I THINK I GOT IT! Fixing the 1650 clutch eater.

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11 ай бұрын

I think I found out what was going on with Alan's 1650 and why it keeps breaking the clutch. So that means it is time to go back together. Will it move? Even more important, will it stop? Keep watching to find out
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@kylechrist 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing what you found Chris, I have the same homemade guide pins (bolt with the head cut off) but I cut a slot in them with an angle grinder so they can removed with a flat screw driver. These pins also come in handy when doing heads as it keeps the gasket from smearing on engines that do not use head studs

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

That's a great idea! Thanks Kyle.

@michaelhalfman9844 11 ай бұрын

i respect a mechanic that looks for the root of the problem and is not afraid to accept responsibility.

@kennethbrewer1743 11 ай бұрын

MR Oliver King, if she can be fixed, you can do it, thank you Chris for a good post.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@christinamoneyhan5688 11 ай бұрын

Chris, It still amazes me as to how many components of this type machine line up so precisely. Very impressive engineering. This goes for mechanical machines. Nice work on your part .👍👍👍🙏🏽✌🏻🇺🇸😎

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@arnoldalt2571 11 ай бұрын

A dab of wheel bearing grease holds those washers in place under the tractor frame.

@CoinCommunityCollectors 11 ай бұрын

We had a white 4-150 with some clutch and brake issues and it wouldn’t stop on a dime (even though the clutch has never been replaced) and the over under hydraulic system would slip occasionally. We took it to the shop and it was cheaper than I expected. Thanks for these great videos!

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

The clutch cover was $169 and is brand new. That was a no-brainer to me.

@user-zi9cr7ni8v 11 ай бұрын

To keep your engine bolt washer's in place, a little dab of grease works well.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

That's a good idea. I've done it with other things, I don't know why it didn't occur to me for this application. Thanks!

@mchl8 11 ай бұрын

Yea Chris love watching till next time.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@WisconsinOliverNut 11 ай бұрын

Nice! You got er! 💪🏻 Good job!

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Thanks. Time will tell if it is a good fix.

@nickhill3362 11 ай бұрын

Hi Chris nice job any chance of a walk round your yard where you fitted the loader and a talk about the old ploughs ect thanks

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m52Wi8J_z7GZoYE.htmlsi=gOlSOpxYaPJ36gfH Check out this video for the plows

@bigun447 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the memories. It is still hard to watch you put that chain coupler on without remembering doing them in a hog lot especially when it was 100 degrees or 10 degrees.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

My worst was a dairy feed lot that needed scarped.

@johnbender1596 11 ай бұрын

You made a good decision to replace the pressure plate. Great to see it back together! That 1650 looks and sounds good. Thanks for sharing the effort!

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

The labor alone would pay for it. Good thing I work cheap. Lolol

@jaycool7805 11 ай бұрын

As always 👍 👍

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Thanks again!

@BillTheTractorMan 11 ай бұрын

Great work Chris, I appreciate how much tips, tricks, and method your share. Now do my 770 that needs a clutch next! haha! Getting closer to putting the PTO in that Super 99 or 990? I can't recall which. I am excited to see one of them on a dyno.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

It's the Super 99. I've been busy everything else, it's slipped my mind.

@BillTheTractorMan 11 ай бұрын

@ThatOliverGuyChris I get that, that's where I am with the clutch in my 770. I keep moving it back to the back burner and forgetting it.

@Christiansback2024 11 ай бұрын

Bigger clutch and a stepped flywheel or put shims between the flywheel and pressure plate when bolting it together

@chriszenker2468 11 ай бұрын

Chris I didn't see any shims under the motor mounts to make sure the sprocket's matched Gene used very particular about that he said it helped with chain where and power shaft and clutch damage just something I remember have a good day Chris Z

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

These are lined up great as is. Generally the 16s and 15s didn't have an alignment problem because the bell housing bolts into the block. With the larger tractors the bell housing bolts to the plate on the rear of the engine, but not directly to the block. That plate is thin enough it starts letting the hydra power droop and the sprockets get out of alignment. It's my opinion that shimming can take care of that problem, but then the power shaft starts getting out of alignment. It's better to run a bolt through the frame, put a plate on top of it to spread the pressure over the bottom of the hydra power and then adjust the bolt to get them lined up. Essentially, support the hydra power to take away the sag from the steel plate on the rear of the block.

@pagrainfarmer 11 ай бұрын

Learned some tricks from this 2-parter. Thanks for the demonstration and clear explanations.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@Dan-qy1rg 11 ай бұрын

Hey Chris, I am impressed with the extent of your knowledge on all of the equipment you work on. Us farmers have to be so versatile in all aspects, sort of a jack of all trades. When you showed the part where you put the cotter pin, I didn't do that one time and had all kinds of problems with loosing the chain, which caused my wiring to get ripped apart, had to get a wiring harness, one of the high cost of a dumb mistake. Nice job, congratulations on getting it fixed. Thanks for sharing, I hope you have a nice week.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@petepeeff5807 11 ай бұрын

I changed the chain coupler on my 1850D because it was worn out loose and flopping around. The new one wouldn't stay on no matter the combination of cotter pins. 1 long 2short ,2long ,4short. The pins would ware out the cotter pins and throw the chain. Taking out the speedometer cable.I used the tractor raking hay light loads hilly KY. country. It would chatter a lot. Finally piano wire the diameter of the cotter pin . It was a bear to bend in that tight space. Been on there long enough for the chain to get tight and freeze up. I think I can finally chance another speedometer cable.

@josephherman8737 11 ай бұрын

Looks good, I did my 550 about a year ago. Ended up having to adjust lever height when I got it all together.

@darweb3417 11 ай бұрын

Another great show how it should be done video.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

@faFsman 11 ай бұрын

Well done Chris, Alan will be a happy chappy. That clutch is working perfectly. Any more of those home videos from your dad and grandad ? They were cool to watch and also how close were the next to you Oliver dealers? 🇮🇪thank you

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

I think I have uploaded all of the farm and dealership videos. There's some personal footage that isn't going to mean much to most people. The closest one to us was about 15 miles south. There was another about 25 miles northwest, and another 30 miles west. It was good Oliver country especially in the 1950s and 60s

@bigfoot4515 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for a great video and enjoy your labor day weekend! Are your beans starting to turn yellow yet?

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Mine aren't, but some in the area are just starting to.

@bigfoot4515 11 ай бұрын

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks. Just trying to gauge how long it might be until we get the long awaited harvest videos from you. 🤠

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

@@bigfoot4515 it's probably going to be the first week of October, maybe the last week of September.

@edwinhopcraft5974 11 ай бұрын

Hope you got it fixed this time around Chris.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Me too. Maybe I should take it to the Freedom Festival and try the clutch out on the pulling sled!

@edwinhopcraft5974 11 ай бұрын

Lol! Maybe you should Lol!

@carlsharp6705 11 ай бұрын

I had the same problem with my 1650 oliver. I change everything thati believe that should of been change. Two weeks later the clutch stop working. When I tore it down I discovered a stud broke. Then I give it a hard look when installing the new parts. I found there was a little play were the throw bearing rides on so I ordered a new one and put it back together. It work perfectly for around 20 years then I had to tear it back down because it was worn out

@landontesar3070 10 ай бұрын

Carl, did you have trouble finding the right combination of clutch release tube and bearing sleeve? I'm wondering what are the correct measurements, as new tube is too big for new sleeve.

@michaeljoseph9881 8 ай бұрын

Looking to get come down with the engine not much but a little bit.

@erikhinds-cy9cx 11 ай бұрын

Impressive. Do you ever use that little 44?

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Not really.

@arnoldalt2571 11 ай бұрын

Did you use a "bottoming" tap?

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Nope

@denniswilcox3093 11 ай бұрын

Go White!

@carlsharp6705 9 ай бұрын

Hi Chris. I know this is way off topic but I have rebuilt a 1650 oliver gas job with . My head was machined and when I tried to set the clearances for the valves it appeared my push rods was a little long so I shimed the rocker are assembly to get the the adjustment I need. Now for my question. I filled the radiator and I noticed a little drips of antifreeze seeping out of the head completely around the head and gasket. I'm lost did 100lbs of torque. To me it appears the head gasket isn't squished the way it should be. I'm woundering if the down pins are hold it up ,or the fire rings isn't squishing and if the blind holes for the head bolts are deep enough. Just wondering if you may of come across this problem in the past ?

@ThatOliverGuyChris 9 ай бұрын

My first thought is the sleeve protrusion is too high. That will get the fire rings crushed but the other seals won't get enough crush to seal properly. It sounds like the head has been milled a few times, I've never had to shim the rocker supports. What you said about the dowel pins may be the problem, they might be bottoming out in the holes that they go in to the head. The head bolts could be bottoming out as well. You hate to waste a gasket, but it it was mine I'd pull the head back off, check the sleeve protrusion, the dowel pin hole depth, and even thread the bolts all the way in and measure from the block deck to head of the bolt and compare that to the thickness of the head.

@carlsharp6705 8 ай бұрын

@ThatOliverGuyChris your a good man Chris. I read a thread where someone and a rebuilt oliver engine and they had the same problem. They said they let it run and it sealed itself up. So I figured it was worth a try before I tore it back down. I fired it up and to my surprise 20min or so it was done leaking. Crossing fingers it stays like that. Wow a person has to love a newly rebuilt engine. They just sound so nice

@paulkline2719 11 ай бұрын

Here's hoping that's the last time for that job for years😊

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

Fingers crossed 🤞

@darrellnichols6179 11 ай бұрын

Could you have added a washer to it?

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

To what?

@darrellnichols6179 11 ай бұрын

@@ThatOliverGuyChris the bolts that you drilled out. Ad a washer to take up bolt depth.

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

@@darrellnichols6179 then the bolt shoulder wouldn't engage the flywheel.

@49commander 11 ай бұрын

Would that had made your measurements you found off on the last one???

@ThatOliverGuyChris 11 ай бұрын

I hadn't thought of that, but it very well could have. So a double whammy of a cover that wasn't secure, and a pressure plate that wasn't grabbing evenly. That makes me think the bolt holes were the problem even more. Thanks for the input!

@49commander 11 ай бұрын

Dealing with shops that aren't used to the intricacies of Oliver Engineering makes you have to triple-check everything nowadays. When you have guys that dealt with lots of Oliver stuff they just knew what to do! It's the same thing I have to do when I have stuff done on Any Antique car that's not a Chevy or Ford but even then the pre-1955 stuff is so different you have to be extra careful! Keeping my fingers and toes crossed this one lasts for years!@@ThatOliverGuyChris