sinful brand)

Man the casters are looking nice as a ranged dps main. I've been hunter since o.g. wrath but the underwhelming hero talents are kinda Making me look at mage and lock. I have a low skill plateau and need a lot of the gameplay features bm hunter provides to dodge cascades of boss mechanics while still doing damage. Would you say any of the non-hunters seem pretty easy for staying on the move while dpsing and having a simple rotation? Or would it be best to just stick to what I know and hope for interesting updates or reworks to hunter later?

Being forced into killing spree is horrendous. Have you played with it? it's used every 20-30s and every single time you're gambling with eating frontals.

It’s crazy to see how visually appealing some talents are and some being a lackluster.

I think Hellcaller for Warlock should be A Tier. It's actually not strictly passive, because you do get the 1 min cooldown which actually has a huge impact esp. for Affliction since you are a 1 min class (Soulrot + PS Rapture windows); additionally you do get more frequent instant cast raptures.

What is the music playing in the background 8:17 ?

Which lofi beat was it that was playing in the background at 32:00?

One nerf to the demolish ability on the colossus whether in pve or one of those 50% damage nerfs in PvP will completely kill that hero talent tree.

For the love of all that is holy THANK you ive been waiting for a hero talent FUN list nor stupid irrelevant teir lists based off beta/alpha numbers subbing for bringing the goods

Any chance to do this with tanks instead? :)

Background music is from Star Wars, right?

I wonder if you took the Legion development time and final product and compared that with the TWW development time and final product how they would compare. I feel like Legion basically hit it out the park, and TWW is just hitting it past the pitchers mound for me.

rogue one of the original classes, playing past 15yrs on the one class... rogues always get shaffted by bliz...

Looking for a new spellcaster to play; definitely not the fat bird. Boomkin looks boring. I can just hear sounds like "pew, pew, pew..." and that's it. Thanks for the ranking; this was pretty helpful!

"Wildstalker have nothing to do with Feral --> last place". Wildstalker have a lot to do with Druids und push the Dots to the limit. If it wont be nerfed to the ground i'll wait at the Finishline of the dmg meter for everyone who will come after me and serve some drinks.

For Windwalker having another cooldown and having it be channeled definitely feels a little weird. It throws off the flow of the spec every 1:30. But the animation is cool so that kind of makes up for it. The effects from the channel are great. The synergies are plentiful. The only other spec I can think of that has even more synergies and flows so well is Fire mage. Even better than Windwalker so far. I may be switching mains to Fire mage.

I was looking forward to Dark Ranger as a Hunter Main... Now I'm just sad... Hopefully there will be some changes cuz from what I hear, it's disliked by a lot of people.

They should have made the new talent BM has that summons a legendary animal be yhe pack leader ability and dark ranger should be MM and Survival...

I have no idea why everyone hates Aug, I love it I personally would love if they decided to bring more support classes in, I like that "4th pillar" instead of Tank/Healer/Dps Add support as well, debuffing enemies, buffing allies. I personally dont play Aug because I mainly tank and not a fan of Dracthyr :P However, I love Aug and want more support specs! P.S. The fantasy for Herald of the Sun is so cool, the lore--- and the fact that one of the talents specifically mention Tauren Paladins with "Blessing of An'she" being the Sun, while Elune is the Moon makes it that much more cooler. Really enjoyed the video, been with ya since dragonflight started. Keep up the great work bud!

really hope lock aff is a valuable raid and M+ spec finally

Totemic is honestly too convoluted. I'm an enhancement slut for years now who raids/M+ at a solid enough level and I can say that having to baby a totem and grab sundering again is just adding too much bloat rotationally as well as dropping some very strong passive talents. I know I personally am going storm with stormbringer for TWW and won't be touching Totemic until they address the amount of bloat added. It's great for Resto, but it's a big miss for Enhancement. Great video!

They can literally fix deathstalker by making it apply mark from garrote and tuning it right. Thats ALL they need, but ask me if they will do it 🙃

Archon let me to beleive it would d3 archon like and focused around voidform and enhancing that, so while halo defo does good dmg and the extra haste from pi is nice, it just feels so underwhelming to play.

Worried about the druid hero talent trees being under tuned. 😳

I think you are a bit bias on the pet stuff, personally I don't like any abilities where you press a button, shiny pet comes out for x amount of time, then disappears.

Dh nerfed?

Rogue needs god

i will play arms warrior as slayer

Bruh that area @ 00:59 is basically the same as Necrotic Wake, back in shadowlands lol before the dragon boss

I like the hunter stuff mb😅

"Arrows are hard to make it appealing" Meanwhile ffxiv bards

I base my hero talent rankings on s3x appeal.

WoW... Rogue needs help somthing so simple to fix, but only idiots are in charge

Shadopan is by far the worst... so out of sync... feels terrible to track and set up this is almost impossible...

I liked mindbender. Lol

Rogues and Hunters are in an awful state. I can’t believe Blizzard is just gonna release the new expac with some many hero talent specs, the keystone feature of the expac, in such a substandard state

6:30 AYOOOO????????

Bro put stormbringer in A tier 💀

lolol. totemic in b tier is wild. that shit is physical dmg and makes noooo sense for the talent build it wants us to go into. bottom of c tier at best

It's another caster meta😂

everyone knows tier lists are bullshit and just viewer bait. play what the fuck you want.

This video needs timestamps

I really don't believe any hero talent will be the worst. Any good player can make it work regardless of the design or what not

druids absolutely stink

1h video from Vesperal? Count me in man. About hero talents; I believe, blizz being lazy. Most of them still boring.

Blizzard pest compani actuallyment And pest rework And bigg pest work clases in tww

this guy hates Dh for reall, he never puts the game play of it in his videos ever

Even god cant help rogue 45 days from the launch

Rogue is in shambles....

Unpopular opinion: Aug is an amazing specc, and i'd much rather have it be meta, than ANY other specc in the game, simply because it shines by letting its teammates shine brighter. It's amazing, an regardless if i dps or tank, i love to have an aug in the party, (and tbh, i have yet to meet anyone who doesnt like to party with an aug). i think the hate is just the latest echochamber bitching of the community. Appreciate the video and insight immensely!

Lighting shaman build tier A hahahahaha

No one ever wants to comment on frost mage lol. Makes me so sad.

A semen demon that comes on the back of you 😅

Sigh at being forced to use wake of ashes, idk just never rly liked it.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rr1yYMJh2ZjMmI0.html "should be Death from above" Completely agree with you. How, by the love of god Death from above its not there, im waiting since Legion to play subtlety fun again but noooooooo. Its just terrible boring design.

Base an entire xpac around this talents, 70% of them are boring

idk what this ranking is based on, but hellcaller >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabolist diabolist doesn't have an identity, it's bad for st, bad for aoe, ruination has target cap, the demons aren't that good, infernal bolt cast time is too long... meanwhile wither just shits on everything and works better with both cataclysm and inferno

I really dislike Hero Talents in general because it feels like a half-baked idea and a lazy way of implementing some of the most highly-requested specs into the game. Blizz really should've just taken the time to flesh these out -- make them all unique, visually stunning, and impactful, and roll them out as full-blown new specs.

bald xdd

Hate hunters much dude

You’ve got to be joking my ass!! Why are all the hunter and Druid talents so weak??? Those were both my mains and I wanted to play them in TWW but honestly I’m gonna cancel my pre order! Oh just because BM and Boomy are the hardest ranged specs in the game we have to get weak hero talents? Absolutely fuming tbh. This is nothing against you Vesperal your video was perfect as per usual, but I’m so bloody angry at Blizzard right now!!

Hot take 4 horseman is lazy design and an easy route blitz took. And frost Dk is turbo boring with death bringer.