Pretty sure there is a target tolerance so that there is a fail rate so people will upgrade their cards earlier then necessary.

@@ricky4673 you could well be right.

Stuff is not made to last, it's made to cover the warranty period. After than, longetivity is actually a con for the manufacturer because selling more stuff gets harder.

@@MikkoRantalainen We are stripping the planet of valuable resources just to scam ourselves. Meanwhile the government keeps on talking about carbon bs that has little to do with the destruction of our planet or resources. We need to completely redesign our constitution as many new exploitative practices exist today that our forefathers never saw coming like medical tyranny, paid protestors, corrupted lobbying and severely corrupted political parasites.

@@ricky4673 For Nvidia it's pure and simple business and mass market bulk production (AMD as well for that matter). This means they will as often as possible try to get away with the least expenses as long as the main criteria for their core consumers are met. And they are. Them saving on pads when producing millions of cards, equals to big savings in the grand scheme. What this also does, is ensure that their business partners like EVGA, ASUS, etc can make very minor and easy upgrades and still see significant improvements, which enables them to market their products more easily without having to spend excess resources on r&d for every new generation hardware. Changing pads and addind a few better fans can easily drop temps by 15-25 degrees on average, which means they can more easily increase the power limit for overclocking, and overclocking means they can see more benefit from using higher grade memory components etc. Basically Nvidia and AMD tries to make the upgrade path as simple and efficient as possible for their business partners. After all, these are the partners that buy the vast majority of the overall graphics cards (outside of stock pc retailers). Making their partners' lives easier is essential for Nvidia. While this business approach has similar symptoms to something like planned obsolesence, it doesn't mean the outcome is the same. Most people who expect great performance and plan on maxing out their pc on a regular basis, are more likely to go for a 3rd party graphics card in the first place, like a Strix card which had the pads used in this vid.

Nice idea!

Don't forget you want about 25 - 50% compression on the thermal pads per spec.

@@RedHaloManiac95 yes, the modeling clay method is ok but it’s better to be on the thicker side rather than just perfect to provide pressure to provide maximum contact and thermal transfer and being under pressure the pads will eventually thin out slightly

Why not just put thermal paste on everything?

@@DescartesRenegade the gap is too large for thermal paste

This is the best comment.

But but, a no case IS the best case XD

Such a good bad joke lol

Lol

As Elon Musk would say, the best part is no part.

No shit. I sure hope they think about this on the new 4000 series.

Imagine people buying that poorly designed product.

It seems perfectly clear "they" want your card to die faster so you'll end up buying another sooner rather than later. Marketing tactics 101...

@@alpi8951 But that makes no sense when they sell out the instant they're in stock anyways. It's just penny pinching.

You've never bought a car? They cost even more.

Even in mass production the per-unit cost of a good thermal pad like Gelid or Fujipoly runs $20-40 for a sheet the size of trading card. Like the stuff that has similar heat transfer as thermal paste. Seriously, look for thermal pads with high conductivity on Digikey or Mouser. Using more expensive stuff would just increase the overall cost for the GPUs for not much benefit to Nvidia if it runs within spec. Yes there is a significant difference with using better pads. We’re talking about a company whose revenue is in the tens of billions every year. They’re all about the money.

@@rotor13 rather similar to how i make my sandwiches, i focus on the bread. just two slices put together and its ready to eat, no other ingrediants, sometimes i add a slither of butter as a treat. Nvidia have focused on the pcb and the cooler and neglected the ingrediant that makes them work together when charging consumers enough money they could buy a car for. regardless of how much it would cost for efficient thermal pads, it comes across half-arsed for a crucial part imo. those temps are a joke. but i suppose less life expectancy is a good thing in todays world, if you'll need to buy another card sooner. products are no longer built to last. they just managed to meet their 'in spec' requirement, despite it being a poor result and costing a few grand to consumers. i would like a little more consideration for consistant quality throughout the product when i drop that type of money.

@@rotor13 for cards that sell for over $1000 a customer would expect it to be included in the price.

they were forced to use GDDR6X memory at fast clocks just to beat AMD's Infinity Cache with GDDR6 ram. Because of that, it makes the gpu(in particular the vram) run hotter just so they can get the halo card into the market to get mindshare in purchase. Cheapening out on the thermal pads is just whatever they had in stock. It's still the cheapest RTX card.

No doubt. Card with a $1500 MSRP (and good luck finding it for *that*) and they couldn't spring an extra $10 for proper cooling.

They sell in an 80x40x2.0mm configuration. Is one of those large enough to replace all the pads for a 3080 FE?

U got a 3080 ? I ain't got a gpu u some lucky man

@@rickynetherton2823 if you're careful yes, I used a 2mm and 3mm of those sizes and padded the front and back of it. I have a photo of my pads applied I could send if that would help guide!

@@T4nm4y Would love to see this picture too. Got some 2mm Gelid on the back of my 3080 FE and temps increased by 2-3 degrees…

Same temps with Frosty thermal pd 12.8 posted earlier above but saves your wallet. For FE i bought 1.5mm and dropped my temps identical to those pads. Works even better than Gelid Ultimate which I have no idea why. I heard Gelid Ultimate is too thick or doesn’t compress.

This entire series of cards, including the fucked up voltage regulation, really deserves an antitrust lawsuit or at minimum a class action.

Out of curiosity, does AMD have this problem with their Video Cards? I want to know because it would be good for influencing what I should buy in the future.

@@linear1224 Yes, they do. Memory temps on the reference cards are ass

cuz at nvidia's assembly lines, the staff are all Jays.

The cynic in me says they did this so miners wouldn't be able to sell second hand cards and scare people who buy used from miners when these cards start failing

Shows you how remarkably easy it is for humans to understand both.

@@ericspda I for one have no clue how come they can survive so easily in 78C in the warehouse :D Tbh I need to always convert with google from retard units

@@ericspda unless you live anywhere in the planet where farenheit isn't used at all

@@krzysiekj2522 hey that's pretty insulting to liberians

@@krzysiekj2522 I get it’s the cool thing to make fun of something you don’t understand, I just don’t see why people get so angry about a slightly different unit. It shows the same information with identical accuracy and typically higher resolution. Is it really that insane to consider a reasonable outdoor temperature as 75 degrees instead of 24? It’s all arbitrary anyways, it’s not like you frequently experience your body literally freezing or boiling, so it’s a bit confusing why water at standard atmospheric pressure is considered a gold reference everything should base off. Maybe you can educate me.

Not "make the most", its just charge the most.

@@JohnA... yup. btw do you know gaming gpu before 3090 which had more than 1.5k $ cost?

@@lukaogadze5071 Off the top of my head no, but maybe one of the Titan series? But honestly I don't think any have been quite that much before. At least not MSRP.

@@JohnA... Titan V and Titan RTX have higher price than 3090 but titan series were not created for gaming.

@@JohnA... 3090 was created for gaming but it's used for mining :D

@@WarAuthority my mitutoyo digital caliper be like :)

my 3080 has 5 different thicknesses 0.5, 1,1.5, 2 and 3mm basically every single thickness you can get is on my card, thank god I found someone with the exact same card that did all the hardwork of measuring for me.

On a $1000+ GPU....

also warranty void if you fix our eff up

@@4kdragan439 Not in the US

@@NathanMc since when pretty sure as soon as you remove the pads unless you put everything back as it was you may not get your RMA accepted, depends on the party doing the RMA ofc but still that has been my experience in the past.

@@cr4zyw3ld3r In the us if they dont accept your RMA you just take them to small claims. They dont even show up to small claims since they know the laws not on their side so you win by default. Got MSI to refund me on two laptops that way.

Knowing and experiencing are certainly two different things 🤔

I done the same when I first got a 980 Ti Classified a long while back. 80c on gpu, hotspot 92, vram/vrm around 100. I still touched the backplate though... and lemme tell ya, ya DONT wanna touch that thing when its running full bore.

@@deadly_mir figured that much

@@carsonm7292 Yeah every user loves to "experience" the warmth of the gpu. Nobody touches their GPU when the pc is on lmao.

@@terencecaron2922 I did. Many times for a couple days. Then I got bored of it.

There's a sizeable amount of card's that will never have an issue too.

@@bepbep7418 not in a fairly regular lifecycle of 2-3 years. But that's not a good point to make. The cards running as hot as they do is a design flaw manufacturers can fix with literal cents.

@@noneofyourbusiness4294 but will customers buy new gen cards next year if their old cards work fine? especially today when you only need an upgrade if you're going from HD to 4K...Also it's not cents, buying a set of good pads could take $100 and more.

Exactly, it is totally unacceptable to sell cards like that, especially for what they cost. Modding should only be for those who want to exceed oem limits, it should never be necessary to do so, just to use the card under designed specs.

It's okay the one owner technical enough to do the job can just do it on the other 5 people who own 3080's as well.

Probably less $ bulk

It's on purpose. It's called planned obsolescence. The faster it overheats and breaks, the faster you'll buy a new one.

What size did you get for the 3080?

Thanks! This was really key. I was getting good results, but not what I expected, especially on Core temps. I just did this, with the same Gelid Extreme 2.0mm I used (opened and squished like 20 times in a row :( ) and it was GREAT. With undervolt to 1980@887 and +1000 on memories I was able to get almost 21k on air with the stock cooler. Paired with a 5900X on a skechy heatsink because I'm cleaning the liquid loop.

Rougher surface. Plus, one side is usually stickier (on purpose) than the other. And you want that side to be on the chips. When you apply them with your finger, you can get more air bubbles out. Then when the heat sink goes on, it's usually flat enough that it's not an issue.

and the area is probably full of vias between the layers

*WARRANTY VOID WARNING!, NVIDIA STATED REPLACING THE THERMAL PADS WILL RESULT IN ANY RMA/RETURN BEING DECLINED.* Tens of people have already been told that doing this voids you warranty, so do it at your own risk. NVIDIA used crappy greasy cheap thermal pads and sadly if you replace them you see literally 15-20 degree decreases even. But you will also void your warranty. Just letting you all know!. Be safe!.

@@yakivpopavich That depends on where you live, they can't void the warranty for opening up the card in the USA. That shit sucks balls for some countries to let them void the warranty just for opening it up and making it perform better and cooler.

@@yakivpopavich Yeah those stickers are not enforceable in Murica.

@@Apollo-Computers it makes sense because if the thermal pads potentially had something to do with the failure of the card Nvidia can't be expected to replace it because it isn't their fault that you modded it

It’s worth it my 3090 was hitting 110C after like 10 min of time spy and now it tops out at 88C

I know i feel the same way. Will probably void my warranty.

Ok, so I ran Time spy and fur mark, but my memory junction only reached a max of 96C, of course I am running stock out of the box EVGA FTW3 3080 TI. So it would seem as long as I leave at stock, I'm probably fine?

@@bowdiddly6172 yeah you are probably fine but you might be able to lower temps a little bit swapping pads and paste if you want. This problem is mostly a big deal for the Founders Edition cards. I’m not really aware of widespread issues on any of the AIB cards

If you’re on a budget and use Amazon there is a strong product to check: Frosty thermal pad 12.8. If you are on a super budget i recently bought some 6 W/mk pads in amazon from Outus store or something . Its like $10 for 30 67x20 pieces. I am not sure about the Outis ones just yet but they claim to be 6 W/mk which is still way better than stock pads. Id use those for the backs and use Frosty for the front as they are 12.8 W/mk

mamma mia !

@@32121 not even remotely joking, a card and some pressing also works....

They see me rollin' they hatiiin'

I used a piece of glass (technically a small mirror) to do the same, simply squished them down Hard to get correct height, but sometimes its all you have left

Its sad how they cheap out on high end products that people pay so much only them to save so little

*WARRANTY VOID WARNING!, NVIDIA STATED REPLACING THE THERMAL PADS WILL RESULT IN ANY RMA/RETURN BEING DECLINED.* Tens of people have already been told that doing this voids you warranty, so do it at your own risk. NVIDIA used crappy greasy cheap thermal pads and sadly if you replace them you see literally 15-20 degree decreases even. But you will also void your warranty. Just letting you all know!. Be safe!.

@@yakivpopavich that's pretty well-known fact like u take gpu apart ofc u gonna void warranty

@@yakivpopavich nobody cares

@@yakivpopavich That's a lawsuit to happen in a lot of countries.

What size?

I like to run my ranger, C230, and Accord engines on the lower end of the spec. I be sitting there on the hottest day in summer with the A/C pulling the cabin temps to ice box.

The contently replace parts in the indie car. The start of the season car and the ending system could have had multiple components replaced to keep it in top racing condition

Yeah I used 2mm Thermalrights and I had to open it back up to squish them down more. I also applied extra paste to the gpu to help contact there. Gelid Extreme were out of stock at the time but they're definitely a key part of the mod.

@@ShimmeringSword yup I did that too got 3mm and 2mm and had to squish them down to get it to touch the plate. For some reason the noctua paste just couldn’t cool it good, so I got the kryonaut one and it helped. Temps don’t go past 82 on the vram. On a really hot day it got to 86, but that was at the peak of summer and not a well ventilated room. Definitely worth it. Got the gelid ones because I thought the thermalright ones were not going to work, but I ended up just keeping them and storing them away in case I gotta replace them down the road

sounds like something people would like to see a video or pics on dont it?

uh what

Thats why its called a graphics card lol. The thing is 80 percent heat sink.

My Vega 56 is the same way lol I was so shocked when I unboxed it because the backplate only covers the PCB. The heatsink is almost literally twice as long!

I want to see some madlad make RTX 3080 ITX card, I know gigabyte makes a dual slot blower card 3090 that's only about 240mm long

@@t1995roger10 I know somebody made a little 3060, but temps should still be fine at 3080 power levels. My rule of thumb is 150W per slot at full length, as the 1070 katana is just a tad warm.

Die size is so small too. The amount of silicon is just dwarfed by cooling solutiom and power delivery

Lol

not have given to the child. 😶🙂😎😃

The huntsman was just passing🤽‍♂️🤼‍♀️🤼‍♂️🤸‍♀️🤸‍♂️🏍🏎

Set out before it gets hot😷😠😡😵🤪😳😱

Founders use 1.5 all around right or are they the nightmarish ones they use 1.5-2.0-3.0

Did somebody say something??

@@drummerdoingstuff5020 no, its one of those porn channels.

I've heard the stock fan curve is based on memory temps, so since they're lower the fans aren't pushing as hard to cool the core

And you’d now have $50 more expensive GPU prices. Good pads are expensive. Ampere runs HOT. They’re 300watt cards lol

@@rotor13 Fair point, but what's $50 on top of $1200 🤣🤣🤣

That's the ironic thing though, this time around the paste was really good. That made it even more infuriating to have to take my 3090 FE apart to replace the pads which got me a near 30 degree drop for the memory junction temperature. I used Arctic MX-5 paste for the core and it ended up around the same decent temperature of the stock paste, about 45C idle with "prefer maximum performance" on and only as high as 68C rendering and 71C gaming.

I did thermalright pads for my 3080 and they are amazing!

@@gamester0123 1.5mm pads?

@@Mangokr 1.5 is what i did and i shaved even another 10 celsius off jays memory temps. can confirm the odyssey's are god tier

@@stanleybyrd7009 Thanks, I’m gonna getting those 👍🏻

@@Mangokr Make sure the measurements are EXACT. Odyssey's dont squish as much, so people have seen hotter temps as well because they arent high enough in certain spots, or too high. Thats generally why people suggest the EXTREME as the squish factor is better. a 2mm squish will fit where a 1.6-1.7 is needed, where as 2mm Odyssey wont, and lead to higher temps/bad contact. Etc. Edited. Not ultimate. Gelid Extreme. That is the one with better squish factor.

It’s an iFixit kit, not Gigabyte! Lol

I wish Asus would once again have quality products... Any company that you can do a basic mod and see MASSIVE improvements is a company I would always second guess before considering purchasing any of their products :/

@@ihatesignupsgrrrrrrr I'm very happy to buy Asus products in the future as asus are not the only company this mod works really well on. At the end of the day the temperatures were within the spec of the memory.

i just checked on my gigabyte gaming oc 3080, and its just fine. up to 84° on memory with 66% fan, at 100% down to 76°. also core and hotspot dropped 10° when going fron 66% to 100% fan.

@@od_static what's the ambient temperature in your room like? In an air conditioned space of about 72° f my gigabyte gaming OC was hitting about 90 95C on the memory modules with the fan at about 80 90%. Yes it's technically within spec but the cooler your card stays the longer it'll last. Gigabyte is pretty known for using cheap leaky thermal pads. Yes I said leaky lol somehow their thermal pads leak oil after a while. Now under load I'm hitting around 75 85C on my memory and that's worst case scenario. It was also an excuse to put better paste on the core and that improved my temperature is another couple degrees too.

@@rocsoriano2994 currently 24-25°C Room temp. but i think i have to rerun with stock...sorry, i undervoltet to about 1995MHz@0.912V peak

@Lord Crydon What mm pads did you use? I also have a gigabyte 3080.

3080 gaming oc, had a look to under timespy and memory didn't go above 85 standard fan settings

On the memory chips. Are you kidding

it's because you got better/more heat transfer from the memories. core and vram shares the heatsink. that's why.

no, you'll only cool half the memory, the other chips will remain just as hot

Why not just park a car on your GPU?

yea and for mining you just needed to reduce power consumption and it reduced to heat enough for the cooler to maintain the memory at high performance. didn't even need to change the pads.

@@nickgordon7016 that's approach is fine with gddr6 memory, definetly not enought for gddr6X. Powerlimits affect the chip temps greatly, not the memory, especially in mining when you need to oc memory clocks.

What do you mean by "adding aluminum heatsinks?" Which ones did you use?

I understand the underlying logic your analogy, however, it is flawed. You are comparing a mechanical engine with hundreds of points of mechanical failure, each of those parts with hundreds of points of failure and under multiple different amounts of forces and stresses. GPU mining is something everyone hates, but, as multiple outlets have covered and shown, has no tangible effect on the card. GamersNexus showed that a card mining at 100% utilization for ~4 years straight versus one that was basically new in box, were performing identically to each other. Will the GPU one wear out before the other? Seems logical to assume, but there is zero evidence to suggest it to be so. Electronics are robust and the stresses they experience aren't the same as mechanical stresses. Running a normal consumer car at redline for say 10 minutes straight will blow the engine, if I run my GPU at 100% utilization for 10 minutes and it fails, it isn't my fault.

​@@johnlahey2157 100% utilization and reaching the max thermal capacity limit are not the same thing. if i run my sound equipment over 75% it's not sustainable and will overheat. similar to "boost" clock on cpu's. there's a reason why they don't just clock at that max speed they boost to. it's not sustainable.

Fuck people who mine with these cards

I recommend Grizzly brand pads. They are expensive, but work extremely well and don't get destroyed when you lift up /off a few times

Fujipoly

I've had good luck with Gelid GC Extreme

*WARRANTY VOID WARNING!, NVIDIA STATED REPLACING THE THERMAL PADS WILL RESULT IN ANY RMA/RETURN BEING DECLINED.* Tens of people have already been told that doing this voids you warranty, so do it at your own risk. NVIDIA used crappy greasy cheap thermal pads and sadly if you replace them you see literally 15-20 degree decreases even. But you will also void your warranty. Just letting you all know!. Be safe!.

@@yakivpopavich Good advice. The warranty is for 3 years which is really good for electronics.

How many cm² (or whatever unit they're measured in) do you need for such a mod? I guess warranty is voided, if you do such a mod?

squishy ones ? can you put some link where to buy ?

That would just be inferior to changing out the pads. Squishing cheap pads more will help them, but ultimately just using better pads are best. This is like saying add nitrous to an old 2003 Honda civic rather than just driving a faster car

@@daymianhogue1634 Add washers and pads, I have another comment mentioning pads. I use 2mm pads on my zotac 3080 along with washers to add mounting pressure which made a big difference ontop of adding better pads.

@@pottasiumn3231 ah my bad, this comment of yours is the only one I saw and it doesn't mention pads at all.

@@daymianhogue1634 And that analogy is terrible, by that logic it'd be better to buy a 3090 rather than try to improve temps on a 3080. You'd be buying a whole new car instead of trying to make a slow one faster. The 3080 still works just fine it's just a way to get the temps down a bit but by that logic instead just buy a whole new card that's faster.

@@daymianhogue1634 It was just something else I've tried and worked well so figured I'd mention it aswell.

Custom liquid cooling is such a small niche and a hassle even if price is no object. I probably wouldn't watch a video about a liquid-cooled backplate.

@@thedanyesful yet you watched a video about people replacing thermalpads on an air cooled 3090, which is significantly more niche than watercooling. Jay is also known for watercooling. I dont know what your deal is. But seems like you are out of your element, bud.

@@BamfhammerWow you really took that personally. Replacing thermal pads on a 3090 is maybe a $20 investment. Pretty big contrast to the cost of a liquid cooled build.

@@thedanyesful your argument literally included "if price was no object" and you are now citing price as a reason it is viable. Jay does watercooling and modding. People, like you, need to stop crapping over all ideas that might cost more than 50 bucks.

I bet you more people modded their thermal pads on 3090s and 3080s than have literally EVER built a custom liquid cooled system in all time.

Do they make plastigauge that thick?

This ^ It’s scary to see how many comments are bashing JUST the FE models lol. Newsflash, it’s ALL cards. Asus, msi, evga, you name it. They use gddr6x, and shitty pads. Mod your card if you want longevity. Period.