God, I wish you were right 😢About the existing part. I absolutely agree that he embodied that role!

She'll be glad to hear that, she's standing right outside the door. *THUMP* OW! Margeret IS hilarious.

She really is wonderful...

Honestly, a character that wasn’t used as much as she should’ve been absolutely fantastic character played by fantastic actress

Spoken like a true man from Chicago.

He took a bullet for Leo because he was willing to take a bullet for Leo. Leo never wanted him to do it, didn't encourage him to do it, and actively opposed him doing it.

I think the point of the episode is that by the end of it he ended up accepting the censure because he admitted to himself he was in the wrong. I'm sure Abby and Leo being able to avoid the humiliation and character assassination public hearings would have brought was a strong motivator but that final scene with Jed and Leo in the Oval was meant to be his honest admittance of wrongdoing and wanting to take accountability.

@@2Boo_ Exactly. It took him a long time to get there, and a lot of struggling with pride and ego. In the end, though, Jed faced up to the face that it was his fault. Leo and the staff were suffering for the sake of their love and loyalty to him, and it was on him to own up and take responsibility.

Well, the american system allows for a censure as an act of Congress. However, an Act of Congress requires the signature of the president to become official. So a president can simply "veto" any censure vote by the House. And why would any president not veto something politically damaging ike that?

Leo was completely wrong. There have been about a dozen Presidents who were censured. This scene was more about the Clinton censure, which was the first trivial censure for something that wasn't a crime that was done just for political reasons.

@@PeterSedesse "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story" -Mark Twain

@@PeterSedesse The whole thing was stupid and overblown but perjury is a crime. Also the Clinton censure failed to pass.

@@TheAtkey if 'perjury' you mean the debate between if a BJ is sex or not. He said he did not have sex with that woman. It is a fair case to be made that he didn't consider a BJ as sex.

Absolutely!

There's no such thing. We can celebrate this show without tearing down all the others.

@@strategicsage7694 , i 'tore down' nothing. i merely elevated TWW

@@googoo-gjoob You made a comparison. That inherently tears down every other show. Merely elevating TWW would be saying something like 'TWW is fantastic'. The term 'greatest' means nothing except in comparison with others.

@@strategicsage7694 , tearing down others would name them explicitly and speak of them in a derogatory fashion.

With the ex-president inciting a treasonous coup, they should have expected any and everything.

@@llchapman1234- LOL

Capitol police. Spelling can change the meaning.

Did any reasonable person expect it?

He is a politician, you know It does come with the territory

To Leo, none of that matters. First, it is his job to take the bullet for the President. Second, Leo's love and loyalty to Jed is unwavering. It broke his heart to have to accept the President's decision, regardless of it was wrong or right.

Leo would have literally taken a bullet for his best friend. He knew if he took that offer to him that Jed would consider it as he loves him as a brother. Leo did die for Jed. The job killed him, let's not pretend otherwise. But as his daughter Mallory said to CJ at the end, "Dad loved every minute in this place."

I don't. Which president are you talking about

When? Oh, I googled. Presidents accept blame sorry, and some came up. Modern Presidents, nothing earlier was listed.

Like when Reagan said he didn't remember?

You must be the oldest man alive. 200+?

Criminal? Way melodramatic and stup-id

Not exactly, but I understand the anger. That series of episodes was the Carter administration. Many (if not all) West Wing episodes were pulls from various IRL presidencies. Josh and the President getting shot was Reagan for example, and the fallout between Leo and Jed was Carter (his Peace in the Middle East attempt) and Carter's CoS (and 5 cabinet members) resigning.

It was an omission by President Bartlet, not a lie. Zoey lied and Abby lied, (jointly) when they filled out and signed Zoey's college admission papers, but Jed didn't lie. Omissions are something that should be disclosed but are not in order to prevent lying.

@@MarkLewis... That is a very Jordan Peterson way of not admitting that he lied. It was a lie by omission, and he knew it as he was doing it.

@@meej33 I don't care for JP so that's not true (thus you lied, because what you said was untrue) and there's no such thing as a lie of omission... it's a made-up literary device. a lie is a lie, and an omission is an omission... they're 2 different things but believe whatever you like.

@@MarkLewis... From another of my favorite tv characters, Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "...a lie of omission is still a lie."

@@BrianRP1209 Lol... I knew someone was going to quote that, one of my favs too... Picard's wrong (proof at the end of post) and TV shows lie to us all the time, he was just trying to get Wesley to rat on his friends, because JLP is always perfect and pushed Wesley to be the same impossible standard. There's no such thing as a lie of omission... we omit things, (sometimes to protect ourselves, and sometimes to spare the feelings of others) but we omit things so we don't lie. Here's proof back from Star Trek VI Undiscovered Country... Spock, when asked by Lt. Valeris "A lie?" Spock correctively replied: "An omission." Later, in bitter irony and coincidence, when Spock angrily asks Lt. Valeris: "A lie?!' she correctively and sarcastically responds: "An omission." Picard is NOT breaking Vulcan logic. Lol