I turned BF rates to max and learned something profound

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00:00:00 - Let's take "rates" to the limits!
00:01:10 - Real quick: what are rates?
00:01:45 - I'll be using linear rates (no expo or curve)
00:02:33 - Easy: 300 degrees per second
00:04:03 - Weird: 100 degrees per second
00:06:21 - THE MINIMUM: 10 degrees per second
00:09:31 - I can do this: 900 dps (linear no expo!)
00:11:36 - THE MAXIMUM: 2000 degrees per second
00:13:05 - The profound thing I learned
00:13:54 - The power of expo curve!
00:18:34 - Conclusion

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@TheEviling Жыл бұрын

What i learned from this video is that rates of 100 is good for learning how to fly. And rates of 2000 is good for learning how to build quads :)

@lixxfpv Жыл бұрын

😂👌

@skatamartin4970 Жыл бұрын

@@lixxfpv the perfect comment does't exi- wait! this one right here

@Daniel-xg8el Жыл бұрын

True😂🤣

@Sir_Hubris Жыл бұрын

😂🤣🙃'build, fly, crash and repeat' hahaha briljant thought M8 ¶ ; - )

@pandrews01 Жыл бұрын

good one

@stevealbin8257 Жыл бұрын

This literally is the most informative tutorial on the impact of rates. Totally awesome. I'm going to revisit my rates.

@phildawe7172 Жыл бұрын

I like how this experimentation takes the mystery and fear out of tweaking the settings. - I used to be afraid to touch anything once I was content with my settings. This was just good ol' fun!

@tk-maker Жыл бұрын

yeah, newbie here. recently I try to set up 4 to 6 difference profile at 6 position switch. never try never know.

@rudypoirier7793 Жыл бұрын

Same Phil.

@captainthruster9484 Жыл бұрын

This is what makes this a unique hobby. Years and years into it, a KZfaq channel based around it, this guy's entire life is fpv including his income. The last 30 seconds of the video he had the most genuine joyous laugh. What other hobby can do this this far in? I'll wait

@SCFPV Жыл бұрын

Not many, if any, can compare to fpv. The range of emotions alone keeps me in it. You'll have the most joyful, intense, relaxing, frustrating, blissful, angry, nervous and awe inspiring wallet busting time of your life with fpv, with all those emotions hitting at the same time. Wouldn't trade it for anything. 😁

@ramus9 Жыл бұрын

3D RC helicopters.

@ramus9 Жыл бұрын

@@SCFPV That's what all my buddies airplane guys said about their hobby, same thing my other friends the helicopter guys said too lmao.

@overdosed51 Жыл бұрын

Ehhh... have you ever owned/worked on any classic cars? 🤣 You'll get the entire range of your emotional spectrum in the first week I promise

@ChainsawFPV Жыл бұрын

@@overdosed51 Nick you hit the nail on the head. Classic resto is one of my longest hobby (job?). 30+years now. While I have said some bad words in FPV, nothing brings out the best in a person like a broken bolt in a impossible area. Lmao

@dusti25 Жыл бұрын

i love all of your content but the videos when your out in the field making adjustments to the quad are my absolute favorite. This was such a good video!!!!!

@vizzieizzy Жыл бұрын

Honestly I think I learned more about rates with this fun video, than with one of your bench videos (no offense at all) love to see more of this style. When you see the extremes of something it helps to understand what the fine tuning can do. Great video

@zedex1226 Жыл бұрын

For real. I don't even fpv. "Just" camera drones. And learned a ton about setting up those mode switches for different use cases in cinematography applications.

@ifyoueverwondered875 Жыл бұрын

You should totally set up some races where all the best flyers race at the lowest rates lol. It would be interesting to see the different lines they take

@argyleskyfpv461 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video Josh. I cant wait to try this!!!

@Adam_Carbone Жыл бұрын

Loved this video, was genuinely fun to just sit down and watch! Appreciate the testing!

@spec4echo Жыл бұрын

JB this was a really great video. Good test of the left and right rates, and you answered something I always wondered about but never did! Keep it up!

@filippinoflipfpv1380 Жыл бұрын

Love how much you love doing this!

@greatscottfpv2420 Жыл бұрын

That was the funnest thing I've seen on KZfaq this year. Well done and great work buddy

@djovanimiok3487 Жыл бұрын

As usual in your videos I learn something !!!!!!!! Thank you for for the time and great video. You talked about rates in many of your videos, but this one is definitely the final cut.

@mattwilson1305 Жыл бұрын

I really like your content man. Thank you

@MactacFPV Жыл бұрын

This was a really fun video. Thank for sharing :)

@ericcoker8784 Жыл бұрын

This experience/experiment needs to be a "must watch" for newbies like my self. I understand scaling of throttle and expo! My helicopter experience has taught me much, but this is awesomeness!

@robinkonings1728 Жыл бұрын

Wow this made rates and expo sooooo much less complicated! Thank you JB!

@chilloutfpv991 Жыл бұрын

I know you did this video just for fun but I actually learned more about rates than any other video has ever explained it

@RCDUDEFPV Жыл бұрын

Great explanations of rates, Thumbs up

@Hahahe568 Жыл бұрын

“I don’t like linear curves at all”~Joshua Bardwell 2022😂

@TheFlyingDutchmanDronePhotogra 27 күн бұрын

I’ve just gotten into FPV and absolutely love your videos, especially your Learn to Fly an FPV Drone! Thank you Joshua!

@P8FPV Жыл бұрын

This was a brilliant video showing what rates and expo do 😁👍🤙

@armandrone9016 Жыл бұрын

That was really cool, I laughed a lot here. Your reactions were very real and fun, I loved it!!!!

@tylerelliottFPV Жыл бұрын

This was a fun video. Much appreciated.

@zfpv7211 Жыл бұрын

This is surprisingly fascinating. I have never thought about testing the extremes 😂

@RCRitterFPV Жыл бұрын

Good stuff, enjoyed watching you learn :)

@babyzeefpv9887 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for teaching me about rates Joel

@dystopiannoise6782 Жыл бұрын

Awesome idea and video!

@sammarple9443 Жыл бұрын

Loved the video a very learning experience

@BenadrylBillFPV Жыл бұрын

I think I've watched this video 10 times in the last month! Love ya JB

@615thAeroSquadron Жыл бұрын

Thanks Josh..I have had a blast changing from one rate to another....Its actually made my quad even more fun to mess with. Now I must charge ALL my batteries up...fun stuff

@IanBeaty Жыл бұрын

This is definitely one of the best Bardwell videos I have seen, and I have seen a lot! And I definitely learned something from it!

@leodfpv4628 Жыл бұрын

Loved it bro that was awesome 😎

@NikCification Жыл бұрын

I subbed man! You seem like a very cool, nice, humble guy! Look forward to watching more of your videos. I actually plan to buy a DJI FPV drone at the end of the month! Very much looking forward to it.

@Raven187FPV Жыл бұрын

max rates! max fun!

@stupiduser6646 Жыл бұрын

I’m flying FPV for customers and this was the exact lesson I needed. Flying indoors cinematic this is excellent information.

@cyberoverkill5844 Жыл бұрын

Good vid, lots of chuckles had

@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын

The beginning of the video made me remember the first time I tried to fly (in LiftOff, of course, you always need to start in a simulator). I just crashed, and again, and again, and again... And I just couldn't stop laughing! 😂 Thanks, Joshua!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@johncarold Жыл бұрын

Hi Josh Great video on your BF rates. I just have never played with my rates, but I need to start learning how. I just fly with what the quad came with. The Mother-in-law house is looking great. LOL Thanks again for the video and information.

@koltongrundy2639 Жыл бұрын

I need to see 2000 degrees per second LOS!! 😵‍💫😂

@dominicpsn Жыл бұрын

i did the same thing before in Liftoff with the max/min rates out of boredom and for laughs. but this is great to see in real life, i was always curious how accurate it would be..and its pretty accurate to the sim. thanks for taking the risks 🙃

@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын

You know, Joshua, it's going to be interesting a month from now... To see how this experience changed your rates!

@fpvgivy 2 ай бұрын

Great Video!

@justfly7730 Жыл бұрын

Best video I ve watched for a long time.

@GrimSpeedFPV Жыл бұрын

This was cool!

@tk-maker Жыл бұрын

this is the best test ever with lots of fun

@RandomMiscShit Жыл бұрын

And this video has taught me more about rates than any other video

@elishahodgson1635 Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I did 6 years ago in the freerider sim to figure out which rates I wanted. I ended up settling around 1100deg/sec and never looked back!

@kloudfpv Жыл бұрын

bwahaha, i was dyeing when you dropped the rates super low! great F*%king video Bardwell!

@rudypoirier7793 Жыл бұрын

Hey Josh, even an ole gizzer like myself can learn about rates when You demonstrate them in a video like this one. Don’t let this compliment mess with the rates in Your head, but,,,,,man Your Good! Lol Blessings Joshua,,,Rudy 👍👋🇨🇦

@jeromeassauw6147 Ай бұрын

Definitely Learned Something today 🙌👍

@somerandom3247 Жыл бұрын

this video really shows off your skill. I have given different rates a go and crash out a lot.

@RakishRc Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Fun and experimental. I'll try and play with the rates to get my hglrc Veyron 30 cinewhoop fly better hopefully 👍

@slaughtercarterfpv1336 Жыл бұрын

Each day I learn a little bit more about this hobby

@sunshynff Жыл бұрын

Great video!! Not only was it entertaining but it gave me a great tip. I just finished my first 6" build, it's main use will be a chase quad, we have a small midget class track nearby, but I also film local downhill long board skaters a couple times a year at competitions and for fun. Was trying to decide what rates would be good to use, but after seeing this, I won't be afraid to tune it down way lower than I would have before. I mean there's turns in down hill skating, but it's not like an F1 track, it's pretty straight with casual curves. Thanks again!

@JoshuaBardwell Жыл бұрын

Bear in mind, the faster the quad is going, the faster you need to be able to turn, if only to suddenly slow down or swerve to avoid a crash. I'd always want to give myself maybe 500 dps at full stick for emergencies even if center stick was much lower.

@gus8378 Жыл бұрын

I use a low rates mode on an AUX channel to land precisely

@TheVeganarchism Жыл бұрын

Any chance of a tutorial? That sounds like a great idea.

@gus8378 Жыл бұрын

@@TheVeganarchism These are my rates and switches setup. Acro Mode: Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s Roll 0.50 |0.71 |0.20 |345 Pitch 0.60 |0.71 |0.20 |414 Yaw 1.30 |0.32 |0.15 |382 Landing Mode: Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s Roll 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Pitch 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Yaw 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Throttle limit (scale): 60% Throttle middle point: 0.7 Throttle expo: 0.5 Air mode: off The Yaw on the landing mode is the same as pitch and roll, but it feels much more reduced than the others compared to our usual Acro mode rates. That is meant to provide more control and stability, and it's better to line up the quad with the place you want to land while still in acro mode, before activating this landing mode. Also notice that there is a 60% throttle scale, also to provide more precision and altitude control, so you have to quickly move the throttle up a little bit as you activate this mode. You also have to tune the throttle MID point to match the throttle needed to hover, as this is different in every quad. Turning Air Mode off on Landing mode is so that it won't bounce off the surface you're landing on. This way you can just reduce the throttle to land, instead of having to disarm before you touch down like we do on Acro mode. It takes a bit of practice to get used to it, but not much. You can see some examples of me landing on my car roof at the end of my GEPRC Phantom videos on my youtube account. (There is a Bardwell video explaining how to set up different rates profiles on AUX switches)

@TheVeganarchism Жыл бұрын

@@gus8378 Thank you so much!

@cantigas1990 Жыл бұрын

That's why I pay internet! Man your laught was so nice and happy 😁. Nice vid mate really funny to see... I don't even fell the time passing by.

@ReggieRailSystems Жыл бұрын

Kemosabe, you know, I learned some interesting changes to incorporate in my dual camera Andy Shen Geyser Camera drone. Turning my rates much lower than I thought anyone would sensibly go actually made some inside building shots far better than my mini whoops for indoor use. Yea, I learned something here big time.

@scu-dub Жыл бұрын

I'm just super impressed that you were even able to straighten the quad back out with the high rates lmao🤣 I would've been rolling left and right all the way to the ground 😂

@Sir_Hubris Жыл бұрын

I ♥ low rates and low (0) expo... and yes for cinematic filming! ¶ ; - ) great video JB!

@CLMcrawlers Жыл бұрын

Nice experiment...👍🏻

@wlajanek Жыл бұрын

Dziękujemy.

@jesselopezdrones4396 Жыл бұрын

I gotta try this very interesting outcomes. 🤔

@FlyZoneFpv Жыл бұрын

😂😂Good one JB 👊🏻👊🏻

@KCQuadTronX Жыл бұрын

god i love it i cant quit watching

@georgeaura Жыл бұрын

Ok that was awesome

@notsure1502 Жыл бұрын

Elbow rates in 22 like its a new thing

@donh7654 Жыл бұрын

Joshua, awesome as always! This is really good for beginners, to know how to dial in the rates on their first drone and also on a simulator. I really don't know why the simulators don't have a beginner set up after angle mode. Also having a mix with the yaw and roll. Then slowly reduce the mix when the beginners get more proficient. Getting time on the sticks is so important. I'm just learning to fly drones. But I've been flying DC planes for many years and you don't put a beginner in a 3d flier. Just doesn't work.

@GoochiFPV Жыл бұрын

Basically Skitzo's old rates at the end haha!

@mohamadkatmawi8015 Жыл бұрын

The laughs at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 just pure joy 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@brianbutcher7409 Жыл бұрын

The Low rates created a super cinematic effect on the video, smooth transitions are pleasing to the eye, could be useful technique for CineWhoop pilots to consider.

@Flumphinator Жыл бұрын

And today, sbang was born.

@DaSkatesta 7 ай бұрын

Youre like the VSauce of FPV lol! Thanks for the info!

@James-ch7un Жыл бұрын

Defiantly learned something. Very good video of how rates control the quad without me just banging some numbers in and crashing.

@TheDro Жыл бұрын

haha loved the new challenge of slow rates. they should make a slow race for drones like ive seen with motorcycles.

@ZorrotorFPV Жыл бұрын

Watching Joshua Bardwell laughing made my day :)

@karl244 Жыл бұрын

9:30 Only works with calm conditions. If there’s some wind you need a certain amount of control.

@kevinanderson1096 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this tutorial on beta flight. I am just learning this but now understand rates. Lol you got me laughing

@LourieJacobs79 Жыл бұрын

Stress testing that battery strap with G's!

@Charlie_Waffles Жыл бұрын

Quality content 😂👍 so fun to watch… ^^ so 2000deg/s looks a bit like Mr. steeles Style of flying 😂

@MrNitro468 Жыл бұрын

Great video Joshua! Glad to see you got some goats. What breed? We have French alpines

@jianliu9420 Жыл бұрын

This video saved me tons of testing and better understanding of those rates. What is your rc smoothing, 30, 100?

@radholm2628 Жыл бұрын

Nice experiment! Do you have a video where you build and fly those wood obstacles in the meadow?

@doccock100 Жыл бұрын

There is a discussion in a live stream about him getting some dude to build it out of old fence wood. There is a video showing him flying them, you'll have to search through... its in the last 6 months

@jakepickett3685 Жыл бұрын

That's great for science probably the only person to do this on purpose

@Sebastian_992 Жыл бұрын

Hey Joshua, Can you maybe make a video on „how to find your custom rates?“

@Gosuminer Жыл бұрын

For years I've flown rates that aren't too far off your 300/2000 experiment, mine are 300/1440 and it is totally possible to nail 360° snap rolls/flips with a little practice. Very low rates are a valid choice if you don't intend to ever go upside down ("Mavic mode") but you would have to combine this with throttle expo (or Lidar support) to help with height control for smooth footage.

@FastSloW-qt8xf Жыл бұрын

Haha i run stock 670 on everything and it flips and rolls just fine right off the ground. To fast of rates id think wouldnt look to nice on camera.

@wesley4713 Жыл бұрын

Ok but can you put your rates on a dial so you can change them in flight? Not sure why’d you want that but.. can you? 🍻

@contouraerials Жыл бұрын

I see that disc wok on the wall! got any bardwell family recipes?

@lambo_drives Жыл бұрын

wonder what maxair420 rates are? thing that make me think hmmm.... thanks for playing, Joshua

@SunriseWaterMedia Жыл бұрын

As Max would say, "rates suck!" Lol

@lambo_drives Жыл бұрын

@@SunriseWaterMedia 🤣 i's just bein' punny, you's just bein funny

@JoshDisher Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad I discovered this hobby at a time in my life where I can afford to keep breaking stuff... (I'm finally flying 100% in acro and feeling comfortable flying proximity anywhere there aren't moving people) I'm super stoked at my current ability, but I've destroyed SO MUCH STUFF to get here! I actually have several "cringe" moments that even now scare the shit out of me! The worst of the worst was when I created my own parallel charging setup for 3x 1500mah 4s batteries... Thank God they caught fire right away instead of 10 min later when I was planning on going upstairs 😅

@astro.sergiu Жыл бұрын

@JB How did you get those 3D sticks to show up on the screen? That is awesome, maybe make a quick video on it? 🙂

@airgunningcolorado78 Жыл бұрын

I've ran a quad with expo and maxed to 2000degrees/s. Double rolls a few feet off the ground and sketchy. Theoretically if you are typically at 900/1000 and move to 2000 and keep your same timing on tricks they will all be double. Yaws spins flips and rolls look crazy 🤪

@Shauny_D Жыл бұрын

I keep way less expo for racing close to linear. For cinematic tons of expo and for freestyle right in the middle. It would be interesting to see. your thoughts on crazy high pitch and yaw but much slower yaw and vise versa.

@eddycurrent413 Жыл бұрын

good one bud

@SteveCEvans Жыл бұрын

Impressed at how little bounce back you got at 2000 deg/sec. Maybe this is a valid tuning step? Would be interesting to see the logs.

@kibbycabbit Жыл бұрын

Haha I can’t stop laughing. I mistakenly set mine and got myself triple barrel roll in less than half a quarter second. I really enjoy seeing JB experiencing it. 😂

@pacificnorthwestpilots6050 Жыл бұрын

What a great thumbnail 👌

@Bluesmurfpilot 11 ай бұрын

Sure, interesting, educational, learned something new, but the JB laughter though, priceless.

@survivealiveofficial4056 Жыл бұрын

I like my rates up near 900 with 60% on my expo...gives me the response I want for freestyle, and the smoothness for cruising.

@mattwarner1710 Жыл бұрын

Where was the Yaw at 2000? That is where I always found my rates fall apart with increase. Huge elevation spikes. Really enjoyed the video, great fun investigation.