I had a similar experience, but I pushed a little into mythic pugs (and as UHDK). Glad to see someone here shares a similarity

I am fine if it was a end of Expansion gimmik. I love how corruption was breaking the game. For me that would be un-fun mid expansion. But at the end, its like a send off and just being silly.

It really isn't. They really underestimated how strong corruptions would be and how much they ended up breaking the game and balance

@@KyhronLunathat was literally the fun part, why wouldnt we be jacked up gods when were fighting a fucking old god? As a pvper tho vers stack corruptions were so obnoxious

what do you mean? are you a newer player? and if yes, what do you think about the game?^^

​@@hasany.9095from the phrasing the guy is either a new player and or someone who simply disagrees with the video But I think on the contrary that he's the disconnected one or simply lacks objective vision / thinking. At least when looking at BFA and DF patches I agree with mots of what was said, and I wasn't there during SL.

And yet diehard players still play the game

@@Kemyo0 So the guy is disconnected because he doesn't agree with your favorite streamer. Didn't even insult the game World of Warcraft fans proving they're still the worst people ever

​@@CrowYaegeryou didn't play many games if you think wow players are the worst 😂

Legion was really good throughout if you weren't in the top couple hundred mythic raiding. But for the others, yeah, which is the worst because it took a year and a half of shit to get there, and if you join at least patch the catchup grind is rough so not as good experience as those who played through. For example, last patch bfa with the Visions and corruption and essences was really cool and super fun, but for people joining then they had the artifact grind (islands), warfronts, the rares in the 2 revamped zones, mythic plus for good azerite gear, then you catch up to last patch and wont die fighting the nzoth zones so you grind that, now there's the essences which might involve things you don't like to do and you may have a sub optimal one at level 3 but need to go out of the way for others. That shit is huge garbo on top of corruptions and Az gear being full random. And most is required for raid for mythic plus or pvp because it's all power

@@cosmicwonderer6269 Legion first patch was awful, grinding 2 hours every day to keep up on AP and having RNG Legendaries. Unable to offspec or play multiple chars. Legion also had forced raiding for tier to do m+. Titanforging/warforging being an awful mechanic that at least got capped some what in BFA. I agree with the guy you replied to really hard. All 3 follows the same pattern and Legion would have been seen a lot worse if it wasn`t released as the first of the 3 expansions. I quit legion before tomb and don`t have a lot of good things to say about that expansion (maybe later patches saved it but until the it was a rough experiance).

Legion was fucking awful in a lot of ways for a long while. It had a longer good phase than shadowlands and bfa was almost never good

@@thatepicwizardguy I would disagree with never, last 2 seasons of m+ in SL was good. And BFA had really good m+ dungeons and even raids. Systems just sucked at the start of every expansion and it never got fixed in BFA while end of SL and probably Legion was fine.

Legion was a disaster at first for everyone above LFR content. Titanforging, artifact power, random legos made the game much worse. The only reason Legion is S tier is due to the fantastic amount and quality of content added, both story and PvE, and this is mostly because WoD was cut short.

yes i hated this. Best in slot essences for PvE were PvP ones and this was cringe as fuck. I grinded arena rating to 1'800 and a lot of battlegrounds to get these rank 3's but fuck me i really don't want to PvP in order to be better at raiding. Remember MOP and people malding over having to win 2 random battlegrounds? This is 1000 times worse lol.

Depends on your class spec. Shamans just ran as resto because it was magnitudes easier due to healing rain dmg. IIRC priests had a hard time all expansion so it was hell for them.

@@myopiniondoesntmatter7068 Our Priest player loved it, especially in groups. They also had a talent for killing themselves with Shadow Word: Death, which was always good for a laugh. It was unfortunate that which class you were changed how much fun the anima powers were so much. Some classes had amazing stuff, some had stuff that was okay but boring, and some just had junk.

I’m that person who likes Torghast even now. I did all the achievements, mounts, t-mogs. Sometimes it felt repetitive but in general it was such a good feeling to progress futher and stack passives everytime. In addition I had 6 alts(diff classes) so It was exciting to do discover how other classes play it Torghast. I just dont know, it was great experience thru the all expansion.

it was shit the first time too

I didn't rly enjoy it at all.

...a weekly for DF dungeons exists, and it rewards Heroic raid loot. Also, all the OLD Dragonflight dungeons from s1 already have "a set difficulty with """""""decent""""""" loot". It's called Mythic 0. There are no other "new Dragonflight dungeons that weren't in the rotation for the season". Also, if you just want upgradable-to-441 gear from OLD DF dungeons (like in Dawn of the Infinite), then what'd be the point of the current M+ pool? The weekly from them is already just there to help shitters get gear they don't deserve from piss content.

@@Frawt dude I was talking about last season, and m0 is kinda shit. The 4 dungeons in the pool this season effectively didn’t exist last season, it would’ve been cool if there was a way to play them at a somewhat difficult level that didn’t completely fuck the loot pool, hence giving raid loot instead of dungeon loot

​@@FrawtJesus ur insufferable

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Uh... no. Legion was littered with problems and also systems that made wow awful lol it only seems awesome cuz so much of wow is fucking awful

7.0 was not just alt-unfriendly. It was straight up main-unfriendly though. 54 traits was mandatory and locked you basically to one spec, on top of legionaries

Legion was perfect. Also the early legendary system sucked only for tryhards. Personally I cleared heroic raids with pugs did some M+ and played the whole game for the story and the "casual" content. My first legendary on ele shaman came from pvp and it was the wrist for chain lightning. It wasn't BiS for anything but it was so fun in M+. The reason why Legion legendaries didn't feel bad, was that the classes were complete and the legendaries added a little spice - extra power

True. Legion was peak WoW enjoyment. Specs felt like something you were rewarded for dedicating time into.

Actually me too one of the first times since WOTLK I couldn’t put the game down

All gear is borrowed power

burrowed power also narrowed the gap between specs and made imbalances less noticeable or less cared for. with no burrowed power your power is based on your spec and how your spec synergizes with other specs to add up even more power just from that synergy. and because blizz cant balance shit we got to a situation where only a select few specs that synergize the best get to push high endgame content, because they bring the highest "burrowed power", while the majority of the playerbase will have to reroll to those specs to feel powerful enough or they will be unwanted and weak. stuff like drums and buff scrolls were also removed/gutted by blizz for whatever reason. those are good burrowed powers to have that dont force a grind so why remove them

@@azkendarken4403 *borrowed

The other thing I'd say in regards to the modern day, Dragonflight. I would say 10.1 is the weaker of the two tiers on this list, and the reason is, from a raid standard and mythic+ standard, my opinion as a MYTHIC raider, is that the raids break about even on fights. Basically side by side: Kazzara was infinitely better than eranog Amalg chamber was good, zaquali was not really anything, so about even with terros/primal council. Forgotten experiments was one of the worst fights of all time, Rashok was one of the best, whereas Sennarth was good in my opinion, kurog was good, dathea sucked. Zskarn was terrible, magmorax was just kill him and move on as max said. Echo of Nelth WOULD have been a great fight without so much weakaura dependence, still better than broodkeeper imo. Sarkareth was challenging, but fun, However, I also found raszageth insanely fun, but I would say sark was the better fight. So that gives Aberrus 5/9 bosses being above average to good, while I'd say VoTI had 4/8 fights that were also above average to good. This means they break roughly even in the fun factor of the raiding experience, by mythic standards, in my opinion. The mythic+ seasons on the other hand, were a stark difference, which is to say, Season 1 of dragonflight even with thundering, was infinitely better dungeon pool wise than Season 2. S1 had some polarizing keys like Azure Vault for instance, but Algethar academy is also a top 5 dungeon of all time. Season 2 had a way weaker pool for half the games pop of DPS, which is melee DPS, and it made virtually anyone serious about keys either swap to or confirm change to dwarf because of stoneform. Neltharus even with the chains was not a fun dungeon, Brackenhide was probably the best of that set. With all of this being said: Launch of DF til 10.1 was A tier, and 10.1 through 10.2 was easily B tier if not lower, aug has no bearing on that because it's an aspect of the game that is suffering from recency bias, but it will exist long after DF ends, and therefore counting it being added isn't fair to ranking. Sidenote: 10.2 so far, is better than both patches in my opinion because Smolderon, Tindral, Nymue, and Fyrakk exist in amirdrassil, smolderon on mythic is actually insanely fun. The dungeon pool is significantly better, more fun to run, brought back Waycrest Manor which is one of the best dungeons of all time as well, Throne of the tides is good with the rework, really the only dungeon that isn't fun rn is Rise, but otherwise, excellent season thus far, S Tier atm.

I think raiding it will only get better for you because the bosses of DF were so forgettable, I can remember more bosses from any raid since Legion than the 10.0 ones. Not even gonna talk about the final raid boss being a dracthyr in 10.1, like that was so lazy.

Wow has no lore anymore dont cry

This just sounds like you wanted the content to be over faster. Idk how "flying in and killing just one guy" is fun.

I do not enjoy filling the bar and still don’t. If I can log in and make significant progress on a series of characters in roughly 15 minutes per character then just move on to other things I enjoy either in game or real life I’m a happy camper. Spending 10 minutes or longer to fill a bar compared to just flying in and killing one bounty mob is an unenjoyable and rather inefficient way to spend my time given where I’m at with my life. Those quests should absolutely still be available for those that want to do them, but I’ll go ahead and stick with the more speedy things.

Torghast timegating, covenant restrictions, gearing was shit, the Maw was such a shit zone. To me it started like an A and it just kept getting worse and worse with the passing of the time because it lasted too damn long.

Korthia was also tiny and pretty ugly. Not being able to fly was whatever, the zone itself was just blegh imo.

Not if you had alts. Have fun doing Suramar 20 times

@@myopiniondoesntmatter7068 To be fair, that's the same with anything else. Having alts means doing repetitive content to some degree, even if catchup mechanics have improved since then.

@@oatfarls Making it brutal to keep them up to date is what kills expansions though. SL was also horrible for it due to torghast, korthia requirements etc. Legion you NEEDED alts to feel good if you got a bad lego on your main. In mythic guilds you got benched over others purely on RNG so alts were a thing much earlier than most expansions. I know guilds bar the ~top 20 didn't NEED to bench people over it, but they did cause the RWF meta filters down without understanding.

Yup S4 shadowlands was actually really fun

Zereth Mortis before flying was amazing, close to Timeless Isle imo.

Tfw when youre a brewmaster monk and ur optimal corruptions were versatility :/

BfA had some great world content, and the leveling is insane to this day. The story was flawed but the actually playing the War campaigns were fun, it really felt like a war, even as a PvE player.

Most players I know are indifferent to it, but my guild is a F&F guild that does normal to heroic raiding (our numbers usually drop to the point we can't raid before we clear heroic these days) and mid-teens m+. I think the polarisation is more a serious/high-level player thing.

Nyalotha was piss easy, I full pugged it on Mythic and I think half of the raid was one shot or 2 shot tops. I was glad that I could finally do Mythic without progressing with a guild and die 200 times on every boss. Also having 100% crit almost all the time as a BM hunter was hilarious lmao