It’s been years since I played the game, and after uploading the video I realized I made that mistake, although I do believe some of the water receded, but not completely. I could be wrong though

@@Mister_E_Gaming Would be interesting to revisit the Spirit Tracks map with the water level lowered back down to uncover new unique ruins from before the flood.

That makes sense too. Do you think Echoes of Wisdom will be more connected to botw and totk with the soft reboot if they are going that route? Placing it on that part of the timeline rather than the other parts?

@@Mister_E_Gaming I honestly don't think we have enough information to say for sure yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is. The thing that has me thinking they might, is the mountains to the north-east. They correspond to Mt. Hebra in Zelda 3 but they are colored in grey with a snowy climate similar to both Hebra and Mount Lanayru as they appeared in the latest games. One thing's for sure. I can't wait to play the game and find out more!

That’s very possible, but it’s weird he used a generic blue sword to fight ganon

Thank you man! I appreciate that!

I assume you have to be talking about the framed picture on my wall. I appreciate it man! 😂

indeed. balloons are cool :)

I kinda realized I goofed when I was in the late stages of editing and uploading the video for that point. It’s been quite a few years since I played spirit tracks and I guess I always assumed it was the same land, just after the water levels receded. It doesn’t really muddy the waters too much though, just kind of further solidifies it not being in that timeline. I appreciate the correction though!

That’s very possible!

I kind of realize I goofed up on that after uploading the video. It’s been a while since I played through spirit tracks. I guess I just always thought the water levels receded. Thank you for correcting me though

Yes that is true. Although certain maps do have connections with each other that are supposed to be connected, like link between worlds lining up with link to the past. I’m not exactly sure how well twilight princess and wind waker line up with ocarina of time though, even though they aren’t too far apart in the timeline

@@Mister_E_Gaming Indeed. Direct sequels that take place in the same location do tend to share base maps as is natural. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess seem to match up pretty well with Ocarina with some differences. Another thing to take into consideration is scale. To the best of my knowledge not one single map is a 1:1 representation of their fictional "reality". The one I consider closest to that is BotW/TotK since we know it was loosely based on Kyoto (IIRC) but was scaled down by half because things felt too far apart. Personally I'm hoping the next big open-air Zelda title is at least the original size they were going to use for BotW with the clock extended so the day/night cycle feels more significant.

@@TrueKoalaKnight yes. It’s like I said in the video with the four swords adventures map, where it’s a more stylized version of the map

I also noticed that there’s only been a couple iterations of him where he’s had the 2-sided trident. And since they’ve moved stuff around before with the official timeline I could definitely see them doing that. I didn’t even consider them possibly separating incarnations of Link like that

That’s what I was thinking it seemed the closest to out of all the other designs, but there are still a few differences

Well I think Vaati is described as a demon too sometimes, but not a demon king, so that adds to it. In that stained glass that creature is next to an octorok and some keese. I always assumed it was just depicting a moblin because it’s red, and Ganon/ganondorf has never been shown as a red pig form like that before. I could be wrong though

@@Mister_E_Gaming Vaati is only described as a demon, but it's important to note because if anyone can become a demon, then it's possible someone can become a demon king. But it could actually be a moblin, though. The story is about the origin of monsters, after all. But at the same time, I still think due to the sheer size of the pig in the image, that it would be more important than a moblin or anything else. I could be wrong, though.

Thank you! I appreciate the compliment and subscription!

It looks like we pretty much came to the same conclusions, so I’m glad I’m not alone in my thinking. Although some new information could come out later with the game’s release to throw all these theories out of wack

That’s the only timeline where Zelda can be playable

That’s a pretty interesting take, but it’s a cool concept! I can’t say I’ve heard that one before but it does make sense. Do you think botw and totk is representative of them coming back together?

@@Mister_E_Gaming yeah I always Considered those two games to be after the timeline repairs itself somehow.

When tears of the kingdom first came out I assumed it was the story of 10,000 years prior, but then I realized it didn’t line up with the tapestry. After I was done with my video I realized my mistake, but I appreciate the correction from you!

Makes sense 😂

I agree with the timeline placement. It seems like the most logical choice. Also, Wind Waker is such a good game! The artstyle is fantastic and still holds up today

It’s possible, but the story with Link Between Worlds makes me think it can’t happen in between

I think when I do a deeper dive into the grand timeline I think I’ll look at it from one perspective without the noncanon games, and one with the noncanon games, as long as they can fit in and don’t change the timeline. Personally I think it’s interesting that the original hyrule warriors kinda lines up as an explanation for all the different pieces of evidence from each timeline, but I’m curious as to what timeline you think botw and totk are in if you don’t think the timelines converge? I lean towards the child timeline

@@Mister_E_Gaming That sounds like a good approach. To the game's credit, Hyrule Warriors does have a good story that avoids disrupting any lore (AFAIK) and is fairly easy to include in a potential timeline. As for BotW and TotK, I'm torn between child and forgotten timelines. Either one works, but I truly believe as long as Aonuma is in charge he's never going to answer that in any definitive way. Tho, he did imply in one interview that it's definitely NOT connected to the adult timeline.

I always interpreted the game theory video not as saying "This IS canon" but rather as saying "This SHOULD be canon because if it was it would work well for explaining BOTW"

@@Articfoxgamez that’s kind of how I interpreted it too, and personally I think it would be cool if the non-canon games could fit into the timeline

This game is what’s happening in Hyrule while Link is off dreaming. That would also explain the same art style.

That wouldn’t make sense though due to Link’s awakening taking place entirely while he’s out at sea. He gets into a ship wreck, passes out and gets stuck in the dream of the Wind Fish, then wakes up, and he’s still at sea floating on some debris

@@Mister_E_Gaming or is the whole “out at sea” thing part of the dream?

So many of the Zelda designs are super similar to each other with very slight differences. I couldn’t find one that was one for one. The closest designs were the adult version in ocarina, and the oracle games, in my opinion

Yes, that’s what I said in my video! 😁

@@Mister_E_Gaming and what about Hyrule warriors

@@thomasjohnson8391 currently those are noncanon, but I did mention them in my video too!

I feel like in recent times, timelines and universes have been conflated, but they shouldn’t be. Like in the Flash tv show, they differentiate the two, as the Flash rewrote the timeline and nobody in that timeline remembered things from the previous one, but people from the parallel universes remembered stuff from the previous timeline when they were there. It gets all sorts of mixed up and confusing

​@@Mister_E_Gaming So true. Sonic Prime did great solidifying my already more science based ideas about Shatterverses, while "timeline" is a really dumb energy-from-nothing theory that a new world just pops into existence randomly, and has a copied history, that somehow FOLLOWS into both at the same time. Even a theory so dumb should just postulate two dimensions, that were identical up to a point. My idea on Zelda is that Downfall timeline really just is "the timeline" insofar fans need one to exist. OoT link was not even meant to be born and those Adult/Child timelines are ADDITIONAL spinoffs working entirely a lot like Link's awakening. As their directorial vision starts taking a lot from that conversation with Capcom staff (like the current director Fujibayashi), and from The Flight of Dragons 1987 as a crutch. It's a lot like giving Donkey Kong Country away to Western developers. Sort of paradoxically, the strong continuity with ooT related games is because THOSE are the odd ones out. It's not linear, it's parallel, when they say "might not exist". OoT Ganondorf might not exist DURING the existence of TotK Ganondorf bowing to King rauru. Wind Waker might not exist because that is parallel to Awakening. Howeve in the ACTUAL canon I rationalize they still integrated it. And that is through Ganondorf. HE DOES travel between these alterantive timelines, or sinks into Zelda's dream like Zelda was the wind Wish. OoT is Zelda's worry about the evil dark man, and doesn't ACTUALLY happen because it only exists for Link, the player. She in her premonition then has him sealed to Sacred Realm, which IS Wind Waker, the holding PLACE of Triforce. This takes place in the dragon Hoju inside the brain of Dark Dragon Ganondorf. so it's a lot like inception, Mummy Ganondorf DREAMS the world where OoT Hyrule falls to ruin by his hand, and that DREAMT Zelda, dreams that Adult timeline even happens. These are somewhat real events, because this sort of telepathy is the Godly power of Hylia to recognize, that's the root concept in "the Legend." Zelda records these events in her heart whether they "happen" or not. She is the shroedinger's cat here, in the ACTUAL meaning Shroedinger intended his metaphor. It's a direct callback to George Lucas reporting that Star Wars is the story of Princess Leia, as a reponse tot he fact that American cowboy myth that Lucas draws from comes from Akira Kurosawa's movies like Rashomon and The Sven Samurai, or perhaps it was the Magnificent Seven.

@@sboinkthelegday3892 there’s so much there that if that really were true, most fans probably wouldn’t be able to comprehend all of that. If they did go that route though it would be super interesting to have a ganondorf focused game with all of that tied into it

Why?

​@@Mister_E_Gamingbecause fortnite is a god-awful game

​@Rincewind19 so other people can't like it ? How does thay effect this video

​@@Normal-Ladit says everything about someone's opinion and tolerance for low quality. It also says that they're not worth listening to about Zelda because they have brain rot.

​@@Rincewind19Hello fellow Wizzard.

That’s very true. The main thing that makes me thinks the past section of tears of the kingdom, is strictly due to the appearance of the Rito species, and they don’t exist until after the flood in wind waker

the devs did say that it is a possibility for Hyrule to be destroyed and re founded and that's what i believe to have happened

@@BinknotLink I believe that too. It’s kind of similar to Spirit Tracks where they founded New Hyrule

That’s a fair point but because of the story of the Rito in that timeline, the tears of the kingdom founding of hyrule seems like a re-founding many years closer to the end of the timeline, kind of similar to the founding of new hyrule in spirit tracks

@@Mister_E_Gaming Nothing in the game suggests a re-founding. It's quite clear that there was never a Hyrule before Rauru founded it.

@PenneySounds actually, the director of the game, Hidemaro Fujibayashi, suggest that it is the refounding and gives credence to that theory

@@Mister_E_Gaming Then how is there a sage in OOT named after that founding king?

How do you know King Rauru wasn’t actually named after the sage?

What’s terrible about it?

yeah according to the fallen timeline anytime link dies in a game a new timeline would be created

@@BinknotLink Nintendo never said that Link was killed in that fight, just defeated and because of Link´s defeat we know that Ganondorf got the full Tri-force which would differ from the other two splits.

@@Ahouro I don't know how many times I've pointed that out, but people keep saying he dies. Regardless, it's still arbitrary and doesn't reflect anything that actually happens in the game. Especially since there are still at least 3 points at which they had a opportunity for better explanations. 1 - Skyward Sword has an untapped split due to time travel shenanigans. 2 - Minish Cap has an actual canonical "bad ending" event if you don't reach the last boss in time to save Zelda. Not as clear cut, but at least it ties to a solid game over screen. 3 - Ocarina of Time has exactly 1 point at which you must travel back to Link's Childhood in order to progress in the game. It isn't as solid, but it at least corresponds to something every player MUST do to finish the game. However it's almost as sloppy as "Link is defeated" since it implied that every time you travel back and forth through time, a new timeline is created where the Hero is gone. BONUS - Since Zelda II has a canonical "Game Over" screen where Link fails to stop Ganon from being resurrected, there's an opportunity there for Nintendo to do another timeline split. But again it's a sloppy one.

Personally I think the style has grown on me. Do you think a hd-2d style would’ve been better? With dx being a Gameboy game it might’ve not translated over well to the switch unless they beefed up the art a little bit, although I do love links awakening dx