If you used your arms on a power hack that had pulleys with cables, you could maintain tension throughout the movement evenly.

Bro if you lowered the lever arms and laid down on the bench say for bench press it would change the force curve. Also that chest machine you got doesn't give you a deep stretch it gives you way less of a stretch then even a barbell bench press

I honestly think landmines are better for the price than jammer arms

I agree that the number 1 thing is you need to enjoy doing the movement and I totally see how those two machines are probably better than levers arms, using the lever arms flat and resting on safety arms would over come the weight curve but not that issue where they converge out at the top of the movement

Great video wondering how strength curve would be if hooked to cable system that way its constant vs gravity?

I love my lever arm. Singular. Belt squats and standing calf raises are what I mostly use it for. No problem with strength curve or anything else. Chained to be able to start standing.

I was contemplating lever arms for my home gym rack. Not Titan, but Major Fitness. Seeing your opinion on it clarified my question regarding the proper motion and resistance curve. I'm gonna stick with the barbell and dumbbells.

seyeed is so underrated. I bought their belt squat and honestly worth the investment!!! Awesome videos!!!

you should of looked into the signature fitness lever arms they have a swivel so they dont make work outs awkward and straight. to get the optimal chest press you would want to lower the base to like shoulder height and use some form of stopper like a chain or weight peg.

Great explanation. So true. Also, you are not being nitpicky 𝙖𝙩 𝙖𝙡𝙡. The resistance curve basically renders these exercises useless. That machine you bought is really well priced and looks incredible. But in its absence it would still be better to spend the money on a pulley system or adjustable dumbbells rather than the lever arms.

You should have purchased our free motion swing arms. A game changer.

Wish I would have seen this video before I bought my lever arms. I totally agree. I don't ever use my lever arms. I don't like the strength curve and most exercises don't feel right. But I am also lazy and don't like spending time to set up the lever arms for different exercises. I get way more out of individual machines that I have in my gym versus lever arms.

Precisely! Strength curve is an issue. That is why - and this goes all the way back to Nautilus - machine designers work with engineers and kinesiologists to manufacture cambers that alter the strength curve appropriately throughout the lift cycle. These lever arms have absolutely no means to account for the appropriate strength curve changes that occur during their movement.

Advantageous for rotational movements for throwing sports, rotational push and such. Especially if you use just bands. IMHO.

As far as the chest press with the lever arms, you have much more leverage advantage at the top of the lift when your arms are extended then when they are down near your chest. Just consider how many times you have been able to lift heavy loads off the rack before a bench or squat, only to find that you could not move it at the bottom of the lift. This principle works EXACTLY like lifting a heavy bar off the squat rack two inches to get it free from the pins. You can easily lift FAR more those last few inches than you can at the bottom of the squat. In fact we have all experienced this in both lifts where we have easily taken it off the rack, and could not perform the movement once it hit our chest, or the bottom of the squat. There are videos after videos out there of people easily taking the bar off the cage and then failing to finish the movement. Hope this makes sense

The Diy Kaizen channel has created a solution for the lever arms and many other DIY exercises. Thanks for the video

Thanks for the tip

Can the gwmd be modified to do low decline press?

The strength curve for row and press are opposite. You want higher resistance at the lockout point on presses. There is only one row I’ve used that has a great strength curve. The Rogers pendulum row. It’s a tough design.

They’re only worth it if you have the vendettas tbh or things that make the weight curves harder

If you lowered the arms the only different in physics is that the handles close on the single machine, which is obviously more preferable but still no different to the bench press in hand positions, was it really that bad?

Do you have a link for the chest press ya bought?

What are the names of the 2 machines you use?

You're using these incorrectly, lol.

Totally agreed. I find these kinds of arms almost completely useless. It's also why I only use bands for limited applications, like physio type movements, warmups, or for adding resistance to barbell exercises, or assisting in pullups

Mikola fitness has a new jabber arms with a spider joint it has a better range of motion u can Even do chest Flys with. I had the syedee b4 I had my mikola cage

just do a regular benchp ress on lever arms instead of standing chest press

Dont have Titan I have rep but yeah rows are lame. They are great for shoulder pressing though.

Check out Matt Rosenman for his lever arm videos.

One of the best and clearest evaluations of lever arms in general and Titans (which I have...) specifically... The faults are greater than benefits... like to get rid of mine and go for the bench press machine he reviewed... Job well done ... Hope he puts out more of same good quality so the average buyers will not make same mistake due to lack of experience or knowledge... Thanks for taking time to go into detail instead of the usual white wash most reviewers give... Stay safe and enjoy the journey...

saved me 300 bucks.

you dont know how to use the lever arm

I see a lot of mistakes in there, to many specialised machines what you need in a home gym is low space multi purpose machines so you can do many exercises on each machine

Bang for buck I wonder if the powertec ( or knock offs) lever gyms are the best investment in that they cover a ton of ground. I like the small foot print of those two units though. Jammer or Lever arms alone are way overpriced imo.

What brand chest press machine is that?

Start by getting rid of Titan equipment

I'm glad for your that you got rid of those titan arms... useless in my opinion and went with a more shocking inexpensive chest press...This brand is killing it ...with the prices...

vendetta brackets fix the force curve issue

hm, besides that you are not strongest on lengthend position its great advice

You can literally manipulate the strength curves of all exercises on lever arms. Your example with rows can even be fixed with just placing the arm below the pivot point. Not a good video.

Sir, you're Not big enough to be Picky, but aside from that compliment - jk IF I were to use any "Lever Arm" attachment - It would ONLY probably be specifically for: 1) Incline Chest Press (with Bands attached at the bottom position - so there's immediate resistance) 2) Military Shoulder Press I can already tell just by looking at the Lever Arms, that it wouldn't be good for any type of Back exercise or anything else for that matter. note: If you Trained to Failure, this Information you're Providing Us wouldn't even Enter your Brain. 🧠 Note: I just thought of this: I would Install the Lever Arms on the other side of the power rack (the non-busy-side) (If you have room on that side of course) - that way, they are always there and No put-on or take-off involved

If anyone wants to buy a pair of Rep ISO Arms for the 4000 series let me know. I never use them for the exact reasons in this video. Probably the worst home gym purchase I've ever made. They look so cool in the promotional videos but the strength curve feels completely wrong. I expected it to feel like a Hammer Strength machine and it's not.

Bruh is reaching. Those arms dont even look like they arent even stable.

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I got a bunch of attachments for my rack, and I liked them. But I'm currently replacing them with machines because they just take up too much space on the rack to the point where it makes it almost impossible to use the rack for it's intended purpose, and I don't want to mess around with 120lb attachments before every workout or configuring the machine to do something else. On top of that is the strength curve thing and most of the attachments end up costing the same or more than the cheap machines. Also since it's my space, I found that I like to just leave my last lifted weights on them and it makes working out nice because everything is already set up for your next session.